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Tele Master
09-03-2003, 05:58 PM
What, in general, is the essential gear needed for a certain type of music?

For example, A Les Paul is closely related with the Marshall amp for rock/punk.

Include pedals, hair due, "image" anything you can think of.

(Rock,Grunge,Punk,Country,Progressive Rock,etc., etc.)

chucklivesoninmyheart
09-03-2003, 06:59 PM
hmmm...well I'm a death/thrash/black metal nut so...

EMG 81 pickups
Mean looking axes(B.C rich e.c.t)
Marshall JCM800's,Mesa triple rec's
Rocktron effects
Long hair and leather jackets

your ready to kill!

Incidents Happen
09-03-2003, 07:41 PM
I don't buy the whole image crap, therefore I don't do it.

This is my rig;

Gibson Les Paul Double Cutaway + ->
POD XT->
POD XT Floorboard->
Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb
---------------------------

The only effects I use are Delay, Overdrive, and Distortion (and i rarely use them; I go for the clean sound); I will add an envelope filter to that list when I get my new custom guitar, however; I do something very rare; I play lead guitar with no effects on, usually; I've now accomplished an entire gig without doing flashy, non-musical crap, which I'm pleased with; Most guitarists fill their solos with meaningless flash, for no reason other than to impress people who are musical idiots. I don't agree with that.

I decided against getting the Vetta II, I tried it out at my music store; It was great, but it wasn't 'me', if you know what I mean. Now I'm considering checking out the Roland Amp Series; They are the best amps in the world, considered by Jazz Musicians. The unmolested tone is the reason why, apparently.

Roland Amps aren't too expensive, I'd have the luxury of having both a Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb Tube Amp, and a Roland Solid State amp; Two great amps!

~Incidents

ketsueki15
09-03-2003, 08:26 PM
i like yngwie's concerto sound which probly is the same as on other cds but i dont think i can achieve that through my bc rich..i would like to get a scalloped neck cuz i like the feel and some dmarrzio (sp?) pick ups but i figure i might as well buy another guitar instead of doin all that to my bc

Slow Diver
09-04-2003, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by Incidents Happen


I've now accomplished an entire gig without doing flashy, non-musical crap, which I'm pleased with; Most guitarists fill their solos with meaningless flash, for no reason other than to impress people who are musical idiots. I don't agree with that.



I know here is not the place, but can you explain a bit further what you mean?
You mean, you don't shred, don't do double hands, don't do arpeggios, or what?

chucklivesoninmyheart
09-04-2003, 07:48 AM
I think he might be talking about stuff like huge phasing and delay to fill the solo or bridge e.c.t

Kevin Taylor
09-04-2003, 08:17 AM
... or like a guitar competition I saw recently.
One guy comes out with long blond hair down to his waist, and does this huge solo with all kinds of jumping around on stage, dive bombing on the whammy bar, and Beavis & Butthead head banging. Lights flashing and everything.

Right after him comes a guy with a cowboy hat and no effects on his guitar and basically blows everybody away with real talent. All the techniques of a great guitarist, mixing it up with hammer-ons, pull-offs, inventive bends, chord playing, rhythm playing, two handed tapping etc..

Then at the very end, he throws on his overdrive, does a huge divebomb, jumps up and bangs his head up and down and totally does an imitation of the first guy.
Not just talented but totally hilarious.

Incidents Happen
09-04-2003, 09:24 PM
I know here is not the place, but can you explain a bit further what you mean?
You mean, you don't shred, don't do double hands, don't do arpeggios, or what?

My theory is that if the audience were blind, would they like it? Many of you move around onstage alot, and this is where I ask you "How does it feel?" if you were to play in front of a blind audience, suddenly realizing that your stage persona doesn't mean ****, how does it feel/?. I imagine it would feel like getting neutered or something horrible like that, because, Oh no! You have to rely on talent!.

ice9
09-05-2003, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by Incidents Happen

I know here is not the place, but can you explain a bit further what you mean?
You mean, you don't shred, don't do double hands, don't do arpeggios, or what?

