Good shredders/Bad shredders

[finger_cruncher]

Hey all....

This is not your typical 'Name your favorite guitarists' thread. Instead, this thread is to illustrate the difference between good shredders and bad shredders. Of course, it's completely subjective, but I want to see opinions on various guitarists. It will be interesting to see if there is a general consensus among people regarding good shredding and bad shredding.

I would like to point out that being a good shredder is more than just speed ability. It's not a black and white concept. Technical ability means being able to offer more than just blazingly fast alternate picking licks. Likewise, being a good shredder is not indicative of being a good song writer.

Please give brief reasons for your choices. I'll start off:

Good shredders:

-Shawn Lane - Extremely unorthodox approach, great phrasing. Also good song writing.

-Steve Vai - Good soloing, a tad bit over-rated, but good song-writing, and solid player overall.

-George Bellas- Great chops, good phrasing, and soulful style.

-Rusty Cooley - Good chops, poor song-writing qualities, but his soloing, phrasing, and interesting runs make up for his mediocre song-writing.

-Marcel Coenen- Good shredding, decent song-writing ability

-Eric Johnson -Often over-looked as a shredder, very interesting phrasing, good chops, and great tunes.

-Buckethead- A solid shredder, but moreover he's a very interesting composer and creative guitar-oriented ideas.

-Tony MacAlpine -A huge part of being a good shredder is innovation. Guitarists like Tony MacAlpine offer something new and refreshing to the scene. He's a great guitarist, somewhat unorthodox, and offers something more than your standard 2-sting, 4 note, repeated alternate picking lick.

Bad shredders:

-Francesco Fareri - This guy is blazing fast, but his soloing is so boring I lose interest after 30 seconds. He lacks phrasing or creativity and simply runs scales up and down the fretboard. He literally sounds like a machine, without any forethought about creating innovative solos or interesting licks. If you don't believe me, watch any of his video clips or listen to some of his mp3 clips. The mp3s are just plain bad.

-Michael Angelo - I know I'm going to take some flak for this, but despite his amazing technical ability, the guy gets really boring fast. A major complaint of mine regarding his playing is his phrasing. Yes, he has great chops, but every solo of his begins to sound the same. Just watch his instructional video, 'Speed Kills' and you'll begin to understand what I mean. He demonstrates solo after solo and there's not enough variance in his work. I'd say his phrasing stinks (almost non-existent) and he needs to seriously spend more time working on song composition. I can't really say anything about Nitro, as I've never heard them though. Bottom line: very very fast guitarist, but lame shredder.

[Death55]

Ok.... I agree with most of the people who you have said to be good shredders. I havnt heard all of them but i agree that the ones i have heard are good and make there music sound cool.

Francesco Fareri , i also agree with you here. He can play very fast and i do have to give him credit for that.
I head some of his songs. They were crap. The quality was so bad. Also i agree that his playing is quite primitive and just seems to be shredding up and down scales and doing a few arpegios that are really sloppy.

Another shredder that i have to give credit to is Danny joe carter. He has some super fast picking going on there(which looks like its speeded up hehe) but again his arpegios are really sloppy and he doesnt seem to know what he is doing. i cant really say too much about him because i havnt heard much of him

And yes... you did ask for it !
Michael angelo is a very good song writer IMO. I think his phrasing is good in some songs maybe not all of them and i can see what you mean when you talk about his songs sound the same. He is the fastest shredder i know who doesnt play stuff sloppy. Thats what is so great about him. He has melody and if you listen to some of his stuff other than no boundries you would know what i'm talking about. He can also make his music sound really good when he plays it slow and has also done some acoustic songs. I dont know how you can say he cant write good songs when he knows so much theory and even says he has a degree in music. I saw him on the dvd speed kills and i thought he was good. I then saw him live and was like :0
I'm sorry but i dont know how you can say he is a bad shredder.

[joshldoherty]

my example of a good shredder would have to be joe satriani. His understanding of harmony and melody are incredibly difficult to top, according to me. Also, his incorporation of multiple cultures in his playing never stops amazing me. I think the main thing that distinguishs him is the way he can fuse styles and sounds and still sound amazing.
In all honesty, i don't think i've heard a bad shredder- but maybe thats just cuz im jealous of people who can play that fast...

