Metallica at present?

[Axl_Rose]

I think the majority of us here were pretty disapointed with St Anger. Just wondered how you guys feel, anyone been to see them? Does there set include a lot of St Anger?

[Slasher]

Saw em at Rock am Ring just after Anger was released, ony played 2 songs off it. Still not up to their old standard though. Not inpressed at all.

[Death55]

There hopeless. They have decided to go along with the other mainstream crap now and apparently kirk can hardly play any of his solo's he used to play.

[Axl_Rose]

Well I saw em do like a 5 or 6 song set for a UK tv show. The two that were off st anger bored the crowed. When songs like sad but true n fuel the crowd went wild. I think in a couple of years time in an interview youl hear the guys in metallica confess that st anger was a bad idea.

[The Ace]

Yuck - that's my new word for metallica now. They wrecked themselves. I blame Hetfield.

[Slasher]

Here Here.... Hetfield shudda kept on drinkin.

[Distorted1one]

Yeah metallica's changed their music by tunning down and suff like that but there trying to fit in and make music for the kids today to listen to. You cant just say they lost it, Kirk can still break necks with his solos, and james can throw down a super fast rythm. Now new musicians today are throwing in solos, and if thats what everybody wants then thats what Metallica will give. My point is over 20 years and still rocking out your gonna change thats the way it is. There still kick ass!

[iiholly]

Not all kids listen to crappy music! I for one, do not.

[The Ace]

The problem is that the only reason hammett isn't doing solos is cuz the band wants to be popular. Screw that, I'm gonna go listen to Ozzy - Zakk vowed that no one would make him stop soloing.

[Axl_Rose]

Hmm you gota think about it logically... I mean as a band of metallicas stature they new that no matter how good the album was or what it sounded like it was gona be big.. so I dont believe popularity is the reason it sounds how it does. I mean they must have known or no no that its alienated most of there fans.

So why does it sound like it does? I think really when you hear lars talk about how theyve done the monster solos and massive drum fills n big heavy riffs you get the answer.

Its so obvious they ran outa ideas. Arent all there songs in Em anyway? Theyve done the racing speed riffs n done the clean sounding ballads. I think they just ran outa ideas.
Well have to see what there next album is like i guess.

[sambob]

My theory with Hammet is...

After 20 years he's tired of the same three boring licks!

But he doesn't have the brains to figure out anymore.

[throbbingood]

My opinion on this one ...

I loved Metallica. I grew up living and breathing Metallica.

Now I do not, since I bought (and took back) garge days revisited. St Anger I ripped and promptly broke the cd in half. It sounded to me as if each song started progressed to another tune and another and another then the next track came on. I liked on riff and then it broke into something I wasnt fond of. Each song was 4-8minutes of what should of been broken down into an album. There was too many changes in each track for me to enjoy them.

I look at the band now and see nothing what I saw when I was younger. No longer do I see this crazy dane and a mean Singer. No longer do I see an ace guitar soloist or a crazy undercutted bass player.

I see a few old guys, a freak faced bass player and a worn out hammet. Im not knocking there ability to play its the way they play it that knocks my nuts.

Just personal opinion mind ... could be utter rubbish :)

[Axl_Rose]

I feel your pain man. I got into Aerosmith in 93 when they peaked in there popularity. They were in there slicker MTV sound, but while still retaining the raoring riffs and solos and cheeky lyrics. For 4 years I loved them until they released there first album with me as a fan. Nine Lives :( awful, then another 4 years later 'Just Push Play', awful :(

[icecool]

I saw them on their UK tour of St.Anger.

Their live show was suprisingly good and tight. They played like 3 songs off of St.Anger (HOORAY!) and kept mostly to the old stuff. Fade to Black, One, Hit the lights etc.

Very good show. Live they haven't lost it, but man the new album sucks. As does Hammett, its a blessing in a way that there are no solos on that thing. However, looking back at it now I'm not that bothered about the album; hugh dissapointment at the time, but wounds have healed ;)

[Death55]

I supose its good that kirk doesnt solo anymore. They werent any good anyway. i think almost every solo he played was pentatonic above the 12 fret and sometime the odd note below.

