View Full Version : September Sweetwater Gear Review Giveaway - Boss RC-20XL Phrase Recorder
09-02-2008, 03:16 PM
This contest is sponsored by our good friends at Sweetwater.com
Check out their unique guitar gallery which shows the exact guitars they have in stock:
As I mentioned in the newsletter, Jeff here at the Guitar Tricks office is in the market for a Phrase Recorder, so he will be applying that enthusiasm to this review below.
We are going to givew this item away to a lucky newsletter reader next week.
In order to win this prize, you must "enter" the contest by posting on this thread before September 12.
Please read the rules in the next post to be sure you are eligible. Unfortunately, we can't ship this out of the U.S., so it is only open to U.S. residents.
09-02-2008, 03:17 PM
*** Sweetwater Gear Review Giveaway Contest Details ****
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On September 12th we will randomly select one winner from people who post a reply to this forum thread. Posting more than once will not increase your chances to win.
Winner will be announce in this forum thread (save your newsletter, it is the only external link to this thread).
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09-02-2008, 03:31 PM
Boss RC-20XL Phrase Recorder Review
By Jeff Obee
Back in the 1970s, Roland released the tape-based Space Echo delay, famously used by Jaco Pastorius for looping bass grooves. In the early Ď90s, Gibson and Lexicon released the Echoplex and Jamman, respectively. Slowly but surely, looping became ever more popular, with a community of looping devotees springing up all over the world- and a whole slew of looping products as well.
Boss is a sub-division of Roland, so both have been in the looping game for quite some time. The original RC-20 phrase recorder was released in 2001; the RC-20XL appeared in 2004. Although there are several new features, the main difference is that the XL has 16 minutes of sampling time onboard.
A lot is packed into a small chassis here. The rear of the unit has 1/4Ē inputs for your instrument and mic (no XLR input, unfortunately), a 1/4Ē mono output (no stereo), an aux mini jack for CD/MD/iPod input, 1/4Ē inputs for phrase shift and reverse, and an AC input (the cord is fairly long with a minimal wall wart, which is good). The phrase shift and reverse inputs are for optional pedals to control these features without bending over to the front panel; reverse is self-explanatory, and phrase shift allows you to move from track to track.
The top consists of two small pedals that perform the bulk of your looping. The right one stops recording, playback, and overdubbing; sets tap tempo; and completely deletes your last phrase if held down for two seconds. The left one enables recording; once a phrase is recorded it then allows you to switch between playback and overdub modes. If you hold this pedal down for two seconds it will either undo or restore the current phrase. Indicator lights between the pedals show you whatís going on.
Also on top are 5 knobs and six buttons. The knobs are largely for setting input and output levels; one is for switching tracks (11 tracks in all, either one-shot or looped). The buttons are for reverse playback, tap tempo and time signature, saving tracks to memory, setting Auto Start (recording starts when it detects the first note- otherwise you get a bar of pre-roll), and to access the Stop Modes. The three Stop Modes allow you to either stop a loop immediately upon pressing the right pedal, fade a loop at the end, or stop a phrase after itís played to the end.
Thereís a Quantize feature that automatically sets the end of a phrase in time, which really helps lay down a solid groove. This can be disengaged. There is no headphone jack, MIDI capability, USB port, or flash card slot.
The RC-20XL isnít the most intuitive piece of gear Iíve used straight out of the box; all the features and controls packed into it will probably have you reading the manual at first, but I was soon off and running.
I first tested the unit on itís own, then put my Zoom FX pedal in-line before the RC-20XL. The audio quality holds up quite well as you layer overdubs, which is always a good thing in a looper. One of the knobs controls the Guide volume, meaning the metronome for the tap tempo (there are eight Guide sounds to choose from). At the low end, the Guide volume didnít fade well to zero- there was a point at which the volume was either off or a bit too present for my tastes.
