Kurt Cobain

[Tele Master]

I was never into Nirvana, but I just got the unplugged cd, and I've been reading through the tablature at various sites. I get the impression that Kurt Cobain is dead. Is he?

[sithgt6]

Yes he is.

A lot of folks and MTV try to make him out as some sort of martyr - but he was a coward.

D.

[Tele Master]

How and when did he die?

[Polera]

this thread is pretty funny...cuz a lot of people knew when he died it not being a secret and all. He died from blowing his head off with a shot gun...sucicide. Not sure what the year was, maybe 1996...or around that time.

[Tele Master]

Well then, quite the unpleasent death, anyone know why? Sorry for asking all these questions, but once I get involved about a band, and then find something out that I didn't know, I like to know all there is.

[SLY]

He suicided in '96 ... I believe he was suffering from lots of stress applied on him by the type of life he was leading , drug addiction & stuff like that ... He was a perverted person from early age due to the non-healthy family life he had, I realy sympathy with him.

You'll find his bio in many sites online , also read his suicide note (probably you may not understand it , I didn't anyway !).

[PonyOne]

Kurt Cobain wasn't a martyr, but he wasn't a coward. If you've had a hard life, you can probably understand where he was coming from.

He had a long-standing addiction to heroin; from everything I've heard it is nearly impossible to get off once you're hooked. He tried to OD and die in Rome, but it didn't work; he ended up in rehab back in the US, in Los Angeles, and from there nobody's really sure what exactly happened, but ultimately, he was found dead in his garage with a shotgun blast to the head, with a Remington .808 shotgun at his side.

There are actually a lot of holes in the suicide theory: there are two distinct handwritings on his note, he misspells his daughter's name, etc. There's lots on that online too.

[canuck7]

i have read a lot of info from websites but GuitarWorld did an issue with Nirvana on the cover and they had this terrific story about Nirvana and Kurt Cobain's life and addiction. i think it was Nov 2000 or Nov 2001. somewhere around there.

[Lordathestrings]

Yeah, they have one or two items (http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=Nirvana&sp-a=000102f6-sp00000000) there.

[sithgt6]

Killing yourself is the cowardly way out. Especially when there are children in the picture. They need us.

D.

[BarHook]

just wana say, one of the major holes in his suicide was the fact that, they found THREE TIMES the lethal dose of heroin in his blood. So if he did inject himself with that much how on earth did he manage to shoot himself, wudnt he of been incapacitated?

[canuck7]

i would rather face hell on earth than commit suicide. but from has been described to me, Kurt Cobain might have been experiencing just that and more. he hated the fame with a passion, he had a heroin that was impossible to shake. he had already tried to OD from what i read previously in this thread. so two cases of hell on earth here: the unescapable fame that he hated so very much, and the heroin addiction. i still can't really accept that people will actually kill themselves.
craziness.

[Slow Diver]

Cobain maybe coward, maybe not, but you should agree that he was an awesome artist. For a moment his band turned the music industry upside down -- he was on the charts on first place, before Michael jackson madona and the greasy 80's rockers.
Then he became a prey of his own image...
However there are indeed many unclear things around his death. I have read that the footprints on the gun were not very clear, as if somobody had tried to erase them. And it is not very likely that Kurt first blew his head and then decided to erase the footprints.

[kingdavid]

Originally posted by sithgt6
Killing yourself is the cowardly way out. Especially when there are children in the picture. They need us.

D.
You should realise that the fact that you wouldn't consider suicide should tell you that people commiting suicide aren't thinking straight,coz if they were,they'd be seeing things just like you,and wouldn't kill themselves.
And besides,who says suicide is a way out?Out where?It's not like when you die you'll be floating 200 metres above the ground and seeing how others are suffering but you you're just so cool,counting the clouds and stuff.
Unless you can get into the mind of a suicidal person,you can't really know what's going on with them.
And before anyone starts,I've never lost anyone to suicide.