[MadGuitarest]

Hey actually I believe kirk hammett is one of the best guitarest ever, and i do believe he still can play any of his solos but their problem is that they probably dont think that the music they wrote wont work now. And Lead has made its way out of main stream so i think thats why there is no more lead, it sucks because we all know they can put out awesome songs if they would just stick to what they always have(except for everything after black album. O well maybe they will think about writing an album like there 80's albums.

[TheWizard]

I was always somewhat of a fan of metallica

they wrote some really good songs in their day, but st. anger has got to be one of the worst songs I have ever heard, and from the reading this post it seems like the rest of the album was just like that

and kirk..... common

he just woke up one day and said, "i have the ability to be one of the best shredders around but i think ill stop caring and be mediocre for the rest of my career"

[The Ace]

Hey look at me I'm metallica! I used to be really good and have people who made great music, but now since their are bands like Korn and Limp Bizkit I think I'm gonna get really bad so some kids with pierced lips will like me!



Dude this sux.

[b_hoves]

I saw Metallica at a concert called ‘The Big Day Out’, it is a collection of Rock bands that have released an album or done something important the year before. These band get together and tour around Australia. Anyway, I bummed around the whole day, only half listening to the bands and waiting for the Metallica concert that was going to be the grand finally. The time came and the first song they played was ‘blackened’, James sounded great (although I also believe that he should’ve kept drinking :D ), and then the solo came… Kirk was sooooo sloppy, at times I felt that even I could have got up there and done better. Other than some of the solos (some of them were still done fairly well) it was a great show, they did a some of the oldies, some off ‘black’, and a few off the ‘Loads’.

[Seve420]

I heard an interview with Lars Ulrich and another with Bob Rock, on Triple J, a few months ago.

Lars went on about how the album was meant to sound like a few guys just jammin' in a garage, although I can't see how having a snare sound like an empty silo getting hit with a sledgehammer is supposed to sound like a jam session. He also said that Hammet didn't do any solos because they wanted the album to be more of a focus on the band, not individual parts and solos singled Hammet out, which in my opinion is bullsh*t because people mainly just take notice of the singer when the others aren't doing anything outstanding.

Rock said that he produced the songs with Pro Tools, which he was renowned for, but put the different verses and choruses together poorly such as cymbals getting cut off. This was an attempt to make a mockery of how today's music is produced, with little talent needed from the musicians, just good production. He also didn't harmonize the vocals with the guitars, something else he is notorious for, to make them sound more in tune with another.

Personally, I don't like St Anger but I never really liked their music after they became popular.

[slipknot]

i blame troghilyo its his style he changed metallica for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!

they should getrid of him............................................

[Raskolnikov]

Originally posted by slipknot
i blame troghilyo its his style he changed metallica for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!

they should getrid of him............................................
1). It's "Trujillo"
2). Unless somebody's been filling me totally full of crap, he didn't play on St. Anger, so how could he have had any input on how the record sounded?

[b_hoves]

i believe Bob Rock did most of the bass work, and as for Trujillo, metallica pick him, not the other way round. that means this was the style of bassist they were looking for, thus fitting in with the style of music they were looking for.

[Edited by b_hoves on 02-05-2004 at 06:22 PM]

[MadGuitarest]

yeah i liked the old days more but i still respect metallcia for all they have done,, also im am going to see them may 12 at the qwest center in Omaha Nebraska and i am really looking forward to that.

[alucard0941]

Let me say one thing . . . Metallica was once a great band but now the TOTALLY SUCK!!!!!!!

one of the greatest dissapointments in rock history

[MadGuitarest]

I disagree with that statement because metallica doesnt suck! They play all of there old songs still just as well as they did when they started those songs if not better. Yes there music is not near as good as there old stuff except for the exeption of unforgiven II(that i think is the best song of there last three albums. Just because they arent putting out the music they used to doesnt mean that they suck, they have done more than almost everyband out these days. and i believe that they could put out stuff like there old stuff if they wanted to but as they said they felt they had no more room to grow in that direction wich is true i believe. After its all said and done i believe they are one of the best bands ever.

