Guitar Tricks - Korn sucks, right?

AtomicMassUnit

07-09-2000, 04:27 PM

Korn deserves our pity. after all, if they changed and made good music now, people would hang the sellout label on them just like when other bands did the same thing. Even worse than Korn, is the clones... god save use from all those terrible imitators!! even if the korny guys were classical guitarists, it doesnt bring anything better to the table, i was a classical guitarist and i think it's bull****, just memorization. Ever seen crossroads? Lol. Damned detuned crap.

Atomic

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zepo

07-09-2000, 07:46 PM

One thing that korn has done (besides suck) is learn how to not put strings on the guitar! If you ever look at a picture of the guitar players the f'n strings are hanging off the guitar barely even strung on! ohh yeah just to reinstate this, korn sucks the big one.

ekstasis16

07-09-2000, 08:28 PM

While I dislike Korn and everything else currently 'popular', so to speak, I give them credit for inventing a new style that has spread. All the clones are 10 times worse because they're just copying crap.

John O'Carroll

07-11-2000, 10:09 AM

Thanks for the heads-up on Korn - now I won't waste my time trying to find out what all the hype is about.
Any other "all hype" bands out there to be avoided ?

loner92

07-11-2000, 12:23 PM

Korn sucks, Korn clones suck (Limp Bisquick, etc.), rap sucks, rap metal sucks.

jake sommers

07-11-2000, 12:30 PM

yo rap doesn't suck by no means. maybe you're not listening to the right people.

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Shlag

07-11-2000, 12:45 PM

The bottom line is Korn sucks(again in my opinion). If the guitarist is an accomplishied classical guitarist, then why don't he put that skill in his guitar playin'. Have you ever heard of Pantera's Dimebag Darell(I'm pretty sure you have). He plays alot of crunchy riffs, but he can solo like the best, i.e. Cemetery Gates. If korn can string their guitars properly and take the time to do it, then why don't they take the time and learn to play a guitar.

Shlag

07-11-2000, 12:48 PM

I forgot to add that when I stated Dimebag is like one of the best on soloing, well that is my opinion too.

robrules

07-11-2000, 01:19 PM

I like Korn but I can't stand Limp Dikzit.

loner92

07-11-2000, 01:31 PM

All rap sucks. I could waste m time explaining why this is my belief, but I won't.

James

07-11-2000, 05:34 PM

I don't think the guitarist was ever a classical musician, I saw an interview of him one day and he mentioned how they were into the bull**** they put out now since they were kids. Robrules how can you like Korn and not RATM? I'll pretend you didn't say they blow... whether they are "against" capitalism or not (they follow socialist ideals but that's not to say they're entirely against capitalism, neccessarily), what are they supposed to do? Say, "I think I'll just throw away my millions of dollars"?

BadHorsie

07-11-2000, 09:37 PM

I see a lot of blind opinions being posted here. Whether or not you like a certain type of music is fine. I personally like to listen to Korn when I'm in the mood. 99% of the time, though, I listen to Satch, Vai, Johnson, etc. Other times I'll listen to rap/metal or just plain rap or metal. As a musician I like to listen to all kinds of music and pick out the parts of the song I think have a good melody or beat. Anything you listen to, you can learn something from whether you like it or not. As for this whole classical thing, you guys think that Korn would have kick ass riffs if they could play classical music? Ever heard of the band "Poison"? Guess what? C.C. Deville was and still is an accomplished classical guitarist! Yet he still lacks in his guitar playing when it comes to rock. Everyone knows this. I know friends of the band who say that the only reason they keep C.C. in the band is because he was there when they got big and don't want to lose the image. Korn and Limp are just doing their thing. Rappers are doing their thing. If you don't like it you don't have to listen to it or buy it. That's how I look at it. Thanks for taking the time to read this post and hopefully you all learned something from it. Peace!

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Bridog888

07-11-2000, 11:14 PM

I'm not into rap at all, and to truly understand how much rap/metal artists lack talent, my band wrote a rap/metal song. Of course we had no rap talent, but the song explain how bad rap sucks. Rap sucks and so does Korn.

