weight set?

[pure]

Ok this has nothing to do with guitar. I had an alright track season this year, and I'm trying to decide between buying a weight set / setting up a cheap ghetto rig (depending on how much it will cost me) to help train train for track season next spring

or

buying a good quality digital camera which will greatly help with my art work (Its not silly, I'm a very good drawer/painter and i'm not just doing some lame arts and crafts, this is serious business that I sometimes get paid good money for =D)


I can spend around $350, probably up to $400..

You guys have always been trustworthy.. there's bound to be somebody here with an answer.. So my question is, what kind of weights can I get for that amount of money? I plan on doing full-body heavy lifting to improve my athleticism, not just the upper or not just the lower body so i'll need to be able to work my full body with whatever I buy

[BrokenJera]

this is just my opinion but save most of your money and get a medicin ball and a few bungy chords. try running with a partner and toss the ball back and forth theres a ton of other things you can do with it. the bungy chords are for tying yourself to something and trying to run against them.

but thats just me. you could also go camping any where above 12k feet for a couple weeks and trying to run up and down the hills.

[pure]

sounds like a good ghetto set-up at first and i appreciate the reply but i don't see a way for me to constantly increase the intensity with a single-resistance bungy cord and a medicine ball. it feels as though i'll get to a point where i won't be able to increase any more variables- such as speed and weight- to increase the intensity

I guess i'll make it clear that I'm into sprints and middle distance (max 800m) so I'll need to do some pretty intense exercises and lift heavy loads. If I could find some variable-resistance bungy cords or variable-weight medicine balls i'd probably try it.

[BrokenJera]

there is always a bag of sand.

[hunter60]

Weight sets are the most common thing that people buy and sell quickly. You can find a good weight set in the used section of the paper and save yourself a ton of cash. A good set of ankle weights to wear when you're not training will do more for you than you may think. There's a lot to be said for general resistence training with even a small set of weights to use to increase load.

Running stadium steps is one of the most intense ways to build a power jump from the blocks for sprints and interval training will help for the middle distance stuff.

I would also recommend a Tae Kwon Do class. Since it uses such intense kicking techniques, you will build up leg strength very quickly. Plus you get to learn something that may be useful to you at some time in your life.

Just a few thoughts.

[Benoit]

Try to do a search on circuit training.

Less weight is needed and I've seen guys from different sports convert to this type of training sessions.

[Silimtao]

Have any municipal gyms in your area? They're often very cheap...anywhere from $25-$100 for a year. You may not have the convenience of working out in your own home, but it may be a cheap alternative (and you may have some left over cash for the camera.)

I don't like ankle weights, as they can stress your knee joints. I know it's not cool to bash another art, but of all martial arts, I probably dislike TKD the most. I've seen too many groin injuries from the intensive stretching; not good for a runner, I'm sure you know. I've been involved in martial arts for over 30 years; not that TKD has no value, I just think there's more effective arts out there (and possibly cheaper for the dues.)

You sure you want to lift heavy? The extra bulk can actually slow you down. Good luck.

[hunter60]

Have any municipal gyms in your area? They're often very cheap...anywhere from $25-$100 for a year. You may not have the convenience of working out in your own home, but it may be a cheap alternative (and you may have some left over cash for the camera.)

I don't like ankle weights, as they can stress your knee joints. I know it's not cool to bash another art, but of all martial arts, I probably dislike TKD the most. I've seen too many groin injuries from the intensive stretching; not good for a runner, I'm sure you know. I've been involved in martial arts for over 30 years; not that TKD has no value, I just think there's more effective arts out there (and possibly cheaper for the dues.)

You sure you want to lift heavy? The extra bulk can actually slow you down. Good luck.

There are plenty of groin injuries from overly agressive stretching to be sure but I have seen the very same in football, track and baseball. To each his own about what arts are more effective. It's solely up to individual. I have fought in tournaments against folks from a variety of arts. Each has its strength and weakness. I only advised TKD as it has been my art for ten years and the increased leg strength I developed has helped me run and complete 4 full marathons.

