Guitar Tricks - Beautiful girls don't play the guitar

kingdavid

01-30-2002, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by friskynibbles
hey david :)
... many pro musicians are blazing hot (coincidence? i think not)...

IMHO
Pro has two meanings,and I think people tend to confuse things:
When you do something for a living,it's said to be your profession,hence the word pro.Now,if you do something for a living,you tend to get good at it,which spawwns the second meaning of pro;someone who's good at what they do.Which brings me to my point,that just because you do something for a living doesn't necessarily mean you're good or gifted or whateca there.
These IMNSHO "pros"you're talking about,who are blazing hot.I hear they're are picked for their looks(hence the reason-you're right,it's no coincidence)they are generally hot,because they'll satisfy the image the rec companies want to sell.Rec companies mostly sell images,not music.Again IMNSHO,there's no difference between Vince Mcmahon and most rec execs.
"Pros"!Britney is hot,yes,but she sure as hell isn't pro as in the second definition of pro.And I'm not worried that Justin will see this post.These types of "pros"would never be caught in some place like this.
And b4 you tell me I'm full of mysellf,I'm not a pro,in both senses of the term pro.
NOT YET.

[Edited by kingdavid on 01-30-2002 at 09:45 AM]

James

01-30-2002, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by progg
Originally posted by James
I think lal hit the nail on the head. We guitar players are a crazy bunch... if you're capable and willing to play guitar for hours a day, something's probably wrong elsewhere!

I believe he wanted to say we're all are limp hunchbacks that can't get girls. But then again.. everyone loves a guitar player. So.. maybe lal meant that people that love us are morons... I dunno... I get confused sometimes..

Now give me that LP Black Beauty I want.

That's not what I'm takling about, I'm not saying guitar players aren't desirable. Quite the contrary, we're the coolest and girls love us. Most of us. Sometimes.

All I'm sayin is that to be able to dedicate so much to yourself to something that can't love or talk to you back means that you must be the type of person that enjoys spending a lot of time by his or her self. God knows I am. And there isn't anything wrong with that, only that your social life may suffer from it.

I'm speaking on my own personal experience here, I'm not calling you a social outcast or anything progg!

James

01-30-2002, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Incidents Happen
he was 'doin lines ;) to stay up all night playin'

lol... yeah I guess he must have...

friskynibbles

01-30-2002, 12:25 PM

hot chicks like that have other things to occupy themselves with; nasties don't have a life anyway so they can just bang away on the guitar in the bedroom all alone forever.
on the topic of 'pro', i was refering in general to anyone who has made a living as a popular musician. they're not all blazing hot BUT some of them are and often that is NOT a coincidence. most people who aren't musically inclined couldn't give a $h|+ less whether Britney Spears or BSB or NSTINK know how to play an instrument. It's sad but true.
*shrug*

PonyOne

01-30-2002, 03:17 PM

I'll try and find a pic of my gf to post up... proof that you don't have to be nasty to play guitar, and that guitar can get you women who look good. How do I post a pic?

There's some cutsey little half-Asian girl on MTV now who plays an LP and an acoustic, she's cute, she plays well and she has a pretty voice... but it's not my style of music. More of a folksey-pop style than balls-out rock (may be a good thing).

educatedfilm

01-30-2002, 04:09 PM

[ img ] type the url of the photo here [ /img ]

but with out the spaces...

Led Zeppelin

01-30-2002, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by James
I want to know how Steve Vai had any sort of life at all with his supposed 10 a day practice routines. Didn't young Stevie go to school or anything?

I think his exact words were:

"Girls were just a distraction to me. I didnt see the point in spending hours coming on to them when I could just whack it off in a minute and get back to my guitar"

So thats where all his picking stamina comes from. :)

psycofreak1

01-30-2002, 11:08 PM

Does anyone remember Lita Ford if you ask me she was hot.....

educatedfilm

01-31-2002, 05:11 AM

I must admit steve Vai is an ugly mother anyway... I think the photo that i saw was on Branslav's site and he looked like he could be cher's big brother (who'd got free bad plastic surgery copouns from her)....:)

James

01-31-2002, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Led Zeppelin
Originally posted by James
I want to know how Steve Vai had any sort of life at all with his supposed 10 a day practice routines. Didn't young Stevie go to school or anything?

I think his exact words were:

"Girls were just a distraction to me. I didnt see the point in spending hours coming on to them when I could just whack it off in a minute and get back to my guitar"

So thats where all his picking stamina comes from. :)

This guy is either has the self-awareness of a buddhist monk, or he's just plain messed up. At what point do you Throw away life experiences for this instrument? Is it possible to be too in love with the guitar? It paid off for him... he has mastered the instrument and now tours the world and from what I hear is more then making up for never having girlfriends when he was a kid.
But what about those who aren't that lucky who waste the one life they have practicing scales?

I'm just thinking out loud here. As the pressures of life begin to conflict with the guitar for myself, I begin to ask myself how much of my life I want to devote to this.

What it comes down to is this: you only live once. That's it. You have maybe 80 years (if you're lucky) in which to experience the world- and the first ten and last ten are probably just a daze. So do you try and experience as rich a life as possible or utterly devote yourself to something? ... dunno.

lalimacefolle

01-31-2002, 02:41 PM

Yo, I think Alanis Morissette is hot, and I looove her voice... I guess she can strum a little on the guitar!!

James

01-31-2002, 05:17 PM

Let's not forget:
Jewel,
Chantal Kreviasik (or does she play the piano?),
Shania Twain,
and Phoebe from Friends!!

Lordathestrings

01-31-2002, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by James
...and Phoebe from Friends!! Eeeeww!! Smelly-Cat!! :D

fendermonkey77

01-31-2002, 08:50 PM

Alannis? She's a funky woman. What about Sheryl Crow?

kingdavid

02-01-2002, 03:52 AM

Originally posted by Lordathestrings
Originally posted by James
...and Phoebe from Friends!! Eeeeww!! Smelly-Cat!! :D
YESSIR!!!!
Phoebe?!?
What are you.....Phoebe?

[Edited by kingdavid on 02-01-2002 at 04:00 AM]

mrcrowley

02-01-2002, 12:54 PM

Don't forget Jennifer Batten. She was/is hot, and can shred like a ****ing maniac. She's also really inventive and innovative.

lalimacefolle

02-01-2002, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by mrcrowley
Don't forget Jennifer Batten. She was/is hot, and can shred like a ****ing maniac. She's also really inventive and innovative.

Dude, I saw a picture of her when she was teaching at GIT, and she is far from hot. The ones who are hot are the stylist that designed her looks for MJ tours...
If you take away the 3 feet of yellow hair, she is just a normal guitar wiz, except she is a girl...

kingdavid

02-02-2002, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by PonyOne
I'll try and find a pic of my gf to post up... proof that you don't have to be nasty to play guitar, and that guitar can get you women who look good...

The photo,man,the photo

Raskolnikov

02-02-2002, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by fendermonkey77
Alannis? She's a funky woman. What about Sheryl Crow?

Of all of the chick stars to come out at that paticular time, Joan Osborn was the one I had and still have any respect for.

Both Sheryl Crow and Allanis Morrisette make me want to get in my van, crank up some Possessed, do a break stand, then chase skaters down the sidewalk...

Or something similarly evil.

florien

02-04-2002, 04:22 PM

Okay guys, I'm a girl and the first thing I want to say:
Most guys playing a guitar are sexy!
I started playing the guitar 2 weeks ago, and i do have a lot of time to practice now, because i am suffering the "Kissing desease", so i'm too tired to do anything social anyway, but i'm sure you can manage to combine both.
Wanna know how i got my desease?
A very nice guy had promised to give me my first guitar-lesson, which was very nice and also very hard. How do you all strech your fingers in those impossible chords? Anyway,after the lesson......
And now i have enough time to learn it myself.
I hope my English isn't too bad, because i'm dutch.

If you are desperate in love, play a nice song for a nice girl and see what happens...