If you sit while you play, then bending down and reaching for certain controls isnít too big an issue. However, if you prefer to stand, itís a pain. Youíll probably shell out for the ďsold separatelyĒ footswitches, since these control track switching and reverse playback. However, itís really nice to have reverse- itís indispensable when creating soundscapes.
Creating layers of grooves, chords, and incidental rhythm bits with the Rc-20XL alone is great fun. However, if youíre just using the usual timbre of your instrument itís easy for things to start blending too much. When I put the Zoom pedal into the mix, things started to sparkle. Playing chords with chorusing, incidental parts with wah-wah, and so forth helped everything stand out in the mix.
After playing with a bunch of groove material, I experimented with a soundscape. Auto Start and One-Shot (on any track) was helpful here as I randomly improvised sound effects and lines. I then tried a jazz tune (All The Things You Are), laying down the bass line first, then the chords, then soloing over the top. I have to say, this is a great way to hone your jazz chops. And speaking of honing chops, you can also slow the audio down to 75% speed and stay at the original pitch.
The RC-20XL is great for practicing, setting up layers of groove oriented material, or creating fairly complex atmospheric pieces. It retails for $362.50, but the Sweetwater price is around $260, so itís very reasonably priced for what it is. I would suggest getting the footswitches (if you donít have them already).
My wish list would include a headphone jack, MIDI clock for synching to other sound modules, an XLR input, USB capability, and some sort of memory card slot. But, thereís just not room- the idea behind a product like this is to fill the gap between the small and simple stomp box R-20 loop pedal, and the large seven-pedal full-featured RC-50. Folks into looping are always crying out for more features, so inevitably Boss had to squeeze as much as they could into a small-ish sized chassis to make it attractive at this price point.
The main competition here is Digitechís JamMan, which has an XLR input, USB and a flash slot- but no headphone jack, MIDI or reverse playback. Thereís always something. The bottom line is this: the RC-20XL has a lot of very useful features, sounds terrific, itís portable and built like a tank, andÖ itís a whole lot of serious fun.
09-02-2008, 03:39 PM
Thanks for reviewing this. You review is thorough enough for me to see that I might have to seriously sit down with one of these in a store, if I can find one in Australia, before purchasing it. I have been wanting one of these for a long time now but I can see now that it might not be as simple as I thought it would be.. a bit like watching a professional with a tremolo and then trying it yourself. It takes time to learn how to use it effectively. At least this review has given some more things to think about.
09-02-2008, 09:23 PM
That looks like a fun unit. Count me in. Thanks!
09-03-2008, 12:28 PM
Nice review, it is an interesting device.
09-05-2008, 05:27 AM
Sweetwater's Boss RC-20XL Phrase Recorder looks to be a cool device and I sure would like to win it. I hope this reply suffices as an entry to the sweepstakes. Thanx from Jim-2gross4u
09-05-2008, 12:17 PM
Interesting piece of equipement. Looks like it would be a lot of fun. Not sure if this exists because I have not searched for it but it would be nice if GT had a class on how to use a looper.
09-05-2008, 12:52 PM
I'll take one.
09-05-2008, 01:08 PM
my boss loves Sweetwater and is a regular customer :D
this product looks very cool
09-05-2008, 01:18 PM
I'm learning a lot just from the reviews!. Thanks for these and of course the lessons
09-05-2008, 02:16 PM
Great review... I'm sure with time and use it would be a lot of fun.
09-05-2008, 02:20 PM
Thanks for reviewing this unit.
Sounds like a great piece of gear to own. :cool:
09-05-2008, 03:17 PM
I've had a chance to play with one of these.
There exists unlimited potential in a device like this.
Layered solos are amazing.
09-05-2008, 03:20 PM
Thanks for the review.
It would be awesome to own one of these.
09-05-2008, 03:25 PM
I am posting in this thread.