Each person needs to find what works for them. I am a short, somewhat muscular person. TKD because of it's use of the high kicking helps me when I go up against someone taller who has a natural reach advantage. But again, that's me. To each his own.

[Silimtao]

Heya Hunter,

Apologies if it seemed like I was bashing TKD. It's just that I had a lot of students that came from TKD, and saw too many groin injuries. I'm a Wing Chun guy myself, but cross trained in a bunch of others.

Again, humble apologies.

[Freetime]

U can't afford the equipment to do what you want to do. If you're wanting to do squats, bench, and lift free weights you'll have to spend 3 grand +. Just get a gym membership.

[Kevin Taylor]

Grab a couple of ugly fat chicks off the street.
Strap them to your legs and walk around with them wherever you go.
For your arms.... use midgets... (or small people as they preferred to be called)

For other purposes, a short midget girl with a round mouth and a flat head to rest your bear on.


... ok... somebody's gonna ban me. :)

[hunter60]

Heya Hunter,

Apologies if it seemed like I was bashing TKD. It's just that I had a lot of students that came from TKD, and saw too many groin injuries. I'm a Wing Chun guy myself, but cross trained in a bunch of others.

Again, humble apologies.

No problem. I have always been a major fan of Wing Chun. It's a beautiful and rather deadly art. As a matter of fact, one of the worst beatings I ever took when I was active in competition was from a Wing Chung artist. He was amazing.

[Silimtao]

No problem.Thanks for not taking it the wrong way. It's cool to meet another player into MA.

:::bows in respect:::

[Silimtao]

Kevin, when a fat chick kicks your butt, or a little person punches ya in the groin, don't come crying to us! :eek:

[BrokenJera]

wing chun and tkd are both great arts both are powerful and with the right teachers can train you in how to be stong beyond muscles (i do mean qi). but if you really want to become strong and learn how to use you body, start learning jujitsu. you will train the smallest muscles in your body. you will learn that the position of your body (even in running) can dictate where and how much power you have. with the right teacher ofcourse.


i know this sounds silly but have you looked into the 'total gym' you know the one the chuk norris is playing with in the middle of the night? i used to have one a they do work. i think they even sell one that you can add weights too.

[pure]

hah, you guys had some really good answers. I didn't think I'd return to have this much of a response.

Well the camera can wait about 2 more months. I also have negotiated another commission that'll get me about $90 when completed, so that'll go into this.

someone asked if more muscle will slow me down. if it gets to a point where i'm a better shot-putter than I am a runner, then I guess the muscle is slowing me down, but i'm not there yet =D.

I'm actually a kenyan-born person. I know, that must mean I'm a good distance runner. and I could be. the first time I ran the 800 i had a good placement. but I really want to pursue the 400m as my main event though. to do better in the 400, my teammates agree I should increase my strength by the next track season

sooo, heavy lifting it is lol.

Ok, we don't have any YMCAs and stuff but we have a bailey's powerhouse gym and its pretty expensive.

I read that people sell training equipment often. Are there any common places where used equipment is sold?

Also a cheap ghetto rig is not out of the question. I can only imagine all the things i can do with a playground.. too bad they tore em down round here, hah

oh total gym? i might have, but i probably didn't take it seriously. wasn't norris also into bowflex?

[Silimtao]

sooo, heavy lifting it is lol.

oh total gym? i might have, but i probably didn't take it seriously. wasn't norris also into bowflex?
I'm no expert in training for running, but I'd think heavy lifting may do more harm than good. What's your running coach say?

I'd think strengthening for explosiveness would be helpful to get out of the blocks. Ever look into plyometrics?

As for the total gym, my sister has one, and I was pretty surprised. you're not going to get bulked up, but you'll get a a pretty good workout. The bowflex is cool, but you need a fair amount of space.

You have craigslist.com where you are? That's a great place to find cheap anything, especially gym equipment. I think you should speak to your running coach for advice. It's possible you may only need a coupla dumbells and learn how to do some lunges and squats in different ways.