Good luck guys!

James

02-04-2002, 07:29 PM

lol that's how I met my girlfriend, the old "free guitar lesson approach".

About Allannis Morissette (spelling?)... I have a huge amount of respect for her. Sure, she kind whines about guys in a lot of her songs and has that "pouty little girl" attitude, but she also has a great voice, writes her own songs, and has great stage presence- now how many big artists can sport all of that in today's music scene (albeit she's not that big anymore). Oh and she puts on a great live show, the guitarist even solos...

Raskolnikov

02-04-2002, 08:27 PM

That's debatable.

When I saw her on HBO, I was praying for her to closeline herself on the neck of the bassist's five string.

kingdavid

02-05-2002, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by florien
Okay guys, I'm a girl and the first thing I want to say:
Most guys playing a guitar are sexy!

Say word!
Looks like this is true;I've heard very many people say it.A couple of girls have told methat.
Or maybe it's another cliche,dunno.
About those fingers,there's always the first time.They'll strech out as you learn more.Try and do stuff that doesn't need too much stretching to begin with,then you'll get to used to it.I hear it becomes 2nd nature.
Your English isn't bad at all;you should go thro' some of the stuff that gets on this board!
So,in your(Florien) opinion,do beautiful girls play the guitar?

florien

02-05-2002, 10:57 AM

Sure, your hobby or obsession or whatever it can be has nothing to do with your looks.
When your ugly with no social life you can also choose to collect stamps, write, the computer or whatever.

friskynibbles

02-05-2002, 03:08 PM

florien: "I hope my English isn't too bad, because i'm dutch."

Hoi! Hoe gaat het, mevrouw? Ik spreek niet veel nederlands... lol
Your english is much better than my dutch lol...
-Daniel Schenkeveld (ik kom uit Canada)

James

02-05-2002, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Raskolnikov
That's debatable.

When I saw her on HBO, I was praying for her to closeline herself on the neck of the bassist's five string.

I might not have any idea what I'm talking, I've only seen a couple videos of live songs, but I liked what I saw.

I dunno, maybe I'm a little defensive about her because she's one of the few Canadian bands to make it South of the border.

florien

02-06-2002, 06:15 AM

Hallo Daniel, is je vader Nederlands? Je achternaam in elk geval wel, leuk dat je ook wat nederlands kan, het schijnt heel moeilijk te zijn.
Daniel, i hope you understood this. The rest probably not, so i'll write in English again, exept when i want to gossip about you with Daniel, haha

lauz

02-06-2002, 08:47 AM

hay there!!
wel im a gal and iv been told many times that im hot and iv just started to play the guitar!! well im really intrested in it but i dont seem to be gettin really far at the moment! maby you all think that its not a thing for girls to do but i think that woteva ladz can do girls can do just as good!
well as i say i have just begun to learn how to play to tell u all the truth at the moment im finding it very hard. Iv learnt my first three chords A,D & E. If any of you can help or give me any suggestions on ANYTHING that woukd be atall usefull to me then i would be very greatfull!!
thanx to all of you!!
Lauz
x.x.x.x.x.x.x.

kingdavid

02-06-2002, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by lauz
hay there!!
wel im a gal and iv been told many times that im hot and iv just started to play the guitar!!
Lauz
x.x.x.x.x.x.x.
Finally someine's said something in line of what I was trying to hear wheni started this thread.I suppose I find girls a lot more inhibited when it comes to letting what they do show.I've never seen a girl in town carrying her guitar,or her b-ball ball,stuff like that.
So,Lauz,people say you're hot;good for you!.You've started playing guitar;maybe I'm not very smart,but if you ask me,this is probably the best decision you'll ever make in your life,if you ask me.Of course if you dont.....
Advice:don't play to impress people(not at first anyway).Your friends,as has been my experience,can be very discouraging;most talk as if them and Eric Clapton were twins sepatated at birth,but when they get hold of your guitar,all they do is f*#@ around with it.Even the babble from a yet-to-talk toddler sounds better than them on the guitar.You're doing this(I hope)because you like it.And of course,you need to learn it to do it.Everyone started out at some point worse off than you right now;you know three chords,and no one started out already knowing three chords.And everyone is still learning.EVERYONE.And while it's always wise to respect other people's opinions,don't take their word for it.Even this one.After all,they are just that,opinions.And if they can form one,then so can you.
About playing,I dunno if the tricks on this site are good for someone totally new;plus they don't have the kind of structured order a beginner might prefer.There's another site(it was,infact,the site thro' which I learnt about this site)called guitarnoise.(naturally put the W's b4 and com after).They have a series of lessons,for guitar dummies(maybe this is where you'd put yourself),beginners,intermediates and a lot of other stuff.You may want to check it out.
That was a mouthful,huh!Hope it helps you.
And I like talking to people(I said talk,not lecture)about these things.If you wish,e-mail me.

friskynibbles

02-06-2002, 11:36 AM

My great-grandfather was dutch. He moved to canada in the early 1900s. He was very secretive about his former life. He made two trips back to Holland later in life (in the 60's?) but didn't talk about it. I am the only one who speaks dutch now (a little anyway).
-Daniel

kingdavid

02-06-2002, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by friskynibbles
My great-grandfather was dutch.
-Daniel
I was wondering why the hell you chose to study Dutch.(No offence,Florien.
I mean,people study French,Spanish,Italian....English!
*shrug* :-)

florien

02-06-2002, 01:37 PM

Hey, Dutch is cool. But i must admit it's not spoken a lot in the world and we dutch people have to learn a lot of languages in school (i've had 7 foreign languages!)
By the way, about beautiful girls and guitars, i lent mine of a model and she is very pretty.
In Holland a lot of people walk around carrying a guitar or something else, i think in school a few even did it just to look cool.

Lordathestrings

02-06-2002, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by kingdavid
I was wondering why the hell you chose to study Dutch.(No offence,Florien.
I mean,people study French,Spanish, Italian....English!
*shrug* :-) Those of us who grow up speaking English are at a major disadvantage when we travel!

In Canada, we learn our mother tongue, plus a bit of the other 'official language' be that French or English. If you want more, you have to go out of your way to learn it outside of the normal school curiculum.

When I was in The Netherlands, years ago, all I knew of the language was how to order Trapiste, (my favourite beer in the whole world!), and mutter darkly about farmers.

Raskolnikov

02-06-2002, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by James
I dunno, maybe I'm a little defensive about her because she's one of the few Canadian bands to make it South of the border.

And I'm still waiting on an appology!

Seriously though, thanks for Blue Rodeo and Rush.

kingdavid

02-07-2002, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by florien
In Holland a lot of people walk around carrying a guitar or something else, i think in school a few even did it just to look cool.
Well,here in kenya,they don't.I've never seen a girl carrying a guitar.I think girls are a little more inhibited than boys.Consider:how wildly do girls dance,in say,some "rocknite" or that sort of thing.Do you see girls jumping from the stage on to the people and s@^$ like that?And don't tell me it's coz their dresses would fly up.
I agree with you;I find that look cool too.
And I suppose Dutch is cool.It's just that it wouldn't be the first foreign language one would think of learning.You need to have a fairly good reason,like in Daniel's case.

friskynibbles

02-07-2002, 12:18 PM

dutchies even ask me, 'why the f*** would you want to learn dutch???' it's relatively easy to learn and my family is from there. some day i'd like to go back, at least for a visit.
*shrug*

nechako

02-07-2002, 02:12 PM

hot chics don't have to play guitar they are already all that. Lets face it most guys who play guitar do it for baite, to baite chics. They do this because they fell out of the loser ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. And usually they completely suck at guitar.

James

02-07-2002, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by nechako
hot chics don't have to play guitar they are already all that. Lets face it most guys who play guitar do it for baite, to baite chics. They do this because they fell out of the loser ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. And usually they completely suck at guitar.