[Death55]

Originally posted by joshldoherty
In all honesty, i don't think i've heard a bad shredder

Trust me there are bad shredders e.g Francesco Fareri.
Just have a listen. I wouldnt really class satch as a shredder but he has got style to his playing.

[Jolly McJollyson]

Satch isn't entirely shred guitar, but I would consider his solo on "Surfing with the Alien" a shred solo.

[TheWizard]

I dont think I would consider Eric Johnson a shreder by any means

don't get me wronge I think he's amazing and i'm sure if he wanted to he could shred like nuts

it seems like we're forgetting a little known swed by the name of Yngwie J. Malmsteen

I just got that album with him and the orchestra, absolutely brilliant

[sambob]

Although you DID put Rusty Cooley on your good shredders list, I think in the next few years he'll be even closer up to the top. I'm fairly sure he plays some fusion/jazz things, as well as just neoclassical and rock, I have a feeling with some of the guys he seems to like (Frank Gambale, Shawn Lane), that we should be hearing totally good things from him (Even better than his first album, which although it had a few songs...had a few great songs too.. Under The Influence, Dominion, The Butcher, etc).

However, if I made that list.. Steve Vai would be on the BAD shredders side. Why? He always plays the same thing! Of all the live records, bootlegs, and videos I've heard/seen of him, he plays nearly the exact same thing on all of his songs. Now, the guy doesn't hardly EVER screw up, and thats good. But if I played the same thing every night I don't think I would either. A good example of a shredder thats always pushing the limits (in my mind at least), is actually Joe Stump. Some may see him as a cheap Yngwie knockoff.. but having seen him live a few times I can assure you he most definitely not! He's always pushing himself beyond what I'm assuming he thought were his limits (As you can tell by the surprised look on his face during some solos). Some call it sloppy, but when you're pushing yourself like that I don't think you expect things to always turn out 100% right, but its always interesting to see how far he can push himself.

So I see guys like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani.. not really as shredders. Talented players, great songwriters, but not shredders.

As for Michael Angelo..either he's the greatest guitar player ever (I've never heard him miss a single note), or like I was mentioning above, he just never tries anything new.

To get an idea of what I mean about joe stump, check out the video on his website! http://www.joestump.com Its amazing to see how even a veteran player like him can improve so much over just a few years (listen to his first album, then his newest stuff).

[DreamRyche2112]

I agree Eric Johnson is overlooked in hsi shredding abillity... luckily his guitar skills make up for his voice...

Good: Satch, Vai, Johnson, Pertucci, Malmsteen, Macalpine, Iommi, Rhoads, Darrel, Wylde, Michael Romeo, Vernon reid, lifeson.

Bad: Michael Angelo, Slash ( im sry dudes i just cant get in to him).

[alexmackinnon]

On this topic of shreders, i was wondering if you guys have heard of Jason Becker? he played in a band called cacophony with marty freidman. i think he is an amazing shreder not omly speed wise but melodically aswell also i love yngwie malmsteen because of the way he composes such brilliant songs

[Fruitbat]

To my ears most shredders are the equivalent of those bebop sax players whose improvisation just sounds random and totally lacking in feeling. As for Vai, Malmsteen and Michael Angelo technically they're top flight but dont have the hooks and melodies Satch does.

[Death55]

Originally posted by alexmackinnon
On this topic of shreders, i was wondering if you guys have heard of Jason Becker?
Yeah, jason becker is really good. I havnt heard that much of his stuff. I have a few songs of his and a video of his. I think i would say he is a good shredder. Its really sad to see him in a wheel chair now and not being able play any more music. :(

[sambob]

I think EVERYONE has heard of Jason Becker..

[Seve420]

No one has even mentioned Chris Impellitteri. He has some very fast, catchy songs like '17th Century Chicken Pickin' and 'Spanish Fire'. They may have some very simple parts but they still sound great.

As for Micheal Angelo, when I first heard him I thought 'he's the best' but after hearing other songs, which sound very similar, he doesn't seem that great anymore. I still enjoy listening to No Boundaries though.

I've only heard one of Rusty Cooley's songs, 'Under The Influence' and it was extremely fast but just sounded like one large excercise so haven't bothered to listen to any of his other stuff.

