Most Overrated Guitarists

[SLY]

There are a plenty of them , I just wanted to know your thoughts.

[Axl_Rose]

Kirk Hammet!!
How hes got a Mention on the home page and Slash doesnt is criminal!!!!

Later

[aiwass]

Slash ;D

I also think Santana is pretty crappy compared to how famous he is.


On a more serious note, I don't see what's so great about Paul Gilbert. Sure he has chops to die for, but he picks too damn hard, making his tone pretty damn awful. Besides, he does alot of really (if you ask me) tasteless solos, where it's all about doing something that looks cool and sounds fast, but isn't really that nice to listen to. Of course, he has done some great stuff too, but I can't say that I dig his playing all that much. Gimme Michael Romeo any day.

[PonyOne]

Santana is VERY overrated. Who decided he's one of th ebest guitarists ever? If you've ever been to a Mexican bar on a Thursday night the whole "LATIN FLAVA" thing goes out the door... he's just an "eh" guitarist that managed to get a lot of stock brokers, soccer moms and random others who don't normally get into guitar-related music to pick up his CD because he can't sing, so he had a million guest stars do it for him.

Tom Morello... who the hell decided he's an awesome guitarist??? He uses excessive, unintuitive effects (hey check it out! a wah fed through a distortion pedal, rather than a distortion pedal fed through a wah! WOW!) and his licks are really bland and repetitive.

I don't dislike Vai as much as either of these characters by a long shot, I don't even know if dislike is the right word.... granted the guy has amazing chops (it'd be stupid to argue err) but I find it difficult to get into his sound.

And how the hell did Tom Delonge get his own signature guitar....

[Polera]

the only reason why slash is getting the respect he deserves is cause GNR could produce more then 5 albums in 15 years. but hes definitly under rated!

Overated:

1) Santana
2) Kurt Cobain as a guitarist of course
3) Tom Delonge, thanks for the reminder

[Kirk_Aimar]

Santana

I don't see on why Santana is up there among the world best guitarist. Most santana's solos looks similar to me. I can see no different in it. He is plain boring. He is a good guitar player but people overated him!

[icecool]

yeah, news flash man, santana is not 'up' there in the best guitarists list.

most overrated ever =

KIRK HAMMETT

[Kirk_Aimar]

I don't really think Kirk hammett is one overrated guitar player. That is as for my thoughts. But i'm not saying you can't think he's an overated guitarist.
Since joining metallica, he brought in great energy to the band, all the contributions he gave are fantastic.

[SLY]

Originally posted by PonyOne
And how the hell did Tom Delonge get his own signature guitar....

LOL :D

Yeah man , it realy pisses me off to see such "below average guitarists" guys get guitar signatures & admiration of fans , while real talented guitarists like Michael Romeo are somehow ignored .

[SLY]

I like Kirk Hammett's guitar playing too ... But this doesn't deny the fact that he's a LITTLE bit overrated.

But comparing him to most overrated players he seems to get his right credit.

[Axl_Rose]

Kirk hammet just uses wah on otherwise mindless pentatonic thrills, hes boring and repetitive.

Tom Morello sucks in my eyes, his solos aer defined be digital effects, hes like a DJ of the guitar solo-er!!

[Slow Diver]

Originally posted by Axl_Rose
hes like a DJ of the guitar solo-er!!
What so wrong about that?
This is something that really noone thought of doing before him and in this sense he is much more original than many of the shred heads that seem like copies of Yngwie or Vai.

[Tapping-Young-Lad]

Yea, I agree that Michael Romeo and the rest of Symp. X has been pretty ignored. When, you think about it, shred players in general are ignored by pop culture. The only people that know of them are people deeply into music. Tom Delonge has been given too much credit. I don't think I'd go as far as to say that Jimi H. is overrated, but I see him more as innovator, whereas Rhoads, Vaughn, Vai, etc. are the real players.

[u10ajf]

Eric Clapton, Carlos Santana maybe Vai and Malmsteem (later two are incredible players granted) but totally NOT Satch (who is amazing).

[PonyOne]

I have nothing against anyone who buys a Boss floorboard or a Line 6 amp and uses digital effects to add to guitar. We went over this before in a thread, and i said it there, I'll say it again: if it sounds good, why not?

The problem w/Morello is tha tit doesn't sound good. Simple licks played with excessive amounts of digital and analog effects = simple licks played with excessive amounts of digital and analog effects. Not necessarily good, or innovative... just excessive.

