Guitar tricks record?... Whos in?....

[educatedfilm]

I've had this idea for a while, but I've not mangaed to find enough musicains...then it hit me, you'r all here...
Right, the idea is, basically some one starts a riff/ intro/ rythem whater ever right... then this is uploaded, the next person put's in their contribution and so so on... so basically we have a song...

The other way of doing this is to just all have everyone submit something in one key, and then get some one who's got some time on thier hands to produce it...

What do you think? who's in?... I mean we dont have to get to work straight way or anything... but I could help in finding out what everyone could contribute...

I'll go first... Vocals, guitar, whisteling (I couldn't just have two things in there, I'd feel sooo inferior to the guy that lists 8 or 9 instruments)....

<anyone intrested in forming an on-line band?... I'm busy at the moment but hopefully I wont be for long.. :)>

[zepp_rules]

why not!!!

[James]

I'm in... I think. I'll progbably need a bit more info once you have it.

[Raskolnikov]

Four strangs or five?

[Psycho Amram]

sounds great man!
i'm in.
i know a drummer maybe he'll goin too.
vocals(????? i'm not that good ?????), guiatr (you didn't expect that now did you?), piano.
please post any new info. you have
:cool:

[Zeppelin]

now when i solved the mystery of pc recording i'd realy like to do something like that

[educatedfilm]

cool... I've got a decent response....
Right we're gonna need to pick a key (we'll just stick to the one key at first, just to keep matters simple... cos we dont really know the pit falls of recording with poeple on line yet)...
I'm gonna introduce a couple of rules just to keep things in check...
1) Avoid shreding... I dont want the whole thing to turn into a "I bet I can shred faster than you" thing...
2) If you can contribute something other than guitar please do...
3) Keep good records of anything you contribute (and do the old trick of mailing your own tab with words with tape (if possible) to your self, and don't open it to keep the proof of date), that way there should be no agro about someone riping anyone else off...

We're gonna need some web space... Anyone got any good suggestions?... When we do get this sorted, sign up and post the Url and the password to all poeple involved in this project...

Rask: Five please :)... the more the merrier....

Are we gonna be ambitious enough to try harmonies?... I'd love to do vocal harmonies :D....

AS for guitar: we all ready have plenty of capable guitarists, now we need to allocate poeple to doing certain things... or at least find out what everyone wants to do, how you intend to do it, and more importantly tell us what effects/ setting your playing with....

This project may take a while, so I ask everyone to be patient....

Is there anyone available for a producer's job?...

By the way this isn't my project, it's all of ours... so it's not just me orchestrating the whole thing... So feel free to hand your good ideas...

As for key, I like Gmaj, it sounds ok and keeps life simple..(we'll pick the most voted for key...)

[zepp_rules]

i had to teach myself guitar, so i'm not exactly sure about the keys, if you guys wouldn't mind helping me out, i've got some pretty goods riffs down, but, again i don't know what key, they're in.

i'd appreciate any help

[Willdridge]

I'm in...

Guitars (duh!) vocals (backing, harmonies, certain leads), I'd offer my bass skills but I garentee Raskolnikov will wipe the floor with me, banjo (...ahem...)
Definitely interested.

[Lordathestrings]

I'm pretty sure everyone is thinking in terms of radical lead/solo parts. I suggest that Raskolnikov and myself can provide the kind of solid rhythm section needed to keep you 'string-slingers' in line! :D

[Christoph]

These online collaborations have been tried a lot over at Guitarwar, with some great results, I might add. (of course, they always have to shred a lot to prove that they're the greatest guitarist of all time) I tried one a long time ago, but it didn't work out because the other guy lost his internet connection for a while.

I can offer my "radical" rhythm skills, drum tracks, and maybe keyboard. I've got some web space too.

I suppose I should ask Eddy what style he wants to do?

Key: I vote for Ab Lydian. (or maybe not . . . )

[Zeppelin]

i suggest we shall do the whole thing in Cm if we use minor or G if we use major
ouh yes i use zoom gfx 707, and a cry baby wah pedal
i'd like to do something in a clasic rock style, something like zeppelin or deep purple and i can play lead and rhythm , but i prefer lead

[Lordathestrings]

'suits me... something I can lay down some open-tuned 12-string on, like "Bron-Y-Aur Stomp", or "That's The Way".

[Raskolnikov]

This thing is gonna be huge. Due to the number of people interested and for the sake of making sure everything is heard, I propose a couple of things:

Keep it to four or five peices max for a section of song. This means we'll have a longer peice with more parts. Should be really interesting.
Maybe split into two or three projects. There are so many styles represented here, it's gonna be interesting to see it all blend together.


This could be very cool. I have some web space, both on RedRival.com and my totally unused iDisk.

As for my "floor mopping" bass skills... well, I have my moments. Once I get Standing uploaded again, I'll give you a link to the most disgusting fretless bass fill ever. I mean, it's so horrible that I love it, and refused to re-do the track.

