Guitar Tricks - I'M BACK

educatedfilm

09-07-2002, 03:13 PM

I'm back... erm, I was gonna post and let you figure that out for yer selves... erm...but i thought i'd save you some time...
What's been happening? There's been talk of a newsletter, can someone fill me in?
I couldn't post for a while, but even if could, I've been working 52 hours a week (40 hours of which are for the minimum wage, and no it's f-ing not f-ing been f-ing any f-ing fun!), cleaning in a bakery... and to make things worse i was on a diet, and i would smell these lovely smells and see this lovely food and never be able to taste it... gggrrrrrrr... and what's worse is that i was working in a room with no windows with a loud machine, for pretty much most of each day..

But i'll have some money to buy a cheap-ish bass and a keyboard, so i can do some serious recording at uni...
THat reminds me, Hey rask! I went and listened to "Elephant riders" by clutch, and goddam it's good... it's got elements of KC and the sunshine band in there, and are really funky. I'll probably get the album. It's low tuned, but it sounds funky rather than dark or heavey... so, much apreciated rask.

Josh Redstone

09-07-2002, 07:57 PM

Welcome back then. I remembered something about a guy who said they where leaving for a while, was that you?
Anyway, on the note of keyboards I've been messing around with the piano and drums. They're both fun instruments. Just thought I'd fill everyone in.
Anyway its cool your back.

Christoph

09-07-2002, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by educatedfilm
. . . I've been working 52 hours a week (40 hours of which are for the minimum wage . . .)

Damn those greedy capitalist bastards!!!

iiholly

09-07-2002, 08:47 PM

It's the American way, but knowing my luck the dude is probably Canadian or something.

Josh Redstone

09-07-2002, 08:52 PM

Your lucky your not applying for a job here.
I got turned down at the foodland. It was either my hair or the fact that I coulnd't speak french.
Anyway, at least in most places in the States bilingualism isn't a requirement. It would probably help though.

iiholly

09-07-2002, 08:54 PM

My parents want me to get a job, but of course thats just what they want.

Josh Redstone

09-07-2002, 09:09 PM

Yeah, but your not from Canada, so you dont have to learn French to get a job in a rural location where 90% of the population speaks English anyway. Bah!

iiholly

09-07-2002, 09:11 PM

Well, I hope to be close to bi-langual when I'm out of highschool. Spanish class kicks. It deffinetely doesn't hurt if your bilangual in America. I mean we are pretty diverse.

Josh Redstone

09-07-2002, 09:14 PM

We are too. We have two national languages, French and English. I've always been terrible in French class. Its only mandatory up to grade 9, so when I passed that I was like, "Sweeeeet!"
I might be better at it if I used it more, but I never have, so whatever I learned is gone now.

iiholly

09-07-2002, 09:16 PM

Ya well that's life.

Josh Redstone

09-07-2002, 09:18 PM

Its a bummer sometimes.

iiholly

09-07-2002, 09:22 PM

Ya I just think it will be cool to bi-langual so I can meet more people who speak spanish. Just like a zone into a whole nother uh well zone. Languages are about the only useful things they teach us in school unless your going to be a scientist, historian and some other things. All school is, is a preperation for the next level.

Josh Redstone

09-07-2002, 09:27 PM

Yeah, but Im bad at that stuff.
I should say that, I mean, my grades are okay, but I have no interest in anything other than the guitar. Its an obsession. Lucky thing my highschool has a rockband run by the music teacher. Thats probably my best subject. They call the course Music In Life.

iiholly

09-07-2002, 09:28 PM

I wish we had a class like that. But our school is small, so the variety of course we can take is small.

Josh Redstone

09-07-2002, 09:40 PM

Same here. Our music teacher wont move to a city school. The last school I was at had only 300 kids, then they closed it, so the band moved to another school woth about 600.
Its the most fun course you could ever take. I've got tonnes of pics, great memories, but they havent got our new rehearsal room done yet, they better hurry, or the band is in seriouse trouble.