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jake sommers

07-11-2000, 11:41 PM

yo whatever loner92, that ain't right to dismiss rap like that. there are so many different kinds and styles that I think it's wrong to do so. What if i hated whitesnake or damn yankees would that give me carte blanche to hate every other rock band past and present even if they aren't even the same styles. yo i'm out

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AtomicMassUnit

07-12-2000, 02:34 AM

If you hate a style of music and can't see the value in it, it just means you're uneducated. Truly, i used to hate a lot of things until i took the time to explore them and learn what makes them valid. It's like any other kind of prejudice, a judgement based on a generalization and ultimate ignorance/blindness. I don't like every band out there, but somewhere in every style is an artist that will blow you away and is taking music as a whole to a higher, or at least different, place.

Atomic

jake sommers

07-12-2000, 05:17 AM

exactly, but they're not uneducated but they have an uneducated view of things is more appropriate. We ain't looking to offend anybody on this here thing. yo, but i'm totally feeling what you're saying Atomic.

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robrules

07-12-2000, 07:18 AM

James
I am sorry I should not have said they blow. I enjoy their music, but our political views conflict. That is what music is all about, trying to get your opinion across to someone else. Take almost any group or person from the 60s their music is the way they voiced their opinion.

Shlag

07-12-2000, 12:54 PM

Well, I see we all have good points and I know, I was hoping for that. I used to listen to alot of rap when I was 13-14 and a half, but don't get me wrong, it started to suck. The majority of the lyrics were about sex, violence, drugs, and a gangster's life. And sometimes it wouldn't relate to that. I've always listen to alot of rock, heavy metal, hard rock etc., But these days it just seems to me that some of the good ol' 70's/80's bands are starting to really suck and are just using a name to bring them back. I really don't hate this new style of metal, but like what some suggest don't buy or listen to them, it just makes things better if you don't bicker about it. I just used korn as an example, because before they put out "Follow the Leader", I thought they were doing good for Heavy Metal, but now I just can't stand them, along with some other bands. And just for the hell of it, one of my first albums I got to listen to was White Zombie: La Sexorcisto. Hey, I really liked Thunder Kiss '65. Now it's Rob Zombie, and I don't think the band is better than the Old one. I thought J. was a good guitarist and he was one of my favorites.

robrules

07-12-2000, 01:25 PM

J is the guitarist for Rob Zombie too. His name is John Tempesta. Robrules comes because I love Rob Zombie and even more White Zombie's music.

loner92

07-12-2000, 01:48 PM

Rap is talentless garbage fueled by stupidity and hype.
Formula for making a hit rap "song"/video (rappers never have hits without videos, becaus without the video, thre's nothing hiding how stupid the crap really is):
1. Clad yourself in some ridiculous looking overpriced trendy brand-name outfit, complete w/ 45 lbs. of jewelry

2. Gather several "homiez" in similar dumb outfits, have them stand on a platform and make bizzare "gangsta" shadow puttpets at the crowd, acting as if they were mentally challenged.

3. Get one of those bouncing cars that everyone thinks is "cool" now, have it drive by w/ some of the previously mentioned "homiez" in it making the shadow puppets, throw in a few "hoez" (whores) in tiny outfits.

4. Have the "hoez" shake their titties and butts at the camera.

5. Throw some money around (literally), shoot at and/or run from cops, repeat steps 1-5 sveral times.

6. After completing a video that yo' "homiez" declare "da schiznit"(after all, image comes before music in the world of "hip-hop), go buy a $15 Casiotone keyboard from Wal-Mart.

7. Find a dumb soundng patch on the Casiotone, then a drum machine "demo" on it, hit two keys back and forth, creating an "ill" "groove".

8. Blab for 2-3 minutes about some nonsensical bs like "pimpin da hoez", "flashin' da g's", "robbin' da local qwick mart", or "life in da hood". Yuor rymes don't even have to make sense, in fact, make up some word for the sole sake of rhyming, like "da schiznet".

9. Layer the crap in steps number 7 and 8
over top of the video.

10. Have eMpTytV play it, where some trendy icon will label it "cool" or "fly".

And ther you have it, 10 easy steps to a multi-platinum hit record, with very little thought involved.

Shlag

07-12-2000, 02:19 PM

Yup, I agree. That's Why I don't give a thought about it.

robrules

07-12-2000, 03:10 PM

loner92
that was right on

iamthe_eggman

07-12-2000, 03:16 PM

although i listen to rock, the one rap song i was really exposed to and still appreciate is "Crossroads" by bone thugs 'n harmony. unlike the newer garbage that lonerboy described. it had a good video (made the MuchMusic top 10 a few years ago, i think) and interesting lyrics.