[James]

First I think we need to decide what kidn of song we're doing, and who's doing what. We can't decide on the key until we know what kind of song we're doing. Gmaj, Cm, AbLydian, these will all produce radically different vibes!

I suggest we start making a list of who can do what. I'll start off.

I am adequate at producing songs in Sonar, but I strongly suggest someone else do it who has more experience and better equiped to work with MIDI.

I can do lead work, harmonies, supportive guitar, but probably would stay away from the rhthym unless needed.
I also play nylon-string, so if that was needed I could fit it in (alhtough I don't have very good means of recording this).


Just a suggestion: what if we split up into groups for this, since it might be hard to do a song with three rhythm guitarists and five leads, etc.? Just wonderin if the phrase "Too many cooks spoils the soup" is better applied here as opposed to "the more the merrier"?
what are your thoughts?

[Lordathestrings]

I didn't think we were looking at a 2-minute song here.

People rave about the solo in "Stairway To Heaven", while sloughing off a whole bunch of stuff that gives the solo 'a place to live'.

I'd recommend going easy on the effects. The time-based stuff works best when it gets added during the mix-down.

So, who does what, and when?

[Lordathestrings]

I do 6 & 12 string acoustic and 6 string electric rhythm work, and some slow lead. I found that when I play fast, I lose track of what I was trying to say. I think the acoustic 12 is where I stand out.

We definitely will need someone to provide production guidance from square 1.

[educatedfilm]

WOW! I thought noone would respond... but wow look!

Right I think I'll go witht the two suggestions that we either
1) make a 12 minute epic, where there will be music breaks/ solos where the musians will pass on the batons to next guys.... SO it will be a montage of styles... I can just hear it now... "a sonic cacophony/barrage of guitar" is what i expect the point where the switch occurs, which I think is cool
2) or we split into smaller groups...

The other thing that I was thinking about talking to Jon about, is that maybe this should become a regular feature...
What does everyone think?

Personally I dont really want everyone to split up and form groups because of what they want to do... I want it all to be a mix of styles... although sometimes it may not be possible...

I'd like to keep the keys simple, to make life easier for us all for our first attempt... and to give poeple with not so good music theory (like my self) a chance...

I'm all excited about this :D...

[zepp_rules]

it's possible to do it with all of us. especially if we can get a twelve string in there. everyone might have to swallow their pride and play backing on some parts. i don't mind playing rhythm and i'll defer to the better leads.

what we may have to do is layer it, maybe have one guy play a part and and another playing the same thing an octave lower or higher.

but as said before, what type of song are we going for, a stairway type or a comfortably numb type or a freebird type, etc. this could really turn out great, but it may take some work.

[Psycho Amram]

wow! wow! everybody calm down! :eek:
we're only talking here i say it's time to DECIDE

i suggest we first decide what will be the style so everybody please talk only 'bout the style and not 'bout parts and effects and keys and stuff

i vote for the stairway thing and offer my poor guitar and piano skills for the noble cause

and please try to stay consistant on one subject and not the whole project

[educatedfilm]

I was thinking that maybe some one get's given the difficult tast of laying down the first rythem part, and then everyone contributes to it as they see fit, and then we tweak it, and then we alter the rythem etc.... Basically I'd like it to be a spontanous thing... I dont want to just
make something that has been made before...

Personally, I dont mind taking the back seat and giving the more able guitarists room to work... Like zep-rules says you might have to swallow your pride...
I dont know about Stair way... WHy dont we just go with it (as opposed to working towards something)?

[zepp_rules]

Have you guys heard dream theater's A change of Seasons. (a great song, i recommend it) anyways the track is about 22 minutes long, but it's divided into a couple sections, or movements if you want. anyways, this might work for us.

[David Gilmour]

First of all, great idea, ed!

I don't really have anything to contribute musically, given my comparatively minute guitar skills.

What I can suggest, as a bystander, is to take a look at the blues, and how they manage to have like 15 great guitarists playing one song for the solo section, each plays a solo in his turn, while the others play rhythm (sort of like the ending to "Blues Brothers 2000", with BB King, Eric Burdon, Clapton, and others).

Since this is Guitartricks, I don't think that it's a bad thing to have more guitar parts than vocal or other instruments.

I also think that it's a good idea to also break off into smaller groups, maybe 4 or 5 each, and each make up a song. Maybe they rest of us could even vote for our favourite song.

Again, great idea, ed, and I'm very interested in hearing the outcome!

[Willdridge]

I was thinking this through while sat in the common room in college (before I got home a read through these) and I thought that perhaps we should break into to smaller groups. I think to start with this would be a much more valuable experience, giving everyone a chance to familiarise themselves with the process. After a few tries I think we could look at having a try at the 12 minute, thirty musicians epic...
The other thing I was thinking was whether the groups should be people who are interested in performing particular styles or if we just pick randomly and see who ends up where and what the produces.
I'd definitely talk with Jon about making this a Guitar Tricks thing..at least mention it to him, then let us work on it a see what happens, then let him listen to the results.
I think we need to get a few things agreed and set the ball in motion so this doesn't just stay a wonderful idea. I think we're on to something very exciting and an amazing experience...look forward to working with you people!