Bardsley

09-08-2002, 02:39 AM

Welcome back, hope you get a raise. Rask hasn't been around here in a while. He was moving, but I don't know what's happened to him.

^Chacron^

09-08-2002, 04:08 PM

Languages rock :) Whilst we're on the subject I might as well say I'm starting a degree in languages in three weeks time. German is my main one and Spanish my second. French would be useful but I could never get the hang of it back at school. And the spanish music is certainly creative and useful. When I was living there earlier in the year I heard some great Flamenco guitarists. And one guy who was teaching me spanish could play the blues really well, he had a great band who would play in the bars round the town. Never heard a Gibson SG played quite like that....ah the memories.

iiholly

09-08-2002, 08:51 PM

What is some unuseful genres of music? I mean every culture as their good and bad music.

Incidents Happen

09-08-2002, 10:38 PM

good music and bad music is a matter of preference.

PonyOne

09-09-2002, 12:36 AM

I don't use jazz theory; it's too theoretical for me.

I heard a Spanish band called "Kinky" play at a tour this year, they were absolutely awesome, very unique & interesting, at least by the pop-froth dominated US scene.

educatedfilm

09-09-2002, 06:12 AM

lmao, I came back to have a look at this thread... and found that it was 3 pages long, i thought i was really popular, only to find that you bastards had started chatting amoung yer selves... oh well...
I'm bilingual, I speak English and arabic (both as fisrt language, i haven't got a preference for either)... But god, I had some miserable times due to it, because we didnt know we'd be here permenantly (when i was little), i would go to yer standard comprehensive school here which is in English, and then get home do my english home work, and then do the arabic school work, and at weekends i'd go to arabic school... I hated it soooooooooooooo much, but i think it did give me an advantage... by the way, when i did arabic studies it wasn't just language, I did the full range of subjects (literature, maths, science(s), history, goegraphy etc etc)... When i was only at primary school this was ok, cos the work wasn't heavy, and i hope i dont sound arrogant, but i'm fairly bright acedemically (my spelling leaves a lot to be desired though)... by the time i was in my mid teen, it was TOO much, and i ended up taking time off english school to catch up with arabic school (which would finish a month and a half before), and then come back to english school to catch up, arrrrrrrrrrrrgg, just thinking about it brings it all back... but luckly it all stopped when i was 15..

I'm not at work today, cos i quit.. I need to buy stuff for when i move to uni next week... oh actually, i might not be able to post as much when i'm there.... bugger..

PonyOne

09-09-2002, 02:25 PM

Yeah, I know English, some Spanish & Italian, can read Dutch, and I'm learning Hebrew. The only things I ever say in any other language are "burrito grande, arroz, frijoles negro, queso, salsa rojo, picante caliente, gracias" and "no habla espanol."

I'm trying to find a job. I have an interview today at Barnes & Noble... boy am I ever moving up in the world!!! As soon as I get the $200, I'm going to start taking night classes on business at UCLA, and become a capitalist... no, actually it's so I can market myself successfully to other business people, and then manage myself and step on those "snakes in the grass."

That, and until I can get a half decent career in music, I can actually make more than $250/week. Frickin USA, wtih its economy spiraling down into oblivion with an illiterate Texan at the helm...

Christoph

09-09-2002, 11:23 PM

What exactly would you have the "illiterate Texan" do? The president has very little to do with the economy, but he at least tried to give people a tax cut so they would have more money to spend. The economy is controlled by the Federal Reserve, which is, in turn, controlled by super rich bankers.

Plus, it really doesn't help when we have a bunch of liberal save-the-planet dumb****s running around trying to cripple the world economy even further with that Kyoto crap.

PonyOne

09-10-2002, 02:13 AM

True, the far leftist Greenpeace camp is just as bad as the fatcats.