[Seve420]

Originally posted by MadGuitarest
Just because they arent putting out the music they used to doesnt mean that they suck, they have done more than almost everyband out these days

Including suing their fans, making horrible misfits covers and releasing the biggest load of sh*t, knowing their fans would buy it no matter what it sounds like.

[MadGuitarest]

it was about metallica and napster not there fans

[Kirk Hetfield]

Originally posted by Seve420
Originally posted by MadGuitarest
Just because they arent putting out the music they used to doesnt mean that they suck, they have done more than almost everyband out these days

Including suing their fans, making horrible misfits covers and releasing the biggest load of sh*t, knowing their fans would buy it no matter what it sounds like.



Reading what you just wrote made me a little dumber.

[Dante7978]

I'm obsessed with all of Metallica's old albums. To bad I can't say the same about their new ones. Ever since Load came out, the Metallica hold on me reduced. Now the hold is almost gone when they released St. Anger. I'm not saying that they're bad, but they're releasing some crap now. I still like their old stuffs, buit just not their newer ones.

[bitterblues01]

The old stuff is like an old dog that you have had for a long time. You just can't help but love the dog, no matter what. The new stuff is like a dog trying to replace your old dog. IT"S EVIL!!! jk

I am not a fan of the new crap, but eh if they are happy doing what they are doing more power to them....

[hairbndrckr]

Don't even get me started on Metallica$h, Inc. I was a fan since the freaking inception of the band... back when they were getting popular because people were passing around bootleg cassettes of the band. I think I still have one somewhere....I now still find it ironic about the whole Napster situation and Metallica, just because of the above statement...
Another irony.... Back when Metallicrap were worth a damn, they renounced music videos completely, and still attained platinum status on their music alone in a time when videos made or broke you. Now they are friggin MTV Icons?!?!!? Blasphemy I tell ya...
Also just to stir the pot, I can remember when you could get a decent ticket to a kick ass Metallica show for $20 bucks a seat... I haven't checked ticket prices lately, but I will wager to say they probably go for as much as Britney Spears' latest panty buying spree was.... Not f-ing cheap....
Before they got greedy they could make decent music. Now they thumb their noses at their fans and haven't put out a really good recording in years. Last good album was "...And Justice for All". Every freaking song on that album, along with all the albums before it, were hit songs... Every freaking one... Now you are lucky as hell to even get 2 good ones out of the whole CD...
Kirk was always a mediocre player in my book, but he is even worse now... He should give up and go surfing full time...As a matter of fact, maybe they should all call it a day and retire before they furthur embarrass themselves as hasbeens.

I'm out like Kirks sadass soloing...

[hairbndrckr]

Ok I just checked ticket prices in quite a few venues and they go for an average of $75.00 for decent seats. Guess they got to make up for the lost revenue for their dwindling fanbase...

[alkaline]

metallica sucks

[The Ace]

Originally posted by alkaline
metallica sucks

wow how much bickering can we make to get that one point across?

[Tank_Simmons]

God Metallica pisses me off. I loved these freakin guys. I have all the old albums and revere them like parts of the heavy metal bible....but that all stopped in recent years. Kill'em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets....these are creations from the lord I swear. Now they are just regurgitating all of the old stuff, but in a horrible way. Yeah the crowds go crazy hearing "Fuel" and "Enter Sandman," but they don't even do those well anymore. St. Anger is the worst album I've heard in the past year. I actually returned it and was ashamed of myself that I even gave it a chance.

[b_hoves]

I was just thinking about how many people are coming on and saying the Metallica suck, but aren’t giving good reason, almost like they are just posting what they think other people want to hear.