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jake sommers

07-12-2000, 10:06 PM

yo, i think you are like on the borderline.you made some pretty nice streotypes there loner. So what your saying is all blacks can do is that. every video ain't like. you're caught up with the hype you see on mtv like Cash Money crew. It ain't all like that. and i honestly think you got something against blacks.( Yo Jon, i don't care if you repremand for what i said. but yo i'm a man and i'm gonna say what's in my heart. i don't feel like dealin wit bs like this on this site. and i think his remarks were kinda a stereotypical look on blacks. you could of came right out and said look at these stupid nigg¤rs making money. That's all you really needed to say.

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Raskolnikov

07-12-2000, 10:06 PM

I can't say all Rap sucks. Especially alot of the old school stuff. Atleast then it was original, and alot of the songs were relevant to this world and peoples problems. But as anything works, Public Enemy, KRS1, and the Beastie Boys have been replaced by, well, unoriginal crap.

jake sommers

07-12-2000, 10:09 PM

yo, i think you are like on the borderline.you made some pretty nice streotypes there loner. So what your saying is all blacks can do is that. every video ain't like. you're caught up with the hype you see on mtv like Cash Money crew. It ain't all like that. and i honestly think you got something against blacks.( Yo Jon, i don't care if you repremand for what i said. but yo i'm a man and i'm gonna say what's in my heart. i don't feel like dealin wit bs like this on this site. and i think his remarks were kinda a stereotypical look on blacks. you could of came right out and said look at these stupid n¤gg¤rs making money. That's all you really needed to say. you top reasons mean the same damn thing to me.

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Raskolnikov

07-12-2000, 10:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by robrules:
Korn music is not RAP\METAL. They are not the best musicians but I like the sounds they make. Rage ATM blows, the are against capitalism which is what allows them to make millions.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1). I don't think RATM is raking in that much money
2). They are all supurb musicains, and very well suited to the rolls they play.
3). I think the point is to draw attention to the flaws in our society, not to dismantel it entirely

James

07-12-2000, 10:31 PM

wow this topic really took off... well I'm back to voice my opinion again. First of all, robrules thank you for your apology about RATM, we're cool. I can understand the anger when when political views conflict. Second, let me give an "lol" to loner for his amusing commentary on rap. Now I'll take the diplomatic stance and try to bring about some peace between jake and the others. 1) loner you can't generalize all rap like that, nothing can be generalized in this world; although I get the impression that you were half joking about some of it. For the most part I think you are right abotu rap, but it's not all like that. Don't generalize. 2) Jake, don't be so hard on him man, I never got the impression that he was making a social commentary on blacks. But you are right when you say that there is some good rap out there. Now to clarify my views on Korn, since I sensed a little bit of enemosity towards my previous post that put Korn down. I *personally* don't care for their music. That's not to say they don't have talent (in their own way) or that they aren't good performers. And I can honestly say that I haven't heard that much of them, so I may be ignorant on the matter. But from what I have heard (MTV, Woodstock), I didn't like it. There..

AtomicMassUnit

07-12-2000, 10:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by robrules:
J is the guitarist for Rob Zombie too. His name is John Tempesta. Robrules comes because I love Rob Zombie and even more White Zombie's music.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

J doesn't play for Rob Zombie. J's real name is Jay Yuenger. John Tempesta was White Zombie's drummer. Rob Zombie's guitarist and bassist are named Riggs and Blasko. Anyway, if i offended anyone earlier, i apologize, jake understood me correctly, so ya'll read what he has to say.

Atomic

robrules

07-12-2000, 11:01 PM

yep I looked at the cover books and I was way off. I guess I don't have enough time to memorize all the bands I like. Too many CDs not enough time (or money).

