Metallica

[SLY]

Anybody heard about James' new singature ESP ? It's a 6-strings tuned to B.
It's also rumored that Kirk is gonna have a 7-strings signature .
Check http://www.encycmet.com .

Now everybody can expect what their new album might sound like ... One thing is for sure , I'll be downloading the mp3s first to check if it's worth buying.

Goddamn it , this New Metal sh*t has spoiled our Metallica !

[SLY]

What do you mean ?

[Leedogg]

Yea dude nu-metal sucks

[Axl_Rose]

Dont you have it when people reply to your posts but only to pick you up on sumin or insult you. Stop it trendkillah!

[SLY]

Originally posted by Axl_Rose
Dont you have it when people reply to your posts but only to pick you up on sumin or insult you.

Thanx Axl_Rose ... I guess I'll ignore him . :)

It's realy bad when someone insults you , speicialy if he/she doesn't explain his point though ... I mean it's like pure offense.

I wish if he could act more like a grown up and explain his point instead of posting a meaningless insult like this.

[sithgt6]

I hate to say (damn my words) but Metallica sucks sour frog ass. Don't get me wrong, I used to swear by Metallica for beautifully wicked tracks - but I havn't bought or heard anything from Metallica since the black album that has that snarl to it - it lacks the nuts that it used to.

Now they're doing the whole de-tuned thing to? Please, I can see dropping for that one song (ie: Sad But True) to get the mood you're hunting for - but 90% of all this de-tuned stuff sounds just horrible, why don't they all just trade-in for distorted basses? - I'm sorry but for me nothing sounds as full and nasty as our loyal friend, the good ole E chord...

...ahhh, kinda makes you want to cry. **sniff, sniff**

D.

[canuck7]

i love OLD metallica. i love all that old metal that they did in the 80s/early90s. but now i HATE metallica. i used to love nu-metal, but now i hate it except for KoRn and Slipknot. i like KoRn because i always have and will, and Slipknot because they are just crazy. it's fun to listen to. but i love stuff like old-metallica when it comes to metal now. none of this nu-metal detuning trash. only a select few bands(i could count them on one hand)are worth it. out of many more. not too good for nu-metal.
bottom line: i hate nu-metal (except for the aforementioned 'select few')

[Slow Diver]

Did I get the point in this thread?
Metallica playin new metal :eek:
Well, that is ridiculous!

[Seiko_Hejiro]

Metallica follows the changing times, they went from being no bodies to corporate puppets. Up to the Black Album was good music and good metal, but the Black Album is defaintely the last album to have anything remotely good on it by them. If they start getting into detuning I expect some thrashier stuff from them, cause now a days all i hear from metal bands is one rhythm based on droped D style tunings with slow as repetative power chords. And with drop D it takes a lot less talent and skill to play stuff since a power chord becomes barred...I have respect for nu metal and the lack of talent it represents. It may be simple music that is easy to follow and enjoy for a second but in the end it's musical value is next to nothing, it gets boring fast. I swear more bands are missing the art of music and the enjoyment that can come from creating a good piece and trading it for whatever gets them more potential sales to new fans. I say keep doing what you like, and hope everyone else likes it too, Metallica can suck it if all i hear is **** that goes

da-dunt--da-dunt--da-dunt--da--dunt-da----- over and over and over again. Also Hammetts abilty to write good solos died long ago, it's all ****ty wha now, like the last soul fly album. Nothing remotely intersting or impressive about that. AT any rate it will be the kind of music I will fall asleep to someday.

Meh, that's my 10 cents...

[Axl_Rose]

When I think of metallica I think of

1) Lars sitting by the pool of his million dollar mansion Bad mouthing fake fans who download mp3s. Saying "its not about money, I have tons of it"

2) James Hetfield slagging off posion and motley crue for wearing make up etc, then seeing the members of metallica wearing nail varnish.

3) Finally, I think of mindless power chording on every albums with only two or three good songs. The wide spectrum of good to bad songs is to big. They ruin cool melodic songs by adding thrash outros!

[canuck7]

well, i think that new-metal IS ****.
i mean, there still are bands that i listen to because they are, well, fun. fast, heavy, crazy, and lots of fun to just crank. but the musical value IS next to nothing. i agree wholeheartedly with that.
and if metallica IS going new-metal, then they ARE ****.
IMHO

but that's just me.

[SLY]

Originally posted by trendkillah
You'll probably ignore this post, but I'll elaborate anyway.
A) You basically said all new-metal is ****, which is worth some critisism.
B) You imply that now Metallica has gone new-metal, thus gone ****.(as far as I know, their new release is planned for the summer, do you have an inside scoop?)
C) By saying all of that you imply that playing on a guitar that's not tuned in standard E, you play new-metal, thus ****.

