Whose Right?

[Axl_Rose]

Christoph says,
I cant move from G maj to G dorian to G aeloin so whatever cos it would change the key somethings.

Ages ago, a senior moderator said,

Try playing C Lydian, then C Ionian, C Mixolydian, C Dorian, C Aeolian, C Phyrgian, and finally C Locrian (I put them in this order, because that's the order from "brightest" to "darkest" in sound)

Whose right?

[SLY]

Nothing's wrong about changing the key, but you must change the chord progression too.

They're both right.

[Zeppelin]

If you want to stay in G ionian, you shouldnt switch from one to another.,
It doesnt mean you cant play all the modes of G togehter in one peice..
its just that they key will change all the time..
playing all the modes will eventually give you the chromatic scale, which is an artificial 12 notes scale that includes all the 1/2 tones..
this scale is used widley in blues and jazz..

[Christoph]

This is what I actually said . . .



G dorian is F major. And G aeolian is Bb major.



You change modes, you change keys. Simple as that.

[Axl_Rose]

So the only way i can use modes in my solo is if the chord progression changes?!?!? Is this the simple answer Ive been looking for for a year!!! You cant use a different mode unless the chords change?!?

[Christoph]

Let's say you have a progression -

G, C, D, C, F, Dm
(I don't know if this would sound good or not. It's just to illustrate a concept)

What scale do you think you would play over that? G major? . . . but what about the F in F and Dm? Is this where modes come in? . . . you betcha. Over the first three chords, you'd be playing a standard old G major scale. But when you come to C, F, Dm the key changes. You'd play G mixolydian to compensate for the F note.

I think one of your main problems is the music you're listening to. All that old hair metal stuff is usually just in G, A, or D, and it hardly ever changes keys. You need to break out of the 80's hairdo GnR stuff and start listening to some newer music. Start listening to some jazz, some fusion, some heavier/more technical metal, some non-mainstream bands.

The point is that you're not going to see a lot of examples of modes and key changes in your type of music, so it's time to branch out. It's gunna be painful (it was for me), but it's worth it. These days I can hardly stand listening to that 80's hair stuff anymore, cause it sounds so ridiculous.

[pstring]

Try listening to the Beatle's " In My Life", or Del Shannon's "Runaway", you know, some of those 60's hair bands, actually " Sweet Child O Mine" has a mode change in it, you may be vaugely familiar with that..............