[kingdavid]

Originally posted by Slow Diver
...I have read that the footprints on the gun were not very clear...
:D:D:D:D
FOOTPRINTS?!?!?
That's a new one.
I didn't know Kurt was a contotionist!!
This is killing me!!

[Slow Diver]

Blaaaah
did I say footprints??? :D
fingerprints, okay
it was late in the evening and I was quite sleepy...
but it is funny :D

[canuck7]

now how would footprints work? good stuff. but his death is a still a large controversy.

[Lordathestrings]

Originally posted by kingdavid
...And before anyone starts,I've never lost anyone to suicide. I have, and I think you've got it just about right.

[PonyOne]

I lost a close friend to sucide, and seriously attempted suicide probably like 5 or 6 times.

What ultimately made me not want to die was having my friend commit suicide and having to deal with that and all the baggage he left behind. But he wasn't a coward; he was someone whose parents beat and abused him in every way imaginable, who was let down by the police and social workers and ultimately many of his freinds too. I could see where it would be preferrable to blast your brains against a wall to having to take every waking moment with bruises all over your body, people calling you a fag, getting shoved around for no real reason and never having any end to it. After I moved to Boston from Seattle, he really didn't have anyone at all that seemed to care about him or stood up for him, and he probably felt like he had no ground beneath him.

Kurt Cobain had a similar childhood to my friend's. His dad left when he was a wee lad, his mom was more or less a whore, and he grew up getting messed up by a drunk and often drugged out mother who screwed men loudly in the other room. After a certain point his mom decided she didn't want him or his siblings; he spent the rest of his young years being shoved from household to household within his family, and eventually, crashing on people's couches, in abandoned buildings, under railroad tressles, etc.

He got really into music as a release later on in his teenage years and fell in love with the drummer of the band Bikini Kill. They had a huge on again, off again relationship, and she more or less led him on a chain through barbed wire. From all accounts, she was more or less a die hard feminist, borderline man-hater who thought it was amusing to see Kurt grovelling and begging. Practically all of Nevermind is actually about this experience (there was an issue of Rolling Stone about a year back that was all about this).

He started to write incessantly in his journals and songs about the white male patriarchy and how it was evil and he would destroy it, often noting that he and the girl from Bikini Kill would ultimately marry and be king and queen of this new anti-materialistic society.

He finally realized, about the time they were done recording Nevermind, that he had been taken advantage of yet again, which only spurred his then-new heroin habit. He had a number of congenial defects with his stomach and suffered from ulcers, among other things, and the depression and stress only made it worse to the point that many days he just could not stand up or move. The heroin made him forget that he had the stomach pains, that his life sucked and was more or less going nowhere, and that his obsession thought he was a pathetic little turd.

He more or less started dating Courtney Love to piss off the girl from Bikini Kill; they hated eachother. Courtney was notorious for making Kurt's life as miserable as she possibly could. As time wore on, the incessant levels of stress coming from the media, throngs of insane fans, a wife who was insane, stomach problems, and everythnig else took its toll, and he killed himself.\

Some of us are better at dealing with misery than others; I've had it almost as bad as Kurt Cobain and worse than a lot of people who commit suicide, but there's no way to tell what someone is capable of. Some people kill themselves because their daddy didn't buy them a BMW, some people do it because they lost all their friends and family in a horrible car crash that they were the sole survivor of and the guilt combined with the pain of physical therapy and not having legs are unbearable. There's a blatant difference between the two.

[Tele Master]

Well then, what a s****y life he had. Any one else who has been down that road and is still here with us, I don't know what to say, you are either lucky, or very strong willed. I applaude you for that.

[kingdavid]

Originally posted by PonyOne
Some of us are better at dealing with misery than others...
Exactly.
Just coz you got the will/drive/belief/whatever to keep going doesn't mean those that don't are cowards or what have you.It's just an ability that they don't have.
It's just that,unlike sport or shredding,lacking these abilities results in something that is as final as death,whereas if say you can't shread(like me),all it really means is that I can't impress some girl or something.
Impressing some chic.
Dying.
So very different.