Bush doesn't have the direct control that so many think he does, and I know this; I remind people of it often enough. But he does have the ability to and has created a plethora of junk positions with big, important, anti-terrorist names that serve no purpose whatsoever that allow his buddies to be feds too.

Our president may not be the absoulte dictator that the rest of the world thinks he is and that's their fault. But at least Clinton visited other nations regularly, and the economy was flyin' high, and having a well-spoken leader can mean a lot. True, I'd rather have a beer and a hooker with Clinton than have him plan out a big family support network, but then I'd rather go shoot animals and snort coke with Bush than have him plan how to root out terrorism.

educatedfilm

09-10-2002, 06:21 AM

*baffelled by last paragraph*???? I dont understand where you comming from (this isn't a critisism, it's just that i really dont understand)
Dont worry i'm not gonna get political...

Bardsley

09-10-2002, 09:25 AM

I think he was suggesting that Clinton is better with hookers and beer than family support, and Bush is better at taking drugs than combating terrorism. Hate to be provacative, Christoph ;), but how much influence do you really think the Greenies have? On one hand you want to discount them as being morons, but on the other you attribute them with some sort of power over the economy. Your government is not going to sign Kyoto, so the treaty is making no difference whatsoever to your economy. Of course, I am an environmentalist to a degree (actually, when you think about it, what's more important: money now, or air later? Maybe the earth isn't as in as bad shape as some people say, but it's going to come to a head eventually), but I don't think that environmentalists have really any power.

Christoph

09-10-2002, 01:47 PM

If environmentalists are so powerless, then why have Russia and Japan gone against all reason and ratified the protocol, crippling their economies in the process? By the way, in case you haven't noticed, we are now operating in a world economy, so what one country does affects all others. Personally, I would rather be able to find a job right now, than worry about some dumbasses having air two hundred years from now.

PonyOne

09-10-2002, 03:36 PM

I'll take air...

Ed, basically, the only reason anyone who's not a republican in the US hates Clinton is because of the Monica Lewinsky scandal (I'm sure you heard of that over in the UK). Clinton was a great president, which is what we elected him for. Conversely, he was a very sleazy dude, again, better suited to pimpin hoes with Snoop Dogg than reading bedtime stories to underpriveliged children.

Another big scandal in the US, although our consumer-oriented, week-by-week society has mostly forgot it now, was that when bush was asked in an interview if he'd ever done cocaine, he didn't answer. When pushed, he said something to the effect of "it shouldn't matter what you did in the past." He also had a load of college buddies, ex-friends, and acquaintances admit to having snorted lines with him. Just the type of guy I want representing us to already narrow-minded European parliamentaries who DO have economic leverage against us!!!!

The only way that the Greenies have leverage in the economy is via what they buy. Their voice is so, so, so small that it gets drowned out by the other economic powers-that-be. After all, sure, there are now ten million vegetarians in the US (I'm #6,566,382), but has McDonald's or Burger King started losing money? No. Have the decreased the sales of SUV's that dump gas into the air and replace them with high-mpg cars? No, actually it's the other way around.

I'm not a greenie, i'm not a leftist, i'm not a peacenik, i'm not a republican, i'm not a democrat, i just have my beliefs and let the chips fall where they do. And I don't understand the logic that we can just go ahead and tear up the world now, because we'll be dead in 200 years, and they can deal with it. If Bush Sr. had the cajones to go in and kill Saddam, or even just finish what he said he would and help the Iraqi people, and then he and every other president we had would have done something to put a halt ot terrorism, then there was a big bad thing that happened one year ago tomorrow that wouldn't have happened.

What gets me is that we don't do anything UNLESS it's profitable. It wasn't profitable to fight terror, so of course, it didn't matter when Jews and Afghanis were being tortured by terrorists, but when we get hit... then we care. I love the US, I just hate the bastards that run it at the moment.