Silly assumptions like that are worth a comment, but I guess I was too lazy to go into it. I'll keep my butt out of topics like this in the future. ;)

Again, my apologies if I upset anyone. I hope nobody lost any sleep over it.

[Edited by trendkillah on 02-11-2003 at 01:14 PM]

By "New Metal" , I wasn't refering to a definite style or something , I was refering to new music that's related to metal or heavy rock , which are mostly sh*t IMHO ... You may have another opinion , and you may describe the types of music I listen to as SH*T , and I won't call you ignorant unless I realy know you are.

Lots of people describe an extremely talented band like Dream Theater as BORING ... I still respect those people, and never called them ignorants.
So I can't be an ignorant just cuz I don't like new metal crap , right ?

If you re-read my first post carefully again , you'll find that I didn't IMPLY that metallica are going into new metal , I said I'm EXPECTING .

It's very normal to expect New Metal album , and perhaps some RAP metal songs too ... Did you know that everything is ok now between Lars & Durst ? Also the track they released with JA Rule ... And you dubbed me IGNORANT posting my expectations.

I know that detuned guitars aren't mainly for new metal , but it's realy hard to believe that metallica are going death metal or anything else , there are NO SIGNS for that.
BTW, death metal is mainly sh*t too IMHO . (although I played in many death metal bands before , and probably will play with other death metal bands in future too, but that will always be my opinion )

Let's do some maths :
2 last albums full of crap that is more close to new metal than to their old style + Rap track with JA rule + fixing relations with Limp Bizkit & touring with them next summer + (B) detuned guitar signatures .... What the Fu*k should I expect the new album to be ???
New Metal is my answer, specificaly with lots of Rapping .... And if you had another opinion , you could have just posted it instead trying to be sarcastic at me, probably just to show off !

No problem anyway ... I replied to your post just to say that I'll only ignore nonsense ... Any sort of grown-up critisism/arguing is always welcome.

[canuck7]

that makes a lot of sense. they also did a rap song with Kid Rock too. he sang American Bad Ass to the riff of some song from the Black Album. more evidence....

[gernm18]

i know that metallica is changing but **** yeah i'll go to their concert they worth it just for some new songs that doesn't change all the old great songs and how great was metallica

[BarHook]

innit amazing that one misunderstanding can lead to 3 pages of crap. Look all trendkillah meant was that, just becuase James a B-tuned guitar and Hammett has a 7-string it doesnt mean that new metal has ruined metallica. He meant you shouldnt jump to conclusions etc.

:-P

[SLY]

Originally posted by canuck7
they also did a rap song with Kid Rock too. he sang American Bad Ass to the riff of some song from the Black Album. more evidence....

Yeah dude , I forgot to mention that too ! :D

[SLY]

Originally posted by BarHook
...He meant you shouldnt jump to conclusions etc...

I didn't jump to conclusion , I started this thread to share my thoughts with other people and to know how do they think about that too.

There is no excuse to insult somebody just cuz you have a different view/opinion.

Anyway , let's forget about it.

[canuck7]

yeah, it's just our/your/their point of view here. i mean, people here didn't jump to conclusions. they heard about the B-tuned guitar and the 7-string so they formulated an idea on current info. that rap metal they have made was evidence that they were moving into that genre. it all makes sense if you put those pieces together.
if you have a different opinion, we'd be happy to hear it.

[SLY]

trendkillah - Cool , hope that you're lucky enough to find the right words before you post next time.

[Koopa]

don't most bands sorta die off after 3 or so albums?

i dunno, im prolly wrong but bands like metallica, ratm, korn started off with some kickass stuff but none of there recent stuff is worth a buy. i think anyway

tell me if im talkin crap :)

[Kirk_Aimar]

Originally posted by Koopa
don't most bands sorta die off after 3 or so albums?

i dunno, im prolly wrong but bands like metallica, ratm, korn started off with some kickass stuff but none of there recent stuff is worth a buy. i think anyway



yeah metallica..starts off with some kickass album.. and now their recent album been dissapointing..but you can't expect a carbon copy of the master or ride the lightning album rite? if every season they come out with the same type of album..it will be dissapointing won't it? well these guys.. have wide music taste.. why not they make an album on what they felt..respect their decision if not have a liking on their dissapointing album at least. Anyway this is just my humble opinion. No offence. :D

[Edited by Kirk_Aimar on 02-13-2003 at 12:57 AM]

[kingdavid]

Originally posted by trendkillah
...SLY, not that I really care what you think of me...
You do.
If you didn't,you wouldn't even bother to point it out,coz you'd be sooooo indifferent,you can't generate enough difference to let the indifference be known.
We're human beings.We have feelings.End of story.
No point masking it.