People had been doing all sorts of crazy things with effects 30 years before he was, and that's the main reason I object to his style. It's not innovative, it's not creative, it's not good sounding.... it just is. That combined with Zach DeLaRocha's screechy-rat vocals, and you have one expensive set of beercoasters.

[icecool]

Agree to an extent. the digital effects are and do exactly what you say, but I think Roches vocals arent done justice through 'screechy-rat' comments. His vocals bring a cool 'hipppidy hop hop' quality to rages music. if ya get what i mean, hehe :D

[RobSm]

Eric Clapton, Gary Moore.

Re Jimi Hendrix there is no point in looking at his guitar playing separately from his music. The guy who said he was an innovator is definitely on the right track. You take the lot as it is and like it or not.

ps Can you imagine Eric Clapton coming up with 'Star Spangled Banner'?

RobSm

[aiwass]

What the hell is wrong with Gary Moore? He's the father of shred, dammit!

[RobSm]

Nothing wrong.....I mean we're picking faults with the best in the world in this thread....

I just think he's AA+ not AAA

RobSm

[Slow Diver]

Originally posted by PonyOne


The problem w/Morello is tha tit doesn't sound good. Simple licks played with excessive amounts of digital and analog effects = simple licks played with excessive amounts of digital and analog effects. Not necessarily good, or innovative... just excessive.


You obviously don't like him and that is OK. I am also not one of his greatest fans but I realize that he has a style, something which is definitely lacked by many of the sredders.
In my list he is definitely before Hammet or Santana, or Gary moore

[aiwass]

I still don't get what's wrong about Gary Moore...

[Twist of Fate]

Zakk Wylde. I like him and he is awesome,but I don't think that he's all that. He's more of a dick than anything.

There is a guitarist that is underrated. Anyone here ever heard of silverchair? Daniel Johns is their singer/songwriter/and guitarist. He is very talented and I think that he doesn't get any credit that he deserves.

[aiwass]

Zakk Wylde is one of the few competent players out there. He may play lots of pentatonic blues stuff, but that's cuz he likes the sound of 'em. He can play Di Meola and Yngwie stuff as well as anyone. Plus, he's got the best vibrato/artificial harmonic technique out there.

Download the song "Speedball" from the BLS CD "1919 Eternal". It's very DiMeola / VH "Spanish Fly" influenced.

[u10ajf]

OK, here's a totally underated player:

NUNO BETTENCOURT from Extreme. Very rocking riffs, tons of odd progressions and insane but perfectly executed guitar soloing. Like Van Halen only... Erm... BETTER!!!

[Koopa]

I rekon Wes Borland from Limp Bizkit it a tad overrated

[canuck7]

about Zakk Wylde, he is a dickhead, but he IS a great guitarist. he does crazy vibrato and pinch harmonics on 10-60 E-tuned strings. and he's really good anyway. aiwass, thanks for mentioning 'Speedball'. that's a great song and he shows some great talent there.

also, Santana is trash. he has no talent compared to real latin guitarists. i'm sick of his collaborations and mindless licks.

and Wes Borland isn't really overrated or anything. i've never heard him mentioned as a brilliant or even above-average guitarist. i do think he has talent though. but he's not really overrated.

[Slow Diver]

Zak Wylde plays too much standard stuff. And his image is of a standard rock bastard. Everything around him smells of 80's hair metal chiche stuff.

[aiwass]

You haven't heard "speedball", have you?

[Slow Diver]

No. What is this?

[Sam101]

Speedball is some fantastic guitar playing from Zakk
Download it.

Overated, I don't really care, anyone within Nu Metal is overrated.
Kerry King, Kirk Hammet err thats all I can really think of right now. There's hundreds of them out there.

Underated, as far as respect goes - Jason Becker, Alexi Lahio, Anreas Kisser. Thats about it for now

[Dejan Sajinovic]

7 thing´s you need to know about mr. Zakk Wylde

You guys need to get more into Zakk´s mind to really understand him. First of all he HATES all that hair band stuff and was forced to have it on early Ozzy album pics. However he refused to wear make up.

Zakk is an AMAZING guitar player. I like evrything by him especially Ozzy´s first two albums. Also he´s one of those guys who have an very good rock voice. Kind of brutal.

As aiwas said, his vibrato and AH-technique kills. Somtimes I would say, man this got to be a vibrato bar but NO, it´s just fingers. Also what I like about him is his outstanding alternate pickin´ technique and he´s tone is fu*ckin´ great.

Bullseye guitar´s rock, beats evry other Gibson out there.