[Seve420]

One thing I've been wondering, what is up with shred guitarists and huge hair? Not that I really care about looks and style but Joe Stump and Yngwie Malmsteen have huge '80's boof'. Chris Impellitteri, Rusty Cooley and Paul Gilbert (another great shredder not mentioned on this thread) have long, typical 80's metal hair. Shawn Lane has a huge untrimmed beard, like Howard Kaylan of Flo and Eddie and Mother of Inventions. But Michael Angelo tops them with a horrible mullet and I one of the funniest pics I've seen was him and the rest of Nitro with massive boofy hair that would have to be about half a metre in diameter.

http://www.metal-sludge.com/20QuestionsAngelo.htm

2nd pic down.

[Death55]

Yeah i agree his hair was insane back in the old days when i didnt know anything about good music. Its ok now. Its still long but i think it looks good. BTW, people who say angelo's songs are all the same and for the people who are into joe satriani, check out a song by michael angelo called "The Finish Line" you might like it ! I dont know where you can get it from but i know if you have kazza or something it should be on there.

[sixstringkingkb]

On the subject of hairy shredders, do you think Satch looked cooler with hair, or without? I like the chrome dome look. As far as my list of good and bad shredders goes, here's my opinion.

Good: Vai, Satch, Johnson(although not necessarilly just for shredding), Petrucci, and Greg Koch

Bad: Yngwie Malmsteen, haven't heard many others (or many worse)

[Death55]

What did satch look like with hair ? I have never seen him with hair but i knew he used to have hair. Anyone got any good pics of him with hair ?

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

I think satch looks like a white,bald stevie wonder(or ray charles).He actually relys on melodies to carry the music.

Everyone forgot Tony Macalpine..a great shredder with a unique sound and some cool techniques(like slapping and popping)
If Eric Johnson kept his mouth shut,I would enjoy his music much more.
Vinnie Moore hasn't been mentioned yet...another good player.


I really don't dislike many shredders,but if I had to choose one it would be....Kirk Hammet...yeah..him.What a disgrace.

[joshldoherty]

Oh man, I just checked out Joe Stump's website- I think I'm in love...either that or maybe i've just not been exposed to as much shred as the rest of you. Anyway, thanks to whoever posted that link on this thread.

And i like the bald satriani. i mean, he looks kind of, and im using this loosely, kind of like my dad.

[sambob]

No one forgot Macalpine except you apparently, he was in the first post of the tread :)

And really.. Satriani has only been bald for a few years! I think he did it for the first G3 tour.

Before that he had kind of poofy long hair (very much like Tony Macalpines hair, except of course Tony is black and Satriani isn't). I'm fairly sure he was going bald anyway, it didn't look too good.

And I'm pretty sure Michael Angelo wears a wig :P

On a related note....

Frank Gambale.

Turns out this guy has been bald since he was 20 or so. Apparently he just 'came out' and is admitting to it, he wore whigs for a long time I guess.

[Seve420]

Originally posted by Death55
BTW, people who say angelo's songs are all the same and for the people who are into joe satriani, check out a song by michael angelo called "The Finish Line" you might like it ! I dont know where you can get it from but i know if you have kazza or something it should be on there.

Actually 'The Finish Line' was actually the 2nd Michael Angelo song I heard after No Boundaries so decided to download more songs such as China, Rainforest and All Systems Go. This was when I was disappointed with the songs sounding very much alike.

[Death55]

Well maybe you havnt got a very good musical ear or your just saying what you have heard from other people because you just agree with the majority. I mean most guitarists songs sound very similar because they like to stick with a certain tone and style. Wouldnt it be retarded to try and make every song you made really different. From the songs you said you have heard i agree that those ones are probably fairly similar because they are mainly of one of his albums. 2x again is a very melodic song and has pretty much no shredding in it. Check it out.

[Pantallica1]

Death55, there is no need to insult anyone for their own opinions.

And I do think that it should be an artists responsibility to make songs sound different. I don't want to go out and buy an album where all the songs sound exactly the same. Michael Angelo does this a lot. He uses the same arp shapes for most of his songs, especially the sweeping parts. There are also a few broken arps that he uses exclusively. I've heard plenty of Michael Angelo's material and he is a technical speed-freak, but that doesn't mean his songs don't sound the same.

You need to respect other people's opinions. In life many people are going to disagree with what you think. Show some maturity and respect other people's opinions.