[kingdavid]

Back to Mettalica,
and the whole notion of "selling out";
I think the response mettalica get with the new album should tell them what their fans think about it.
If doing a good(by whatever measure of good) album gets you sales,then a bad album shouldn't.The words selling out normally imply doing crappy stuff for money,and this is something I've never understood:
How does making a crap album increase your album sales?They should drop!
Or so I thought.

[Axl_Rose]

Selling out is changing your style of music to suit a larger audience, thus to increase sales figures. Becoming more mainstream in other words. Aerosmtih did that.
The irony of selling out is that it doesnt always result in larger sales figures!

[SLY]

Exactly , a band like metallica noticing that the mainstream in radios & MTVs is Rap Metal or other kind of music that is dramatically different from their style and other styles they've grown up on ... So they try to fit themselves into it , in order to be a more radio-friendly band , have some rap/pop fans listening to them , increasing their sales , and worst of all giving up their original style & attitude.

If every metal/rock band goes on like this in order to get mainstream instead of trying to spread their original style , real Metal is gonna die .

Metallica's fans don't want a "Master of Puppets" clone or something... Does "And Justice for All" ,"Master of Puppets" , "Ride The Lightening" , "Kill'em All" & "Black Album" sound the same ?

I once read an interview with Jimi Page and he said that he and Robert Plant don't use the name "Led Zeppelin" anymore in their projects cuz it was nice and they don't want to spoil it.

Anyway , if they think they're getting too old for headbanging & speed metal , they're definately not too young to rap with Limp Bizkit next summer.

[atc323]

I think you're right, that selling out means that they are catering to the mainstream audience, moving towards a style that will sell more albums and make more money. Makes sense right?

How then can you say that Metallica sold out? Most people hated Load and Reload (i think theres some good stuff on there but thats just me)... they made money still - but that was not selling out. Then there was garage inc, they covered a lot of great classic metal songs, songs that most people (mainstream) wouldn't have even heard of or have any desire to hear at all. I won't judge their newest album until I actually hear it myself, just knowing how they tuned their guitars doesn't mean anything to me, why make assumptions. Those guys are old but they are still fully capable of writing kick ass songs, I just know it.

Hey, I don't post here much, but I read it all the time... guitar tricks kicks ass & you guys all rule!

[icecool]

I love a good chance to have a say on Metallica, sorry, i mean selloutallica ;)

Gone are the good days of 'here we are, this is our music, i dont give a f*** whether you like it or not' They were the golden metal days. But now metallica shift with different music 'fads' i.e rap metal, nu-metal and I feel betrayed, nothing they do is inspirational anymore, nothing they do makes me want to say 'you guys still f****ng rule'. Load and Re-load was mostly mindless tripe, nothing new, nothing inventive,made (to my ears) purely for the commercial side of the music buisness, and it is less than pleasing to see a great metal band deteriate into a commercial, predictable mess.

Dont get me wrong, I sincerely hope that metallica turn it around with their new album...but everything is pointing to a 'two riffs per track' mess.

oh, and Hammett should be kicked out. hehe.

[kingdavid]

Speaking of metallica,there's this double cd album they recorded with the san frisco symphony orchestra,it's called S&M.Is that S&M,as in Sanfrisco and Metallica,or as in Sado masochism?

[SLY]

LOL @ " Sado masochism " ! :D

[oldpunker]

The phrase "sell out" is always used in a derogatory way. Let's step back a bit and analyze why Metallica "sold out".

The core of this band, Hetfield, Ulrich, And Hammett have been making recording, and selling music their life since they were 15-16 yrs old. At what point do you think they said, "Hey we don't really have any other skills, so lets listen to what the record company says and see what happens.

Don't get me wrong, I was a die hard Metallica fan up to And Justice and I was crushed when they warned us that they were going in a new direction and then released the Black album at which point I felt violated and exploited. How could they do this to us? I spent so much time, money and loyalty on them for them to go chicken$hit on me?

But I digress.. I stopped listening to them altogether and hated them for years. Around the time I turned 28 or so My IT career started taking off (stay with me here a moment) I had 2 children (now 3) to take care of and thought there would alwys be a need for a PC Technician that could troubleshoot just about any PC issue. Then came outsourcing, the company I worked for laid me off after years of loyalty because they could save a few k a year.

In short, since then I've been a PC tech contractor,a cook, a janitor, a pizza delivery guy,and a security guard. I got back into a company making decent money doing what I do best and they also laid me off after a couple of years.

My point is that it's scary out there when you have few skills and when faced with extinction you may do things that you normally wouldn't do to stay alive. I think Metallica "sold out" because they knew they could be nothing else but musicians. By the way I still can't stand their new music but I understand why thy did what they did.

Sorry if I ranted but I wanted to shed some light on some of the folks that may think that "selling out" is always a bad thing. Sometimes compromising your integrity whether it's musical or not is what you have to do to be succesful, or just survive in music and in life. Take it from a lifelong Punker..