Also people are saying that they are just doing the same thing over and again and we put them down for that, but if they try and do something different we all put them for this as well, these guys can’t win.

Saying all this makes me wonder what we would all think of say ‘Master of Puppets’ (widely recognised as their best album) if they released it instead of ‘St. Anger’, would we all go along with the trend that has come about in the last few years and say the same old thing about them not being as good as they used to be?

[Seve420]

Originally posted by Kirk Hetfield
Originally posted by Seve420
Originally posted by MadGuitarest
Just because they arent putting out the music they used to doesnt mean that they suck, they have done more than almost everyband out these days

Including suing their fans, making horrible misfits covers and releasing the biggest load of sh*t, knowing their fans would buy it no matter what it sounds like.



Reading what you just wrote made me a little dumber.

Is that because you didn't realize they did an atrocious Misfits cover in Garage Inc called Last Caress, didn't know they sued Napster (pretty much telling their fans to go f*ck themselves if they won't fork out the money to pay for their albums), or didn't comprehend that they've got fans who've followed them from the beginning and had their fingers crossed, praying for St Anger to be similar to the original Metallica and actually spent money on that piece of sh*t, so you felt so stupid, you decided to bang your head against a wall?

Or is it because you got so depressed that you decided to go on a drinking binge like the old Metallica used to?

Or is it that you are one of the Metallica fans who believe The Black Album was their debut? If that's the case, you can't get much dumber that you already are.

[Raskolnikov]

Originally posted by Seve420
didn't know they sued Napster (pretty much telling their fans to go f*ck themselves if they won't fork out the money to pay for their albums)
That's a far more complicated issue than I think you can begin to comprehend.


Careful what you choose to argue about here, because chances are, somebody argues it better than you do.

[Seve420]

Originally posted by Raskolnikov
Originally posted by Seve420
didn't know they sued Napster (pretty much telling their fans to go f*ck themselves if they won't fork out the money to pay for their albums)
That's a far more complicated issue than I think you can begin to comprehend.


Careful what you choose to argue about here, because chances are, somebody argues it better than you do.

No doubt.

[basics]

It's a new sound for Metallica. I liked the old as much as anybody but you've got to give them credit for paving their own path. Just like Zeppelin man, they're in it for the music. All I hear is crying about the change in music and wah wah they want money for their work. You know, of all the musicians in the world the only one who we expected to stick up for their art was Metallica and they did it head on and without regret. You guys can moan and groan and bitch and complain and do whatever else it is you goddamn sheep do best but Metallica is always going to do what they do, and that's saying **** you to all and doing their own thing. Just keep an open mind about it.

[TheWizard]

Originally posted by Raskolnikov
Originally posted by Seve420
didn't know they sued Napster (pretty much telling their fans to go f*ck themselves if they won't fork out the money to pay for their albums)
That's a far more complicated issue than I think you can begin to comprehend.


Careful what you choose to argue about here, because chances are, somebody argues it better than you do.

If your up for a napster debate then I'm game

it's not a complicated issue at all, Mettalica told their fans to f*ck off unless you're willing to pay for our music

[Raskolnikov]

Originally posted by TheWizard
Originally posted by Raskolnikov
Originally posted by Seve420
didn't know they sued Napster (pretty much telling their fans to go f*ck themselves if they won't fork out the money to pay for their albums)
That's a far more complicated issue than I think you can begin to comprehend.


Careful what you choose to argue about here, because chances are, somebody argues it better than you do.

If your up for a napster debate then I'm game

it's not a complicated issue at all, Mettalica told their fans to f*ck off unless you're willing to pay for our music
Doesn't a painter have a right to control duplication and distribution of their paintings? And why shouldn't it be? Afterall, we're talking about this artist's means of existance.

It's no different with music.

Well, you say "it's the big labels that are affected by this."

Yeah, but it was the artist's choice to sign and now that which harms the label harms them.


