michael angelo or yngwie malmsteen

[xpayxphonex]

who do you think would win a guitar duel michael angelo or yngwie. I'm not sure. Both are good.

[Pantallica1]

Michael Angelo, hands down.

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times.

Find your favorite guitar shredder, then ask him to play as fast as normally does, but do it left handed, better yet, at the same time.

Angelo can.

He plays a double neck guitar, not a standard double neck, a guitar that looks like a V, with one side being truely right handed, the other side being truely left handed, and he plays them at the same time. I've even seen a newer model that has 4 necks. That's amazing in itself.

[xpayxphonex]

well yea michael angelo can do alot of freak stuff like play on two necks at the same time but i am talking about just playing guitar in general. not who is more freaky. To tell you the truth I think if they were on the same record with each other they would probably sound the same, because they play alot alike although yngwie probably cant play left handed. hey i just thought of something; they should make a crossroad 2 with michael angelo and yngwie haveing duel. that would be bad-ass!!!

[Jolly McJollyson]

Yngwie all the way. His playing sounds good even when its slow, and his classical influences are really made obvious in his guitar playing...all in all, he rocks.

[Pantallica1]

Azrael, pick up the SpeedKills DVD by Michael Angelo.

He plays a melody on the left hand, and the rips a solo with his right hand, a la stick players.

He also plays harmony's on both the guitars. It's quite nice.

I think technically, Angelo is steps ahead of Yngwie. And Angelo's is way faster than him as well. I actually find most of Angelo's songs tolerable, compared to Yngwie who just bores me.

It's all relative though, opinions are opinions.

Pick up the SpeedKills DVD, it's not only entertaining, because Angelo is hilarious, but it also has a plethora of great exercises.

[andy82]

I must agree I was laughing seeing Angelo for the first time on that clip. Talented bloke.

[aiwass]

Angelo has sh*tty tone...

Seriously, I think Yngwie has better vibrato, better phrasing, and, although not as good as he used to anymore, writes a lot better songs. Musically, Michael Angelo can never touch "Black Star".

Secondly, I don't get why people say Angelo is so damn fast. I know, now you're gonna tell me to listen to "Full Force", but hear me out: Has anyone ever checked him against a metronome? I agree that Full Force is damn fast, but apart from that song, none of his other work is much faster than for instance any of Petrucci's or Yngwie's solos. The Speed Kills opening for instance is not extraordinarily fast in any way. Also, when i listen to Full Force, I realize that it's not as fast as people seem to think. Apart from a small section in the very beginning, none of the solo is 32nd notes. I'm almost certain that 95% of the runs in that song are 16th note sixtuplets. Most people seem to think he's so much faster than everyone else, simply because that's all he does. Not true. George Bellas is a LOT faster than Angelo, but he's also an accomplished musician and composer, and is also an amazing sweeper, as opposed to Angelo, who only plays some basic sweeps when he needs some rest from alternate picking.

[Pantallica1]

I agree Angelo's old tone was not very nice, the newer songs he has put out (Prog) have a much nicer tone.

I disagree on the vibrato and phrasing comment. Angelo has a stellar vibrato. But those are you opinions, I have mine.

As for the metronome. I have tried. He's well over 208bpm on most of the exercises he demonstrates on SpeedKills. And as he's answering questions at the end of his video from students. He answers the one about how fast he can play. He says he doesn't know for sure, but he rips out a lick faster than 208bpm.

As for Angelo's sweeps, far from basic. His broken arpeggio sweeps and his technique is flawless. Go to http://www.mysongbook.com and download the tab for SpeedKills, review it, then see if you agree with yourself.

[aiwass]

Well, Yngwie is known to go WAY above 208 bpm (equivalent of about 14 nps), so I guess that means Angelo isn't necessarily faster than Yngwie. Hell, I've gone above 208 bpm...

As for his sweeps, they whimper in comparison to Jason Becker, Marshall Harrison, Frank Gambale or even George Bellas. He's not bad, but his sweeping is fairly average. The sweeps he does in Speed Kills for instance are mostly just simple minor, major and diminished arpeggios played really fast, sometimes with a tap. It looks cool, and it's hella fast, but sweeps, and especially those that don't climb through different positions, aren't that hard to do fast anyway.

[Pantallica1]

I never said he was better than Becker or Gambale at sweeping. I said he was better than Yngwie.

I don't know how fast Angelo really gets going, the metronome I got stops at 208 and he was playing way faster than that.

Just because a sweep isn't hard to do, doesn't make him less of a guitarist.

[aiwass]

This is not an attack on you, I'm just saying that a lot of people see Angelo as the epitome of guitar technique, and I feel that's unjustified, while many other players utilize much better technique in a more musical (read: "Less circus-like") manner.

In the context of this discussion, I feel that Yngwie would win the guitar duel, given that Angelo promises not to steal cheap points by impressing the audience with his circus acts.

[Pantallica1]

I know it's not an attack, I can have a civilized debate, unlike many others on this board.