[Superhuman]

Haven't read all the other replies but I would only go with the weights if I had no access to a proper gym. If you have access to a gym with free weigths, rack and smith machines then just go there - its a lot safer than training at home. Problem with weight training at home is that you max out the weights pretty quickly and then you get into the type of weight you need someone to spot for you. Eg, I used to train at home with a set of 50Kg weights of a crappy little bench but after a few months in a proper gym with a training partner I got that up to 120kg which is something I would never attempt at home - one slip means death at that weight, even 50Kg can kill you if you drop it on your neck or head. At home you are also more liable to injure your back and joints because there won't be an instructor or training partner there to keep your form in check. I'm talking from experience, I have back, neck, knee and shoulder injuries from poor training habits over the years combined with some serious punishment from martial arts.

Also, it has been clinically proven that weight training will improve your cardio to a greater degree than running, swimming or cycling alone. Also, you will get the benefits of added bone density (to protect against brittle bones), stronger ligaments and tendons... and a ripped physique! Just stay away from creatine and all of those BS performance enhancing supplements - they are a waste of money and mostly bad for your health in the long run.

[Superhuman]

There are plenty of groin injuries from overly agressive stretching to be sure but I have seen the very same in football, track and baseball. To each his own about what arts are more effective. It's solely up to individual. I have fought in tournaments against folks from a variety of arts. Each has its strength and weakness. I only advised TKD as it has been my art for ten years and the increased leg strength I developed has helped me run and complete 4 full marathons.

Each person needs to find what works for them. I am a short, somewhat muscular person. TKD because of it's use of the high kicking helps me when I go up against someone taller who has a natural reach advantage. But again, that's me. To each his own.

I never realy liked TKD either as a truly effective fighting system simply because it is overly technique based and disregards the modern fighting techniques of a well trained opponent. Then again, that goes for most traditional arts - karate included. TKD and other traditional styles are excellent for fitness and mental discipline though (TKD is particularly good for flexibility acrobatic kicks but you can't beat a solid shin to the side of the thigh at the end of the day :eek: ).
For anyone interested, I fought in the universities open in the Tokyo Budokan back in 1995 - it was mostly Muai Thai but there were also some Shorinji Kenpo guys there too. I was one of the only heavy weights so I was lucky to get away with a medal from two fights and a broken nose. It was crazy though, they had guys scrub the blood off the canvas in between bouts. Needless to say I only did it the once!
Then I got into MMA and trained at Kiyoshi Tamura's U-File Camp (Rings Japan champ and Pride fighter) all the time training in Budo taijutsu (under Ishizuka when I was in Japan and Brian McCarthy in Dublin). The Pride fighter was the most dangerous guy I trained with but the traditional arts were the most fulfilling in terms of a life path for health, outlook and philosophy.
The thing I've learnt in 20 years of training is that there is no one best style but there are common threads that can be utilised depending on body type, speed and your oponents qualities. A great UFC fighter I recently saw that mixed his traditional karate with jujitsu and MMA is Ueda Machida - very impressive. Anyhoo - sorry for hijacking the thread, I always love to talk martial arts!

[BrokenJera]

there is always jeet kun do

the total gym is a funny thing.

you use your bodys weight as resistance so you do max out very fast. but you can build lean muscle very fast and i havent found any better other than hanging up side down and doing sit up and back extension for training your core. there is also no better warm up, streching and cooldown streching machine out there for this money. if you need work on your groin, hip flexors abductors minor muscle groups in your back shoulders chest neck and legs, this is the way to go.

if you have sportsmart( i think there are under a different name now) they might have some to try.

my neighbor has a boflex and he paid about $1500 for it

[Superhuman]

there is always jeet kun do


Always wanted to practice JKD... got all Lee's books, facinating stuff... you ever train in it?

[pure]

okay I don't mind the thread-hijaking, you're still being helpful

anyways yeah a gym is safer and I know i can push my limits there, but I'm the kind of person who doesn't like training in packed places. its also inconvenient when the machine I need to use is occupied.