My theory is that if the audience were blind, would they like it? Many of you move around onstage alot, and this is where I ask you "How does it feel?" if you were to play in front of a blind audience, suddenly realizing that your stage persona doesn't mean ****, how does it feel/?. I imagine it would feel like getting neutered or something horrible like that, because, Oh no! You have to rely on talent!.


apparently he hasnt heard of steve vai.
I think people automatically feel threatened by someone with long hair and chops because it takes them back to a time when being a guitar hero meant something and todays guitarist are far from being know as guitar heros and it offends them.
Im all about substance over image.The best guitarist in the world is bald:-) ......satriani
Hes the best whether the people are blind or not.

The Other One
09-06-2003, 12:35 AM
Hmm....i think what Incidents is saying is that the image is not what makes a MUSICian its the music (DUH!)....but i don't think that just 'cause guitarists are huge image buffs doesn't mean they lack talent....my fav guitarist Jimi Hendrix was the lord of it all....of course with Jerry Garcia it also proves that your image doesn't need to belong into music so....ok im arguing with myself crap i gotta stop this man i cant decide....ugh i wont be talkin much on here cuz im all busy with school and stuff like that... ok just wanted to say something before i have to go back to the depths of never never land....:p c u all a round

PonyOne
09-06-2003, 01:04 AM
I don't "look" crap like a "guitarist"...

I'm 6'2, I weigh about 200-210 lbs and am heavily muscled. I've been told I look like a combo of Patrick Swayze, James Dean, and Elvis, and I have short hair (NO!). I don't have any tattoos, nor do I have any piercings. I wear either a pair of big rockstar Doc Marten 14-hole steel toed boots, but, aside from levis and t-shirts, my wardrobe also consists of button up shirts, ties, Puma/Adidias athletic-ish crap, etc. I guess the Jewish thing doesn't help any... but I was born in Seattle, like Jimi Hendrix and Kurt Cobain and Jerry Cantrell...

I can also play pretty much any style... I don't really know how to tap, and I don't have whammys on any of my guitars, but I do LOTS of inventive bending, hammer-ons, pull-offs, alternate picking, sweeping, chord/rythm playing, etc. I can do it with screaming death metal distortion or without, with or without wah or reverb or chorus...

I'm not a chord dictionary, and I'm not that big on theory, though I'm trying to get more into it. But I can play, and I can play well. Being a musician is all about talent, palin and simple. Being a guitarist is about being able to PLAY YOUR GUITAR.

With that out of the way... I've noticed that to be taken seriously as a "guitar god" you have to have

-long hair
-an Ibanez or Jackson, with EMG's, with something airbrushed on it
-Marshall stack(s)
-tight leather pants
-an atrocious attitude toward non-metalheads

to be an emo guitarist you have to have

-late 70's-early 80's style hair
-an old trashy Gibson Melody maker or Silvertone, or, a new, costly LP or Strat
-any amp, as long as it's not a Marshall
-tight jeans and a striped shirt
-whimper, bitch, whine, cry, and be snotty toward anyone who doesn't like Sunny Day Real Estate

more later... dinner is being served... Shabbat Shalom...

PonyOne
09-06-2003, 01:07 AM
oh and Incidents... again, you heed advice well... :) the JC120 is the bee's knees. I want three amps: my JC120, a Mesa Dual Recto Road King, and a vintage Vox AC30TB.

If you go and try out a JC120, be sure to check out the chorus on it.... the reverb is pretty awesome but the chorus on that amp is the best in the world, I swear...

Also, try out an AC30, but be ready to get your wallet out.