[Death55]

Sorry Pantallica1 its just i feel so strongly about who's good and whose not etc. I also think angelo is one of the greatest guitarist out there and it makes me angry when people talk about his bad points because he has influenced my playing so much and it feels like people would be also critizising my style of playing.
I dont mind people saying who they think are good because i can think fair enough maybe thats what they like and i'm sure a lot of those people would be angry to hear me talking about how bad i think that guitarist is, but sorry for insulting you like that seve420 didnt mean it in a nasty way ;)

[u10ajf]

seve 420, butterflies shelter on the underside of leaves with their wings folded behind their backs when it rains. Their wings are covered in delicate scales which would wash off in the rain, their latin name comes from reference to this: lepidoptera meaning scaly wing. That said some are long distance migrants e.g. the Monarch Butterfly the whole population of which stays in one wood in Mexico. Sometimes they get swept up in storms and make it over the atlantic despite having no shelter. Hope that helped! ;)

I love Satch and would call him a shredder 'cause I've heard the bells of Lal, crushing day and a heap of other tracks with technically awesome solos. I saw him live and he doesn't duff a single note, it's humbling.

Malmsteem has an awesome tone and sweeps in a horrifying manner. So many people diss him but I think that's only because they're jealous and they think that other people will think they must be great if they cab diss him. That said I do think he's a bit repetitive.

Pettrucci. !!! Fabulous.

Good shredders not mentioned so far:

Glenn Tipton, ex. Judas Priest. Baptism of Fire has several of the best guitar solos I've ever heard on it.
It combines great melody with technique that exceeds practically any shredder you care to mention. Also he plays with Billy Sheehan, arguably the best bassist in the world.
Allan Holdsworth (anybody with that level of technical resource must be regarded as a shredder even if they don't generally play distortion guitar). Crazy jazz legato runs flipping through tons of scales and harmonies. The thinking guitarist's guitarist.
Vinnie Moore. Great rock guitar shredder who can also play fine acoustic tunes.
Nuno Bettencourt. Extreme split up when Gary Cherone went to play for Van Halen. Personally I think that was a waste. I prefer Nuno to van Halen, he's a humongously gifted guitarist.
Trey Azagoth. Morbid Angel lead guitarist. Saw a clip of him on Noisy mothers. Great tone with tons of dark soul. Awesome tapping and immaculate picking.

Bad Shredders:
Steve Vai (yawn) too much wah and whammy bar, I find it overstated and un-musical. Great technique but so what.

Rusty Cooley. Possibly the most technically awesome guitarist I've ever heard and it drops my jaw but it's not what I'd call musical.

Michael Angelo. I saw him play a solo during some horrible 80s hair metal thing with totally cliched lyrics. He played this four necked cross shaped guitar that was lowered to him from the ceiling. Ambidextrous over hand playing looks awesome but it didn't do much for me. Anyone with real musical integrity would avoid such a cheesy band.

[Seve420]

Originally posted by u10ajf
seve 420, butterflies shelter on the underside of leaves with their wings folded behind their backs when it rains. Their wings are covered in delicate scales which would wash off in the rain, their latin name comes from reference to this: lepidoptera meaning scaly wing. That said some are long distance migrants e.g. the Monarch Butterfly the whole population of which stays in one wood in Mexico. Sometimes they get swept up in storms and make it over the atlantic despite having no shelter. Hope that helped! ;)


I've been pondering about that for a couple of years actually. I thought that even if they sheltered under leaves, they could still die during violent storms but all they really have to do is f*ck then lay eggs just after getting out of their cocoon for the species to survive.

[u10ajf]

Plenty of butterflies hibernate. Small Tortoiseshells are a Britsh example. OIthers like Clouded Yellows and Painted Ladies Migrate to Africa. Apparently Monarchs can fly as fast as 30mph!
Here's a link (http://www.riverdeep.net/current/2000/09/092900_migrations.jhtml)

[Edited by iamthe_eggman on 01-16-2004 at 10:52 PM]

[aiwass]

Originally posted by Death55
Wouldnt it be retarded to try and make every song you made really different.

Dream Theater? Opeth? Pain of Salvation? THE BEATLES?!

That's like saying: "Wouldn't it be retarded to try and write stuff in different keys?"