[Christoph]

Maybe we should form two to three man "bands" depending on what style we want to do.

[Zeppelin]

in my opinion we should decide in which style we will do it
and then record the basic guitar progression, and decide which one is the best and only then decide about the whole soloing thing
i know it will be harder to do it as one big group, but i find it much more interesting to put different styles of playing together
anyway it will be easier if we will choose simple 12 bar blues progression for the begining

[James]

Keep in mind that the blues isn't every one's thing... not that I'd be opposed to it. As for talking to Jon about this... well... I don't propose we keep it a secret from him, but keep in mind he also runs guitarwar.com, which essentially does what we're planning on doing. He might not take it too kindly that we're avoiding paying the fee at guitarwar and using this site which is free for our platform to do this sort of thing. Just a thought.

[Azrael]

I would love to take part in this, but i´m afraid i´m too much involved in recording my own album right now.. i´m slowly runnin out of time..

however - if u need help with sounds - i can offer a vast library of akai samples (mostly orchestral stuff)

-=[Azrael]=-

[educatedfilm]

I've thought about the guitarwar.com situation... all I've come up with is that, we're gonna do this... wether we do this off our own sites, and our own web space, or we use his site and increase traffic, is really the subject....
I mean we dont NEED to make this a regular feature on THIS site... but I think we need to put up space/ links/ news/ info etc up somewhere... I could do this... But I'm busy all the way upto Jan 18th to really take on something major....
We dont need anything buitiful or intracet, just something that does the job....

I think that the majority oppinion is that we break up, try it in small groups at first and then get back to gether and attempt something major... i think this is a good idea, as I'm an "ok" guitarist, I dont want to go under the feet of the good guitarist, and I dont want to be held back... so maybe splitting up into groups of abillity and styles is not such a bad idea at the beging...

AS someone has already said, we do need to make this happen, instead of it just staying as an idea... Has anyone started on this yet?... What have you done? How's it going?...

I dont think we should compete though... It makes no sense, no one gets anything from winning other than become the biggest egotistical -(ahem)- on this site... this is for fun, and could lead to much more serious stuff in the future...
I've yet to talk to jon about it, I'm still wondering how to phrase my grovel... i mean question...

[Christoph]

Originally posted by James
...but keep in mind he also runs guitarwar.com, which essentially does what we're planning on doing.

GuitarWar is for people who want to compete and try to cram as many notes into a measure as they can. Although they have done collaborations, they were somewhat rare and were for competition as well.

What Ed is talking about is something totally different. I get the idea that he just wants to get a bunch of guitarists together and write a song over the internet (not for competition, but just for our own enjoyment). Am I right?

[Raskolnikov]

Personally, I like the idea of a song that goes from Jazz to funk to death metal to jazz and finally a country outro. I thrive on mixing styles around.

The reason I think breaking away into smaller groups is a good idea is because I think things will breathe better that way. "Smaller group" could mean nine people, but only four or so play on a given part of the song, the song ends up being twenty minutes (max), and there's three such "Groups." This is as opposed to everybody working on everything at once and having a forty five minute peice or a 20 minute peice, but everybody only being able to interject just a little.

I think ed mentioned starting small... this could be a good thing. Maybe a three member "Pilot" group should set up a process and a working method to get this done, iron out the kinks, and generally smooth everything out.

[James]

Sounds like we got the ball rolling. First of all, we need to decide once and for all who is in this. Let's say that the deadline for people to sign up for this is, say... this Friday? Is that ok? Then we get the list of people, group them off, and the respective groups can make their own threads for discussion of the song. If we do decide to bring this up with Jon, we might even get him to dedicate an entire forum to this group stuff, with each thread being one project.

I think we need a seperate website to post news, and the list of people and maybe eventually some cool updates on the songs and a place where we can share them once finished. I'm pretty busy these days but wouldn't mind contributing my efforts to build the page. I used to do this stuff all the time. I don't have any webspace though.

[Psycho Amram]

i suggest that someone will begin already

we need someone who's a fine guitarist (but not to much so he frightens the only "ok" guitarists among us (including me) and not too little so he bores the great ones)

for the really hard job of getting this whole thing started he will have the right to choose the style and key and if someone really dont like the style, just want to mix styles or cant get along with it he opens new group of his own style and the new groups will continue from where the prev. stopped

anyone who wants to be the first one please start workin' on it and post when you're done

[James]

I respectively disagree with Psychos plan of action, and still think the best way to do this is to compile a list of people wanting to be involved, and what their respective skills are (as outlined in my last post). I just think a little more order is required to make this a success, and completely agree with rask that smaller groups are a better idea at this point.