Hootayah
09-06-2003, 05:49 AM
I wonder if we'd ever have heard the name Eddie Van Halen if he'd been a fat bald guy. Or AC/DC wearing suits and ties with short hair and glasses.
In this business, if you want to make it HUGE, then 50% of your appeal is your image. Nobody would give Britney Spears a second glance if she looked like my grandmother. And they wouldn't listen to her cause she sounds like my grandmother.
And I'm still willing to bet that the only reason Satriani shaves his head is cause he's got a receeding hair line and doesn't want anybody to know it.

ice9
09-06-2003, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by Hootayah
I wonder if we'd ever have heard the name Eddie Van Halen if he'd been a fat bald guy. Or AC/DC wearing suits and ties with short hair and glasses.
In this business, if you want to make it HUGE, then 50% of your appeal is your image. Nobody would give Britney Spears a second glance if she looked like my grandmother. And they wouldn't listen to her cause she sounds like my grandmother.
And I'm still willing to bet that the only reason Satriani shaves his head is cause he's got a receeding hair line and doesn't want anybody to know it.

Thats probably true but what also sets satriani apart from the "metal gods" is his humble attitude toward most other musicians.I realize that 80s guitar isnt cool anymore but what is cool is that most of the more talented humble 80s guitar wizards still make music and sell records today without any mtv coverage or videos,
proving its always been talent over image for these guys.Not all are worthy of that statement but a rare few.
And beleive it or not I am glad that its about talent over image for these guys now.
I saw someone posted that guitar tricks are to impress the non musician.Thats total bs because you cant just overnight do some of that stuff.I agree its not what makes up a good song but comeon now that was a low blow for someone to say proly because they cant do it themselves.
Usually the people who complaine about fast guitar playing cant do it so they automatically blast it.
Its all jealousy.I think a lot of metal players go overboard with tricks because they can and its almost like a secret language between metal players or a rite of passage.If you dont like that music then fine but dont say that its non musical.

chucklivesoninmyheart
09-06-2003, 08:50 AM
Theres talent over image nowadays???HuH??
The whole "rock scene" is more talentless then ever!
The 80's was the foundation(a matured foundation)for all the metal,rock,grind e.c.t.Back then they had image,but they had talent.Now you have bands with a "gimmick" image,and no talent(slipknot,mudvayne e.c.t).

If I was playing in front of blind people,I would still headbang.Whether people are looking or not dosnt take away the drive of the music.Thats just involuntary reflex to an awsome riff.
But there is that kind of "show" image(marylin manson).That kind of image is relied on for record sales,popularity e.c.t.

Youll here 1 of 4 things after a concert.

1.Those guys can play!(or somthing to that effect)

2.They put on a great "show"!

3.They sucked monkey balls!

4.Dude,I groped some girls t*ts!!!

Eh,I'm done
Later! \m/

The Other One
09-06-2003, 01:03 PM
I know what you are saying and it is true how most rock these days is image-ridden and talentless...i actually like Mudvayne and System of a Down though :)...there not like all those alt-rock bands that sound exactly the same....

ice9
09-06-2003, 05:42 PM
I think you misunderstood me.I meant to say talent over image for the 80s guitar guys who make music today not for all these wannabe guitarist of todays hip music scene.Originally posted by chucklivesoninmyheart
Theres talent over image nowadays???HuH??
The whole "rock scene" is more talentless then ever!
The 80's was the foundation(a matured foundation)for all the metal,rock,grind e.c.t.Back then they had image,but they had talent.Now you have bands with a "gimmick" image,and no talent(slipknot,mudvayne e.c.t).

If I was playing in front of blind people,I would still headbang.Whether people are looking or not dosnt take away the drive of the music.Thats just involuntary reflex to an awsome riff.
But there is that kind of "show" image(marylin manson).That kind of image is relied on for record sales,popularity e.c.t.

Youll here 1 of 4 things after a concert.

1.Those guys can play!(or somthing to that effect)

2.They put on a great "show"!

3.They sucked monkey balls!

4.Dude,I groped some girls t*ts!!!