I agree with you about other players having more skill and going unnoticed, but that's the way it goes in all walks of life, sports, music, acting. It's just the way it goes.

I feel that Angelo would win, even without the sideshow tricks. Yngwie, (See Also: Diminished run after diminished run) is not as good or as entertaining as Michael Angelo.

But c'mon, you have to admit, being able to shred at insane speeds both left and right handed, or at the same time. Very cool.

[Azrael]

i still dont get whats so special about this "ambidextrousity" ... i mean - take ANY piano or keyboard player - they got the same and much greater skills - noone is saying "wow - he´s playing with both hands" - i know that its pretty difficult from own experience (stick), but with time it becomes natural and easy. so you didnt see me standing infront of angelo´s performance on the musicfair and saying "oh my god" as some of the others did - i watched his 20 minute wanking for like 5 minutes and went off to marico eiras who also played two-handed, but with much more musicality and interresting ideas

[Fruitbat]

er..frankly I dont understand the fixation some posters here have with 'who's the fastest shredder on the planet'. after 20 minute drum solos, metal fretwanking is one of the most yawn inducing things in all music.

[aiwass]

Originally posted by Azrael
i still dont get whats so special about this "ambidextrousity" ... i mean - take ANY piano or keyboard player - they got the same and much greater skills - noone is saying "wow - he´s playing with both hands" - i know that its pretty difficult from own experience (stick), but with time it becomes natural and easy. so you didnt see me standing infront of angelo´s performance on the musicfair and saying "oh my god" as some of the others did - i watched his 20 minute wanking for like 5 minutes and went off to marico eiras who also played two-handed, but with much more musicality and interresting ideas

Indeed. Also, most of his tricks serve a purely visual purpose. Playing lefthanded or from above the neck is completely useless in the studio...

[Pantallica1]

Indeed, he talks about that on the video too. Those are just show tricks and he only does it for show. But it's cool to do and watch and keeps me entertained.

ALOT better than Yngwie and his stupid outfits.

Angelo's stage presence blows Yngwie away. Angelo has the double and quad neck, Yngwie has sequence and rhinestones. Personal preference I guess. But to me I'd much rather watch the quad or double neck.

The Ambidextrious thing is awesome. I think it would be very cool to be able to play both right and left handed. It doesn't serve much purpose, but it would be a nice addition to the aresenal. And to me Az, this doesn't compare to stick playing. Stick playing is more like 2 hand tapping, playing a guitar left handed and then playing right handed is not the same.

[nasum_human]

I'd say angelo, I'm not a fan of endless lightning fast neo classical music though, check out a guy like paul gilbert, he's faster than yngwie and also has an ear for a tune!
James Murphy is my personal guitar god, he writes amazing music, can play like a bastard, and has a tone to DIE for

I thought that Angelo held the record for notes per second at something ludicrous like 43.... but I've probably got it mixed up, and my metronome goes to 240 and he's playing at around that level

[xpayxphonex]

this thread is screwed up

[xpayxphonex]

i am not seeing all the post for some reason but i see most of them. Anyways paul gilbert does sound faster that yngwie and michael angelo. I seen a clip of him playing a guitar solo and towards the end he does these extremely fast alternate picking runs. Its sounds faster than yngwie or michael. His fingers look cooler too. i honestly think paul is better than both. Speed will only get you so far though. Steve Vai my favorite guitarist has speed but he also has alot more. It's going to be interesting seeing yngwie, steve, and joe satch go at it on the G3 tour. I think yngwie's playing will bring out an even more aggressive side of steve and joe's playing which will be very fun to watch.

[Azrael]

Originally posted by Pantallica1
And to me Az, this doesn't compare to stick playing. Stick playing is more like 2 hand tapping, playing a guitar left handed and then playing right handed is not the same.

Of course its the same. only because his two neck are not pointing in the same direction? go watch some real good stick players or piano players.

[aiwass]

I just don't get how some people in this thread (no, I don't mean Pantallica1) can go on about how damn repetitive and boring Yngwie is, how he just plays scales, and then say that Angelo is so inventive and "fresh" sounding. I've heard a lot of both of them, and I really don't see the reasoning behind either argument. Sure, some of Yngwie's newer records have some "wanking" moments, but most of his older stuff is very melodic, even though it's often very fast. Listen to "Black Star", "I am a Viking" and "Blue", and tell me Angelo is more melodic...

So to sum up my contribution to this dreadful thread, I say Yngwie would win, since even an audience made up of non-musicians CAN and WILL actually distinguish between people who have a musical message, and those who are merely poseurs.

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

Aiwass(I keep thinking Hiwatt or Akai)...your spelling of poseur has purity and truth behind...I very much like it.
Anyway...I think yngwie "wins"(for me)simply out of versatility...yeah he "wanks" some similar runs,but overall I find his style more listenable and compelling.Alot of his bluesy runs are pretty inovative and not the usual "box" crap.Angelo has this love ballad feel to him that just isnt my cup of pee...so cliche,but its the ears the music falls on that decides whats appealing.For straight out speed and technical ability?I'd throw a couple hundred on yngwie.It might just be a biased opinion since I think yngwies music rocks and angelos tunes are great to fall asleep to.