What do the rest of you guys think? How should we proceed?

[educatedfilm]

"What Ed is talking about is something totally different. I get the idea that he just wants to get a bunch of guitarists together and write a song over the internet (not for competition, but just for our own enjoyment). Am I right? "
Exactly!!! thank you Christoph... :)

I do agree with the piolot group idea, but who's gonna be the first ones to go?...
I do agree about a deadline, Friday sounds pretty good to me...
I dont want us to seperate out style wise, I'd like to hear a cool mix of styles (very much like Rask has suggested)... I mean how cool would that be to able to put a tape of this on in the car, and just have everyone looking at you thinking "What the F-"... as well as getting to record with musicains who prefer certain styles that you dont normally come across...

Where's Skee1?... I'd really like to hear what he has to say about this...

I was also thinking about setting a REAL date for the everyone to get together... I'm talking maybe January/Febuary time when everyone starts handing in what they've got...

What do you think?... I'd just like to say this looks quite encouraging as I started this post only a few days back and already we're on the verge of actaully getting the thing under way... :cool:... Actaully, I started this on the second of december... taht was the day before yesterday! WOW!

Who'd like to be in the poilot group?...

[Edited by educatedfilm on 12-04-2001 at 10:47 AM]

[James]

I nominate Ed for one, since it was his idea.

[zepp_rules]

I'm not a great soloist but i could definately do some of the rhythm. my stlye is mostly rock and metal. i have some pretty good riffs i can email them to people who want them. Anyways, i would like to be in, just letting you guys know.

[Willdridge]

I'm prepared to help iron out the kinks...Put my name down on any list involved with this...
I think we could have several groups, people prepared to experiment with a few different, "foreign" styles and those who want to work with similar people...that way nothing's forced on anyone, but its still open to everyone interested. I'm more than up for working with different styles (by the way!)...

[skee1]

Ok Ed i'm here!

Lay the tracks down useing drums,Bass,Keyboards.
Use what ever key you want.
Use a chord progression that everyone likes or agrees,
on plus a beat that everyone likes ect.Then add all the guitar styles to it ect.All styles would be great for,
any progression or any Beat you use.

Mark
P:S I'm in i guess.(Sounds like fun for all)
You all have great idea's so lets get it togather!
You started it ED your the Man (Big boss man ha ha)
You sure you don't want to lay some xmas tracks down,
and put the guitar styles to it!(it would work you know)

[Edited by skee1 on 12-04-2001 at 01:14 PM]

[Christoph]

Ok, count me in again.

I'm with Rasky on the jazz to funk to death metal thing. That'll be fun.

[Zeppelin]

yeah and i'll be home the whole next week since we have holiday here, so im eager to start working, but i realy do think we should plan it before actualy record anything

[James]

Ok so, so far we have:
Ed, 1
Christoph, 2
Rask, 3
Willdridge, 1
Lordatthestrings, 2
David Gilmore, 3
skee1, 1
Zep_rules, 2
Zeppelin, 3
Psycho Amram, 1
and Myself 2

and Azrael has generously given us access to his collection of Alkai samples.

I know that its not Friday yet, but we all seem eager to get going...

So in total, for now, we have 10 people who are ready to be part of the process. Say we split into three groups, each group with three and one with four? As for splitting, I say the best way would be to do it completely randomly. I put a number beside each person, so the ones are together, the twos, and the threes. Sound ok?
Or should we have two groups of five?

[educatedfilm]

HOLY CRAP!!! WE'RE READY TO GET STARTED!!! OH my God!...
It took just 2 days!... Sorry, I'm just in shock... I thought it would take ages to pick up speed... I'm a little bit busy at the mo, but I think I could maybe contribute something... :)
Azreal: will you take Mp3s?
I mean poeple shouldn't really expect a master peice on the first atempt... Infact I'm thinking about what Skee1 said, maybe do a rendition of well known christmas song (since 'tis the season)... or maybe a cover... What does everyone say?... It would be alot quicker and easier... but on the down side it may not be as much fun...

[Lordathestrings]

...so let's rock!

Unless we get some more polyphonic volounteers, Rask is going to have a lot of bass work to do.

And we have not made any decisions regarding the most imporatant thing, which is "Where's the music?

I will admit to feeling just a little bit timid about laying out the basis for a multinational musical collaboration.

Even the time signature. 4/4 is universal, but is it too basic?

[educatedfilm]

your absoultly right when you say where the music is... and I'd still like to know if anyone would be nice enough to volenteer some web space?...
What I'm getting all so excited about, is that this realy could happen, not just another one of my kooky ideas...
I dont really think we need to complicate it... someone hands in something that defines the early rythem, then you build on it, and let it flow, and maybe get with the other guys and decide whether you want a chorus or music break or a solo here or there... Do yo know what I mean?...

[Christoph]

I think it would be better to split up according to skills. What I mean is that we shouldn't have three lead guitarists in one group, three rhythm players in another, and so forth. We should try to split up so each group has a rhythm player, a lead player, and someone who knows about recording and mixing.