Eh,I'm done
Later! \m/

Incidents Happen
09-06-2003, 07:28 PM
I don't understand the Shred-Fetish that half of this board seems to be on; Can someone explain why guitarists have the need to shred like crazy? There is a reason that the 80's ended, you know.

~Incidents

Who happens to considers Django Reinhardt to be the best guitarist that ever lived, and not Satch.

The Other One
09-06-2003, 11:04 PM
theyre both great but as you all know for me i say Jimi and Jerry are the best.period.

Slow Diver
09-07-2003, 05:26 AM
I actually CAN shred: chromatic scale up to 240bpm, scales - up to 170 bpm. And I still consider it non musical and I avoid doing it when playing with other people. I view shredding just as a verry good excercise that improves your coordination and control of muscles.
And about all the discussion about image: Ok its the 21st century already, music and vision are going to be fused more and more together. NO WAY! And if you said that you are doing music as for blind people then why don't you just strum your acoustic guitar so that you can make music for the blind people and the people without electricity?
The thing about image is just to be very careful not to look like a whore and this is where it gets complicated and a great deal of the artists fail.
Also visualisations, I havent been to any live of TOOL but people who have said that they do mind-blowing shows which involve a lot of effects and acting and scenery and they have costumes. Such kind of performances which involve a fusion of several arts are getting more and more popular, we have even here in Bulgaria some bands that are getting really good at these. And I really am convinced that the future is closely related with such kind of multidisciplinary shows.

ice9
09-07-2003, 08:05 AM
When I said satch was the greatest I know thats just my personal opinion and not everyones here.I do probably defend shredding guitarist more than I should but I myself am A big fan of it.I will be the first to admit that If i was any good at writing songs like neil young etc...I would probably slow down on the shredding.I get real defensive when I see someone make a statement that is so one sided and doesnt tell the whole perspective of it.Let me say that 1 million notes an hour all in 1 tempo isnt going to win any grammys but it is still an expresion of ones soul whether its self serving or not.Im not all about shred because my second favorite guitarist is neil young.To me guitar greats have to have something about their sound and technique that when i hear them it makes me want to drop whatever i am doing and get the "axe" out.Music is art, some people see picasso and say hes insane and some people love it, its all about personal preference.I will try harder not to say harsh things about other generations players.You are right this is not the 80s.
peace

chucklivesoninmyheart
09-07-2003, 11:09 AM
Eh...some people are still wowed with a finger show.
Petrucci isnt so much a shredder as he is just fast in his left hand.I dont hear him trem picking all the time.So what makes a shredder?Playing fast or trem picking while playing fast?

I think alot of the "melodic" solo's bands churn out now are insanley boring.There slow(so they MUST be "melodic")but they never create a melody that hits you deep.Listen to "lip gloss and black" from Atreyu or "another day in quiksand" by In Flames.Some real good melodic solo's that have great melody and arnt just "slow for the sake of being melodic".The very word is in direct relation to music.Tool songs and solo's are NOT melodic...there slow..but theres no real melody.Boring,flat,emotionless,1 string strumming.I would much rather a nice soulfull shredding piece.

I think everyones caught up on speed...but forgeting that what notes comprise the solo "make" the solo.You can play boring,emotionless solo's at any speed.

Incidents Happen
09-07-2003, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Slow Diver

And about all the discussion about image: Ok its the 21st century already, music and vision are going to be fused more and more together. NO WAY! And if you said that you are doing music as for blind people then why don't you just strum your acoustic guitar so that you can make music for the blind people and the people without electricity?


Why don't you read my message more clearly before you bash the idea, without any thought on your part? Seriously, that was the dumbest thing I've ever heard you post here, yet.

The idea of "Would a blind person like it?" comes in mind that image means nothing to them, for they have no idea what image would be. If you can turn someone onto your music without using the whole "I'm a punk" or "I'm an ass" or "I'm so cool" attitude, using pure musical ability, then you've accomplished something. If you need to use a gimmick, or an attitude, or an image, to get people to like you, then guess what you are: An ACTOR, and not a MUSICian.