I'd love to pick up one of these pedals and do some crazy Gary Lucas-type stuff with it. So, Sweetwater, if you're trying to think of a good Christmas gift for me...HINT HINT! ;)
09-05-2008, 03:32 PM
My son just bought the RC-20XL and loves it. He's doing some solo acoustic stuff, so it's very helpful for him. Please count me in, I could find plenty of gigging uses for this thing! :) Thanks and best wishes,
Bill Franco (aka "ZenGugs")
09-05-2008, 03:46 PM
Looks like a great piece of equipment. I'd like to add it to my collection!
09-05-2008, 03:52 PM
great review! this would be the perfect addition to our band- we love our loops!!!
09-05-2008, 03:54 PM
Sweet...what a ton o fun that would be
09-05-2008, 03:56 PM
Thanks for the review. :)
This sounds like a good tool for all level of guitar players. I wouldn't mind having one at all!
09-05-2008, 04:00 PM
Looks like that would be lots of fun to play with. Thanks for another great review and contest.
09-05-2008, 04:28 PM
09-05-2008, 04:31 PM
09-05-2008, 04:54 PM
Seems like a nice recording device. Would be fun to use.
09-05-2008, 04:57 PM
looks like a really cool pedal i'd love to say belongs to me. love to give it a try send it my way, thanks for the review.
09-05-2008, 05:10 PM
Love to have one of these!
09-05-2008, 05:22 PM
sounds cool count me in
09-05-2008, 05:34 PM
This is a great addition to the BOSS lineup. Put me down for one!
09-05-2008, 05:37 PM
I just recently found this website, Guitartricks.com, and I am really impressed. This being the first newsletter/review sure has me looking forward to the 1st and 3rd Friday of every month. This review is very user friendly and isn't laid out in some complicated, hard to understand way. I have used delays but never owned a "phase recorder" or looping device. I would so love to win this one!! I am helping my nine yr old daughter learn to play and it would be an awesome learning tool for both of us! (I've been playing and teaching for many, many years) too many to mention! Thanks for such an awesome website and review of this product.
09-05-2008, 06:43 PM
That is sweet. Enter me!
09-05-2008, 07:58 PM
Based on your review, the Boss RC-20XL Phase Recorder may be what I have been looking for when playing at home. Because I usually am playing alone, the Phase Recorder would allow me to loop my riffs and get a fuller "band" sound. Thanks for the great giveaway. Please throw my name in the hat!
09-05-2008, 08:45 PM
Count me in!
09-05-2008, 09:06 PM
I would love to win this.
Pick me, pick me.
09-05-2008, 09:45 PM
Sounds like a pretty cool device to play around with. I've never heard of it before. Thanks for the review!
09-05-2008, 10:03 PM
I'm an old school guitar player. The last time I played guitar in a band I had a line of single effects units that would rival Alex Lifeson! This Boss unit looks confusing, but it's what I've been very interested in for some time now. I'm definately going to have to check one out.
09-05-2008, 10:57 PM
09-05-2008, 11:14 PM
looks good for the price!
09-05-2008, 11:32 PM
Looping is essential for a solo player.
09-06-2008, 12:29 AM
I'm in free stuff Yeah!!!
09-06-2008, 02:50 AM
I used to have an old Fender tape echo, back in the 70's.
This sounds like a neat unit, and would be fun to try it out.
What a great gear giveaway.
09-06-2008, 07:17 AM
A line from the Maryland Lottery ... I'd like to win that too! :D
09-06-2008, 07:30 AM
I could certainly put it to use! I'd like to throw my name in the hat for a chance to win it!
09-06-2008, 09:49 AM
I have been looking at loopers and phrase recorders for several weeks now and this one looks like a good one at a good price.
09-06-2008, 10:14 AM
This would be a really cool addition to my effects gear. I have always liked Roland gear. Hope I win!!! :)
09-06-2008, 06:15 PM
Pretty good for learning phrases...I wish it had an Compact Flash and headphone jack.