By the way, I have webspace. It'll just be a matter of getting it set up for anonymous ftp access.

James, you mentioned that you'd be able to build a page for this. What are your web-building skills? PHP? Graphic design?

[James]

True Christoph, allocation of people on the basis of their skills would be the wisest thing to do, but it might be cool to give people a chance to take on a niche that they usually don't tread on, no? Plus, there would be several parts of a song, wouldn't there? Like, for example you would play rhythm for a section, switch to lead, then maybe back to rhythm or maybe harmonizing. Something like that... depending on the makeup of your group.

It was a while ago, before I fell in love with the guitar, that I was a web-monkey! But I used to be pretty competent at page design and graphic creation (I own Dreamweaver and Photoshop). The technical side I never really mastered though (such as java, peril script, etc.). I volunteer to handle the web page, if it's required.

[Lordathestrings]

I agree on both points. I volounteered some 12-string rhythm because that's probably the only skill I have that has any chance to let me stand out in this distinguished company of players.

However, 12-string lies heavy on the palate as a musical main course. And I'd be disappointed if I couldn't 'get my licks in' somewhere!

[James]

Lord I'm sure your talent with the 12 string will quickly become reverred among this group of players, but if you want to contribute something else don't worry about how you'll 'rate up'! The point of this should be to allow yourself to creatively interact with other musicians, it shouldn't be a contest to see who can be the best rhythm player, lead player, etc. There's plenty of room for competition over at guitarwar. I definately don't wager that my skills will shine out over anyone elses

[Lordathestrings]

Awwww gorsh!!! blush :D

[skee1]

Originally posted by James
Lord I'm sure your talent with the 12 string will quickly become reverred among this group of players, but if you want to contribute something else don't worry about how you'll 'rate up'! The point of this should be to allow yourself to creatively interact with other musicians, it shouldn't be a contest to see who can be the best rhythm player, lead player, etc. There's plenty of room for competition over at guitarwar. I definately don't wager that my skills will shine out over anyone elses
James is right Lord i agree this should not be a,
contest or a Competition project.
Its got to be a team thing plus a fun thing.
Also trying to play to perfect also makes it ,
no fun sometimes.What i mean even me when i play out,
i make a few mestakes but i just laugh at them,
and so dos the band sometimes.(And i know i've missed,
alot of notes in my life of playing guitar and still do,
once in a while.(I think its healthy sometimes)
I do think who ever dos the mixing is going to have,
the hardest job.
Also is everyone going to send thier part ect in a,
mp3 format or will they need it converted over from wave,
to mp3 (Just wondering)?
Oh yea ED i was just kidding about the xmas tunes ,but,
i would go along with the idea if everyone wanted to,
do one.
Also are we all going to vote on some things ?
And i'd like to add if we do vote i hope no-body gets mad,
and drops out because it did'nt go thier way!
I myself will go along with anything you guys decide,
even if i don't agree with the votes.
So before we vote or if we vote i hope you all agree,
not to drop out of the project because that would be,
Sad.
Mark (more later got to go!

[zepp_rules]

why doesn't everyone list their style and skill. that why we'll have a definate list and it would be easier to group.

me:

rhoads style, metal, rock, and a little classical

i can play rhythm, i'm not a great lead but i can try if necessary.






p.s. once everyone gets their styles in, it would be good if someone could put it all into one list then post it, that would be good, and would help get us organized.

[Zeppelin]

my skills:
can play both rhythm and lead, i think i can play blues solos quite alright, but im totaly lost when talking about shredding
anyway i dont think we should split to smaller teams, at least not on the first atempt, anyway we realy should start working on a progression, so we will have a base to work with

[xprince]

Hi. I hope I'm not too late. I haven't visited forum in maybe a week and look what happened!?! If there is a chance I would like to be included in that, but I'm no expert though. I play guitar rythem and lead, mainly blues and rock. I also have a poor set of drums here and a home made mic, so I'm able to record, but I'm getting started with them. I really looks this will be good, so if there's anything I can do please let me know.

[educatedfilm]

We need web space, and we need to upload some of our stuff, so we can have an idea what we're all working with (wether we work in small groups or one big one)....
My infulences:
That a difficult one... I'm not really sure, A lot of rock some hendrix and my own experimenting...

[Christoph]

Ed, how much web space do you think we're going to need? Would twenty megs be sufficient?

James, my web design skills are graphic design, html, and javascript. If we want to set up our own message board we'd have to find someone who knows PHP or Perl.

As for guitar skills, I pretty much do anything in any style (except for country!). Rhythm, lead, and mixing. I actually try to stay away from lead playing any more, because I've turned into more of a rhythm player . . . but, there you have it.

[Edited by Christoph on 12-05-2001 at 07:36 PM]

[Lordathestrings]

I can hold my own on any style that doesn't demand extreme speed.