Raskolnikov

07-12-2000, 11:12 PM

I have a very similar problem, although it's augmented by my musical interests expanding in all directions instead of just one I walk into a store wanting to buy about 8 CD's, each from a differnt genre, and I can't even really afford one.

jake sommers

07-12-2000, 11:17 PM

yo, to loner and everyone on here, I'm Sorry for my remarks. but it's still bugging me. What if i came on hear and said all yall white people do nothing but dress like bums and homeless people(not my opinion) but i think that would be wrong if said that. Ok just visualize, say all the top ten, Now picture John Rocker just said that. Now don't you think he'll be in trouble again for being a racist. Okay i can deal with the remarks but they were kinda on the bogus tip. you are making stereotypical remarks that all these news people make. I think Jealousy has a thing to play in this(not with you bro) but i'm just saying these phycologists and socialologists say all these bad things about rap for the main purpose is these people spent 8 years in college and all they are making is 50 60g's a year but you can take one of these freshfaced 20 year old black men without an impressive education netting 5-10 million dollars a year and i swear that eats them up insisde. i swear to god it does, and Mtv doesn't show even show that much rap actually very little there are only a handful of artist who they do show, probally like 5 or 6 and i don't think they even Mtv Raps comes on anymore. and a lot of your remarks are stuff that nobodies done in about ten years. No i don't ever listen to heavy metal but what if i said that all it does is promote violence and tell kids to commit suicide and talk about sex. i know nothing about heavey metal but what if said that or all they do in their videos is just sit in an abadoned warehouse playing instruments looking like bummy girls dressed in tight-ass sissy jeans with 50 holes in the pants legs, hair teased and sprayed with hairspray like a girl and the t shirt with pit stains and 5 holes up the front and back . Now from no type of understanding of heavy metal it's very wrong for me to say what i said and i can't really say it cause i don't know. i'm just trying to give you an example.
yo i'm not mad at you but what you said can be taken 2 different ways and i don't think you meant it in the way i thought, but some black people(many that i know) would have thought what i thought at first and been ready to rumble, but man it's cool and i understand.

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jake sommers

07-12-2000, 11:22 PM

yo and for a live band or a band that makes raw beats just listen to The Roots,Lauren Hill or the Wu-tang Clan.

loner92

07-12-2000, 11:42 PM

I have an understanding of rap, though. I have a friend who listens to that "underground stuff", it sounds the same as the MTV crap. I used to "be into rap" when I was 12-13 (5-6 years ago) because everyone else was, I've heard a lot more than you think,rap &hip hop cuture is more of a zomielike mindset that a music style (have you ever seen farmclub.com's show or the "Lyricist Lounge Show"? They're two good examples of what I'm talking about). Thank God I saw the truth and realized I was listening to the crap because everyody else was.
If you want a good introducion to metal, go get Metalica's "....And Justice For All", after hearing th purity of that album (by purity I mean non-compromising full throttle metal filled with truths. That doesn't go overboard and do all the screaming some metal bands do now, it's refined, but raw at the same time. After hearing that album, you will loathe pop music (as well as any other unpure bs crap, like Marily Manson).
I had no racist intentions with my 10 step program, sorry if it seemed like I did.
By the way, I cloudn't care less what a psycologist says about rap, or any other kind of music, for that matter.
Also, I have no idea what you're talking about with the "news people" thing, that is completely untrue bs. The onlytime I've seen something like that (which wasn't real, by he way) was on some dumb episode of "the fresh prince of bel-air" (a dumb show that asumed all whites to be racists). As for Wu-Tang and Lauren Hill, I've heard them both (neither of which aren't "mainstream MTV rap"/r&b), my opinion stands on them too. I'm surprise you mentioned Wu-Tang, they fit the stereotype "gangsta rapper" mold perfectly.

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loner92

07-12-2000, 11:50 PM

.....and I never said anythying about about blacks dressing like that, I said "rappers". Look over the post, I said nothing about color. Just as many whites (if not more) and mexicans dress like the rappers, but I doesn't really make a difference, we're all just people. Stop tryng to make a difference in people of different colors, there shoudn't be a way to "dress black" or "dress white".