Despite his speed, Zakk have tones of feeling. I would say that he´s at the same level as Slash but can beat hell out off Slash with his overall technique.

Zakk´s stage preformence is fuc*kin´ amazing. He really kicks a*s*s and give 100% evrytime.

Zakk´s definitly NOT one of those 80´s guitar players. I mean, he´s B.I.G. looks like a cave man, drinks beer instead of drugs, fu*ck´s only his wife instead of porno stars and if Ozzy like´s him, than he´s must be a great person.

BTW, does anyone know the secret behind Zakk´s sound?

[aiwass]

He uses EMGs (85 neck, 81 bridge), huge strings, and a Boss super overdrive into an overdriven Marshall JCM 800 (double distortion, in other words). And he's got rock solid technique...

[Dejan Sajinovic]

I don´t know but I think that If I would have to compare my sound it would be somthing like Zakk´s. I use BOSS SD1 and play it through Marshall AVT100. Reason why it´s pretty close (I think) is ´cause I use dist on dist and like while soloin´ to turn on wah and have it around the middle position. I never do constant WAHWAHWAHWAH, I mostly use it a little bit especially when playn´ fast and than when bending I usualy go whole the way.

I found out that through doing this, the pick sound gets (when pickin´ fast) sticks out pretty much and I like it.

Of course Petrucci´s and Vai´s sound are probably the greatest out there but who can afford 50.000$ just for guitar equipment, lol.

[SLY]

Originally posted by Sam101
Overated, I don't really care, anyone within Nu Metal is overrated.
Kerry King, Kirk Hammet err thats all I can really think of right now. There's hundreds of them out there.

Yeah , Kerry King is realy overrated (he doesn't get so much credit though) ... I don't rate someone like him as a guitarist at all , may be nice rhythm , but playing random notes with tremolo picking is certainly not good Lead playing .
Any dumba$$ with one year of guitar experience can play any of his "solos" (I feel like sh*t when I have to call these things he does "solos" !).
I don't like Hanneman's playing as well, but compared to King , Hanneman is a little bit underrated.


Underated, as far as respect goes - Jason Becker, Alexi Lahio, Anreas Kisser. Thats about it for now

Andreas Kisser , is that the guy from Sepultura ?? He isn't very good to claim he's underrated ... If you know some good stuff that may be I haven't heard of please let me know.

[Slow Diver]

Ok, maybe I'm wrong about my opinion of Zak Wylde, but it is based on what I have heard and seen. And it is what he does with ozzy, not all the stuff but a great deal. my impression of him is of a typical 80's guitarplayer. I used to be a great fan of this kind of style 4 years ago but I have changed since then, and it is natural for everybody to evolve in his tastes. In fact I still have many of Ozzy's albums but haven't listened them for years.
I DO respect him because of his technique, cuz I know(have an idea) what tremendous amount of effort it requires to acheive that level.

[aiwass]

Zakk has to be a typical 80's player when he's with Ozzy, cuz Ozzy is a typical 80's star. Plain and simple.

Andreas Kisser is a bit chaotic for my tastes. Reminds me of Kerry King, although much better of course.

[canuck7]

Originally posted by Dejan Sajinovic
7 thing´s you need to know about mr. Zakk Wylde

You guys need to get more into Zakk´s mind to really understand him. First of all he HATES all that hair band stuff and was forced to have it on early Ozzy album pics. However he refused to wear make up.

Zakk is an AMAZING guitar player. I like evrything by him especially Ozzy´s first two albums. Also he´s one of those guys who have an very good rock voice. Kind of brutal.

As aiwas said, his vibrato and AH-technique kills. Somtimes I would say, man this got to be a vibrato bar but NO, it´s just fingers. Also what I like about him is his outstanding alternate pickin´ technique and he´s tone is fu*ckin´ great.

Bullseye guitar´s rock, beats evry other Gibson out there.

Despite his speed, Zakk have tones of feeling. I would say that he´s at the same level as Slash but can beat hell out off Slash with his overall technique.

Zakk´s stage preformence is fuc*kin´ amazing. He really kicks a*s*s and give 100% evrytime.

Zakk´s definitly NOT one of those 80´s guitar players. I mean, he´s B.I.G. looks like a cave man, drinks beer instead of drugs, fu*ck´s only his wife instead of porno stars and if Ozzy like´s him, than he´s must be a great person.


he's a great player brimming over with talent. and he's a straightforward guy who is just his brutal self 100 percent of the time. and "Speedball" will really help you see his talent. i don't really like his personality too much but i respect and support him all the way. just because he's a brutally honest guy who just gives his best without any bullsh*t whatsoever.