Now that i'm done typing, I think that I'll go and dump some $$$ into the economy buying some fake meat products and a pair of recycled-plastic tennis shoes....

educatedfilm

09-10-2002, 06:26 PM

(yep, we've heard about the cocain thing... and the draft dodging, but i kinda like him cos the tabloids have slated him on very weak reasons, like they printed all 150 people he put to death when he was texans governer, what they didn't mention was that these poeple were convicted murderers and pulling the switch is the governers job, not Bush's hobby... I know it's not a good idea, but i'm like that... I'll admit, when he speaks off the cuff he can crack me up http://www.bushspeaks.com )
thank you, that's cleared up (I think i'll sit this one out)..

edit: oh yeah, although i'm dead against this currnet push against iraq, I do very much hold him and his aids in high respect for pointing out the day afer 911 that it wasn't a war with islam.... he's also got an arab/ american body gaurd (wich reminds me of a "dumb americans" story, i know americans aren't dumb at all, but over here it keeps us amused. After 911, they air crew on one of the planes refused to let Bush's arab body gaurd on, also they wouldn't let on a pair of orthodox rabbaies with beards, lmao, and also a siek guy got beat up in new york cos they thought he was a taliban... heheh, sorry, I know steroetypes are wrong, and i dont genuenly belive americans are dumb at all, it's just your sitcoms, and your politicains who talk like they're on a 30 second infomertail rahter than a serious political discussion)

[Edited by educatedfilm on 09-10-2002 at 05:34 PM]

iiholly

09-10-2002, 08:57 PM

I don't like infomercials. And some people would like to take care of the planet, because they appreciate what they were given. And that is all.

Christoph

09-10-2002, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by PonyOne
Clinton was a great president . . .

Ha . . . bwahahahahahahhahahhhahahaaahahahahahaaaaaaha.

Is that the joke of the day or something? What is one positive thing that he accomplished? (sure go ahead, try and list some, and I'll debunk them just as fast) By the way, he was elected not because he was anyone special, but because he was backed by the economic elite and all the gullible stooges who make up the majority of our voting populace fell for the slogans and the promises.

Originally posted by PonyOne
The only way that the Greenies have leverage in the economy is via what they buy. Their voice is so, so, so small that it gets drowned out by the other economic powers-that-be.

Actually, most of the big name hollywood people (actors, directors, etc) are all "greenies". And their economic power is only matched by their popular influence. Every time that Baldwin idiot gets up and says something about the economy, the President, or the environment it gets major media coverage.

Originally posted by PonyOne
If Bush Sr. had the cajones to go in and kill Saddam, or even just finish what he said he would and help the Iraqi people, and then he and every other president we had would have done something to put a halt ot terrorism, then there was a big bad thing that happened one year ago tomorrow that wouldn't have happened.

Speaking of great things that Clinton has done, wasn't he the one who let Usama Bin Donkass slip through his fingers? What would getting rid of Saddam have done to change that?

Originally posted by PonyOne
I love the US, I just hate the bastards that run it at the moment.

Actually the people running the US right now are the same people who have always run it (and other countries for that matter), rich and powerful people. Whatever figurehead they choose for the moment doesn't really matter (Clinton, Bush, Donald Duck). I just feel we should give credit where credit is due.

iiholly

09-10-2002, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Christoph
Originally posted by PonyOne
Clinton was a great president . . .

Ha . . . bwahahahahahahhahahhhahahaaahahahahahaaaaaaha.

Is that the joke of the day or something? What is one positive thing that he accomplished? (sure go ahead, try and list some, and I'll debunk them just as fast) By the way, he was elected not because he was anyone special, but because he was backed by the economic elite and all the gullible stooges who make up the majority of our voting populace fell for the slogans and the promises.

Technically, if you are speaking of Bush, he wasn't elected. Because;
1. Florida can't count.
2. The damned electoral college that was created based on the ignorance of your every day American. So if we weren't such idiots we would get rid of the electoral college, but that would be to difficult.
3. Not that this has anything to do with the subject, but guns should be illegal to a regular citizen (it was intended for people in militias) according to the Bill of Rights.