09-06-2008, 08:13 PM
Thanks for writing such a thorough review. This sounds like it would come in handy for writing/practicing and the price is definitely right. My 15 year old son is starting to get the itch to write his own compositions and this would make a fantastic Christmas present for him.
Looking forward to checking out more reviews as a new member of Guitar Tricks. Thanks again! :)
09-07-2008, 10:45 AM
First off i would like to say this sight rocks . I'm a beginner here and i really havn't learned how to get around everything here yet and i'm not even sure what a thread is or if i'm doing this right but , i know i soon will thanx and good luck to everyone that has entered the contest and learning the guitar . DestinysChild
09-07-2008, 06:20 PM
Good review. Count me in. You can never have too much equipment. Have a good one.
09-07-2008, 07:10 PM
I'd definitely like to have that for a performance.
09-07-2008, 08:48 PM
Count me in ;)
09-07-2008, 11:14 PM
Nice Review, Count Me In For The Giveaway
09-08-2008, 09:00 AM
Thanks for the review!
09-08-2008, 12:24 PM
Cool review. I would love to sit down and hack away at it. Hope to win!
09-08-2008, 01:21 PM
Like previous reviews, this one is very helpful. I may not be ready to utilize a looper, but knowing what it is and how it works at least gives me an idea of what's out in the marketplace. It would be very cool to play around with.
09-08-2008, 11:31 PM
:cool: I love gadgets like this. I hope I am the lucky winner. I am a beginner and I am looking for a way to broaden my output capabilities. Thanks Guitar Tricks for the great opportunity.
09-09-2008, 07:38 PM
Thanks for the review.
09-10-2008, 04:04 PM
Count me in too! Good luck guys :)
09-10-2008, 04:24 PM
Looks like fun. Count me in.
09-11-2008, 12:15 PM
Great review. Looking forward to using the lessons on this site.
09-11-2008, 06:19 PM
Awesome reveiw, keep up the good work. Thanks to GT and Sweetwater!
09-11-2008, 06:34 PM
looks cool guys, nice review.
you can count me in :)
09-12-2008, 07:40 AM
nice review, i saw my friend use one of these to record an entire song on stage during a talent show by layering vox, guitar, beat boxing, etc...and i have been wanting to get one
09-12-2008, 04:41 PM
And the winner is........
Please contact us through the site contact form to arrange delivery:
Good luck to everybody next month!
09-19-2008, 01:26 PM
Thanks to GT and Sweetwater, for this...sign me up :)
09-19-2008, 01:45 PM
Sounds cool. thanks for the review.
09-19-2008, 03:08 PM
This is a great idea to give away gear that has a detailed review.
09-20-2008, 10:35 AM
This looks like a nice unit. I recently purchased a BOSS Micro BR trying to acheive some of the same things, but have not had the opportunity to sit down with it and learn how to use all of its features. This unit seems like it would better suit my needs... or perhaps a combination of both!
09-22-2008, 12:34 PM
i hope this counts as my entry because i want this sooo bad!!
09-22-2008, 12:47 PM
Looks like a lot of fun can be had with this baby!! :D
09-22-2008, 10:19 PM
I would love to have one to add to my gear! But, sadly, I don't think I've ever "won" anything in my life. Still, it'd be a nice thing to set some money aside and get. :)
09-23-2008, 11:27 AM
seems its a pretty neat gadget..
09-24-2008, 12:03 PM
That would sure be a nice addition to the equipment I'm using now!! :eek: :D
09-25-2008, 11:16 AM
I'll take one.
I'll take two
09-26-2008, 04:20 PM
Count me in for the drawing! Thanks.
10-03-2008, 12:19 PM
looks like that's just what i need now;call me when i win please. :cool:
10-04-2008, 06:03 PM
This contest ended September 12th. I am not sure why people keep entering the contest (it's too late, unfortunately).
There is a new contest on the first Friday of every month, you should enter the new one instead.
I am closing this thread to prevent further confusion.
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