[Pantallica1]

Az, it's not the same as a stick!!!!

A stick is comparable to 8 finger tapping with low notes meeting in the middle. And piano playing doesn't compare either. I can play the piano as well.

Imagine this: I purchase 2 pianos, one regular and one opposite, meaning the low keys are on the right end and the higher keys on the left end. Now, we join those pianos in the middle with the high notes connecting in the middle. Now play those. Thats how you would compare playing left and right handed guitars at the same time.

Try picking with your non-dominant hand. Playing a stick is not the same as playing left and right handed. I can tap with my right and left hand at the same time, but I could not turn my guitar over and play anything that would sound good left handed.

As far as Yngwie winning on technical ability, a couple hundred on him, if there was a way to measure it, I would take that bet. If you just watched Angelo play, you would see that he is better than Yngwie technically. Check out the Speed Kills DVD (www.metalmethod.com), if you don't like it at least you'll get some great exercises out of it and you'll get to see him play the doubleneck and explain it.

Yngwie did write some great songs. I love "Black Star" I just think overall Angelo is a better musician. As far as the same stuff over and over, that's just his style. Everyone has their style. Yngwie likes his diminished runs while Angelo prefers other things. Every guitarist has that. One thing they rely on.

[aiwass]

Originally posted by Pantallica1
Try picking with your non-dominant hand. Playing a stick is not the same as playing left and right handed.

There's nothing inherently hard about picking with your non-dominant hand if you practice it. Matthias Eklundh and Steve Morse are both left-handed, but play the same way as right-handed players.

[Azrael]

exactly - there is NO difference no matter how the strings are tuned or where the high and low notes are. that just a matter of a few weeks to getting used to it. a stick is also not tuned like two guitars. the guitar side is tuned in descending fourths while the bass is tuned in ascending fifths. when you grab a stick for the first time in your life you´ll be "WTF???" since you have to get used to play a guitar that has the low strings at the bottom with your left hand while tapping a "normal" guitar with your right hand. it is completely unimportant for that "ambidextrousity" thing how the guitars are tuned and in which direction the necks are pointing. the thing is, that you have to be able to play completely different things with both hands at the same time. and that skill can be learned by virtually everybody in a relatively short amount of time. so i dont see any superhero-powers in angelo´s play. i´d bet my ass off that when you would buy a guitar like angelos, you´ll be able to do the same stuff as he does within no time.

[Edited by Azrael on 09-19-2003 at 12:56 AM]

[aiwass]

Originally posted by Azrael
i´d bet my ass off that when you would buy a guitar like angelos, you´ll be able to do the same stuff as he does within no time.

[Edited by Azrael on 09-19-2003 at 12:56 AM]

...but maybe not at the same speed though :)

[Azrael]

thats just a matter of practice - like everyting else in life

[ketsueki15]

i agre ab out the non dominant hand picking..im left handed and i pick with my right hand becuase my left hand is more cooridnated than the other..i bet on yngwie..just listen to the live and or cd performance of his concerto suite he does have some catchy classical tunes that arnt all shredded although but he sorta does ruin the classical gutiar by shreddin on it. I dont see angelo writing music for over 80 instruments allthough he didnt write the score he still had the idea treansposed

[Evo]

Didn't Vai play a V-shaped double guitar in the early 80's shaped like a love heart?

What the hell is a stick or stick playing?

I'd go with Yngwie simply because although he's arrogant he doesn't do all the stupid stuff angelo does. I've watched clips of angelo on the speedkills thing and when he does the upside down hand thing and when he's tremolo picking and playing notes with his left arm then retreating it quickly back to his side and then repeating it just looks silly and it's not a useful technique.

Isn't playing about getting the music out of your soul and onto a cd, not practicing circus tricks all day?

[Azrael]

Originally posted by Evo

What the hell is a stick or stick playing?


http://www.stick.com

[chris mood]

So how is the stick coming, Az?

[Pantallica1]

Originally posted by Evo

Isn't playing about getting the music out of your soul and onto a cd, not practicing circus tricks all day?

What if you can get the music out of your soul and onto a cd and do it by playing circus tricks? Then what?

It's just a visual effect. Imagine going to a concert where there were no pyrotechnics or lights or anything. Just a band on a stage with thousands of people in the audience. It might be cool to some, but the presence might not be there.

Michael Angelo performing circus tricks while playing is like asking why a dog licks his own balls.

BECAUSE HE CAN!

[Azrael]

Originally posted by chris mood
So how is the stick coming, Az?

i´m making steady progress - sadly i cant spend as much time on it as i´d like to.

[Evo]

Haha, I see your point.

I guess you can only get so good technically till there's nowhere else to go so he starts learning fancy tricks.

I was just saying that he oughta spend more of his time making good music than practicing tricks. He might be able to blow my mind with his technical skills but I don't own any of his cd's.