... umm

I wouldn't say that.

educatedfilm

02-07-2002, 04:30 PM

um nechako.. I dont mean to be a prick.. but speak for yourself man... I play guitar cos it's fun... and it's another outlet for creativity....

I dont know about this whole thread.. Poeple who get really really good at something (eg certain programmers who can program viruses under 300 bytes, yes bytes), are that good cos they spend a helluva alot of time doing so.. it usually come at the cost of a social life... now if your an introverted person and dont really talk to poeple much, that's no big loss, and your getting better at what you do as well...

The other thing I've noticed is that men are ones who become obssesive about THINGS, like the net (look at most of the poeple in this forum for example)...
These maybe factors... but on a whole I dont really know (for a fact anyway)...

Raskolnikov

02-07-2002, 06:06 PM

Not only are my Jazz Basses sexy, but I am too!

::flexes arms::

kingdavid

02-08-2002, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by educatedfilm
um nechako.. I dont mean to be a prick.. but speak for yourself man... I play guitar cos it's fun... and it's another outlet for creativity....

The other thing I've noticed is that men are ones who become obssesive about THINGS, like the net (look at most of the poeple in this forum for example)...

A lot more men than women play guitar,dude,so you'd naturally expect a forum for guitar players to be crawling with men.And that's a fact.Think of all the bands you know,from the one you're in to the one that plays at your local to the big timers.How many women do you see?

educatedfilm

02-08-2002, 05:47 AM

hold on, I know of quite a few guitar players around my area, and there are quite a few women (not quite half, but not as far from it as you think), but they dont spend as much time (obsessing) on guitar, so they can play things like yellow submarine by the beattles and things like that, but not much more... Saying that there are one or two who are pretty good, not amaizing, but would have no real trouble in a band....

florien

02-08-2002, 10:50 AM

David, in Holland you see mostly girls on the dancefloor and belive me, i jump around a lot when i'm going out. Here a lot of guys stay aside, because they think they don't look cool when they are having fun, they're stupid.
And i never had problems dating guys, but i do play guitar, because i like it and i think that is the only reason why you should play anyway. I think when you play to be sexy you won't have fun playing and you will never become good and i think it's only sexy when you can show of a little.

Christoph

02-08-2002, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by nechako
Lets face it most guys who play guitar do it for baite, to baite chics. They do this because they fell out of the loser ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.

I learned to play guitar and continue to play simply because I enjoy music. And I don't consider myself as having fallen out of the "ugly tree".

nechako

02-08-2002, 02:04 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by educatedfilm
[B]um nechako.. I dont mean to be a prick.. but speak for yourself man... I play guitar cos it's fun... and it's another outlet for creativity....

Being honest doesn't make you a prick; mean what you say and say what you mean, thats cool. And women do so become obsessive compulsive look how they react to all the pre packaged boy bands out there.

brianmart4

02-08-2002, 03:19 PM

Check out a new artist named Michelle Branch. Beautifull and she plays guitar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

educatedfilm

02-08-2002, 03:44 PM

nechako: :) (glad your not insulted)... that's just it, men become obssesed with THINGS, women get obsessed with POEPLE... it's wierd...
To be honest, I dont play to poeple much anyway... and it's wierd at what poeple are impressed at... I did some fast tapping in the guitar shop the other day, I just got looks of "oh.. another one, oh he's sooo prebucient.. god... he's not even playing anything descernable", but when I played the clarinet part for take 5 by the Krubeck quartet (oh, you all know it, just not maybe by it's name), I got quite a few smiles.. I only really learnt it cos I like jazz, and it sounds pretty good on guitar...

kingdavid

02-09-2002, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by florien
David, in Holland you see mostly girls on the dancefloor and belive me, i jump around a lot when i'm going out. Here a lot of guys stay aside, because they think they don't look cool when they are having fun, they're stupid.

Just like Daniel,now I think I would also like to visit Holland.And it's not coz my folks are from there;they're not.I've also heard quite a bit about the night life in Amsterdam!
Anyway,I suppose that when I started this thread,I wanted to see responses from girls who do this.Coz I don't get to see very many,if any.Maybe I don't go to the right places.
We all know how we react when you see a person with a guitar,and you're a player yourself.You might chat them up or something,and if they find out you play too,they tend to be friendly,I suppose it that thing of having something in common.(God knows I'mvery friendly to guys who play,maybe it's coz I hope to learn whatever I can from them). Now,if you can add,to this "bond-by-default",the sexuality of human beings,that would be something.;)For me,I think that's what this thread is about.
*Shrug*

[Edited by kingdavid on 02-09-2002 at 12:20 PM]

nechako

02-09-2002, 10:00 PM

To be honest, I dont play to poeple much anyway... and it's wierd at what poeple are impressed at... I did some fast tapping in the guitar shop the other day, I just got looks of "oh.. another one, oh he's sooo prebucient.. god... he's not even playing anything descernable",
If you were tapping like that in 1985 all the chics and people for a 1000 miles around would have gathered at your feet just to smell them. Its too bad so many posers ruined tapping because I luv it. aaand also listening to most music today how much of it is discernable. Done well tapping rocks ass, a great book by dave celantano teaches tapping bach pieces. Ifind if you tap around the neck and mix it with other techniques switching sound effects and tell some sort of story with it all, give it some sort of plot-imagine it as a sound track for something.

friskynibbles

02-10-2002, 11:36 AM

If you like good beer, hot women (sexy accent!) and weed, Holland may just be your dream holiday destination. That or British Columbia, Canada!
-Daniel

James

02-10-2002, 12:01 PM

... don't forget legal prostitution (in Holland, not BC)

nechako

02-10-2002, 06:15 PM

Holland here i cum

Lordathestrings

02-11-2002, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by James
... don't forget legal prostitution (in Holland, not BC) As if thats a reason to go anywhere!! :p

kingdavid

02-11-2002, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by Lordathestrings
Originally posted by James
... don't forget legal prostitution (in Holland, not BC) As if thats a reason to go anywhere!! :p
It is.
The fact that it exists is evidence that people go there for those very things.

Christoph

02-11-2002, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by James
... don't forget legal prostitution (in Holland, not BC)

All I can say is that if you've gotta pay for sex these days, you must be pretty sad.

People are pratically giving it away.

kingdavid

02-11-2002, 01:33 PM

You're right chris.But those who give it don't wear tags saying thus.So out of not knowing,pple pay those who declare outright,it's fo sale

nechako

02-11-2002, 02:25 PM

[QUOTE
All I can say is that if you've gotta pay for sex these days, you must be pretty sad. "

Its a sad world sometimes and anyways ya end up paying for it one way or another with the hassels, lies, smell, diseases, child support, boring conversations afterwards, gifts(bribes), b.s.; you can play 2 or 3 guitars in the same room and they never argue.

kingdavid

02-11-2002, 02:44 PM

True,that

Christoph

02-11-2002, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by kingdavid
You're right chris.But those who give it don't wear tags saying thus.

Oh, I think it's pretty easy to tell the people in the night club that you can get to come home with you after just one drink.

If ya know what I'm sayin' . . .

Originally posted by nechako
Its a sad world sometimes and anyways ya end up paying for it one way or another with the hassels, lies, smell, diseases, child support, boring conversations afterwards, gifts(bribes) . . .

True . . . maybe celibacy is the way to go.

Originally posted by nechako
. . . you can play 2 or 3 guitars in the same room and they never argue.

LOL. That's what I've always said. Your guitar doesn't care if you go play another guitar. And you can just put it back in its case when you're done playing.

florien

02-11-2002, 04:50 PM

All those drugs and prostitution tourists, tourists in Amsterdam are so funny, they're all really stoned! We also have a nice countryside, beautiful beaches, but you tourists never see them, even when they go there, they are too stoned to realise they are on a beach.
Do you know by the way that we dutchies smoke less weed then most others, i studied in Enland for 1 year and i was really amazed by how much everyone smoked. I have never been in a coffie-shop. We only probably try it when we are younger, but it's not cool to smoke weed here, so not many continue.
Anyway, if you are planning to come to my beatiful country, Welcome and have fun.
It's true that we have a very free way of thinking, you can do and say a lot here. there was a naked skater with golden skates in Amsterdam some time ago, things like that are accepted here, if you feel like doing things like that, you can.

florien

02-11-2002, 05:01 PM

Prostitution is everywhere, i don't know so much about it, but i think that prostitutes in Holland have a better life than elsewere and there is also more control.

lalimacefolle

02-11-2002, 05:17 PM

Drugs suck, because they encourage parallel economy, which lead to violence, and corruption.