[Sam101]

Originally posted by Dejan Sajinovic
7 thing´s you need to know about mr. Zakk Wylde


Zakk´s stage preformence is fuc*kin´ amazing. He really kicks a*s*s and give 100% evrytime.





Yah,I saw him at Ozzfet first with BLS and then with Ozzy and he was increadible, His solo with Ozzy had everyones jaws on the floor.

I don't really know how to post pics yet but bear with me this is Zakks Setup, he uses 8550 tubes in his JCM800's

http://www.guitargeek.com/rigs/img/w/wylde_zakk_2000.gif

[Sam101]

Originally posted by SLY
Andreas Kisser , is that the guy from Sepultura ?? He isn't very good to claim he's underrated ... If you know some good stuff that may be I haven't heard of please let me know. [/B]

He's not really the cream of the crop, im not talking about how good player he is, im talking here about what he as done or music. Listen to Beneath the Remains and Arise, his riffs and melodies (check out Desprerate Cry on Arise) his solos are manic but some are impressive but he's a trillion time better than Kerry King, most people think he's good because he wrote Raining Blood and Angel Of Death, two Thrash classics but unfortunatly this is not the case, Jeff Hanneman wrote both of them.
Michael Angelo is definatly UNDERated

[Twist of Fate]

Zakk is good yes I know. I wasn't trying to put anyone down, so relax everyone. I do like alot of his stuff and yes speedball is good, I just think that he is a dick. But he is really a good guitar player but I think that he's not as good as Tony from Black Sabbath


I have never failed to fail

[Edited by Twist of Fate on 02-23-2003 at 05:29 PM]

[Dejan Sajinovic]

What´s a rotovibe pedal for (the red one)?

[aiwass]

Originally posted by Twist of Fate
Zakk is good yes I know. I wasn't trying to put anyone down, so relax everyone. I do like alot of his stuff and yes speedball is good, I just think that he is a dick. But he is really a good guitar player but I think that he's not as good as Tony from Black Sabbath


I have never failed to fail

[Edited by Twist of Fate on 02-23-2003 at 05:29 PM]


ROFL. I'd like to see Tony play "Speedball". Or any ZW solo for that matter...

[gernm18]

the secret of zakk wylde is as he said in guitar world
hella practice

[canuck7]

Zakk Wylde practises for a hell of a long time. and now he's terrific. makes sense to me.

[canuck7]

Originally posted by aiwass
Originally posted by Twist of Fate
Zakk is good yes I know. I wasn't trying to put anyone down, so relax everyone. I do like alot of his stuff and yes speedball is good, I just think that he is a dick. But he is really a good guitar player but I think that he's not as good as Tony from Black Sabbath


I have never failed to fail

[Edited by Twist of Fate on 02-23-2003 at 05:29 PM]


ROFL. I'd like to see Tony play "Speedball". Or any ZW solo for that matter...

two things here man.
one, i agree with you completely about Zakk. he IS a dick, but he's a terrific player and he's got no bull**** about him.
two, i think that Zakk is much more skilled than Tony Iommi will ever be. i mean, i like Tony Iommi and Sabbath music a lot. bottom line: Tony just isn't nearly as technically skilled as Zakk is.

[Slow Diver]

And Tony Iomi is with a sligh disability...
Imagine what a player would have he been if he had all his fingers in the right places.
And furthermore guitar playing is certainly not only about being technically skilled, let's not start this all over again.

[u10ajf]

Another famous guitarist with hand injuries was Django Reinhardt, jazz player in 30s/40s (I think). He was this gypsy dude whose hand got burned when his caravan caught fire. He lost his 2 middle fingers I think. Nonetheless, some years later the famous classical guitarist Andres Segovia heard him play and asked where he could get some of his music from. He was told that he couldn't, it was improvised... Respect!!
Under-rated, Shaun Baxter. I listened to Satriani for years before I heard him and had acclimatised to being demoralised by widdley playing but this guy REALLY scared the crap out of me. What's'more nobody else sounds like him. It's really jazzy yet heavy with tons of freaky expressive bending, sweeps, taps and pinches and the oddest timings conceivable. Some people would say its soul-less but that's not always the case, he can play beautiful music when he's not playing stunt guitar.

[aiwass]

I still don't think Iommi is good. Reinhardt's injury was much more serious than Iommi's, yet Iommi couldn't dream about playing any of Reinhardt's stuff...