[u10ajf]

It's heartening to hear what you have to say about ambidexterity Azrael. I agree that people don't go "OH my god" when they see a pianist play with both hands, but on the other hand it does probably require more accuracy to hit strings in the right place compared to a piano key. I prefer Malmsteem to Michael Angelo but I've only seen one Angelo clip and heard one other track. The clip made me sick! He was floated into the arena on wires with this ridiculous 4 neck guitar, and the music before the solo was the pits, total cliched cross dressing hair metal with awful lyrics. Personally I totally envy the guys technique but then I've never had a double neck and don't know what i couldn't do it given some practice. i've been trying to learn to play right handedly and find that picking with my left (non-dominant) hand is really hard.

Anyway, what's the difference between war guitar and chapman stick? What's best?

I think you guys should check out Adam Fulura's website. he's on this forum sometimes and he's extremely talented. He plays a double neck with both necks pointing the same way and both strung conventionally I think. He plays classical music and stuff like the maple leaf rag. I'd rather listen to him than Michael Angelo any day.

Is it really true that it doesn't matter how the necks are arranged? Surely there are pros and cons to each orientation? Can anyone tell me what they are? I want a double neck or a chapman stick or something.

Actually i suspect that several people on this forum whip very very major butt and are probably up there with all the big names we seem regularly to revere. I'm sure many of you could eat me alive both as technical players and (more especially) as musicians even though I spend hours every day practicing and virtually never play anything that is easy by ordinary standards.

Personally I'd love to be able to do the 2 handed thing so I could play big chorusy chords with close intervals just like pianists do, I think it sounds wonderful. I think that having a greater variety of potential harmonies and greater part independence and not fret wanking are the holy grails of tapping. Tapping's kind of cheating anyway: isn't it easier to allocate a different part to each hand than it is to do what classical players do and split parts across each hand? Classical players have to know the fretboard so well to make things physically playable, neoclassical players can cheat cause the electric guitar's so damn easy to play by comparison.

[Death55]

Dont bother judging angelo if u have only seen one clip of him play. Also playing a piano is completly different to playing a right handed guitar and a left handed guitar at the same guitar ! I dont just think the fact that he can play two guitars at once makes him better,i think the fact that he can shred and it still sounds good makes him a very good guitarist and anyone who says "he only ever shreds" their wrong cuz if u actually take some time to listen to his stuff then u would realize that he plays some great slow stuff too.

[sambob]

I have so say I'm agreeing with Azrael here, Michael Angelo is boring, end of story.

And yes, I've seen him play (both on video and up close). He's very talented, but he's boring!

When people ask me which Michael Angelo album they should buy, the answer is always "No Boundries". Once you've heard that, you've heard everything he has to offer.

And I don't see how you can even compare Yngwie's and Angelo's stage presence.

They both need to get a haircut (or in Angelos case, get a new piece) and stop dressing like its 1985.

And as far as the actual composition goes...just because Michael Angelo is playing a thousand notes per minute doesn't mean its all that complex. He even admits it himself, all his playing is is a few short patterns played over and over again combined. And he's not really faster than Yngwie either. Even a lot of Yngwie fans haven't really heard him play in the last few years. Check out his latest studio album, or better yet... check out his tracks on Derek Sherinian's newest album "Black Utopia". Yngwie's solo on the first track "The Fury" is the absolute fastest I've ever heard, and (this is impressive even by yngwie's standards), he picks it all, rather than doing his usuall half-assed combination of every legato and picking style known to man.
"
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. "

You didn't say that, it was Michael Angelo, talking about himself!

Of course it doesn't really matter, they're both pretty silly.

[hairbndrckr]

I just like Angelo myself. His music IS more interesting than a bunch of Harmonic Minor runs played over and over again. Also as a person he is a much nicer individual than Yngwie. I have had the pleasure of meeting both.

Also as far as Angelo's writing ability I have heard some beautiful music from him. He has a few nice acoustic pieces out there.

[Death55]

well said hairbndrckr. Sambob, the fact that u say that angelo's music is boring after u have heard no boundries is only a personal opinion and malmasteen may be able to play fast in "fury", which btw i thought was actually derek playing that solo !! Angelo can play fast for well over half a minute which he demonstrates in "full force" which i think is a better example of good shredding. Anyway , i have talked to angelo and he is a cool guy too :)

[sambob]

I think you misunderstood what I said.

I just said that yngwie CAN play that fast.

And I own all of Michael Angelo's albums, I've heard all of his work (I even have the Nitro album, in fact, i even have a couple of bootlegs from a few bands in which he did not play the guitar, but SANG). Of course I inherited most of them, but I still have them and I've listened to them.

And really, what scales do you think michael angelo plays over? Natural and harmonic minor, the same ones that 90% of all neoclassical shredders never deviate from.

Of course, I think both Yngwie and Angelo overplay, just too much, they should have more keyboard solos and less guitar.