Christoph

09-11-2002, 12:21 AM

No, I was speaking of Clinton. Oh, and by the way, the electoral college exists to protect the people from themselves. You see, anyone who knows anything knows that a purely democratic system is flawed and will eventually fall. This is why the founding fathers of America built in checks and balances to the ever swaying and capricious will of the people. The opinions of the people can be bought and easily manipulated, so this is why we have the electoral college; and also why, before our country began its unfortunate present slide into mediocrity, senators were elected by the state legislatures.

And about your number 3 . . . well, that's exactly what people who are completely detached from reality always say. If you had ever been raped, mugged, or beaten to a pulp in an alleyway, you would probably feel differently on the subject. It's no coincidence that Britan has been experiencing ever increasing crime rates ever since they "outlawed" guns. Poor people . . . It all comes down to the question of personal responsibility versus having a bunch of faceless people (i.e. the State), who don't really give a crap about you, trying to take care of your best interests. Which would you prefer?

PonyOne

09-11-2002, 12:42 AM

Clinton made more tries to kill OBL than Bush did... in that, until 9/11, he didn't try at all... Okay, so if Clinton wasn't a great pres, is Bush? Because if you say yes, I will laugh back at you...

Clinton did a good job on the economy and I know that you'll probably argue that economies go up & down, and that's true, but isn't it funny how nder one guy the economy goes up, then the second the next guy gets in, it goes down?

And why didn't you comment on any of the BS positions Bush has created? There is no justification for 3/4 of the new seats he's put in, hey, we got along great through 5 wars without them.

What has the republican party managed to do successfully in the past 50 years? Make the rich richer, the poor poorer, the sky darker and then there was that little conflict in Vietnam... I don't particularly like the Democratic party much either, but the Republicans have sure done worse.

The electoral college being here to save us from our own stupidity??? Well, it sure managed to get a stupid person in office! It's a load of crap. It's also a load of crap how in many Republican states there weren't polls set up in black ghettos, which predominantly are Democratic, and in situations like Chicago, where people volunteered to step in and drive people from said ghetto to an area with ballots, the cops pulled them over for not having a taxi liscence when there was no money exchanged...

Celebrities can say a lot about political casues, but, for example, how many guys who were in love with Alicia Silverstone went Vegan because she is? And how many people really care about Alec Baldwin? Not many... and yes, rich bastards are still in power, they're just different rich bastards, who happen to care less about other people.

The people wanted Gore, and they got Bush. So, if the electoral college got Gore in, would it still be to protect us from our own stupidity? Or would it be stupid? Regardless of who get selected I'm against it.

holly, I must degress on the gun issue. With the life that i have lead, with seeing friends get killed and also having tried the "bigger person" defense against violence and getting the beans knocked outta me, I am definitely pro-firearm. In nations like Switzerland, Sweden and the Netherlands, where 80% of the populace has a handgun and about 60% has an automatic assault rifle, murders come in yearly in the tens... not the ten tohusands... it also wouldn't hurt to have a decent education system.

Christoph

09-11-2002, 01:48 AM

Yeah, Clinton launched a few missles, blew up a few villages, but remember, at that time our embassies had been attacked and OBL was a big item on the agenda. Fast forward a few years to Bush, and the world had practically forgotten that OBL existed. I can't blame Bush for not dealing with a threat that wasn't even known at the time.

No, I would never make the absurd suggestion that Bush is a great President, so you'll have to save up your laughs. But how can Clinton have done a "great job" on the economy when you've already agreed that presidents have nothing to do with the economy? Anyway, the fact is that we haven't had a great pres since Kennedy (there was a reason he was assassinated, you know).

Yeah, it's really funny how we had that great economy going for a long time, and then as soon as Bush got in, it all went in the toilet. Since presidents have no control over the economy (a fact that the average voter doesn't realize), it sorta makes the thinking person wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes. Like why did our pal Greenspan start raising interest rates like a mofo at the end of Clinton's term even though all economic data pointed to doing otherwise? Think about it.