My personal taste leans toward bluesy jazz, with a bit of a funky twist to the rhythm... something like "Blue Collar" by BTO.

And if you haven't heard that, you guys gotta visit Canada for an extended imersion course in maple-music!

[Raskolnikov]

Maybe it's because I live so close to Quebec...
But I'll pass for now.

Anyway, here I go:
Four string, five string, and fretless bass, crappy blues leads, rythm guitar, and the occaisional dabble in drum machine programming.

As for style, I'll play anything I find interesting.

Oh, and that promised mp3 of my sometimes stellar, sometimes completely botched, but still comes through fretless bass playing.

Warning: The S-word gets used a couple of times. If you object or if you aren't allowed to listen to such language, don't click.
Standing (http://redrival.com/macboy/boccewagon/standing.mp3)

[Edited by Raskolnikov on 12-05-2001 at 09:54 PM]

[James]

Xprince, glad to have you aboard man.

I agree that before we can get this straightened out, we need to setup a webpage and get a list up of the participants and various styles. It won't take logn to set up a prelimary page as soon as we decide whereabouts to start. Christoph, it's your webspace, so I'll leave it up to you with what you want to do about it. I'm mroe then happy to help out, but if you want to do it yourself then that's cool too. As for the forum, I'm good friends with a computer-wiz who owes me a couple favors, and I'm sure we could get one set up in time.

As for skills... hmm...
I would say I'm mostly a lead guy; I'm not the greatest at playing rhythm although I do think I have a good sense of composition (know a lot of interesting chords, progressions, etc.). If I had to define my lead style, I'd say a little bit of Slash, a little bit of Santana, maybe some Vai (I'm aspiring!) and my own flavor that I've gained from listening to bands and artists such as Boston, Triumph, Al Di Meola, Randy Rhoads, David Gilmore... I also play classical guitar. I'm still strengthing my technique with the nylon string (can get 16th notes at 115bpm usin the fingers (I don't know if thats good or not)) and strengthing my music reading.

Anyways, that sums it up. If I ever get done the song I'm currently recording, I'll post it somewhere so you can get an idea of where I'm at.

[skee1]

No problems with Styles just lay down a track!
If you want i'll play Rhythm or Lead what ever you want!
Plus Christopher i'll even chicken pick some country,
for you i know you would like that ha ha.
All i need is a good beat.
I think we need a chord progression! In any style or what,
ever style you guys decide on..............

Mark

[Psycho Amram]

my style is rock and metall but i can get along with any style.
as for my skills:
i play both rythem better than lead but i like lead better. i'm no expert in any though and i cant shred a bit.
as for the piano i play Karma Police style but i play clasics too.
i have nice set of drums in my basement (Bass, Floor Tam-Tam, Dual Tam-Tams, Snare, Hi-Hat, Ride and Crash (i that says anything to anyone)) but i cant do anything with it and i have to ask my drummer guy if he's in...
anyway recording the guitar and the piano will be no problem, however the echo in my base makes it difficult too record the drums (we usually dont care even when recording... once we recorded a song that ends abruptly but you can hear clearly the HamHamHam of the echo)

[Bardsley]

I too have declined to add my own name to this ever growing list for a while, but I can't help it, I want to be in too! I play primarily rhythm stuff, and I can sing (I guess, though do we really want vocals?) I would be leaning towards simply adding the odd chord stab and rythmic stuff on acoustic or some simple swells and background chordal work with my electric. Oh, and of course an extended fourteen minute solo in which I demonstrate my superior lead work... or not.

[educatedfilm]

Christoph: yep... 20 meg should get us going just fine...
I was thinking about everyone who can just uploading their clips to their own web space, and then just sending th URL to who ever is biulding the site...

[Christoph]

So 20 megs would be ok.

What if we started a yahoo group? You get 20 megs of space and an area where you can post messages.

[James]

Sounds good... all we need is a place where we can post news, talk, etc. Doesn't have to be http://www.guitarcollab.com

[Willdridge]

Hello! Been away for a little while but better just keep my name around the lastest goings on.
Skills lie mostly in lead playing, but I can hold my own with rhythm playing. Styles are basic anything I enjoy, everything from Death Metal to Country, from fingerpicking to a little bit of disco...(yes, I do get some strange looks when messing around!)
I think someone who's prepared to should take a lead in this and start setting up things like websites and whatnot...Who's up for that?

[Psycho Amram]

hey! i know it's past Fri. but i spoke with my drummer and he's in too!

PSYCHO AMRAM (the band) IS IN!

unfortunately though he'll be able to start only in two weeks from now.

[educatedfilm]

hmmm... this seems to be slowing down...
A yahoo e-group would be good...
So are we ready to begin?
(I concent to my e-mail being used for the e-group, if you want anything officail)...

[MajinMojo]

Hey is it too late to be in. I haven't visited the forums in ages. But if you won't accept me as a musical part of this project I hope I can still offer a piece of advice.