loner92

07-13-2000, 12:00 AM

Color has absolutely nothing to do with it. There are white and Mexican rappers that do the same thing, I don't care what color a person is, if they want to act like that, I'm going to oppose them for their bs ways. I'm even more oppsed to racism than I am rap, I'm a strong believer in all men being created equal. That's one of the reasons I hate rap, it promotes racism and segregation (ex: "that guy is trying to act black, but he's not, so he shouldn't." That is crap, all men are equal, there should't be a way to "act black" or "act white", there should only be a way to act like A HUMAN BEING.). Also, I have some good freinds who happen to be black, one of which introduced me to the music I love and live today (metal and guitarist music). If it weren't for her, I probably wouldn't even play guitar today. By the way, I know way more whites than blacks who act like the stereotype mentioned in my earleir post, they're your tpical eMpTytV zombies who followm the trends of each week and do whatever MTV tells them in the name of "being cool" and fitting in with the crowd (ex: paying $50 for an old loking regular cotton shirt worth about $5 because it says "Abercrombie and Fitch" and everyone has them, pulling their underwear way up and pulling their pants way down, and talking in ebonics). But you know what? It doesn't matter what color a person is, it's still going to be a stupid thing to do and a brainless way to act. In fact, I don't even like calling beople by their race (white, black, oriental, etc.), I perfer to call them people. Hating rap doesn't make a person racist, I'm just as opposed to the current "skater punk" trend, and trends in general. People should learn to think for themselves and look at things at face value (then they would realize how stupid they're being while they're doing dumb things like the "raise the roof" thing or sagging) instead of folowing the ways of the masses to fit in. I thing Martin Luther King Junior would agree with me, he was a believer in all men being created equal, not crap like "racial pride" and segregation commonly found in hip-hop culture today. A person who acts retarded shouldn't be able to do it and be cool due to their color.

-"Life's all my own, live my own way"
-Metallica

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loner92

07-13-2000, 12:06 AM

Oh, and by the way "Mr. Sommers" you seem to blieve I think all blacks can do is rap? Nonsense, look at the great blues players like Muddy Waters, Chuck Berry and B.B. King, if it weren't for them (who are about music and not image), we wouldn't have rock as we know it today.

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loner92

07-13-2000, 01:15 AM

I could also (and have in other places) make a 10 step program to success for the current pop trends (Blink 182, the Backdoor Boys, the ten million backdoor boy clone bands who are the exact same thing, the teenage girl singer thing, etc.) with broad, but true, stereotypes. Would that make me a racist against whites? Would you have jumped down my throat about that? No, you wouldn't have. You would've laughed, as you shoud've at the 10 step rapper program. But instad, you decided to jump to the conclusion tht I'm a racist (which I'm not).

"Purity over rot" -Alice in Chains

Raskolnikov

07-13-2000, 07:52 AM

and might I add to loner's list: Buddy Guy, Jimi, Bill Dickens, Victor Wooten, all six members of Fishbone (who actually cut a track w/ Busta Rhymes ("Psychologicly Overcast" off the album "Chim Chim's Badass Revenge")), and the list could go on forever. But we all know this anyway. I supose the solution is to make sure when we post some satire, to make sure that it is clearly satire, or confusion such as this will continue to occure.

jake sommers

07-13-2000, 12:44 PM

actually wu-tang clan aren't gangsta rappers.
you usually find gansta rappers on the west coast. Well most of the rappers out there in the public eye are blacks. I ain't trying to make a difference in people of different colors. I know there ain't a certain dress code for a race. Actually i don't where any kinda stuff you named i just wear loose fit jeans or shorts and a t shirt and camp or cabana shirt over it. Actually i think just as many white people wear that stuff than blacks. Here in Chicago that's all that everybody wears from like 12-25. so i know there isn't a certain dress code for a race. oh i agree that the lyricist lounge show sucks donkey ballz but farmclub is doing some good it's gonna really be a helpful site one day. you can look for a band to play with on their site or find a drummer or guitar,bassplayer in your area. people who know rap no what's good and what's not and wan't listen to that album because it sucks. there are a whole lot of stupid and simple minded rappers out there who don't know what they're even talking about. but there are some who are brilliant and i can listen to but if they're song sucks i can't listen to it and won't. i like eminem but his single my name is was a sucky song. People who know rap can say this person had like 4 good songs on his album and the rest sucked. Most People who can listen to a whole rap album and say the whole thing was good aren't really hearing it and are more caught up with the popularity and how popular it is to like that artist. Like the ol' dirty b. his first album was good but the newest sucked like nobody's business. I'm just saying those who really listen can hear the bad stuff and aren't zombied in to just liking anything. There are only like 6 rappers or groups i like and the rest are like trash.
yo loner you know i like debatin' wit you, right?