I won't be doing any type of exercise that may compromise my head or neck.

and don't get me wrong, strength training is not all that I will do to prepare for track. I only plan to lift heavy weights until around november, and then I will begin conditioning again for the next spring. thats why i'm looking to gain as much strength and size as possible, because when I start conditioning I cannot strength train anymore. its all going to be straight running and whatever the coach makes me do from there on. I've tried strength training during track season, but strength training while doing intense running did not work well for me.

sprinters are generally the most muscular runners anyways. they're not HUGE like professional bodybuilders but the extra muscle helps with their speed


i hope to explain this in an equation..

power = force x displacement = kg*m2/s2

basically the more powerful you are, the heavier the load that you can carry, or the quicker pace in which a load can be carried.

therefore, if i train my body to carry a heavier load at the same pace than the load i currently carry (making myself more powerful), then my body will be able to move faster when the load is removed from my body.

[Silimtao]

Always wanted to practice JKD... got all Lee's books, facinating stuff... you ever train in it?
JKD is really more of a philosophy of fighting than an art in and of itself. I know plenty of JKD "instructors" that don't even get this- they just show a bunch of techniques and say, "this is JKD". Bruce Lee really wanted to move away from classical/traditional arts, recognizing there was no perfect art. He's often thought of the godfather of mma, as he mixed the best of other arts into his style of fighting. The JKD philosophy is as much mental as it is physical.

Yeah, this thread has really taken a left turn, lol. But it's cool to see guitarists with other passions, especially MA, my other lifetime passion.

I saw the Machida fight and was pretty impressed. He didn't seem intimidated at all.

One of my favorite mma fighters is BJ Penn; I think his grappling skills are amazing. I was disappointed in his last match when he fought...Sherk(?). It was just a boxing match. I like to watch mma to see grappling, being that's not a strong point of mine. My nephew is a blue belt in bjj under Renzo Gracie and has shown me some cool moves. But still, in the street, I don't want to go to the ground. Strangely, in my last street altercation, I just got the guy in a fingerlock, cranked and brought him to his knees. Maybe it's a sign of maturity... :eek:

[BrokenJera]

i have seen jkd in action but i always liked small circle jujitsu more than heavy striking arts. (i have broke my right arm twice in my life and it sucks so i do strike much). if i remember my schooling in the combat arts, lees philosphy for jeet kun do was to be formless, while most arts rely on forms and 'katas' of one move always follows the next jkd was an idea that said the fighter should adapt his techs to the needs of the moment. but i could be wrong. anyway

the time i did see jkd is action is when i was in high school. we were in the dojo at lunch messing around with the foot pads and gloves. one fighter (the big guy) was a tkd said hes been doing it since he was a kid. the jkd guy was a little smaller, but was basicly mma he know arts from all over. and been doing jkd for a few years. the tkd guy started with the heavy kicks and 'katas' of tkd and basicly got put on his ass every 2 seconds by the jkd guy, who basicly just used strikes and throws. and thats it.

pure:

if you want to add bulk fast you might consider getting some militay training manuals. there might not bee any direct training you can use from them, but you might get some ideas on a 'bootcamp' sytle training regime.

[Silimtao]

therefore, if i train my body to carry a heavier load at the same pace than the load i currently carry (making myself more powerful), then my body will be able to move faster when the load is removed from my body.Well, as I've said, I'm no expert in training for running, but I hope you can talk to the right kind of trainer to instruct you on exactly which muscles to train. What if you overtrain your quads for example?

Yeah, I've noticed sprinters are generally pretty heavily muscled; guess there's a reason for that.

Gonna train your forearms? Wonder how that's going to affect your guitar playing ;)

[Silimtao]

i have seen jkd in action but i always liked small circle jujitsu more than heavy striking arts. (i have broke my right arm twice in my life and it sucks so i do strike much). if i remember my schooling in the combat arts, lees philosphy for jeet kun do was to be formless, while most arts rely on forms and 'katas' of one move always follows the next jkd was an idea that said the fighter should adapt his techs to the needs of the moment. but i could be wrong. I learned the the finger-lock from a Wally Jay vid on small circle JJ.

I'd say your description of JKD is pretty spot on, imo.

[BrokenJera]

the person i learned some scjj from is a direct student of wally jay did some trining with bruce leee and placed 2nd as a nation champion but missed the olympics cause a torn rotater cuff in his shoulder.


i always thought sprinters we so muscled because they were like boxers, trying to keep their weight down as much as possible.