If you've ever heard Michael Harris you'll find this quote rather funny "I think Yngwie overplays too much"

[Azrael]

u10ajf:

Chapmanstick and warr-guitar are both touchstyle instruments. they both look and sound differnt. its up to personal preference i guess. the thing is, that on a warr you can also use a normal picking technique as far as i´ve seen. the stick is easier accessible for there is no body in the way and it is playid in an upright position, making it easier for the right hand to access the fretboard without oddly twisting it.

if you are realy into touchstyle, i strongly recommend one of the genuine touchstyle instruments ( i posted alot of links in the places to go-section ) for the strings have a different tension, thus making it easier to tap them compared to a regular guitar. but TRY them first. there is no such thing as a 150 bucks Squier-Stick. dont buy it unless you know what you are doing for it is pretty damn expensive.

i personally think, that the stick was one of the best investments i did this far.

[Jolly McJollyson]

Originally posted by Azrael
I personally think, that the stick was one of the best investments i did this far.

Ok, I'm really sorry, Azrael, but I am a grammar nut. The actual phrase is "thus far." And I'm so sorry for being a bitch about it, but being meticulous about grammar is just a thing I have.

[Edited by Jolly McJollyson on 11-29-2003 at 11:16 AM]

[aiwass]

Isn't it "meticulous ABOUT grammar"?

Also, never start a sentence with "And..." :D

[sambob]

Also is English even his first language?

[aiwass]

Not my first language either, but...

Anyway, let's either stay on topic, or refrain from posting. BS'ing is a waste of server space.

[Jolly McJollyson]

Originally posted by aiwass
Also, never start a sentence with "And..." :D

Starting a sentence with a conjunction has become fairly widely accepted if you refrain from doing it all the time. And yes, it IS "Meticulous about grammar"...****...

[SymphonyX]

Hello, I'm new here. I just happened to stumble across this forum while google searching for the tab of the Michael Angelo song "Yngwie can't touch this" and i honestly laughed my ass off when seeing this topic. But after reading almost every post...I noticed everyone had their opinions on Angelo and Malmsteen. I honestly don't think you can compare speed with melodic structure, however there's one guitarist i don't believe anyone mentioned who i believe can honestly do both. Michael Romeo, of the band Symphony X, can phrase better and can play faster than either Angelo or Malsteen if you ask me. And to think that the student surpassed the teacher (being that Angelo taught Romeo). Michael Romeo is my favorite guitarist and if you really want to see a good instructional video with awesome exercises, you should check out his Guitar Chapter video. The greatest thing about Romeo to me, is that along with being a guitar mastermind, he can compose symphonies into his music. If you ever want to hear a masterpiece by the band Symphony X, pick up their newest album "The Odyssey" where their final song on the album is a 24 minute masterpiece, that totally surpasses Angelo's or Yngwie's melodic composition. I saw them last nigt perform at the Galaxy in Santa Ana and I must say, it was the best damn show i've been to in about 4 years. So anyway, if you want to hear a guitarist with speed, precision, and high grade theory composition, check out Michael Romeo and his band Symphony X.

My Top Ten favorite guitarists:

Michael Romeo
Paul Gilbert
Michael Angelo
Chris Impellitteri
Uli Jon Roth
Stanley Jordan
John Petrucci
Yngwie Malmsteen
Gary Hoey
Steve Lukather

[Jolly McJollyson]

Michael Romeo does come up every once in a while in people's lists of their favorite guitarists. I've never heard him before, but I'll be sure to check him out now.

[aiwass]

If I'm not mistaken, Angelo never taught Romeo, but Romeo learned a lot from Angelo's instrucional videos. Either that, or he to like one or two lessons from him at a guitar store.

Anyway, I try to mention Romeo as often as possble on this forum. His technique, tone (on the old albums at least) and sense of melody are just awesome, not to mention that he's one of the greatest songwriters I've ever heard. The orchestration on "The Odyssey" alone is enough to make me crap my pants...

[SymphonyX]

Yeah sorry my mistake, Romeo was inspired by Angelo's Star Licks vid, I was thinking of Tom Morello who was his student.

[Azrael]

no - english is not my first language. but feel free to correct me, Mr. Grammar-king.

[ketsueki15]

sure...never start a sentence with "but". I think Yngwie would win personally..IMHO i think Angelo's music is boring. I like Micheal Romeo's music but i dont think hes the greatest.

[Death55]

I think Micheal Romeo is a good guitarist from what i have heard from symphony X. Just thinking about how simple and boring Tom Morello is. I dont understand how he could be so rubbish after being taught by angelo.

[aiwass]

Morello used to be into shred. Now he likes to make weird noises by unplugging his guitar cable, sticking it up his bum and manipulating the signal with a whammy pedal.

[Death55]

I bet angelo is really disapointed with morello !

[Zeppelin]

I bet not.
Tom Morello can shred, but guitar playing is not about shredding only. He doesnt shred because he has no reason to. RATM was a really good band both live and in studio and they didnt need super fast solos to sound good. I dont like the whole "i can make guitar noises with my asshole" kind of soloing, but tom morello's playing in ratm wasnt about that only. Hes a great rhythm player, he writes good riffs and theres no place or need in fast solos in his songs.