Prostitution, a french saying says it's the oldest job. I guess society needs those girls/men who sell their body since they sometimes act as shrinks for sad people.

But everything is ****ed up because of money... Anything, when you put money in it, is due to crash itself. Art is due to crash, since money is now ruling it. I can't wait to see major companies going bankrupt because some whizz kid will have found a way to let artists rule their own career through a web site... **** those commercial vampires...

nechako

02-11-2002, 06:00 PM

ifamilaierdyteaaalcille , close enough sorry I agree with you 11111155550000% and more, self ruled artists; and what is the word artist anyway? a commercial label! I like the word creator or creative person or guitar "player" emphasis on "play" here, fun. Any one interested in becoming part of the "plan" to self publish please do so.

lalimacefolle

02-11-2002, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by nechako
ifamilaierdyteaaalcille

First time my name is spelled that way...

Anyways, artists do need support, because we are not all commercial guys or experts. We must do the job we can do.

Since last september, my demo on my site has been downloaded more than 600 times... It wouldn't be much more if I had to sell them... But I know I have created a buzz, and I hope someway, someone will turn the economy around to give power back to where it belongs... Record companies must serve the interest of artists, not the other way around...

James

02-11-2002, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by florien
i studied in Enland for 1 year and i was really amazed by how much everyone smoked. I have never been in a coffie-shop. We only probably try it when we are younger, but it's not cool to smoke weed here, so not many continue.

Seriously? Wow... I find that remarkable. Here in Canada (as I'm sure it is for most of the western world), about 60% of kids in highschools smoke weed. In my school it's probably more like 70. And a LOT of just little grade nines, like 14 years old. It has little to do with enjoying the herb (not that I'm condoning it, I'm going to leave my own views on marijuana aside for the moment) and everything to do with "looking cool"...

It's easier to get weed here then it is to get beer, and probably easier to get weed here then it is in Holland. Despite the fact it's legal there.

Raskolnikov

02-11-2002, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by James
[QUOTE]It's easier to get weed here then it is to get beer, and probably easier to get weed here then it is in Holland. Despite the fact it's legal there.

Well, here in Vermont a lot of people I know have very little trouble growing the stuff. I even know of somebody who starts plants under his bed.

Regardless, I notice a lot of people when younger really get into alcohol, pot, and a couple of other choice drugs for a while, then usually after college say "what the hell was I thinking?" and all but stop with them.

Then again you'll have people that do the exact opposite...

Personally I don't like to introduce anything into my life that I won't be able to quit at any time I want. Keeping myself in bass strings is expensive enough.

educatedfilm

02-12-2002, 06:51 AM

Lalimacefollie: in principle I TOTALY agree with you, but there are practical issues that need to be dealt with,. the music scene we see today is nothing like the fifties, you have a hell of a lot compition, and the little "5,000 copy 2 single deal" guy cant fight the big big big companies..

if you want to put out a release on a national scale (we're talking in excess of 100,000 copies), then there is a substansail financial risk involved, and no-one will take that risk unless they expect to make good money out of it, and it's not too risky.. this means the record lable will pick the bands that are doing mostly what is popular at the moment, and if you get picked put out your most catchy songs, not necserilly your best, and secondly they will put serious restrictions on the content of your music...

This is why I love small local record lables, you get to hear some really early cool stuff from bands, and it's not forced or restricted... THe small record lalbels are like stepping stones at the moment, which i think is better than having the big companies look at the charts and look for more of the same (which is not a good thing, and you only need to look at the BIG rap artists, and your "PRS" bands, as i call them.) At the end of the day though, you look at the huge sums of money that go in to recording an album alone, and then look at the promotion costs, you relizes that the record companies are only doing what they have to make a living... so to get onto a major record lable and remain respected and well looked after, you really need to have a good track record and have a buz about you at the mo, which is really hard to achieve (but that's the story with the strokes)..
Hope this made sense instead of my usual ramblings..

lalimacefolle

02-12-2002, 10:52 AM

I totally agree. But here's an idea.

You put your music free to download on your site. Everytime someone downloads it, you have to put a 5 seconds ad in front of the song, or at the end, whatever. You get paid by the people you gave you that ad 10 cents per song downloaded...
So the customer has free music, the guy who pays you gets ads to a public he chooses (punk bands: punk fashion for example) and you get some money for what you like to do most...

Why hasn't anyone put that on the web already?? Because people who want to get most of the money are the webmasters or the commercial companies, NOT the artist... I prefer earning 60 bucks per year with my music, getting fans (I have 2 mails per week telling me how goo I am, isn't that cool?) than just keeping it in a closet in my house... Think about it!

kingdavid

02-12-2002, 11:26 AM

I think you guys will agree with me that as much as we love to hate record companies for exploiting artists,most(if not all)artists are in this for the fame and money.And everything in life is a business;I dont know how big the "undertaking" business is,but if people never used to die,a lot of revenue would be lost.Back in the days,people used to hear about musicians from the local festivites and stuff that used to happen.That didn't cost anything.Today,as film said,promotion and stuff costs money.If you wernt in it for the money,why would you target 100000 copies sales and stuff like that?Why would you want to play in 40,50,60000-seat venues,preferrably packed to capacity?The fame,the money.Business,my dear friends,is anything but noble.Didn't know that?Welcome to the world.
Look at Enron.All those financial scandals you hear and stuff.I think art remains noble if done on a small,human scale.Beyond that,business "rules" apply,and they usually hurt.Everywhere,not just in music or art.If we were born rich(could handle the financial risks),you'll find most of us wouldnt do this;we already have the money,why bother with a career?

lalimacefolle

02-12-2002, 12:02 PM

I have never said that I hated record companies, they do not exploit artists. If a company has put 100000 bucks ont the line to get an artist out of his garage, it is normal that they get their share of the money.

But record companies exploit their customers. How can anyone have a taste for art if all the things he hears is marketed identical music? 8 times out of ten, I can hear identical grooves in the music teens buy (they make half of the market).

I'm a music teacher, and my job is to make kids taste different kinds of music... But for the largest part of the population, Puff Daddy, destiny's child, are all the biggest artists ever, without even knowing they are rippoffs (even among real rappers, puffy is considered as a sellout) sad, sad, sad...

I'm starting my own company to promote artists this month. I hope I'll earn money thanks to that, but this is not my goal. First thing is to make musicians get out of their garage and be on the net. It won't be a record company, nor a "start-up" but something to help talented guys handle non musical things, so that they can keep on playing.

nechako

02-12-2002, 01:56 PM

you people are all brilliant keep up the work, we all build this network of artists.

James

02-12-2002, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by lalimacefolle
I totally agree. But here's an idea.

You put your music free to download on your site. Everytime someone downloads it, you have to put a 5 seconds ad in front of the song, or at the end, whatever. You get paid by the people you gave you that ad 10 cents per song downloaded...
So the customer has free music, the guy who pays you gets ads to a public he chooses (punk bands: punk fashion for example) and you get some money for what you like to do most...

I think that's a really cool idea

educatedfilm

02-12-2002, 02:33 PM

good idea lalimacefolle (it's been bugging me, what does that mean? sorry my french has really gone down hill, and if i were to go to france tomorow, the only thing that would get me buy would be "je sius desolee", which is apt i think :)) on both acounts...