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loner92

07-13-2000, 01:09 PM

That's cool, you dress your own way. That's how everyone should be.

jake sommers

07-13-2000, 07:58 PM

yeah, i wanna end this man. i'm wrong,i can't make you like rap and i know i'm not gonna make you listen to it. so i just wanna squash this. i'm sorry that i misunderstood what you were trying to put across and came at you on the bogus tip. i like that you did say what you said without bs-ing me. put 'er there if you like. but if you don't i umderstand.

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loner92

07-13-2000, 08:10 PM

Ok, I understand.

BadHorsie

07-13-2000, 09:17 PM

Wow! That went way off topic.

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robrules

07-14-2000, 02:58 PM

By the way Korn has 2 guitarist Munky and Head. So you mean they both don't know how to play the guitar.

LuigiCabrini

07-14-2000, 04:48 PM

I read your post on rap, and I pretty much agree with most of the stuff you said, and also that this 10 step approach can be applied to a lot of other pop stuff. Here's the catch. It can also be applied to pretty much every song on metallica's killem all in my opinion. I agree with your opinions on rap, but dont get on some high horse with metal. It's not in any way the culmination of what can be done with music. Here's my approach for creating a track from killem all:
1. Get a jackson guitar and turn the bass to 10, mid to 0, treb to 10, gain to 11.
2. For solos, learn the pentatonic, aeolian, and phrygian scales and go straight up and down them will hammerons and pulloffs, alternate picking is to be shunned.
3. For ryhtym playing, never let your palm leave the low E and A strings, again, upstrokes are to be shunned.
4. Never let the tempo fall below 160.
5. Never put any notes other than root and fifth into your chords.
6. Sing about agression in a voice that sounds like a sadistic drill sergeant crossed with a german shepherd.
7. Occassionally, to show that you are musically well rounded, start a song off with a cheesy slow pseudo classical intro before palm muted thrash.
Ok, maybe I'm being a bit harsh. It just bothers me that so many people see metallica as some group of supermusicians, who are objectively geniuses. You can like their music, and I'll definitely admit that I like some of their riffs. My problem with metallica die hards (and I dont have reason to believe that you are a die hard, so good for you) is that they stop looking for new music. They rest assured that hammet is the greatest guitarrist, metallica is the greatest band, and metal is the greatest style. Listen to a Duke Ellington arrangement and you'll hear more going on in 3 minutse than you will in any 10 minute metallica "epic masterpiece." Again, i'm not saying that makes it better, its just that people are doing themselves a severe disservice by ignoring the larger part of classical music (how many metallica die hards do you know that truly actually listen to it for fun, rather than just say that bach was a genius) ignoring pretty much all jazz music, paying lip service to the blues, and so on. Theres nothign wrong with metal, its just that theres sooo much more out there, do yourself a favor and try and expand your horizons.

Shlag

07-14-2000, 07:28 PM

I guess Both guitarist don't know how to play. In a guitar mag(Guitar) they do an interview with the guitarists and one stated "I know now that you don't have to know how to play a guitar but make good sounds." That's something I picked up out of it. One thing that I read on there was when one of the guitarist(not munky) said "Hi" to Kirk Hammet, Kirk just turned his head. I would to. Ha Ha.

Shlag

07-14-2000, 07:29 PM

ekstasis16

07-14-2000, 07:50 PM

Luigi -

First off, don't piss on Kill 'Em All so much. It's good listening when you've got a lot of energy. While I'll agree that there are a lot of crappy metal bands that give the genre a bad name, Metallica can be argued as the best. Secondly, I also agree that there are people that only listen to Metallica and say they are the best. I used to do that until I discovered Vai, Satch, Johnson, Petrucci, etc. Even these guys, as good as they are, seem to be put in their own category around here and looked down upon by some.

If I'm in the mood, I listen to a little Django or Al Dimeola. But not all the time because even though it's great stuff and I like it, I prefer that Vai stuff or medieval metal (which should not be confused with common metal, if such a thing exists).

Anyway, I forgot what my point was, but there you go.