[Death55]

You may think his riffs are good but they are simple. I dont think much of his soloing either. I agree that you dont have to shred to be good but he could at least make the solo's a bit more technical !

[Raskolnikov]

Some of Morello's early "Jazzy" solos are some of the most tasteful I've ever heard.

I think he does write good riffs, but he also tends to stick to a formula that has been kinda old since Evil Empire.

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

Tom is not a bad player by any means,but he is limited and very overated(due to other peoples lack of exposure).

I could sit down with a chrome slide and my whammy bar and crap out his 'unique' style.And has anyone heard about some sorta etcha-sketch type thing he has that he almost draws out his solos on???Just a rumor...but that would be extremley cheesy.

I would like to see the process he writes his stuff in.

Later! \m/

[sambob]

Morello's 'jazz' playing is nothing. The chording is about as generic as any jazz progression I could think of. The playing is always over one mode all the time, nothing spectacular.

[Raskolnikov]

Originally posted by chucklivesoninmyheart
Tom is not a bad player by any means,but he is limited and very overated(due to other peoples lack of exposure).
When Les Claypool says that most people haven't even begun to hear what the man can do on a guitar, I take his word for it. Yeah, we haven't heard him do anything too terribly groundbreaking on an album, but if you care to listen to the word drifting out from the back stage area, the man's an absolute monster.

On a final note, I never said those jazz solos were revolutionary, complicated or difficult, I said they were tasteful.

[TheDirt]

"Michael Romeo is a god."
- anonymous, off another guitar forum

I second that motion!

[Death55]

I just downloaded a few vids of michael romeo playing some of symphony x solo's last night. He is really good and the guitar he uses looks just like mine :)

[Starjammer]

This Italian guy's pretty fast...

http://www.francescofareri.com/main.htm

Go to the video section and download the 1:42 "Guitar Solo".

Impressive stuff.

[aiwass]

He also has ZERO songwriting or improvisational skills, can NOT play slow, NO sense of melody, and a practically nonexistent vibrato.

Besides, I've heard him play with a clean sound (as opposed to his regular hyper-distorted, over-processed/compressed sound), and he ain't hitting half of those notes.

Let me recommend something... a little more refined :D:

http://www.georgebellas.com

[Yngtchie Blacksteen]

Originally posted by xpayxphonex
who do you think would win a guitar duel michael angelo or yngwie. I'm not sure. Both are good.
A guitar duel? Please, grow up!

[Zeppelin]

Originally posted by aiwass
He also has ZERO songwriting or improvisational skills, can NOT play slow, NO sense of melody, and a practically nonexistent vibrato.

Besides, I've heard him play with a clean sound (as opposed to his regular hyper-distorted, over-processed/compressed sound), and he ain't hitting half of those notes.

Let me recommend something... a little more refined :D:

http://www.georgebellas.com

Whom are you talking about?

[Yngtchie Blacksteen]

Originally posted by Zeppelin
[QUOTE]

Whom are you talking about?

George Bellas, guitarist in Ring Of Fire. Before that, he talked **** about Francesco.

[aiwass]

I was referring to Francesco Fareri. Then I suggested George Bellas as a far superior player in the same genre.

[sambob]

I must correct you on that..

George Bellas was guitarist for Ring of Fire for ONE album (not even one of their best albums by any means..). Their full time guitarist, both in the studio and on tour (and I'm assuming one of the big songwriters in the band), is the legendary Tony Macalpine.

But I do agree with you on George Bellas, he beats the pants off Francesco Fareri - although, they play totally different styles, I find them hard to compare.

On a side note, I have Francesco Fareri's album (I was pretty impressed with him after that Jemfest UK hype, and had high hopes he was going to be as cool as the US Jemfest's big guy, Rusty Cooley), and I can't say that its even slightly good at all. The production is terrible, and the songwriting (the few melodies you can identify) are the same, on each song (or very very similiar). But, more importantly, about the only thing you can hear during ever entire song is 16th triplets at some ungodly speed (usually for several minutes).

[Zeppelin]

Originally posted by aiwass
I was referring to Francesco Fareri. Then I suggested George Bellas as a far superior player in the same genre.

Ah.. i thought we were still talking about Michael Romeo
Stupid me :\

[Yngtchie Blacksteen]

Originally posted by sambob
I must correct you on that..

George Bellas was guitarist for Ring of Fire for ONE album (not even one of their best albums by any means..). Their full time guitarist, both in the studio and on tour (and I'm assuming one of the big songwriters in the band), is the legendary Tony Macalpine.
Dude, I know that, come on. I was just saying what band he played in.

[sambob]

Thats fine, I just wanted to make sure people were well informed about hi.

[Yngtchie Blacksteen]

Oh, I get it, good thinking.:cool:

[aiwass]

As for the original topic of this thread... I think Stephan Forté smokes them both.