~Incidents

Slow Diver
09-07-2003, 04:13 PM
What I didn't like about your idea is is that you are(at least I thought so) excluding a whole dimension of live performance -- the visual one.
About the punk attitude, hairstyles, clothing and stuff I also agree it is lacking idea.
But when you go to a more serious level, when everything has its specific meaning and is a part of one whole experience, then I think things are different. That's my view on the topic. You like to be concentrated only on your music, thats fine. My ideas and feelings are a bit different.
I was a bit rude, I admit. I'm somewhat frustrated these days, I will be going to study in Germany and right now I'm setting up the whole thing around my visa and trip and I guess I lose control occasionally.

Jolly McJollyson
09-07-2003, 06:18 PM
To get onto a less touchy subject, I think to be in bands like slipknot and Staind, you need two things, a recording of pigs being slaughtered, and a face (no blank heads allowed in our crappy bands).

Incidents Happen
09-07-2003, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Slow Diver
What I didn't like about your idea is is that you are(at least I thought so) excluding a whole dimension of live performance -- the visual one.
About the punk attitude, hairstyles, clothing and stuff I also agree it is lacking idea.
But when you go to a more serious level, when everything has its specific meaning and is a part of one whole experience, then I think things are different. That's my view on the topic. You like to be concentrated only on your music, thats fine. My ideas and feelings are a bit different.
I was a bit rude, I admit. I'm somewhat frustrated these days, I will be going to study in Germany and right now I'm setting up the whole thing around my visa and trip and I guess I lose control occasionally.

nah, don't worry about it; difference in opinion, thats fine;

I'm glad you got more specific to what your opinion is, because now that you fully explained it, i'd have to agree somewhat; I enjoy it when Phish's Trey Anastasio and Mike Gordon jump on the trampolines while playing, it's very entertaining; and bands like String Cheese Incident use alot of High-budget things for their New Years shows. The shows themselves are true experiences, etc, and they are really neat. What I'm against, as you are too, is the whole fake gimmick. The whole "I'm a punk, don't mess with me" crap that seems to go on all the time nowadays, is so incredibly cheesy.

My band has psychedelic lights flashing around when we play, during gigs; This is visual, but as far as us moving around and grabbing the crowd's attention? nadda. There's no need for that.

hairbndrckr
09-08-2003, 08:07 PM
I'll tell ya, I'm from a time when fishnets were for men, and if you didn't wear more makeup than your girlfriend, you just weren't cool....
I'm also from a time where you had to woodshed for at least 6 hours a day just to be able to keep up with Joe Hairband for club bookings...
I'm also from a time where if you didn't have a wall of at least 4 full stacks of some color other than black tolex, you weren't cool... ( I know everyone has heard my story on the Soldano fake stacks and using a combo amp running through a rack system off of the stage )...

Nowadays, people just don't care. They go on stage with whatever they were wearing to work that day. (Note to fat guys that like the wifebeater... DON'T)
Everyone nowadays sound like everyone else, except Metallica... They just sound like **** now.
Nowadays no one takes pride in their playing... Most of these guys sound like they just bought their first guitar last week...

I think I saw a t-shirt the other day that 'splains it all..
it consisted of 3 chords I believe they were open G,A, and D. The caption under it said... Now go start a band....

That's about what they do these days.

ice9
09-08-2003, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by hairbndrckr
I'll tell ya, I'm from a time when fishnets were for men, and if you didn't wear more makeup than your girlfriend, you just weren't cool....
I'm also from a time where you had to woodshed for at least 6 hours a day just to be able to keep up with Joe Hairband for club bookings...
I'm also from a time where if you didn't have a wall of at least 4 full stacks of some color other than black tolex, you weren't cool... ( I know everyone has heard my story on the Soldano fake stacks and using a combo amp running through a rack system off of the stage )...