[sithgt6]

Coward - noun, One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

The inability to cope with what has been brought before you is cowardice. I'm sorry if I offend, but to deliberately take one's own life to run from that which cannot be handled is a poor choice. If within a situation that creates that kind of dispair there are hundreds of choices to be made that can affect the outcome of one's life. To lay your pistols on the ground and quit is unaccepable by any means. It may be an end to whatever it may be that haunts you, but it opens a whole new world of pain to what was left behind.

I've been there, with friends and myself and I still come to the same conclusion. It's wrong, sometimes it might be understandable to some degree, but the fact still remains - fight or flee, and fleeing from everything is the greatest form of cowardice that I can think of. Granted, running from a fight is the right thing to do at times - to LIVE and fight another day.

We can sit here and argue back and forth about who has had it bad and all that yaya (no offense to you and yours) but I can think of nothing that would justify that choice. There are too many other options available - no one and nothing can control, dictate, predict or assume the course of another human beings life (found that out the hard way) people control themselves and can and will do whatever it is that they desire.

Anyone who deliberately ends their life by their own hands to turn tail and run away from everything is a coward.

D.

[Lordathestrings]

I think that too many people tend to concentrate on fear as a root cause of suicide. Anger is another biggie. Someone can get so 'mad at the world', that there is just no possibility to vent it all in socially acceptable ways. Understand, please, that suicidal people are not thinking in ways that most of us would understand. The process goes something like this:

"I am really, really, angry at you, because _______, but I can't allow myself to hurt you, which makes me angry at myself, plus I am angry at you for causing me this much anger, which makes me even angrier at myself for not living up to my own expectations, therefore I will hurt myself."

Sensible?? No. Frightened?? No. Self-destructive? Oh, yeah.

[metalisbest]

He mostly killed himself because he had stomach problem where it always hurt very bad, and his doctors couldn't do anything about it. So he took heroin to make the pain go away. Finally he couldn't take it anymore. Probally also had something to do with his wife also (Courtney Love).

[Lordathestrings]

Originally posted by metalisbest
... Probally also had something to do with his wife also (Courtney Love). Duchess X to Sir Winston Churchill: "If you were my husband, I would put poison in your tea."

Sir Winston Churchill, in reply to Duchess X: "Madame, if you were my wife, I would drink it!"

[Slow Diver]

Originally posted by Lordathestrings
Originally posted by metalisbest
... Probally also had something to do with his wife also (Courtney Love). Duchess X to Sir Winston Churchill: "If you were my husband, I would put poison in your tea."

Sir Winston Churchill, in reply to Duchess X: "Madame, if you were my wife, I would drink it!"
:D
I've heard that Cortney Love dated with a guy from Faith no More(bass player?). Then...guess what...

He became gay!!!

:D:D:D

[metalisbest]

Haha, ya'll funny people

[kingdavid]

Originally posted by Slow Diver
I've heard that Cortney Love dated with a guy from Faith no More(bass player?). Then...guess what...

He became gay!!!

:D:D:D [/B]
OUCH!!!!!!!

About cowardice and all.
Do you know what it means that so and so died of shock?
It isn't that they saw this guy with such a big dick and they were oh my god,sooo shocked,they died.
Going into shock is how your body is made to react when it can't take any more pain.Like when you die in a fire,shock is one of the major causes of death,along with water loss and all that.When the pain is too much,your body gives up,and you die.
Now,in my opinion,suicide is a sign of a person whose mind gave up.
In traditional african society(and I would know,I'm african),people used to get circumcised,where the anaesthesia was jumping into a cold strreamor river very early in the morning.Now,how cold do you suppose a river in tropical africa can get?5 degrees centigrade,probably.Now,tell me how much effective as a numbing agent water at 5 deg celcius is.
If one was to refuse to go thro' it,you'd be labelled a coward and a disgrace and all that stuff,and eventually you'd be cut forcecfully.
According to you,what is so cowardly about not wanting to get your dick cut just like that?
People tend to use these words in the wrong placee,if you ask me.