[Blondie.dk]

I love both Yngwie and Michale Angelo Batio. But currently I'm mostly (read totally) into MAB. He blows my mind, both with his technique and his music. He's so diverse, combining Rock, Metal, Jazz and Neo Classical stuff in his music. Just awesome.
He's funny, he's smart and he's very nice.
He invented the Double Axe, Steve Vai has "admitted" that he copied it from MAB and that he wasn't very good at it.
OH... and MAB is an excellent piano player too.

If anyone want's to check out his forum, then You'll be more than welcome. We are very nice over there ;) http://deb13.proboards31.com/index.cgi

Blondie
MAB, Street Team

[Blondie.dk]

For more info on Michael Angelo Batio check out his website


http://www.midwestentertainers.net/assets/images/BossMorleybanner.jpg
(http://www.angelo.com)

[3rd_degreeburn]

the whole double neck thing to me is a gimmick...its like a trick to show off
piano players are basically doing the same thing but faster but dont get the same hype as MAB does

[BMG_SKULK]

Since this thing is about 20 pages long...haven't read all the responses yet.

My two cents...

Yngwie...though...not double handed playing wise...and who knows?...
maybe slower by a fraction of a note per second if they were to get
ridiculous and actually have a speed setting record...

Yngwie has written far far better MUSIC.

His melodies and overall compositional skills are 10 times
that of Angelo's. End of argument.

I like 'em both...but Yngwie is a far better Guitarist and Musician...IMHO.

Actually, I like MacAlpine better than either one of 'em.

If you have listened to Mac's entire catalogue, you know he's
just as fast as Angelo...and writes actual melodies as well.
Plus the guy just plays...perfect. Every note, every bend, vibrato,
is spot on.

Also, he would smoke Angelo on the keyboards/Piano.
Don't think MA even plays keyboards...much more difficult instrument
than Guitar. MacAlpine is a Concert Quality Pianist...

[Blondie.dk]

I Love speed, but all those players are so damn fast that I think it's silly to argue about whose faster.

The doubleaxe is a gimmick, like swinging the guitar around the neck or throwing it up in the air or burning it. Looks cool on stage :cool:

Compostions... some times I'm in the mood for Yngwies music, sometime for MABs. These days more MAB ;)
It all come down to taste and can't be stated as a fact!!!

MAB is a very skilled keyboard/piano played. As good as Macalpine... I don't know :confused:

[guitarhero05]

i agree with blondie. they both play at the speed of light. kinda different styles though as yngwie seems to always go classical and what i have head of batio, he tends to mix it up a little more.

[3rd_degreeburn]

sorry man if you consider yngwie classical then you haven't heard much classical music.. Using the same pedal point and harmonic minor /phyrigian scale/mode doesnt make him classical.( not saying you said he did) I would agree that his concerto album isnt bad and he played it very well live, I just have a hard time considering him to be classical when his music is nothing like the other classical artists out there.. Example: Chopin, Bach, ect. ( I dont exactly know if you would consider chopin a classical pianist or not though)

[Cryptic Excretions]

Musically they're both equally monotonous

[alucard0941]

none

both are overrated...

[guitarhero05]

ah, i believe you are right, yngwie is not a classical musician. i merely meant that he had heavy classical influences in his playing as he does say that himself. i just went to a vai concert last night however, and i think that vai is by far more versatile then either yngwie or batio. but i guess that is just a personal preference as vai does always sound like himself which i do not think is exactly a bad thing...... it is good to have your own voice on guitar.

[alucard0941]

BUT!!

i do belive if in a guitar duel, Batio could mop the floor with Malmsteen.
There are millions of people like Malmsteen now, so I guess Malmsteen isnt the best neo-classical guitarist.

[Jolly McJollyson]

( I dont exactly know if you would consider chopin a classical pianist or not though)
Technically he's a romantic, but most people today lump all the genres into "classical" because they don't know anything.

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

Muhammed suizmez...kicks both of them and takes their lunch money.This guy composes the most technical yet still melodic metal.Its death metal,but still.Most inventive licks and riffs too.He is chuck shuldiner reincarnated with uber soloing.
everything he does is perfection.

Necrophagist!

[CW14]

I hate both Yngwie's and Micheal Angelo's music. I have no preference between them.

In a dual however, I reckon Angelo could smoke Yngwie.

[Blondie.dk]

One little kid to the other: "My daddy can beat Your daddy"
The other kid: "Big deal... as can my mommy"

:D :D :D

[jk_647]

How can you compare two such amazing versatile guitarists two one an other
they both can play incredibly fast there is no doubt about that what so ever, but who can play faster you ask.... who knows. But one thing is definatly for sure as amazing as MA is he does shred for shred sake alot of the time, where as yngwie plays alot more musicaly and i think, is alot more musical and still to this day plays alot better than the new shrdders that play fast wheather it be good or bad yngwie will alwyas have somehtign over the rest he just has that egde about him like vai and satch they are just soo cool nobody can compare as good as they are. But people will alwyas have favourtie guitarists and diffrent opinions yngwie is definatly not my favourite guitarists but better than Mr.Angelo
in my opinon!!!
Jk

[BMG_SKULK]

This Italian guy's pretty fast...

http://www.francescofareri.com/main.htm

Go to the video section and download the 1:42 "Guitar Solo".