[pure]

i always thought sprinters we so muscled because they were like boxers, trying to keep their weight down as much as possible.

you could be correct about that.. I don't know how olympic runners are trained but i'm sure there's some scientific method behind their training where body weight is accounted for. but i'm also sure that those people are cut from a different cloth and the way they're trained might not even work for my skill level.

well anyways, the difficult part will be figuring out which muscles to train and finding a balance and keeping that balance. My sister has a bunch of anatomy cds so I could search for the functions of each individual skeletal muscle and figure out which muscles are responsible for which parts of running... or I could just train my whole body and see what kind of improvements that yields. and the good thing about heavy weight lifting is that I'll get too sore to overtrain.

The boot camp handbooks sound interesting. They may be what I need. I wonder if I can get some online

[Silimtao]

Well, to get back a bit on topic, check out these google hits:
http://www.google.com/search?q=weight+lifting+for+sprint+running&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

All this talk about working out and martial arts made me want to workout, but I've decided to lay down until the feeling went away....

[Superhuman]

JKD is really more of a philosophy of fighting than an art in and of itself. I know plenty of JKD "instructors" that don't even get this- they just show a bunch of techniques and say, "this is JKD". Bruce Lee really wanted to move away from classical/traditional arts, recognizing there was no perfect art. He's often thought of the godfather of mma, as he mixed the best of other arts into his style of fighting. The JKD philosophy is as much mental as it is physical.



I agree 100% there, it helps to get concept if you already have experience in a few different styles including some form of MMA. The Tao of Jeet Kun Do is a great book, Lee always has been one of my life time heroes - defeinitely the father of MMA. Another more ancient swordsman with a similar formless approach who was unbeatable in his day was Miyamoto Mushashi - author of the "Go Rin no Sho" (book of 5 rings). Worth checking out if you havent done so already.

I've had the same 'instructors' experience too. The budo taijutsu that I do is more commonly called ninjutsu but the reality is that pure ninjutsu is not thaught anywhere anymore, yet you see loads of "instructors" and "experts" guffing on about a whole load of nonsense all over the internet. The dojo I trained in was just a class room in a kids school in the middle of the country side. Tiled floor with no tatami mats so you had to get your rolls, breakfalls and handsprings pretty good pretty quick :eek: That said, the 'students' were all 4th degree black belt up to Ishizuka sensei who was 10th degree. It was an amazing experience, totally raw training. I never got injured there in over 5 years compared to the numerous broken bones, hyper extensions and sprains I got training in Ireland - kick boxing and MMA were different though, permanent split lip and black eye syndrome :p . The grand masters dojo was a different place all together, very cool but also had a hint of 'marketing' behind it.

Re BJ Pen, he's a great grappler always interesting to watch but I agree the Sherk fight wasn't a showcase. Grappling in MMA is a bit of a strange one, very effective but in the real world not that great. Before I sign off from waffling on this thread, my favourite MMA fighters are probably Mirko Crocop, Ueda Machida, Kazushi Sakuraba and Antonio Inoki (from the days of yore). Back to work!

[ajt178]

Weight sets are the most common thing that people buy and sell quickly. You can find a good weight set in the used section of the paper and save yourself a ton of cash. A good set of ankle weights to wear when you're not training will do more for you than you may think. There's a lot to be said for general resistence training with even a small set of weights to use to increase load.

Running stadium steps is one of the most intense ways to build a power jump from the blocks for sprints and interval training will help for the middle distance stuff.

I would also recommend a Tae Kwon Do class. Since it uses such intense kicking techniques, you will build up leg strength very quickly. Plus you get to learn something that may be useful to you at some time in your life.

Just a few thoughts.

thats true, i always see blowflexes and stuff at flea markets for a few hundred bucks....you could also try craigslist.

[pure]

hmm i was texting a friend yesterday..

he was a senior this year who did like 200, 100m sprints for his school.. i started askin him 4 advice yesterday and when i started askin him about bulkin up and workin out he said he could help me train.. he goes to the gym so ima see how many times i can go with him..