[sixstringkingkb]

Good Point. I can't say there's been a time when I've been equally impressed by two songs from one artist that sound almost exactly alike. However, I will agree that artists cannot really escape sounding like themselves unless they're copying someone else, and even then, we're not hearing anything new, are we? Anyway, on the subject of shred guitar, who has the best shred guitar tone? Of course Eric Johnson doesn't count because he has the best tone ever :). Tell me what you think, guys

KB

[Yngtchie Blacksteen]

Originally posted by u10ajf

Bad Shredder:
Steve Vai (yawn) too much wah and whammy bar, I find it overstated and un-musical. Great technique but so what.
I agree with you completely, Vai is technically awesome, but I'm just bored by his playing.

[aiwass]

Originally posted by Yngtchie Blacksteen
Originally posted by u10ajf

Bad Shredder:
Steve Vai (yawn) too much wah and whammy bar, I find it overstated and un-musical. Great technique but so what.
I agree with you completely, Vai is technically awesome, but I'm just bored by his playing.

Funny, I happen to feel the opposite. I'm not that amazed by his technique (although it IS amazing), but I LOVE his phrasing and sense of melody...

[Yngtchie Blacksteen]

Originally posted by aiwass
[QUOTE]
Funny, I happen to feel the opposite. I'm not that amazed by his technique (although it IS amazing), but I LOVE his phrasing and sense of melody...
I know, opinions on Vai are very split.

[Pantallica1]

I love Vai's playing. I think he isn't the greatest technically, but he's the only instrumental guitarist that I can put in a CD of and listen to without becoming bored.

His use of "effects" can be quite overdone, but mostly it's all in good taste.

I would put Michael Angelo in as a bad shredder. Same licks, same key, over and over and over.

[Koolen]

My opinion on the matter

Yngwie is a damn good shredder. He chooses not to be super fast, well because he knows it wont make him sound any better. Anyway, this guy puts it togeather so brilliantly. He gots so many kick ass sounds and melodies. Take his violin technique (easy but uses it in a brilliant way) Also, he is probably the best at using delay, that is just brilliant as well. Yes, Yngwie Malmsteen is a brilliant fellow.

Michael Angelo is good but if find no good melody. His songs seem like one big fat solo, and who wants that? For his over hand flopping, I dont see what is so special about flopping your hands around on the guitar neck. I hear nothing good come out of it so wtf.

Steve Vai sounds good but sometimes runs sour. He abuses the wha peddle.

Joe Satriani is a genius, but who wants to listen to a bunch of different styles on one cd( Kind of stupid )

Michael Romeo, havent heard much, but his intro for Smoke and Mirrors is pretty radical and awsome.

Pual Gilbert, if you love rock, he is a damn good rock shredder. And really good metal shredding too.

[hairbndrckr]

ON my good "shredder" list the top would have to be Gilbert. He's fast and can add humor to his playing...

On my bad shredder list... ME. I am possibly the worst shredder on the planet. Probably because I don't shred, but that's besides the point :)

[hairbndrckr]

Originally posted by Koolen

Joe Satriani is a genius, but who wants to listen to a bunch of different styles on one cd( Kind of stupid )



Since I just noticed this after writing my post, I thought I would comment on this...
Obviously you should just give up music and the guitar all together based on this quote, because obviously you are wasting your time.
Being able to play different styles and come across as yourself everytime is what most guitarist strive for, myself included...He can do that...
I personally have every one of Satch's CD's so I for ONE must prefer to listen to a bunch of different styles on one CD...I don't think it's stupid...
Just on tone, technique, phrasing, and general music writing, there is YEARS of study in his albums in order to master his style. Yngwies( wingnut, whatever) style... Hmm how to say this...

Learn the harmonic minor scale forwards and backwards, learn to sweep pick minor arpeggios, and learn how to play pedal tones quickly and there you have it... His whole style of playing in less than a decent paragraph.

SO next time you think about playing the guitar, repeat after me...
Step away from the guitar
Step away from the guitar
Step away from the guitar...

[Yngtchie Blacksteen]

Originally posted by Koolen

who wants to listen to a bunch of different styles on one cd( Kind of stupid )



Yeah, The White Album sucks...:rolleyes:

[Yngtchie Blacksteen]

Yes, I was being sarcastic...

[Death55]

I can see what he means though. If you really like a guitarist you want to be able to listen to an album where it is fairly similar. This way you can sit down and listen to it all the way through and not have to skip songs that are so different and are not for you. This was what i ment when i said about michael angelo being the same. If you have every song of yours sound very different then you will get lots of people liking maybe only 1 or 2 songs that you have written meaning you have a very small number of people that like enough of your songs to buy an ambum of yours or come to see you live.
I'm not saying that satch is like this because i have watched his dvd and if i remember, i liked all of the songs he played. I agree with the fact that its good to change songs a lot and have them sounding very different so they are not all exactly the same and they can all still be very good. Obviously satch didnt go wrong in making his songs so different because i know so many people who like him and he always has that unique style in every song which is what is important.
I hope you see both sides of my arguement.