Nowadays, people just don't care. They go on stage with whatever they were wearing to work that day. (Note to fat guys that like the wifebeater... DON'T)
Everyone nowadays sound like everyone else, except Metallica... They just sound like **** now.
Nowadays no one takes pride in their playing... Most of these guys sound like they just bought their first guitar last week...

I think I saw a t-shirt the other day that 'splains it all..
it consisted of 3 chords I believe they were open G,A, and D. The caption under it said... Now go start a band....

That's about what they do these days.

Thanx fellow shredder i needed some help from the open chord guys.Man i miss those days,thats why i even picked up a guitar in 1984 was because of EVH/maiden/scorpions etc....thats when guitar playing was exciting and inovative while following music theory.Todays stuff is a sad joke.
But i guess im just an ol fart who is set in his ways=)

Slow Diver
09-09-2003, 05:14 AM
I have said this before and I will say it again, today is the best time for making innovative music, technology is developing with tremendous speed and you can do with sound everything you wish for basically not so big investment. Some people just can get past the 80's and keep whining about todays music and the past days and blah blah...In fact I would have liked the 90s to have continued for another 30 years, I am a big fan of Seatle and the alternative scene, but you know, life is changing, and you have to be able to evolve, kind of. Just by saying that everything around is crap you confirm that you have not made any effort to find anything that is worth sticking to. And I am convinced there are plenty.
I am more and more convinced that people who think in this way have the problem with themselves, not with music. You have to be more positive. For example I have favorites from every decade. Of course there are many things that I detest but the whole point is that you have to be more open minded.
I am not ranting or bashing against any particular persons. Individual taste is always respected. I am rather putting a comment for this general attitude I see in some people on this board and in some of my friends actually.

PonyOne
09-11-2003, 02:34 AM
Just out of curiosity, has anyone else noticed that there seems to be a moritorium on Seattle bands? This is kind of alarming to me, being from Seattle and all...

I think that the 90's produced some really awesome music. And like with any other decade that's just waned, we look back at slightly baggy blue jeans and thigh-length black T-shirts with flannels over them and go "euuuu." But look at how 80's retro is in full swing right now... if you can't see it, i'm serious, i mean, pick up any fashion magazine, look at the resurgence in fitted jeans, makeup, etc, it's like Rock And Roll High School lives (at least it does here in LA). In another ten, we'll be holding up our old NIN and Nirvana shirts with pride, going, "Dude, this isn't a repro..."

Trends follow 20-year waves, note how in the 90's the 70's were cool, and in the 80's, 60's fashion took its toll on what was then "modern" fashion... androgyny, starkness, and totally senseless fashion cues ruled. Oh wait, I'm writing for Guitar Tricks, not Cosmo....

70's: Les Pauls, Teles
80's: Jacksons, Ibanez
90's: Les Pauls, Teles
00's: Jacksons, Ibanez (i'm just waiting for Kramer to hit back, too)

Pantallica1
09-11-2003, 12:30 PM
It has been documented that trends follow 20 year waves. Most definitely.

You couldn't meet a girl in the 90s who didn't own a pair of bellbottoms. That's just the way fashion works. Recycling every 20 years. I remember watching "Karate Kid" and seeing this sweater that Daniel was wearing, you know the knit sweaters with like the vinyl plastic over the shoulders and elbows, and I remembered seeing the exact same thing at an Abercrombie a few days earlier. Funny to me.

nasum_human
09-12-2003, 06:33 PM
okay, I believe shred has it's place, it all god a bit shred centric back at the arse end of the 80's, but then it went too far the other way, people actively avoiding solos because apparently 'do nothing for the song' there has to be a balance, I wouldnt think a groovy blues ridden bendy solo would fit into a 240bpm death metal song, it's all about what fits the music, as long as the guitar can be played fast, there will be fast players.
And although slipknot seem like a gimmicky band, both guitarists are VERY good, listen to stone sour for jim's playing, and mick did a session with a british guitar mag, he had samples of his stuff on the cover CD and it was at a very high standard, plus he will be playing lead guitar on the forthcoming death tribute album.
I get sick of people bashing slipknot, surely what many of you are arguing here applies, they obviously have the chops, but dont feel the need to fill every song with them? I personally like slipknot a great deal, there is an extremely high level of musicianship in the band, and I dont think 10 million people can be wrong!!