Heh, I'm not really for either political party. They're all bull**** artists, and they all care about the same things - money and power. The only difference between the parties is that they go about getting those things in different ways. If I had my way, I would just move to a little dinkwater country in South America that no one cares about and just forget that all this crap ever existed. I'd just like to see a little objectivity now and then.

The electoral college a load of crap? . . . I don't think so. All those things you mentioned sound really bad, but they don't have anything to do with the electoral college. Just a lot of emotive jargon designed to get people off the subject. The electoral college existed so that people living in the countryside, where the population density is lower, wouldn't be dominated by the will of the people in the cities. Now it's pretty much pointless because the Constitution is in tatters. (These days the electoral votes of each state are linked to however the people of that state vote. It didn't used to be like that. The popular vote for the president was just a spectacle, and the electorates could vote however they wanted.) If you want to know what's really going on, I suggest you study American history and the trends therein. You'll be surprised at what you find. For example, why do we even have senators any more? They're completely rundundant, since now both they and the reps are elected by the people.

About the whole celebrity issue . . . who cares about Alec Baldwin and the rest of the hollywood bunch? Oh, just those few hundred liberal politicians receiving millions of dollars in campaign contributions from them. Tom Hanks anyone???

Now who's up for a thousand dollar tofu sandwich?

iiholly

09-11-2002, 09:37 PM

Drugs should be legal, because if anyone knows what's going down the streets that where the basis of most murders come from. Also, people on the streets have better weapons then cops which is pretty sad. Also, if someone is about to mug, rape, ect. what's the likliness of you being emotionally steady enough to fire a gun? Your more likely to shoot yourself in the foot.

PonyOne

09-11-2002, 09:55 PM

You really know what you're talking about, don't you...

Lordathestrings

09-11-2002, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by PonyOne
You really know what you're talking about, don't you... I'm inclined to agree with PonyOne (http://www.guitartricks.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=3228&pagenumber=2) on this one.

Bardsley

09-12-2002, 09:51 AM

While I am not a fan of gun ownership, I think it is often a matter of culture. In Australia, guns have been fairly well kept down, so people don't need them. As soon as there are as many people owning them as there are in the states, well, you can understand how it might be safer that everybody be allowed have them, rather than just put in place laws that only the criminals will be able to bypass.
Side note, Christoph, your view of what "objective" is baffles me. I'm not able to comment objectively on society, and, I'm sorry, but neither are you. You assume that an economy will be crippled by Kyoto; I believe that it is possible to develop an economy base don jobs created through environmental workers. It comes down a lot to values. While I believe in air for future generations, and similarly believe that animals deserve habitat (for instance), you don't. All of these values colour what we see as "fact" to make everything we say completely subjective. If I say Clinton was great because he inspired people (as an example), and you say he sucked because of employment (again, random word), there's no objective truth as to what is better,and to who is right about him.
Of course, guys, I love you all. :D

Christoph

09-12-2002, 01:01 PM

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That's all I have to say to that. BTW, check out my new website.

educatedfilm

09-12-2002, 01:14 PM

Lmao... a conservative through an' through... great add for yer site though... *clicks on link*

Raskolnikov

09-12-2002, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by educatedfilm
I went and listened to "Elephant riders" by clutch, and goddam it's good... it's got elements of KC and the sunshine band in there, and are really funky. I'll probably get the album. It's low tuned, but it sounds funky rather than dark or heavey... so, much apreciated rask.

Glad to hear you like it, man. It's always cool to introduce people to awesome music while helping out a band who's been busting their asses for over a decade.

On a side note, The Elephant Riders is in standard tuning. A few Clutch tunes are in drop D (The Soapmakers, The Dragonfly, Sea of Destruction, a few others), but not many. Actually, they've recorded some material about a quarter step sharp.