Impressive stuff.

I watched several of his videos...and listened to some mp3's of
this guy, both on his own CD's and as a Guest on others.

I'm going to be nice and just say....this guy is not my cup o' tea.

I can play the same exercises over and over until they become a blur.

There is not much...MUSIC in this guy's playing.

Just my view...go get your own.

As for this Micheal Romeo Symphony X.

I'm windowed at their site...listening to Inferno...

Uh...any recommends for this guy?

Thanks...

[BMG_SKULK]

Technically he's a romantic, but most people today lump all the genres into "classical" because they don't know anything.
You are correct...nice to know I'm not the only guy with too much time
on his hands.

[Jolly McJollyson]

You are correct...nice to know I'm not the only guy with too much time on his hands.
Like Styx?

Hey, don't confuse a thirst for knowledge with too much time on one's hands.

[Jolly McJollyson]

I agree, BMG Skulk. Not much music in Fareri's playing. Wish I could play that fast, if only for the reason that I would have so many more options open to me.

[BMG_SKULK]

Listening to Communion and the Oracle.

Least they have a sense of ebb and flow...

Not my fave style.

Reminds me of that Chic Great Kat...although the melodies are much
better defined...and the Guitars have a good tone.

But it's like they have taken violin or orchestra music, and simply
applied to keyboards and guitars.

Not the same style or genre as Yngwie...who composed his own
music but with the guitar in mind from the beginning...not injecting
little runs here and there on top of elevator-music like renditions of
"Classical" music.

This guy have any solo stuff...ie. no singer...etc.?

I'll take MacAlpine, Lynch, Vai, Satriani, and Malmsteen against
anyone else mentioned here.[/posting in this thread]

[Fretfire]

After reading all these post, I realized one thing, as Blondie.dk says it:" I Love speed, but all those players are so damn fast that I think it's silly to argue about whose faster. It all come down to taste and can't be stated as a fact!!! "

I love Michael and Yngwie, both are exceptional and super fast, Im a fan of both, but I think Yngwie has an edge, If ever they will have a duel ala Crossroads, Yngwie will win IF Michael wont strut His circus acts, and just base on sheer speed and most of all Musical sense. Anyway I downloaded and bought the videos of all the other players mentioned here is what Ive observed.

Francesco Fareri- "He also has ZERO songwriting or improvisational skills, can NOT play slow, NO sense of melody, and a practically nonexistent vibrato.
Besides, I've heard him play with a clean sound (as opposed to his regular hyper-distorted, over-processed/compressed sound), and he ain't hitting half of those notes.-aiwass" I 100% agree, just a pure wanker, any shredder can play at that speed coz its just mindless finger flapping.

Rusty Cooley - Very good technique, but worse songwritting and besides He feels tense in the video, His arms are locking and If you know how to read body language It seems he is just showboating by really playing as fast as he could and trying to show to every one he's the fastest shredder. Sorry Rusty you cant fake it, youre not the fastest.

George Bellas-- Awesome player, great technique, controlled speed. very fast but knows when to use speed and not being out of control all the time like Rusty and Francesco. ( Download his videos to see my point : http://www.georgebellas.com )

Michael Romeo--Very melodic player, fast but not fast enough compared to Yngwie and Michael Angelo. But still Michael Romeo is extra ordinary.

Michael Angelo-- Simply fantastic player, He's on the top 5 fastest ever, but definitely not the fastest, His advantage is showmanship, playing both hands at the same time, Its so amusing to watch, When I download Speedkills (the old ones) I was impressed not with the music but by the showmanship and I also laugh myself out by his looks. I love him for that, it gives me inspiration and comic relief when I feel blue. But in fairness to his music, Its far more better than Rusty and Francesco Fareri.Listen to Full Force and Prog its great but not In the level of Malmsteen.

Yngwie Malmsteen --- Ive read comments from poeple that he's boring and repetitive, but to every comment you should have an open mind and check it for yourself whether its true or not to be fair, so I download two of his songs namely: Black Star and the Trilogy Suite 5 video. I dont find it boring but I was really blown away by those songs, very powerful and a spectacular display of speed and virtousity. He can play slow and very fast but still create beautiful passages and maintain control over speed, very clear crisp picking even distorted, you can hear the notes picked. Even Steve Vai once said that Yngwie is on top of the heap when it comes to speed picking, It's coming from Vai so I dont take it for granted. Plus Yngwie Malmsteen COULD be the fastest IF he wants too, he just dont fully show his top notch speed, coz according to him he maintains his speed at a "Normal level" so that it is still listenable, see my point. There's a big difference in being fast and trying to play fast.......Yngwie is very fast coz he is really fast while Rusty Cooley, Fareri or sometimes even Michael plays their song really fast because they are trying to be the fast for speeds sake. In conclusion its really music that matters not speed alone. See....Rusty Cooley is fast, but he is not god..............Hendrix, Page, Vai and Malmsteen is god, Why..because Its music that matters most. PEACE.