just throwing my opinions in!

oh and my setup, I play extreme metal a la shadows fall, lamb of god, I use a BC rich gunslinger with duncan distortion pickup in the bridge, through a tubescreamer, into a Roland cube30 mic'ed up through the PA, it's great for everything, rhythm, lead and bluesy quiet parts! I
also have a PRS singlecut which I use when I'm playing at home, or recording!

aiwass
09-13-2003, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by chucklivesoninmyheart
Eh...some people are still wowed with a finger show.
Petrucci isnt so much a shredder as he is just fast in his left hand.I dont hear him trem picking all the time.So what makes a shredder?Playing fast or trem picking while playing fast?

I think alot of the "melodic" solo's bands churn out now are insanley boring.There slow(so they MUST be "melodic")but they never create a melody that hits you deep.Listen to "lip gloss and black" from Atreyu or "another day in quiksand" by In Flames.Some real good melodic solo's that have great melody and arnt just "slow for the sake of being melodic".The very word is in direct relation to music.Tool songs and solo's are NOT melodic...there slow..but theres no real melody.Boring,flat,emotionless,1 string strumming.I would much rather a nice soulfull shredding piece.

I think everyones caught up on speed...but forgeting that what notes comprise the solo "make" the solo.You can play boring,emotionless solo's at any speed.


Petrucci is very much a shredder, and his alternate picking is what he is known for. Get your facts straight.

As for Tool, I know that's just your opinion. You could do a lot better when looking for examples of slow/boring solos. Tool doesn't really have any solos. Sure, they use a high note here and there, but that doesn't make it a solo. Additionally, apart from the obvious lack of solos, Tool's music is anything but simple, and utilizes plenty of polyrhythms and odd time signatures, and drum parts that are anything but easy.

No real melody? Boring, flat and emotionless? I'd give you song examples, but listing them would take too long...

{There's no need to get personal! L.}

[Edited by Lordathestrings on 09-14-2003 at 03:48 AM]

Pantallica1
09-13-2003, 04:04 PM
I agree, Tool's music is far from easy. Their drumming alone is unique and the odd time sigs are amazing.

The only Tool song that I can think of that contains a resemblence to a solo is "Schism" It's more of a bridge than a solo though.

aiwass
09-14-2003, 05:32 AM
Sorry, Lordathestrings, but it pisses me off when people go about blatantly insulting bands and artists(without saying IMO or IMHO, mind you), while using no actual facts to back up their arguments. Besides, calling a band's music "boring, flat and emotionless" is very much getting personal, since it is attacking the artist's integrity, and the validity of their work. The blatancy with which he said it, "...Tool songs are NOT melodic..." is just plain insulting, not to mention extremely arrogant.

On a similar note, just because Tool's guitarist (Adam Jones) doesn't play fast, it doesn't mean he doesn't have amazing technique. He has an incredible ability to coax different timbres and tones out of his guitar using little or no effects. It's all in his fingers.

Lordathestrings
09-14-2003, 02:45 PM
Cool, just understand the difference between a subjective assessment of a band's sound, and calling other members names.

We all have opinions about various bands - sometimes strong opinions. There are times we have to respectfully agree to disagree.

I run a simple setup - just my axe and my amp. I find that my Ampeg VT-40, and whatever gutiar I'm in the mood for, will get me the sound I want. Mind you, I play mostly rhythm. And I use the controls on the guitar a lot. :)

Incidents Happen
09-15-2003, 05:30 PM
We all have our opinions.......lol!:D

~Incidents