ACE FREHLEY INVENTED TAPPING,,,

[THE_HACK_PACK]

For years,musicians have ignored the truth.Case in point,Kiss live on VHS at the Winterland Ballroom 1974,Ace Frehley clearly begins doing a descending pulloff to the open G string while tapping on Frets 5 and 7,while his left hand executes pulloffs on the 4th and 2nd fret.Basically,5-4-2-0,, 7-4-2-0,,5-4-2-0 and so on.Also in Budokon '76 VHS video,clearly Frehley demonstrates the technique is advancing,as he does pull offs on the 1st string,8-5-0,while tappng other notes corresponding to the A minor scale up the neck to the 22nd Fret.Again,in 1977 Live in Houstan VHS,Frehley taps clear up and down the high E during his "solo" piece.Need Audio proof,pop in KISS ALIVE 2,and listen to Frehlehy's unaccompanied Guitar solo following "Shock Me" .There is a score of Tapping runs he is using.

What's the Big deal??? well nothing but most music historians pretend this never happened,when there is abundance evidence to prove it so.
Maybe these videos aren't in as much circulation as I think,or maybe just KISS fans watch these concerts,but from a fan of guitar pyrotechnics and it's history,why has this fact been ignored for 28 years??Frehley should have been front cover of every guitar rag in the Mid-70's,instead Van Halen walks away with the trophy.If no one believes it I'll send you a free copy of these clips,judge for yourself.Persoally,I'd like to see Frehley get a few more accolades then he has.This is Like Thomas Edison Vs. Tesla.Like I said ,no biggy,but I've never seen anyone ANYWHERE ever talk about this.Lets have some opinions,or correlations on this matter.Thanks for allowing me to Rant.

[Hootayah]

Van Halen got the recognition because he's a better guitarist than Ace Frehley and took tapping to a level that nobody had concieved of before.

[THE_HACK_PACK]

Granted,he laid waste to everyone i the 70's not named Holdsworth,but Frehley was a top gun at the time,ranked right up there with Perry,Page,Clapton,Beck,Iommi,,,anything new should have been looked as a radical innovation.I'll throw ULI ROTH from Scorpians into that mix as well,check out Trancer,'73 I think,I hear some Legato Tapping.Seems like it all came down to sound as to why this huge coronation of Eddie wentdown.I will Concede that Frehley became heavily influenced by Van Halen,just listen to the solos on side 2 of Dynasty.Most KISS fans would tear my hands off for makin that statement:Frehley influenced By Eddie.Oh Well.

[Christoph]

Who cares . . .

[lalimacefolle]

Wan Halen says that he wasn't the first to invent tapping, but he says he saw noone do it before him... At that time, there was also Billy GIBBONS that used it to get real bluesy bends.

[James8831]

But, what year was Bohemian Rhapsody? as May is clearly doing a few little subtle taps in that.. it's just around the "Nothing really matters" lyric..

whatever it's said or thought about Frehley he's probably "responsible for more American kids picking up a guitar than any other guitarist" as someone once said...

[Joseph]

Did you guys forget about Jimi Hendrix?

-Joseph

[THE_HACK_PACK]

It always looked to me that May was doing more of a tap harmonic at that point in the song.But I think he was just getting a soft stroke,fingerwise from the note.Yu can see Page do something highly similar in"Song Remains the Same".

[THE_HACK_PACK]

RHAPSODY was 1975 for the record.

[natethegreat2186]

Originally posted by Joseph
Did you guys forget about Jimi Hendrix?

-Joseph


i agree with joseph here. did u forget about Jimi Hendrix?????????

[yukonc5]

Yeah ! And I don't think Eddie lit any of his guitars on fire. :rolleyes:

[THE_HACK_PACK]

If it was Hendrix,then HE deserves the credit,I never saw The Isle of Wight concert,if it was there he did it,then there should be a column in some mag correcting the history of the technique.

[educatedfilm]

ok, from the way i understand it, the concept of tapping was around in the 50's, just no one gave it a name, and no one really used it much...
I dont think any one person can rightfully claim to have invented tapping, but i do think popel like Halen (as much i hate his music) are responsible for bringing it into the mainstream, and actually advancing the technique...
but really, does it matter?

[THE_HACK_PACK]

Well,thats why I started the topic,I just see too many people ignore the history of the instrument,and too many kids thinking it was Eddie all by himself.Spread the word.Lets get into Stanley Jordan while we're at it.No way he was influenced by Halen.

[lalimacefolle]

No one has mentioned Tal farlow, who didn't really tap, but used his right hand fingers to get chord voicings impossible ta play otherwise.

[THE_HACK_PACK]

I agree about Tal,forgot about him,Steve Howe in early YES used the same approch on some material.

[TommyBoyFury]

Can I just make a point, that tapping was never invented, it was DISCOVERD. It was there in the first place just waiting to be discoverd! Its like saying a guitarist invented a chord, just because he was the first person to be seen using it???.......
I wonder do any of you think that their are any other techniques like tapping that have not been invented yet? Or does anyone want to share with us a technique that they think is new?

[lalimacefolle]

A guitarist has invented sliding with a dildo... I'm totally serious, he gets sounds that go from the rumble of a motor to a 'laser' like effect. It's Matthias IA Eklhund, guitarist from freak kitchen. Ron thal plays with a thimble on his pinkie, he gets that kind of sound:
http://lalimace.free.fr/mp3/guitarsucks2.wmv
(it's me playing by the way) Those are 2 of the new techniques that are being invented. Will RAY? of the Hellecasters, experiments a lot of right hand slidin, to get B bender like sounds...

[Bardsley]

I'm interested, when did Hendrix use tapping? I have some of the Isle of WIght stuff, but I haven't seen the video. I can't hear anything that sounds like he's doing finger tapping.

[Azrael]

back in 1745 i invented the 10 finger + 5 toe tapping! - what do you say now? *LOL*

[Azrael]

gosh! im not "registered" anymore!!! *faints*

[TommyBoyFury]

I say that you didn't invent it you discoverd it!
Who is that chick who's supposed to have discoverd 8 finger tapping?? Do any of you use your tapping finger to bend a note? It can sound quite good.

[educatedfilm]

i disagree i'm afraid... some one, tought of that technique and then excuted it...
It's like saying that cars were never invented, becuase those elements existed before, and some one discovered that particular arrangement to give a car... Lol, but i think that's a good parrallel.
Well, i've begun tapping, and i've come up with something fairly cool, and it's pretty fast too... you'r fretting hand taps normally. But on your index finger on your other hand, you put a glass slide, and tap with it.
it's wierd, cos you get very rapid increases and decreases in pitch, if you tap with slide so that the pick up is in between your slide, and the fret board...
I've expalined it badly, i'll have to record it, and post it.

[lalimacefolle]

that's what ron thal does, but with a thimble...

[educatedfilm]

really?... goddamitt.. :(

[THE_HACK_PACK]

I saw a kid doing that in '97, a local band,can't say it was great but,
Jennifer Batten gets credit for advancing the 8 finger thng,but Jeff Watson of Night Ranger,would tell us differnet.Of course he was on record first in '84's"You Can Still Rock n America".there's a whole slew of 8 finger stuff going,it's like 64th notes.