Sharing/trading music when a band is cool with it = bomb diggity

Sharing/trading music when a band isn't cool with it = criminal activity

[Edited by Raskolnikov on 02-26-2004 at 01:17 AM]

[Axl_Rose]

A painter has no right to charge people who glance at his work, or inadventantly see it without being prepared to pay.
Man its illegal to tape record songs fof the radio but who cares!
Theres no excuse for the way the guys in metllica acted, the fundemental issue evolved around money and record sales, which is pathetic.

[Jamiephofe]

I'd like to add my opinion...

I can understand why Metallica were against Napster, but I can't understand why they thought shutting it down would make any kind of difference.

Napster is down right? Who here can still get Metallica songs from Kazaa?

Im guessing everyone.

Then if they shut down Kazaa, who can still get Metallica songs via FTP? Or at least go round to a friends house who can and get a copy.

Yet again, im guessing everyone.

The only way I can see Metallica stopping the sharing/trading of their music is if they can shut down the internet and make CDRW's illegal.

Metallica are rich and famous, but there's no ****ing way they're ever going to stop their music being shared.They should stop crying about it and be happy they make more in a year than most of us in a lifetime. I have downloaded loads of Metallica songs... I have also bought all their albums (apart from st anger).

If my CD gets scratched to ****ery or someone steals it.. whats the problem with me downloading the songs? I've already bought a few of their albums twice because they were stolen...

- J

[Edited by jamiephofe on 02-26-2004 at 09:00 AM]

[Pantallica1]

I don't think they consider it "illegal" if you already own the album. You can rip every song off of every CD you own if you'd like. But, you aren't allowed to "share" them.

[iamthe_eggman]

Originally posted by Axl_Rose
A painter has no right to charge people who glance at his work, or inadventantly see it without being prepared to pay.

Uhhh... why not? He'd just have to control where the painting was seen. If he allows it to be spread out over the city on bus stops, sure, you're right. But if he decides only to show it in specific art galleries, then he is charging people to see it. To be more specific, people are paying for the opportunity to see it, they might not even look at his particular painting.

An artist of any sort has all the rights in the world for his art. It's preposterous to say that "an artist has no right...". It's the audience that has the limited rights.

[iamthe_eggman]

Originally posted by Jamiephofe
Metallica are rich and famous, but there's no ****ing way they're ever going to stop their music being shared.They should stop crying about it and be happy they make more in a year than most of us in a lifetime. I have downloaded loads of Metallica songs... I have also bought all their albums (apart from st anger).

It's not about who's rich and who's not rich. In the eyes of a Vietnamese sweatshop worker, you make more in one day than they'll ever see in a lifetime.

The issue here is not only about money, it's about the rights of musicians to control the distribution of their music.

Sure, it may seem selfish for Metallica to have shut down Napster, but I'm sure there are some bands out there that are completely behind Metallica's actions, since they defended the rights of musicians.

Originally posted by Jamiephofe
If my CD gets scratched to ****ery or someone steals it.. whats the problem with me downloading the songs? I've already bought a few of their albums twice because they were stolen...

Oh, yes, I forgot, the entire reason Napster was created... so that people could download mp3s for CDs which had been damaged or stolen...


If you own the CD, you can make as many copies as you need for personal use. That includes backups. In fact, I have a friend who has copied all his CDs and only carries around the copies. That ensures that the originals will always be perfect, and there are no worries about losing the CD.

[Axl_Rose]

Originally posted by iamthe_eggman
Uhhh... why not? He'd just have to control where the painting was seen etc...

Yea I no but with music your subjected to it in so many ways its hard to control. Simply occurances like leading your CD to a friend or playing it at a part are illegal! Which is proposterous and impossible to govern.

I think the sole reason for metallicas objection to Napster was because they didnt want it to lower there level of "success" but costing them sales and money. Which I believe is petty for a band on their stature.