[Twist of Fate]

I'm a big Nirvana fan. I respect and love Kurt Cobain. I know everyone was just stating their opinions but some of that shi@ was harsh. There are many factors pointing in both directions of his death. Sucide, and murder. There is alot of evidence pointing that it was suicide. But, there is also alot that is pointing toward his death being a murder.I personaly think he was killed by someone his bitch of a wife hired. The herion he took was way too much to cause him to be able to use a 12 gauge shotgun. The amount he used was like 3x's normal I believe (I guess I'll have to read the book again) and that much would make it impossible to move. I think what happened was he took his normal dose with courtney and then he was so high that she shot him up w/even more the left. Then the killer came in and shot him. That's just my opinion though. Opinions are just like a!!holes everybody's got one. Guess no one will ever know but Kurt, God, the devil, and the person who killed him. Kurt Donald Cobain's body was found April 8, 1994. He was 27 and he will be missed.

I have never failed to fail

[Tele Master]

I understand it to be 3 times the LETHAL DOSE. Meaning he overdosed three times. Which is pretty much impossible, wouldn't it be?

[Slow Diver]

But what i have heard is that the room that he was found in was locked from inside and there was not really a way of getting in there.

[Leedogg]

Did anyone see VH1's Driven last night? It was on Kurt, and pretty informative.

[chris mood]

You can lock a door from the inside then slam it shut as you leave, no big deal.
Does anybody have a url link to his suicide letter? It would be interesting to see.

[Twist of Fate]

Originally posted by chris mood
You can lock a door from the inside then slam it shut as you leave, no big deal.
Does anybody have a url link to his suicide letter? It would be interesting to see.

Try http://www.timpatton.com/nirvana
It's a great website dedicated to nirvana.Check it out for the note and other stuff.

I have never failed to fail

[chris mood]

couldn't find it, went to a couple links no luck.

[SLY]

chris mood - I don't remember where did I get it , but I have it on my pc ... I can e-mail it to you if you want.

[chris mood]

Thanx, I'm gonna try a search engine 1st, I'm sure I'll find it, just being lazy, hoping to get a link from someone.
I just want to see it out of curiousity, I've never read a suicide note before. I'm sure if he was on all that herion that the note os pretty incomprehensible.

[blabj]

curt was left handed and im left handed maybe he was stressed that he couldnt find a guitar that would suit him

[metalisbest]

People shouldn't be reading his suicide letter and his journal that they published. Its just not right.

[chris mood]

Well the suicide letter didn't say a whole lot, basically stated that he didn't like being famous. It was relatively short and hard to read due to his handwriting.

[blabj]

yeah it is kinda hard to write when your in a stress

[Tele Master]

And pumped full of heroin.

[Led Zeppelin]

while pointing a huge shotgun at your face...

[rockonman]

Listen guys, nirvana is possibly one of the best bands ever. The Nevermind album was a hit in almost every major country in the world only weeks after its release. Nirvana only had 3 members its guitarist and vocals kurt cobain drums and vocals david grohl and bass and vocals chris novoselic. And they were the $#!t.

[icecool]

Yeah, no gip man, but you telling me how many members were in Nirvana doesnt exactly make me think they were 'the best band ever'.

[rockonman]

yeah but see they didnt need alot of extra stuff to sound good. they sounded good with just the basics

[icecool]

well i dont think their overall sound was actually that impressive. and its not like they didnt use more than one guitar track whilst recording, plus what ive heard of them live they didnt sound too hot, they had a lot of energy, but they didnt sound amazing.

[metalisbest]

Originally posted by blabj
yeah it is kinda hard to write when your in a stress

I'd have to say he was in more than a little stress.