I've tried to do something like this before over on X-E (which is a totally guitar unrelated forum) and it started OK but loses steam quickly. I noticed that nobody has said anything about recording capabilities. WHen can the music be put up?

If music doesn't come soon this thing will just start rolling backwards. In my opinion, I think the webspace should be tested, everybody's recording capaiblities should be tested (not their skill), and also instrumental variety should be tested.

Put all that up on the website for access as a sample. It doesn't necessarily have to be a song. But just lets everyone get an idea of what we are doing and get the ball rolling a little bit faster again.

[MajinMojo]

...on another note, having people bring in random recordings of themselves also gives us an ACCURATE COUNT the total musicians that are willing to respond when needed...thank you

[Lordathestrings]

All good points. I can understand people not having time to meticulously record & produce amazing contributions at this time of the year, but I think it would be good to give us some samples (please forgive that word) for us to think about.

Where should we send them? What file format? How many tracks? What have we gotten into?

[Christoph]

Ok, I just made a Yahoo e-Group.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Guitartricks/

Join up! We have twenty megs for posting stuff.


Lord, file format? Mp3 of course.

[educatedfilm]

thanks!

[James]

It's been a busy week for me, but I've by no means forgotten about this project.

good job with the yahoo thing chris. I signed myself up.

Are we still going to be doing the webpage thing? Or will this cover us?

[James]

I signed up for the guitartricks yahoo group but it says "Membership pending"... does that mean you have to approve it or something?

[zepp_rules]

i'm trying to join, but for some reason yahoo won't accept my password when i go to sign in.

[zepp_rules]

never mind, i got it to work.


i'm zepp_rules2001, two thousand other kids had my name

[MajinMojo]

Can you sign up just to be part of it even if you don't plan on playing?

[Raskolnikov]

I signed up too, I should show up as either "fiftygritbass" or "tpgpc."

[Lordathestrings]

I've signed in. It seems the usernames and passwords come out lowercase regardless of what you type in.

[Christoph]

Who is String_Dancer?

James, we can still do the web page, but let's get started with Yahoo first.

[Psycho Amram]

they wont accept my password so i cant verify my e-mail
and now after few tries they wont accept the code they sent me either!! :mad: !!

[Psycho Amram]

OK that fine now

[Zeppelin]

im zeppelin_m in the group

[Zeppelin]

ok im not
i cant get in, can someone help me please?
somehow i can only get to the home windown, though i signed in and everything...

[Christoph]

Alright Zep, you're in.

[educatedfilm]

hey guys... right, sorry If the stuff I hand in at the minute isn't really the best... that's cos It's all stuff I recorded back in January (god it seems like it was only a couple of weeks ago), which I didn't intend to do anything with anyway... But hopefully once I figure out how to fit my amp in the living room (where the pc now is), and getting a decent mic, I should be loading up some decent stuff... Why wont anything work on yahoo now any way, it's 00:46 at the minute (that's 18:46 US, roughly)... I'm guessing it's busy at this time (peak time?).... sorry I had to post this here, It's just everylink times out on yahoo...

[Zeppelin]

hey Christoph i still cant get it, every time i log on to yahoo and i go this page it tells me i can join the group, but ive done it for like 3-4 times and it doesnt work at all

[Christoph]

Zep, I don't know what to tell you. I thought you were frittybass, or whatever that was, but I haven't seen any other names under the pending list.

Make sure you're logging into the right page. Yahoo has separate points of access for email, groups, and mailing lists. If you're logging into your email, you won't be able to get to groups, and vice-versa.

Try going to groups.yahoo.com and logging in at the top right.

[James]

i'm stringdancer. Zep, I had trouble getting in at first as well... I kind of just kept on blindly trying until it worked

[Raskolnikov]

Originally posted by Zeppelin
hey Christoph i still cant get it, every time i log on to yahoo and i go this page it tells me i can join the group, but ive done it for like 3-4 times and it doesnt work at all

Fiftygritbass would be me.
I'll contribute something as soon as I figure out a good way to record stuff.

[Lordathestrings]

This post started out as a reply to a thread from schmange lamenting the loss of concept albums. I can't find the thread, now, but this sort of fits in here.

Unfortunately, MTV, MuchMusic and their ilk have 'dumbed down' the North American public to the point that someone with the attention span of a chipmunk seems scholarly.

I think Indigenous http://www.indigenousrocks.com/ has it right, even if they can't spell their own name. You can download entire, unabridged MP3 files of their songs. If you are honest enough to do so, you can pay them a dollar a song through Amazon.com

I love albums (another word that is likely to disappear soon or be corrupted into meaninglessness; it used to refer to several vinyl LPs in a single sleeve), that I can listen to uninterrupted from one end to the other.

I got a used SB Live from my father. How's that grab you; he's in his 70s, and I get his SB Live 'cause he just upgraded his system! Anyway, I'm gearing up for some home recording so I can contribute to the colaboration that educatedfilm started up. Who knows? Maybe it'll turn into a suite of music we can listen to from end-to-end, just like in 'the old days'.