The thing is though Kingdavid, i do slightly diagree with you, I mean big biusness is crushing but it'll all in the name of the american dream in the end, the good thing is that record companies relize that a happy artist works better, and give them creative freedom to write, but that changes when it comes to single release etc which i think is fairly resonable for your album buying public...

there are bands that have made it, admitidly it took them years but they've dont it, Radiohead would be a prime example...
One of the best band's that I know at the minute are "life with out biuldings", and it's sad that most poeple here wont get to hear their biutiful stuff (unlessI upload it for a short while, and tell you all to go and listen, their lead singer is woman with a child like voice and her singing style is the most unique i know, she has the abilty to make 2 or 3 words into one, it's very weird and cool), but there's nothing you can really do about it... I mean it's like rap, there is some great rap out there but the main stream is EXTREMLY fanacailly driven, and so most of you wont have heard Blackaliscious or Oneday, but will have heard of PUFF Dady/ p didy etc

lalimacefolle

02-12-2002, 05:17 PM

I am thinking about that idea, that would be cool to put a site up where people would upload their mp3s, and companies would pay so that you could.... I'll think about it, don't steal my idea!!!

Anyways, la limace folle means the crazy slug. Don't ask me why I choose this name, all my friends just call me la limace folle, that's all :)

educatedfilm

02-12-2002, 05:23 PM

I wont steal your idea, crazy slug (were you like the lethargic brother of Crazy horse? lol)... just get moving with it! It's a pretty good idea, I'd like to see it happen fairly soon (i know it takes long for the cogs to turn, so I'll be pataint)...

lalimacefolle

02-12-2002, 05:40 PM

well, all it takes are companies who wish to pay around 20 cents so that the artist gets 10 cents per download, the rest would go to site hosting and in my pocket...

I'd say it's quite expensive, but I might argue that since you know pretty much who's gonna download what, you are sure that the money you invest is not wasted... Anyone here owns a company??

Also, the idea is not totally mine, I came up with it when I read an article that Ron thal wrote, where he said let the music be free, just count the downloading, and pay it thanks to advertisement on the radio and on the site of download.
http://www.ronthal.com/articles/napster.htm

peek around his site, he is a genius on the guitar too...

kingdavid

02-13-2002, 11:36 AM

I will quote someone who is a columnist on one of my favourite guitar sites, http://www.guitarnoise.com :
"Music is meant to be shared. It is its nature. The high that you get from playing is amplified enormously when playing for and (more so) with others."
Having said that,as civilizations have grown and changed,so has the sharing end of this whole thing.Long ago,musicians used to do their thing in fairs,palaces,courts,things like that.The art was always thriving(is and forever shall).But the way music was shared wasn't very advanced.But with communications and technology,this has changed.
What record companies do(I know you know,I'm saying it for the purposes of this "conversation")is make a business out of the sharing end of music.And at this point,I should say that I think lal has his notions on the industry wrong.I say record companies cheat musicians.He says he didn't say that.But he did."...put power where it belongs..rec companies should work for the artists interests,not the other way round..."That sounds like exploitation to me.And he doesnt have any love for them,otherwise he wouldnt be waiting for them to go bankrupt!
So labels are in the sharing end of music.And the way businesses are run pretty much depends on whos running them,which is how come doing the same job in different companies could pay very variedly,depending.Even the business models used depend on those who created them.lal seems to be having another one,which btw looks very good.But whether or not this helps artists is a different story altogether:you could still give artists lousy deals and tell them to take them or go to hell,if say you had monopoly power,the artist was helpless against you....stuff like that.Like they mostly are with the present setup.It all boils down to what drives you,why you do what you do,how much you care for people,etc,etc.
And another thing:we may want to think otherwise,but whatever ideas go throuhg our minds go through other peoples' minds as well.Record companies are now offering download services,but if critics are to be believed,these services suck.And lal,dont imagine what you're thinking hasnt occured to them.It probably has,but they realised it wouldnt serve their interests.And believe me,you and I arent part of their interests.
Think of this:how would YOU run a regular record company if you were the main man there.And if how you would isnt how those who do it do it,how come?You'd have to deal with all the things they deal with.Financiers,ROE's,logistics,show promoters,your secretary,artists' egos(now,do we have those!).What comes out at the end depends on who you are.What drives you.Why you do what you do.

lalimacefolle

02-13-2002, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by kingdavid
And he doesnt have any love for them,otherwise he wouldnt be waiting for them to go bankrupt!

I do not have love for records companies, and I have also said they were vampires :)

I know my way around them, and I also know they are a necessary evil. Of course, musicians couldn't deal with all the hassle of show business. They couldn't promote themselves on international levels, deal with ASCAP, and everything music involves once it starts being a job(it's quite fun sometimes)

One guy has understood something, it's VIRGIN's boss, BRONSON(can't remember his name). He has created his label with in mind the artist and the public. Since his company has grown so much, I guess they now work like all majors do, but still, that guy became rich thanks to his artistic vision and unique way of dealing with artists.

You said my idea wouldn't serve the Companies, of course, they wouldn't have 80% of the profit like they do right now!!! :( If the contracts specified that the company could make say, the double of the money they put on the line, then the profits would only be the artists'(the company taking money to cover the cost of making the CDs, promotion etc...), wouldn't it be a better deal for the artist? Well, we all talk about piracy, but would we all download stuff if we really stole from the artist (if you had to pay ONLY the money the artist makes on all the tracks you have downloaded any of you guys, I'm pretty sure you would have less than 200 bucks to pay). And of course, the price of the CDs would drop a lot (since the label doesn't take interests after a number of copies)

How would I run a company? I'm creating one this month. If I ever hire people (which I don't plan to do for some time, since it's an individual company) I'd put my job on the line every year, where employees would elect me or not (there's a company in France that has done that for 30 years, the guy just retired, and he was considered as the most loved boss ever). But I'd do what I just wrote, make maybe the double of the money I invest, then it's all the artists'. I would find a way of making them be a part of their success (promoting, giving clinics or whatever) but profit would not be my goal...
It's a gamble to work that way, since the guy who's successful and the guy who barely makes it give you the same ration of interest (200%) But I guess you can't be an artist's boss if all you try to do is take his money from him....

nechako

02-13-2002, 03:28 PM

I often wonder if I suddenly became famous if I would wave my freak in everyones faces and let it corrupt me into a pile of sespool egoism or .....?

Raskolnikov

02-13-2002, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by nechako
I often wonder if I suddenly became famous if I would wave my freak in everyones faces and let it corrupt me into a pile of sespool egoism or .....?

You're not alone. Of course, I also ponder ways to piss people off with my fame. I think that's a positive sign.

friskynibbles

02-14-2002, 10:56 AM

there are certain people who would hear no end of it :D
-Daniel

PonyOne

02-15-2002, 01:10 AM

If I ever get nominated for a grammy, the band and I are coming in on the back of an old Ford pickup in jeans & T-shirts. And I won't say anything profound when I get up to accept, just be like "Thanks, God, fans, wife, band." Then walk off, run back and go "oh and Jessica Alba <makes thrust w/hips> damn you fine" and go back to my seat and put on headphones. As far as the industry goes it's commercial suicide, i'll even go up to n'sync and just stand behind em going "BYE BYE BYE" and dancing like i'm retarded, but IT WILL SELL RECORDS.

I plan to give loads to charities and I'd like to start a thing where I get a guitar company, in conjunction w/me, to take letters from inner city and country kids from around the nation, maybe the world, and select the ones with the most musical drive and/or saddest stories and give them free guitars & amps... if I get like Bono and I've got a few million, let's see, 100 of those Crate starter packs would cost 25 grand, and it's not like I need 20 million bucks, so I'd even do it myself. It's good PR but moreso, it's that I begged for a guitar my whole life and, coming from a non-musical family that didn't get my drive, I didn't get one until I was 16 and had dropped out of school to get a job. Nobody else should have to do that, and I'd love to do something to help kids in similar binds. I don't really give a crap about the PR, it's more about giving back and remembering ones humble beginnings.