I'd get a membership but the rates are crazy.. like ~$130 down and about $30 due per month for each of their plans (monthly, 1 year, 2 year).. I wouldn't be surprised if they charged me alot of cash to enter with him

I also have a neighbor with some weights and my friend goes over to his house to work out.. i know he has a bench, which won't be very useful for leg training, but his weights go up to like 200 something so i hope he doesn't only have a bench

[Kevin Taylor]

Wang Chung

[hunter60]

Wang Chung

"Everybody have fun tonight...everybody wang chung tonight...." :D

[Silimtao]

Wang Chung:::sigh::::if I only got a nickel for everytime that's been said....

May all the women you sleep with be morbidly obese little people! :p

I forgot to add ugly....

[Silimtao]

"Go Rin no Sho" (book of 5 rings). Worth checking out if you havent done so already. Yeah, cool book, along with the Art of War, and another book I like that's not strictly about MA is...Zen and The Martial Arts I think by Joe Hyams. I go back to them every couple of years.

"also had a hint of 'marketing' behind it.Unfortunately in the west, I guess for schools to stay open, they have to "market". Traditionally, the Chinese martial arts don't rank (anymore- supposedly at one time there was ranking). More and more, Chinese schools now rank. My first Wing Chun instructor started ranking- and charged for it. I had already been his assistant instructor for a couple of years and refused. Funny story behind this- as I had already learned as much as I could from this guy and he was just using me to help run his school, sometimes I'd take a break for a month or two then come back to a new crop of students. He'd always like to show off, so he'd have me spar 4 guys (full contact, only mouth guard) to tire me out, then for the finishing finale, he'd like to spar me and kick the crap out of me. As was protocol when we sparred, if someone got a good shot in, we'd acknowledge it, then break and start over again. Well, for 3 weeks running, he'd have me spar a bunch of guys and pound the hell out of me without breaking or acknowledging my shots. I had taken an intermediate grappling class with Royce Gracie, and the only thing I really learned of value was how to apply a rear naked choke. Well, in the last sparring match, my instructor was trying to pound me again; there's a move in WC where you simultaneously block a punch, then with the other hand grab above the elbow above the striking hand and pull in to spin the guy around. So I did that and had his back. Soon as I had his back, I took him to the ground and got him in the choke- which I had done in other sparring matches, but he'd pop up and cold-**** me. This time, while in the choke, I didn't release him as I did before, and he was trying to fight his way out but he wasn't going anywhere. I said, "tap or die". He was slowly going to sleep and he tapped. All these newbie students thought I was a beginner also, because I didn't have any stripes on my sash for those he promoted, so they thought I was a beginner also. What's funny about it is, he ultimately took up grappling and "created" what he calls "Integrative Wing Chun". If you google his site, most of what's there is absolute BS. It may not sound cool to bash your former Sifu, but this guy really was out to hurt you. Later, I was lucky enough to train privately with a first generation student of Duncan Leung, a disciple of Yip Man. Man, he took my WC to level I only dreamed about. I was "awarded" the title of Sifu- but I'm nowhere near the level of my last instructor, and I refuse to have any student address me as such. OK, I know I"m blathering.

" Grappling in MMA is a bit of a strange one, very effective but in the real world not that great. Before I sign off from waffling on this thread, my favourite MMA fighters are probably Mirko Crocop, Ueda Machida, Kazushi Sakuraba and Antonio Inoki (from the days of yore). Back to work!I've had more than my share of debates with mma practitioners. mma as done in the octagon is a sport with rules. They're aren't any on the street. I don't like to train for sport, as that puts you in a certain mind-set. If I get attacked on the street, I don't want to think, "oh, I can't punch him in the throat", which is generally my first line of defense. I don't care how big someone is, a shot to the throat puts 'em down

I'm not a die-hard UFC fan, but I was impressed with Machida and Sakuraba also. Looking forward to what I think is the finale of the UFC tonight.

[www trade9 net]

i think you should have second think about how to spend your money!!!