[educatedfilm]

the whole thing, kinda gave out that first cry a new born gives out... then farted, and went to sleep... We Uploaded some stuff... but we're gonna have to immigrate cos Yahoo aint doing the web ring thingy no more... Thankfully Christoph is onto it... WHich I very grateful for, cos right now I'm upto my eye balls in revision (bloody Chemistry and Physics), but I'll finish on the 18th, and then I can really get down with it, sukka... I'm glad there has been a response to this... Very happy in fact... Cos I got Nine months after my exams where I'll have notthing to do.... but this has giving me summ'ing to look forward to... I really hope it does manage to do something...
Lord: are you originally from the UK? You some times drop some words which kinda look like it... like "busting yer arse"...

[Willdridge]

I'll admit I've kinda lost track of what's really going on with this project, but I'm still very much interested. I've tried getting into Yahoo! and it just hasn't worked at all... I'll keep an eye on this post and follow what goes on from here, so here's to hoping everything goes well!
Anway, hope everyone had a good Christmas and hopefully we all be posting before New Years!
(And for whoever's interested:- I'm from the UK......)
Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years all!

[Lordathestrings]

I'm 6th or 7th generation Canadian, with ancestry in the Yorkshire Dales and the Scottish lowlands. My father, and a lot of my friends, started out in the Maritimes on the east coast, and drifted west looking for work. The maritime provinces used to send fish, coal, and wood to the rest of the country, but these days, the main export is people.

Phrases like "bustin' yer arse" are still current, and recognized on the east coast, and while less common as you go westward, even here in Alberta there are enough folk from 'down East' to preserve the dialects.

Even 'Newfonese' has its adherents in the West. I salt my laguage with bits of the bastardised Irish that is spoken in Newfoundland 'just fer devilment'!

[Willdridge]

I often wonder what would happen if Britain were to say "t'hell with Europe" and just go and join some kind of alliance with the Norht Americas (U.S.A. and Canada obviously...) God know Europe screwing us for more than we deserve...I know here's neither the time or place, but just kinda need to vent this. I think there's a kinship between the UK and Canada and US that we can't always explain, or even begin to understand, but sort of helps enforce things. For example, the simply fact we can have Americans, Candians and Brits talking about who comes from where!...This is what I love about this forum, y'know?
Anyway, I digress...read the signature, most of it's true... :o) On with what really matters...

[Lordathestrings]

"Thick Fog On Channel... Continent Isolated!"

LOL :D

[James]

I'm rather fond of the maritime provinces. I live in Ontario now, and I'm mighty tired of the level of Americanization here. Things seem to be more chillaxed over there. Not to mention it is very beautifull.

[Incidents Happen]

got that right. canada is beautiful. but i cant bitch at americans because i am an american...so yeah. i went to canada a few years back, only for a few days though. ( where did i go...where did i go...) i know we went fishing alot but i cant remember what lake..?

[Raskolnikov]

Originally posted by Lordathestrings
Even 'Newfonese' has its adherents in the West. I salt my laguage with bits of the bastardised Irish that is spoken in Newfoundland 'just fer devilment'!

"That's a sin!"
"I went out wit tree of my friends..."
"DON'T TOUCH IT, IT'S LOADED!" (regarding the discovery of a slingshot by a Game Warden)
...and innumerable jokes about French Canadians

Ah yes, memories of my rather short, and definately disturbed family hailing from Newfoundland.

[James]

Originally posted by Raskolnikov
Originally posted by Lordathestrings
Even 'Newfonese' has its adherents in the West. I salt my laguage with bits of the bastardised Irish that is spoken in Newfoundland 'just fer devilment'!

"That's a sin!"
"I went out wit tree of my friends..."
"DON'T TOUCH IT, IT'S LOADED!" (regarding the discovery of a slingshot by a Game Warden)
...and innumerable jokes about French Canadians

Ah yes, memories of my rather short, and definately disturbed family hailing from Newfoundland.

Damn French Canadians... make it so we need to have French on the back of all our cereal boxes :(

[Raskolnikov]

Originally posted by James
Damn French Canadians... make it so we need to have French on the back of all our cereal boxes :(

I don't think I'd mind the French on the back of... well, everything nearly as much as I mind high beams and tailgating on I-89. That or the near-death experiences I've had trying to cross streets in Montreal.

[Lordathestrings]

There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick, and the dead! Its a real treat to ride a motorcycle down one of the freeway off-ramps, pursued by an overloaded truck whose driver is apparently unaware of the presence of a brake pedal in his vehicle.

Next year legislation will take effect that allows right turns to be made on a red light. 'Til now, Quebec has been the only province of Canada that did not allow this. Even the provincial legistlature recognized that drivers in Quebec lack the necessary discipline required to use such freedoms responsibly! I don't know what prompted the change. I predict carnage.