Feel free to rip that idea off.

Raskolnikov

02-15-2002, 01:19 AM

Oh, I'm right with you. I've planned for quite some time that if I ever have a signature series instrument, that I'd use them on tour for a year and give them to a specific guitar shop (where I do as much of my business as possible) to sell to beginners as if they were a used Squier.

nechako

02-15-2002, 02:23 PM

[It's good PR but moreso, it's that I begged for a guitar my whole life and, coming from a non-musical family that didn't get my drive, I didn't get one until I was 16 and had dropped out of school to get a job.

>>>>I wanted a guitar the same way, my dad was a british materialist, more concerned with pomp and position- I was to follow a path that made sense and profit, and neither it did it ruined me...untill I returned to my dream and put faith in it when I was 21!- I started from scratch, everyone told me that I was too old, that it takes forever, bla bla bla. Its better to follow the dream than sell out and become a "yes man", "go getter" and sell your soul to the corporate demon. I'm not the best nor the worst but I love every real note, and I pass it on wherever I can. Thank you all for encouraging and inspiring me further, I've been in artist depression of late.

friskynibbles

02-15-2002, 02:41 PM

i would tour tour tour tour tour and make more music. i'd love every moment of it. and i'd actually hang out with my fans.
-daniel

educatedfilm

02-15-2002, 05:24 PM

oh god, if i got famous... sweet jesus, you'd all find me by following the trail of beat up reporters (I may be little, but you'd be surprised at what i can do)... and to be honest if i got really realy rich, one thing i would do is turn up on the sub-way/ underground, with a siutcase full of cash... and sit under one of those emergency brake levers, the ones that say "penalty charge upto £250".. and just keep tuggin at it and handing the conductor guy wads of £250... MWAAAHAHAHAHAaaa.. so NOBODY would get to work on time...
yeah i came from an non musical non artistic backround and both are seen as waste, but they've slowly relized it's not just a fad, and that there is potential... but it's strange it's histroy repeating, cos my dad came from a very poor background and nobody took his dream of getting a really decent education, and becoming a doctor... I mean my grandad got him to go work with carpenters/ plumers etc in his summer holidays to "teach him a trade"... but now he's a doctor, and as Much as he tries to mask it, he's pretty bitter about the lack of faith in him (untill the day he actaully got into med school)... BUT YOU'D THINK HE'D KNOW BETTER THAN TO TELL ME I'M WASTING MY TIME WITH PAITINGS AND GIUTAR!!!.. sigh.. what can you do...

As for charity, I would do charity work, but none of it public... I dont want to have that horrible naggin' concience asking me wether it was good will or pr... but then again to the poeple recieving the much neede help it wouldn't really matter...

PonyOne

02-15-2002, 06:27 PM

I'd still be driving an average car, most of the time at least, living in a nice, but still relatively normal house; no gold pillars or any of that crap. I think that, my background being what it was, it'd be hard for me to be like Madonna or Michael Jackson or something, have like 5 houses around the world, my own plane, be totally untouchable and never talk to the fans.

I'd like to do a combined tour where I do arena shows as well as small venues, after which I and the band sort of mingle with the folks that're paying for my new house, clothes, food, gas money, new instruments, etc. I went to see Col. Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade and the band was really cool, they weren't like "hey you, you peon, hands off the stage!" in fact Les was checking out my g/f the whole time, at one time his face was like three inches from her bosom, I didn't mind though.

Too many of the great artsts I've met are people who had a difficult time, not just with life, but in terms of getting to a point where they could act on the dream they realized, they vision they saw and the feelings that came naturally. I love to draw and that's a lot easier to do than play guitar, if nothing else in that it's easier and cheaper to pursue. My shoulderbag has about $450 worth of supplies in it at any given time, mostly because I used to work at an art supply store and they let me walk off w/stuff.

My bassist & best bud is a black guy whose dad was always really into art and music, and was overjoyed when I gave my pal a bass for Christmas; he just got pissed when he started playing rock, not funk or soul. My parents always ignored my wants to play guitar and other instruments, it was always this "Tristan (my name), you're a great sketcher, stick with that" attitude, meanwhile my family runs into the gutter playing for my less-talented sister to take lessons for three different types of dance, karate, horseback riding, violin, swimming, and a bunch of other stuff. I don't talk to my parents much; Scandanavian Catholic at the root, my family tends to take the "boys can go ahead & tough it; let's put the girls on a crystal pedestal" attitude toward stuff. And thanks to it, there's a 10-year rift between us.

My mom was a little more open to my playing guitar than my dad. He was pissed off at me for dropping out of school, getting engaged, leaving Catholicism and converting to Judaism (which I've had a long interest in), and a number of other issues. He just seemed to have lost faith in me, that after years of having neither parent be there for me when friends died or anything else, I ended up taking Prozac at 14 and then he took this "TRISTAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? IT'S GONNA BE O---KAY. JUST RELAX" way of dealing with me, like I was stupid or something. He doesn't generally care to see my art, and when he does he gets mad at me for saying profane words, or if nothing else, just gets really awkward. He cares even less to hear my music.

So a few weeks ago he came into the living room when everyone was asleep and stumbled upon me hammering out a beat on my Yamaha groovebox. He though it sounded really cool and asked what CD it was; when I said "oh, I've been working on this for like three minutes" he was shocked. On the one hand it feels good, on the other, it hurts that he's been willfully oblivious for most of my life.

Raskolnikov

02-15-2002, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by PonyOne
combined tour where I do arena shows as well as small venues, after which I and the band sort of mingle with the folks that're paying for my new house, clothes, food, gas money, new instruments, etc. I went to see Col. Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade and the band was really cool, they weren't like "hey you, you peon, hands off the stage!" in fact Les was checking out my g/f the whole time, at one time his face was like three inches from her bosom, I didn't mind though.

When I saw CLCFFFB about a year ago there was this woman... well, a couple of people, but basicly she ended up getting spun around some guy in such a manner as to knock a few people around and make me want to smack the both of them. The odd thing is she looked pretty "Hippy-ish;" something that (in idealogy anyway) promotes being considerate to others. Anyway, a few minutes later she ends up crowd surfing...

And I remember quite clearly Eenor watching her with a steadily growing grin then laughter as she teetered a bit and fell to the floor.

My advice is this though: Never throw anything at Les. I cannot post his comments on being clocked with a crushed tin can here on this message board, and the person who threw it is probably not over the emotional trauma of said comments even today.

PonyOne

02-15-2002, 10:21 PM

Somebody threw a glowstick up onstage and actually hit his picking hand at the concert I was at... it was pretty funny, actually. He went into this tirade about how he was there to entertain us and that's all he wanted to do, and all the good people were enjoying it, when some supid raver kid decides to throw a glowstick at him, and the security hauled the kid out while les was like "no brig him back up here, i wanna kick his girly pansy ass," "we're gonna have fisticuffs" and finally "hey if you see anyone throw stuff at us do me a favor and kick their ass."

Also, "really, what kind of an idiot plays with glowsticks? i mean come on, stickin em in your mouth, nose, ears, god knows where else... you know, one of my personal mantras: if it glows, keep it away from your unmentionables. I can't stress that enough. KEEP IT AWAY. I've seen the results of getting those things close to your reproductive organs and it ain't pretty."

Raskolnikov

02-15-2002, 11:09 PM

Email me if you want a more "colorful" Claypool gets hit with a flying object story.

And this was at a Primus show mind you... one of my brother's friends was also there and knew the kid who threw the can. He was punched upon just as soon as Les started Tommy the Cat back up again. He came out bruised and with broken ribs which he tried to say he got from "pitting."

kingdavid

02-16-2002, 05:57 AM

When I get famous & rich,I think I'll have a lot of avenues to be charitable;I'm Kenyan,and in case you didn't know,Kenya is in sub-saharan Africa.I can't even begin to list tj areas one's money and time could go into.You might get depressed,and I don't like posting depressing stuff.Not on this forum.;)

lalimacefolle

02-16-2002, 06:22 AM

A priest friend moved to Benin last year. We write a lot, and last time he visited me. His views and things on his mind are WAY different than ours...
I have just bought a house, and I was wondering about the interests I had to pay, while he thought about where they were going to take their homeless kids... Sad but true...