[Pantallica1]

Originally posted by Death55
I can see what he means though. If you really like a guitarist you want to be able to listen to an album where it is fairly similar. This way you can sit down and listen to it all the way through and not have to skip songs that are so different and are not for you. This was what i ment when i said about michael angelo being the same. If you have every song of yours sound very different then you will get lots of people liking maybe only 1 or 2 songs that you have written meaning you have a very small number of people that like enough of your songs to buy an ambum of yours or come to see you live.

What you described is exactly "nu-metal". No change in song structure, same "my dad hated me" lyrics, same 4/4 drum beat, it's ridiculous. I would much rather pick up a CD of Vai or Satch and listen to the different changes in songs and try to figure out, "Man, what was he thinking when he wrote that, that's awesome." Instead of going, "Man, I've heard this downtuned guitar riff 75,000 times already."

Change in song style and structure is awesome. Reread hairbndrckrs post again.

[aiwass]

Originally posted by Koolen
Joe Satriani is a genius, but who wants to listen to a bunch of different styles on one cd( Kind of stupid )


I'm sorry to say this, but you as a music fan are a waste of perfectly good carbon. Dumbest statement EVER.

[Death55]

I give up. I just cant explain anything properly. I guess thats why i started playing guitar. I find it so much easier to express my feeling when playing guitar than trying to explain something when i dont have a f***ing clue what i'm on about.

[I Suffer]

Originally posted by aiwass
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Koolen
[B]Joe Satriani is a genius, but who wants to listen to a bunch of different styles on one cd( Kind of stupid )


hahaah, that doesnt make any sense at all. Would you rather every song sound the same? ( Kind of stupid)lol

I like when musicians expand their horizons. Try new experimetal stuff. Or simply do other styles then their normal.

[Azrael]

I´m a Bad Shredder, for i eat little children x}

[blueturk]

You guys have gone over pretty much the core of modern-day shredders...but where did all these guys come from? How quickly we forget. No mention of Eddie, except to say that he's not as good as Satch and Vai (both of whom I like very much), don't forget "Eruption" marks the birth of shredding. Another barely mentioned is Randy Rhoads, I know that his recorded work isn't as awe-inspiring today as it was when it was new, but in my humble opinion he would have eclipsed all of the neo-classical shredders, Yngwie included. In fact he was years ahead of these guys, but the business being what it is, and Ozzy being who he is, he never had a chance to showcase his classical talent in the studio. Record execs wouldn't go for an all-instrumental album at that time. I believe that his determination to fuse classical and rock music made some of the suits take notice and opened the door for some other great guitarists.

Anyhoo, I just wanted to add my two cents. After all, that's what this is all about, right?

Shredders I like that haven't been mentioned yet:
George Lynch, Jake E. Lee, Warren Demartini, Tracii Guns...true they're not the prototypical fusion shredders, but I think they kick ass just the same!

Guys I don't really care for:
Hammett, Dimebag, and Mustaine

[Koolen]

Who wants to buy an album with every song going into a diffrent music genere. I think I just upset some Satriani fans thats all.

Originally posted by hairbndrckr

Learn the harmonic minor scale forwards and backwards, learn to sweep pick minor arpeggios, and learn how to play pedal tones quickly and there you have it... His whole style of playing in less than a decent paragraph.

[/B]

Shows how much you know.

For Yngwie's style there are allot of things you need to learn. For instance scales: Natural, Harmonci, Melodic minor modes. Then you need to know Diminished, Whole Tone, and Cromatic. Pentatonic: Minor, Major, Dominate.

Appegios: Well I have seen him use all of these, and I know he does more. Minor, Major, Diminished, Diminished7th, Augmented, and Suspended. All modes included for these.

Then you need to know how to alternate the volume knob for his violin type sound.

Well im just trying to say that it aint simple. I have seen all of the above in his playing.

Sounds like you dont know much about it.

Other than that you people get offended to easily so, I am wasting my time.





[Edited by Koolen on 01-28-2004 at 12:19 AM]