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Raskolnikov

07-14-2000, 10:24 PM

I've found that most people latch onto one type of music, no matter what it is, and never really stray from it. They'll put up such a fuss over any other kind of music than what they normally listen to that it becomes impossible to introduce them to anything. And of course I can be every bit as bad about some things, but I'm trying to work on it. So anyway, I think the point is we all could be more eclectic. Musical genious can be found everwhere, so I suppose it's time to start looking some more.

ekstasis16

07-15-2000, 12:39 AM

Darn right! So.....[clearing throat].....who's gonna go first?

Shlag

07-15-2000, 09:05 AM

Hey Guys, I like Vai, Satriani, Cooder, Eddie Van Halen, and many more. I guess I could say they inspired me(and not just me) to play guitar to my extreme. And my extreme is what I learned so far(and to keep learning)and I just put all that in a song or just to improvise. When y'all started playing guitar, did someone who was better than you teach you a riff off a song you never heard of and you said "cool!" Well that's what happened to me and now a few years later I came to meet that person and I started to show him stuff instead of him showing me and this guy wasn't a rookie either. I still think he's better though, because he's got a good ear and he doesn't read tab or standard notation.

LuigiCabrini

07-15-2000, 04:11 PM

In principle we're in agreement. About killem all, I was just saying that its not musical miles ahead of BSB. In general though, I agree. I used to be stuck on the Beatles, then Hendrix, then Zeppelin, and so on, but we all get over that stuff.
What kind of medieval metal do you mean? What's it like, greensleaves with distoriton? hehe. Any groups I could check out, download? Like you said, I think it's important to open to different types of music (but you dont have to like all of it, I still will never like gangsta rap) and never to assume that you already know all there is to know and have listened to everything worth listening to. I've listened to those guys you mentioned, and my take on them is that musically they know what they're doing, but that they often tend to get self indulgent and disregard the listener. For those reasons I mostly like Satriani and Johnson from that style of music, because they more than any of the others I've heard think like listeners rather than like guitarrists.

LuigiCabrini

07-15-2000, 04:16 PM

Definitely true. I've met a lot of jazz fans who start to think, "hey, we've gotta know all this stuff to play jazz, we know theory inside and out, that makes us better" and think that jazz is the ultimate, most complex form of music.
Try talking to them about indian music, where people have to play with a 22 note chromatic scale, time signatures like 104/9, and hour long improvisations, and they'll change the topic, or dismiss it as "interesting."
I've met too many people who think that Hendrix, or Page, or Petrucci, or Malmsteen, or Bruno is god, and that's just not how it is. I like to think that I have an open mind, and while I may mostly listen to jazz, that's not from any lack of exposure to other music, I own albums by the Grateful dead and by Metallica as well as by John Coltrane.

Greaserbeef

07-20-2000, 01:39 AM

"No way man, Korn plays 7-string guitars man. how many does metallica have?
KoRn rules man" - a die hard KoRn fan

7 strings guys, how can you possibly even notion the fact that they might suck? 7 STRINGS!!! ;p

BadHorsie

07-20-2000, 01:11 PM

Well I've noticed some things going on in here the past week. 1- People are starting to flame other people and/or bands a lot more. 2- There's a lot of disrespectful comments. 3- A lot of people don't think before they post a comment. I don't know why this is but it's getting pretty dull. I used to be a die hard Metallica fan and will stick up for them to this day. Where would metal be w/o Metallica or Megadeth? As for the whole Jazz thing... Jazz is great! But when it comes time for most Jazz cats to try and play metal, it really makes me laugh. Same goes for someone who plays metal that tries to play jazz. The point is, nobody "RULES" and nobody "SUCKS". Everyone is doing their own thing and if you don't like it then instead of coming in here and looking to b!tch about it, just don't say anything at all. It just seems to me that 90% of the posts put here in the past week are all about how good someone is or how someone else sucks compared to them. WTF!? And in reply to the topic "Korn sucks, right?". No I don't think they suck, but I would rather listen to Vai. There, how's that? I didn't flame anyone or bust apart a band just because I don't like them as much as my favorite. Wow!

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BadHorsie, holdin' it down like Gravity!

iamthe_eggman

07-20-2000, 04:41 PM

awesome reply, badhorsie.

i don't think that this is the place to ram your opinions on your favourite band down everyone else's throat.

and wasn't there a post just not too long ago about how someone was so relieved to find this board, where no dimwit would flood the forum with "koRn rulEz" every five mins.?

p.s. this may sound hypocritical after what i just said, but I seriously don't think that the use of 7 strings is the ultimate criterion for determining whether a particular guitarist or band "rules" or "sucks".