When you buy a pack of strings, just know that you are spending the equivalent of 2 weeks of salary back there... Just have it on your mind. I pray that someday, all humans might eat all they need, and be able to think only about art and music (because when you can think about that, it means you have eaten and you have a place to sleep at night.)

kingdavid

02-16-2002, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by lalimacefolle
A priest friend moved to Benin last year. We write a lot, and last time he visited me. His views and things on his mind are WAY different than ours...
I have just bought a house, and I was wondering about the interests I had to pay, while he thought about where they were going to take their homeless kids... Sad but true...

When you buy a pack of strings, just know that you are spending the equivalent of 2 weeks of salary back there... Just have it on your mind. I pray that someday, all humans might eat all they need, and be able to think only about art and music (because when you can think about that, it means you have eaten and you have a place to sleep at night.)
You wouldn't believe some of the s*#@ that happens here.Remember that photo during the'86(I think)famine in Ethiopia,of a kid stumbling,on her way to dying,and being followed by a VULTURE?I see a human being,the bird of prey sees a potential meal.This world is ****ed up.Well and truly ****ed up.And all Bush can think of is kill OBL.(I think he's taken up this terror thing,as much as it's valid,with so much zeal coz he doesn't have an agenda.Imagine the news without afghanistan and the middle east:no news.To win a second term,you need to have been in the news somehow).

lalimacefolle

02-16-2002, 06:55 AM

I know... We talked about the 9.11, and he told me that at the same time, a genocide was taking place in some african country (can't remember the name though) where more than 100000 people were going to die or had already died, and nobody cared.

He didn't say that the terrorist attack wasn't a shame, but he said wa had lost some kind of standards.
When people who are powerful die, it's a world sensation. When a entire country is under siege and HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS are killed by an army than has been bought by some rich fool (as it was in Afghanistan before everyone turned to it then bombed it, well, there's at least five countries that live the same situation right now) nobody gives a flying ****...
When he told me he went to Benin, I was scared of the civil war, and he told me "don't worry, there's nothing there, no petrol, no gold, no mines, so there won't be any war". It means that people die only because of money... We won't make the world a better place by writing on this board, but dudes, think that your most important stuff right now are just superficial (the brand of your new guitar, what you would do if you won 10 millions, became famous...) There are people in this world who starve, who are tortured, who cannot say what they have on their mind.

We won't change the world, but be aware of it.

Raskolnikov

02-16-2002, 09:19 AM

The thing with Bush is he's very domesticly oriented, and when I say that, he's representing domestic big business. Outside of more jobs, his policy really doesn't make much sense. I think November 11th gave him his second term, I just hope he takes some common sense approaches here in the future.

What I really want to see is a domestic policy that encourages jobs (lower business taxes possibly), but also keeps a progressive tax base and a sensible budget. So many things, such as environmental reform really make sense if you have the vision to really boil them down to what they mean: lower emissions means higher efficency, higher efficency is good for business. A cleaner world is more hospitable and better for tourism...

One could go on and on forever just on the domestic implications.

Joseph

02-16-2002, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Raskolnikov
The thing with Bush is he's very domesticly oriented, and when I say that...

:eek:
[eidt, sorry!!, you can put a link but not a picture... I gotta look after this place haven't i! :) ]
However, ewith the old cliche that beautiful woman don't play guitar, that bull**** if you ask me. Because beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. It's not all about perfect cheek bones, or breasts, it's all about the little things which make a woman attractive. And as we get older guys, it's not that we start to set our standards lower, but we become much more smart!

-Joseph

[Edited by educatedfilm on 02-16-2002 at 11:56 AM]

Raskolnikov

02-16-2002, 09:40 AM

I hate the way they cropped that picture.

Joseph

02-16-2002, 10:14 AM

But that doesn't mean we can't let ourselves be heard, :D
-Joseph

Christoph

02-16-2002, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by lalimacefolle
When people who are powerful die, it's a world sensation. When a entire country is under siege and HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS are killed by an army . . .

That's the way the world is, and that's the way it's always gunna be. Take it or leave it.

lalimacefolle

02-16-2002, 12:05 PM

Saying that means you actually think it's normal... Tough break...

educatedfilm

02-16-2002, 12:06 PM

hmmm... I'm not sure about that... It's not right to simply accept that the rich will walk over the poor... You gotta do something, even if it isn't that major (i mean the rise in the sales of "fair trade" good is a good indicator that you dont have to accept the crummy system)... hmmm, but it's all about concience... and a media that's sooo biased it's embrassing... murder is murder, and something should be done, instead of sweeping one under the carpet and using the other for political/ finacail gains... that's the whole afganistan issue for you...
I mean if poeple could get some fair reporting then I'd think we'de be closer to peace... we would hold those responsible on BOTH sides, not all about how evil this bearded-man-in-a-"cave" (not actaully a cave, but a complex originally payed for by the US tax payer) is responsible for everything... The US has a list of terrorist acts (judged by the FBI definition of terrorism) as long as my arm, but the poeple in the media dont wanna talk about it... WHY?? (oooh, I have a feeling this may end up going in the direction of "america under attack" thread)

[Edited by educatedfilm on 02-16-2002 at 12:10 PM]

Lordathestrings

02-16-2002, 12:12 PM

Most people don't want to rule the world. They just want to be left alone, to get on with their lives as best they can. Sadly, this makes them vulnerable to the assholes who do want to rule the world.

Lordathestrings

02-16-2002, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by educatedfilm
... (oooh, I have a feeling this may end up going in the direction of "america under attack" thread)...This thread hasn't been about beautiful girls playing, (or not playing), guitar since the top of page 9, anyway.

Christoph

02-16-2002, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by lalimacefolle
Saying that means you actually think it's normal...

It is normal.

Originally posted by educatedfilm
(oooh, I have a feeling this may end up going in the direction of "america under attack" thread)

I think this settles it all -

http://people.freenet.de/mistoo/0080.jpg

educatedfilm

02-16-2002, 12:33 PM

suppouse your right...:)
i totaly agree... but the thing is the peaceful poeple are POWERFUL, they can VOTE, if they dont like what's going on they can do something about it... this is why I really fear for american democracy... THe hole point is that you have a right to have a thought/ say and the free will to chose who you want to govern...
but when your told only one side of the facts, then your choice will not have been your own. Now you take this a step further, and when it comes to war. It scares the living crap out of me, to see someone declare war and see everyone step in line (with out thinking).. simply puttin gout the justification (the reason i say this is because I've actaully found that the taliban have a better track record than the northern alliance!!! and that argument against the taliban is very weak, mostly a vidoe clip of a guy hitting an afgan woman, I mean really? how stupid do they think i am? does anyone remember Rodney King?)... Bin Laden was ruled out by all the military/ intelligence experts, and they all pretty much said, that someone in the US is responsible.. but then the whitehouse said it was bin laden, and all these poeple shut up (and stepped in line with out asking any questions )... The same will happen with Iraq, they're gonna bomb the crap out of Iraq for no real gain (i mean other than the slum in their oil prices and to re-instate their authority over the iraqi's)... THey wanna bomb sudan, why?? for the love of god, 11 of those alledged hi jackers are sudi! Any action against sudi? NO! this is scary stuff, to see for the first time that governemnt has put finacial intrests over the true quest for justice..
Sorry about my rant, I just get sooo upset when I listen to intelligent poeple telling me that situation is acceptable...
THank god that not all the news we hear comes from these poeple ,that's why I love the net really they give you all of the news, Like kandahar air port was under heavy fire the night before last (as i predicted, the taliban are still around, this "victory" was in the press but not in real life :)... it's history repeating, the mujahdeen did the same against the russains, they withdrew from the cities hid in the mountains (cos there is no way they could get a fair fight in the cities, cos they're so open to heavy fire), and used guerilla war fair, very effectivley, against the russians...
this means now mean they cant biuld thier pipeline that they want, and there's noway they're gonna put infantry vs infantry...
I have no quarell with the idea that the US should fine the poeple responsible and give them a fair trail, and if convicted then excute them... but i do have shtick with the idea that "i believe he's giulty" suddenly is the gospel truth.. just like "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" (which reminds me that factory that was bombed in sudan was proved to have been innocent by amnisty international, but how many of you heard this on Fox news or CNN?)
sorry about this long rant...