[basics]

The law deems their music their property, unauthorized use or distribution will be dealt with accordingly. Property is property. You know. Whatever argument you can come up, if you steal, you're a scumbag. Metallica knows it, I know it, others on here know it. You're a scumbag man. I've got to admit, I am too. But I also believe in what Metallica's doing. You've got a decent tune, the one that seems to be catching and you wonder why your cd sales aren't going anywhere? It's because they don't have to buy your cd for that one tune, it's spread all across the world like a cheap whore's legs except in this case it's free. You're a musician and arguing AGAINST Metallica. Common man, we're all in it together, musicians I mean - I can see arguing against Metallica from some punk kid who doesn't know the difference but if you're reading this, odds are you're a musician and should be able to think.

[Jamiephofe]

"It's not about who's rich and who's not rich. In the eyes of a Vietnamese sweatshop worker, you make more in one day than they'll ever see in a lifetime.

The issue here is not only about money, it's about the rights of musicians to control the distribution of their music. "



Ok.. I agree that the part about them making more money was stupid. I know there are people who make practically nothing.

The point I was trying to get to is that the issue is alot bigger than a few programs, I agree with Metallica but don't think they did much good with the law suit. Kazaa is already just Napster with a different name, I don't know how they're going to stop music sharing unless they can monitor all the network traffic in the world.

- J

[Raskolnikov]

Originally posted by Axl_Rose
A painter has no right to charge people who glance at his work, or inadventantly see it without being prepared to pay.
This point is completely assenine.

If you've downloaded a song off of Kazaa or some other p2p client or from an FTP site, you haven't done anything even remotely inadvertantly. You actively searched for something and chose to download something you thought was probably it.


Back to the real world -- Artists do have the right to make you pay to go into a gallery and see their works, and they do have the right to make you pay to buy the painting, prints and/or reproductions of their original works if you want to take the work home with you. Downloading music illegally is like shoplifting the print.

If a band is fine with that, cool. More power to them. We all know the marketing potential that lies there.

However, you don't have the right to take away somebody else's right to choose what they share and what they do not. You can download for free as much of my old band's catalog as I can afford to host. The three of us are glad to see our music still get around. On the other hand, we respect that other musicians would want to restrict downloads to a few songs or not allow it all together. It's their right and you'll never see me support the subversion of somebody's else's rights.

I'm honestly somewhat disgusted to see downloading taken so casually on a site composed exclusively of musicians. We're talking about other people's art here, their heart and soul's work, something they've likely suffered emotionally and financially to put forth into recorded form for you to enjoy.

Too many of you look on this almost as if it was vigilante justice and try ot think of ways to rationalize and glorify it. But students of history and human nature realize that vigilante justice is not justice at all.

In a truely moral society, who can give you the right to decide for me what of my art I share and what I don't?

NOBODY.

[Edited by Raskolnikov on 02-26-2004 at 11:04 PM]

[stanger]

Originally posted by slipknot
i blame troghilyo its his style he changed metallica for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!

they should getrid of him............................................

it's Trujillo!!! And he's better than Jason!

St.Anger is just a complete different type of metallica, it's as it is now, not like the old times (master of puppets, ridew the lightning)...

But where are the solo's from Kirk?!

[hairbndrckr]

Look... I can fully understand the whole Napster thing with Metallica$h, Inc... Yeah it's their music and they should be able to make some cash, but before the Black Album, you were allowed to go to a concert, bootleg the songs, and distribute them freely. They didn't give a damn... Hell that's how they got started... You couldn't walk down the street without someone handing you a Metallica bootleg saying,"Here you gotta check this out".

I just find it ironic they were suing people for the exact same thing that got them to where they are... Funny how the world works EH?

[Jolly McJollyson]

Whatever, who cares? Hammet is never going to be able to play guitar better than he does in "One" and "Master of Puppets" both of which at least half of our members could have written in their sleep. And Hetfield is never going to have any legato rhythm. It's ALWAYS going to be the same boardlike staccato crap. That said, I love Metallica's old stuff, I have no clue why. It's like the Beatle's "I wanna hold you hand" or "Help" musically unskilled, but somehow SO catchy.

[ajbongiovanni]

old mettalica rocks, ...yeah!