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ok, i'm not really the eggman

Shlag

07-21-2000, 12:16 AM

Ok, ok,. I just thought that everyone here is a guitarist and we want to learn new things. I've always came here(this site) to learn new scales for different types of music. I'm learning rock, heavy metal, blues, jazz, classical, spanish, and some country. I just want to master the guitar. Are you all planning on to?

Raskolnikov

07-21-2000, 10:17 PM

::further kicking dead horse::
oh, I understand completely, my musical interests are scattered all over the place. Currently, I'm looking to expand my metal and ska collections, but I truely love the blues and I need my rock and jazz too. Of course this would be far simpler if I had money to purchase music with, as it is I have to and spend about $80 on bass strings tomorow... I popped two G strings (and don't even post the puns you're thinking... I allready thought them) wed night, and a band w/ a bassist short on strings, well, we all know that's an ugly thing. So why am I saying that? I dunno. But also, my CD fund interferes w/ my standup bass fund, my computer fund, PA fund...
OK, I'm going to shut up before I get depressed...

ekstasis16

07-21-2000, 11:51 PM

ummm........nevermind. http://www.guitarforums.com/gtubb/smile.gif

harts

07-24-2000, 11:36 PM

Are youz gyz insane??? Korn are the greatest! Sure there stuff is heavy, but thats cool! Munky and Head are gods of shred!I rest my case.

jake sommers

07-25-2000, 01:19 AM

WTF!!!!!!!

ekstasis16

07-25-2000, 01:25 AM

Usually the prerequisite for becoming a god of shred is having the ability to shred.

In my dictionary:

shred: the ability for a guitarist to play a good and not necessarily fast solo in the genre of hard rock or heavy metal.

I saw Korn recently at the Summer Sanitarium tour and I must give credit for putting on a great heavy show but their hands never moved from the lowest registers of the instrument.

Uncle Istvan

07-25-2000, 01:53 AM

Jake, you took the words right outta my mouth...

harts

07-25-2000, 11:54 PM

I must apologise for my inacurate description of Korns music.

loner92

07-26-2000, 12:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jake sommers:
WTF!!!!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha! WTF?, Indeed.

Luke

07-26-2000, 05:31 PM

I have to agree with most of you, ever since I learned there was more to music than Korn and L.B. (by the way, if your wondering,IMO I don't consider what they do music) I started playing like mad.

I threw out all my tapes, posters, and actually anything that had something to with them. I hate that people actually like not only them but "bands" like them too. http://www.guitarforums.com/gtubb/rolleyes.gif

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LuigiCabrini

07-26-2000, 06:02 PM

In my dictionary:

shred: the ability for a guitarist to play a good and not necessarily fast solo in the genre of hard rock or heavy metal.

That's funny cause I always thought of shred as having to be fast, and not necessarily (usually not, actually) good. By your definition, Jimmy Page can shred (unless you think all his solos sucked, but most rock fans woudln't think that.)
By the way, badhorsie, its not a joke when jazz players try and play metal. I promise you that John Mclaughlin could play metal if he wanted to (if you disagree, listen to mahavishnu orchestra, he is aware of the potential of the electric guitar.) Can any metal players play John Mclaughlin is another question.

Cready314

07-31-2000, 06:02 PM

Hey, Bad Horsie, how come you don't post at giventowail anymore.

Shlag

08-03-2000, 11:07 PM

Well, the Crossroads movie got pretty good towards the end. Uh, kinda late on that one, eh, AtomicMass Unit?

Invasion1

08-08-2000, 05:24 AM

I used to like KoRn but i don't now.
I guess i still respect them though cause even though most of their stuff is pretty simple it sounds good for what it is. Not everything difficult or technical sounds good.
whats with the Rage sucks? I think they're great (cept for the solos on the new album)and so what if their against capitalism and yet they still sell millions of records. It may be a gimmick but i don't think so. What they are trying to do incase you haven't noticed is spread awareness of moral issues that people aren't aware of or are ill informed of. The more they sell the more people are (in theory informed) and they don't keep all the money for themselves they hold benefit concerts all the time and Tom and Zack are often seen giving money to different causes.