[Edited by educatedfilm on 02-16-2002 at 12:42 PM]

educatedfilm

02-16-2002, 12:36 PM

thanks for putting a link (and not a picture up) christoph :)...

Lordathestrings

02-16-2002, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Christoph
I think this settles it all -Elvis Presley is remembered for showing us how to hold a guitar. I don't think she's a player (at least in the musical sense :D ).

Raskolnikov

02-16-2002, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by educatedfilm
(the reason i say this is because I've actaully found that the taliban have a better track record than the northern alliance!!! and that argument against the taliban is very weak, mostly a vidoe clip of a guy hitting an afgan woman, I mean really? how stupid do they think i am? does anyone remember Rodney King?)

Well, the thing is that media spin works both ways. In this specific instance the footage we all see on TV doesn't show King lunging at the police before the beating started. They just showed the portion of the tape where the police went too far.

Today in the States you'll find people who complain that we're not hearing enough about how "the war" isn't allways fair to the people of Afghanistan. There are also people who think we hear too much about every goat that's accidently bombed. I've ran into white supremacists who think that The Media is an instrument of Jewish propoganda, I've also met Zionists who beleive that the media is antisemetic.

Who's right?

educatedfilm

02-16-2002, 04:37 PM

you are right rask, but the same goes for that woman that was getting smacked about, we dont know what happened before hand... and infact we dont know why he was hitting her...
The point is, i think there are enough people who dont think might is right, to do something about it... provided they can be made to see what's being done in their name... there is no real reason that we'd get to a stage where wars are a real raritey... but this'll never happen if we get comfy and apathetic in our 9 to 5 jobs, and simply say "oh well, we can't do anything about it"... that way it really never will happen..
anyway, back to the subject... hmm, I've been thinking about this from a different point of view (no jokes please), but there is a lacking input of feminine (sp?) feeling into most of todays music... i mean other than the courtney love stuff, kitty, and one or two others... but one of the coolest and strangest bands i've heaerd was four sisters who'd been pushed into a band by their dad, and it's suppoused to be like 60's pop, but it's this wierd depressing sound style (might be cos the band never got anywhere)... it's very weird, I'll try and find out who they are... I might let y'all know, but looking at the sucess of the life with out biuldings thread I may not bother...

Christoph

02-16-2002, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by educatedfilm
thanks for putting a link (and not a picture up) christoph :)...

I thought that would be best . . . (seeing as how you trashed out Joseph's post) I knew it was only a matter of time before he posted another pic of Shannon . . . LOL.

Originally posted by Lordathestrings
I don't think she's a player

Not with those fingernails . . .

kingdavid

02-18-2002, 02:43 AM

Lal,
I think we just might.change the world,ie.
And you're right when you say that we've set the wrong standards;remember in '98,when the US embassies in Kenya(where as I've said I'm from)and tanzania were bombed?In Nairobi,they put the 13 Americans who died in Lee funeral home(the best morgue in this country,associated with the rich,those in high places,like govt. leaders....).They put the 200+ locals who died in some ware-house b4 those who weren't burnt beyond recognition could be taken by their relatives t wherever they take their dead,the rest to mass graves....This really hurt,especially considering we weren't the targets,just the grass that suffers when bulls fight(a swahili saying).I doubt if cnn reported this.And in the same period,200+ kenyans were dying every day(our fault tho')through road accidents and stuff like that,coz ther roads are bad,like really bad,corrupt traffic police...No one seemed to notice.
About this thread changing directions
dunno if I mind.That's how conversations go,one thing leads to another.As long as people are talking,i think it's all good.I imagine that's what the open forum is all about,talking.about whateva.

[Edited by kingdavid on 02-18-2002 at 02:54 AM]

lalimacefolle

02-18-2002, 10:13 AM

PonyOne

02-22-2002, 11:35 AM

One of my friends is an American by birth and lived here for 12 years, then moved to Australia for 2, then moved back here. He's always talking about how he abhors America, that he thinks of himself as an Australian even though he lived there for two years and he freely admits people hated him for being from the US.

Him: "America sucks... I mean, the rest of the world knows everything about us. In Brisbane, all the TV is American: American CNN, Friends, Baywatch, Dawsons Creek, all these dumb shows. There are like two Australian shows on there, and none here. We ship ourselves all over the world and everyone gets all this exposure to American society but we don't get any to theirs."

Tell me what you think of this statement... I want to see if anyone puts up the same defense as me.

Lordathestrings

02-22-2002, 01:10 PM

In Canada, this is often a big issue. The fact that most of our people tune into US television instead of 'home-grown' programming is a thorn in the side of cultural nationalists. But hey, that's the outcome of fair competition. Even the CBC, (which is our government-owned 'national broadcast network'), competes with private stations to buy American programs.

I will admit that the enormity of the American presence, (10 times our population), has made us vulnerable to those who would define us as 'not like Americans'. As in "We manage to get through our days without carrying guns around with us, not like Americans. :eek:

As a musician, I notice how much of the music we listen to here comes from the US, but I also notice that we make a lot of good music here, that Americans are largely unaware of.

I'm acutely aware of the cultural differences, as well as the similarities, so I have what I think is a clearer frame of reference, but I recognise that my view is not that of a large number of my fellow Canadians.

So... yes, America might be said to have a major trade imbalance in terms of culture. The prevalent attitude seems to be that anything from beyond the contiguous 48 States is insignificant. That is less so among younger people, and I think we have The Web to thank for this.

Raskolnikov

02-22-2002, 06:00 PM

But there are so man sub-cultures in the US. Why?
Because almost everybody here came from somewhere else originally.

I think US culture definately gets pushed out more than world culture seeps in, yet in a way US culture is a reflection of many world cultures coming together and stewing on this continent.

educatedfilm

02-22-2002, 07:07 PM

yeah, I dont have a problem with american culture (barr politics, and media) really... I mean you cant say "america sucks..", cos that's just bollox I'm afraid... i'd like to go to the US someday... I mean yeah, there is an imbalance in culture exporting/ importing... but that's always happened... I'm not saying it's fair, but will continue to happen when you have a huge difference in media... but in all fair ness, the cut throat american markets have kept the pharmacutical/ medical engineering healthy... I mean there's soo much compition, which can only be good for the consumers.. in their case poeple in need..
but I do agree about THOSE that he named.. i mena american sitcoms, are seriously lacking in anything... I mean the canned laughter is there to remind you, that that part was funny (other than simpsons, which is great, but becoming predictable).. I mean one of the best british comdy prgrams i watched, was "red dwarf", which is a cool sci-fi program , with a cast of 4 poeple... lots of dialouge, little to no slapstick, and very little toilet humour... now, when this was americanised, all of a sudden there were more charecters (who were crap), less dialouge, the scenes became shorter, more tiolet humour... and basically the only funny non political program was butcherd before out eyes... with more ,Bigger, BETTER...
I think the american culture by default gets a lot of exposure to lots of cultures... being formed from people all over the world
Lordofthestrings: isn't there a law in canada that says that something like a 1/3 of the music played on radio must be canadain? they're thinking of bringing in something like that over here..
I mean, I dont mind what I listen/ see... as long as i like it (with out it being shoved down my throat)... I mean my favourite american bands aren't really that famous over there anyway...