[pure]

i think you should have second think about how to spend your money!!!

people spend more cash on guitars.. I don't see a difference between buying a guitar and buying a set of weights..

they're both things that take time and commitment to get better on, and you become a more disciplined person the more you use it.. they both frustrate the hell out of you when you try to do something over and over but just can't.. and as you improve or get tired of one thing, you wanna try different things.. it all depends on how you look at it.. some say investing in the hobby is a waste of money.. but you know its something you want to do.

[hunter60]

people spend more cash on guitars.. I don't see a difference between buying a guitar and buying a set of weights..

they're both things that take time and commitment to get better on, and you become a more disciplined person the more you use it.. they both frustrate the hell out of you when you try to do something over and over but just can't.. and as you improve or get tired of one thing, you wanna try different things.. it all depends on how you look at it.. some say investing in the hobby is a waste of money.. but you know its something you want to do.

Love drawing the parrallels between weight lifting and playing guitar. Right on track! :)

[pure]

buddy took me to tha gym yesterday.. squats.. leg presses..

only reason im on the computer is cuz I can't.. walk straight.. had to go to the restroom, which they put upstairs.. to torture people.. i couldnt go up the steps.. took bout a minute or two.. den it was even harder catching myself from falling on the way down hah.. fun times

[BrokenJera]

hey pure im sure you alreaddy know this but you need to slow down and start lighter. if you hurt so bad you can olny work out one day a week your doing more damage then good. ley your body adjust a while, and warm up then streach properly, after your done streach again and cool down properly.

[Silimtao]

Love drawing the parrallels between weight lifting and playing guitar. Right on track! :)Was that an intentional pun? :)

Pure: I agree with you what you said about spending money.

Anyway, did you look at the google link I posted? I read at least one interesting article on running and training with weights. It's worth a look.

[pure]

Oh i forgot, I was going to come back to that link. which one did you read?

[pure]

hey pure im sure you alreaddy know this but you need to slow down and start lighter. if you hurt so bad you can olny work out one day a week your doing more damage then good. ley your body adjust a while, and warm up then streach properly, after your done streach again and cool down properly.

I always get sore no matter what. so I guess soreness is not a good indicator of overtraining for me..

I remember during track season my legs would just never feel like recovering quick enough.. yea i did the ice baths.. I tried the protein stuff.. and i was stretching out just as much as everybody else if not more.. there wasn't one track meet where I didn't run sore.. Its probably bad that i did.. But it was either run sore or don't run at all.. I asked my coach about it and he didn't have much to say either

and i'm sore as hell right now.. lol.. but i was sore just from running a couple 400s, 200s, and sometimes 100s, almost every weekday.. so i'd probably still be sore if i was squatting only 10 lbs lol

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Oh i forgot, I was going to come back to that link. which one did you read?Um....I can't remember as the link I posted is a bunch of google hits. It was a long article about running and weight training all in text.

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I always get sore no matter what. so I guess soreness is not a good indicator of overtraining for me..there's "good sore" and bad sore. Good sore is just some achyness from the lactic buildup- make sure you're well hydrated. A good sign of over-training is when you do more poorly, even when you're not pushing yourself to the max. Bad sore, is "I can't walk and everything hurts!" Take a coupla motrin or advil and call me in the morning...

Oh, don't underestimate a good epson salt bath. Or just a hot one. The heat will soothe the muscles, and hopefully you wont spazz up from a tough workout. It may be worth a $15 investment to get one of those electric heating pads where you can put a damp sponge in- it has velcro so you can wrap it around body parts or just lie on it. I have a messed up back, it helps a lot.

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well as we were leavin the gym my buddy did say that he worked me a little harder than necessary.. lol _''

We have some epsom salt laying around.. I took a plain ice bath yesterday and it felt good!!.. might try the epsom.

The heating pad sounds good too.. I don't completely understand how the heating and cooling stuff helps recovery but it could help alot with other things, not just weight training so I'll look into getting one.

And i don't believe muscle soreness is caused by lactic acid laying around.. dat might be true for short term, like a couple hours, but for after a day.. I believe the muscle fibers just got tore up so theyre sore and they'll heal up stronger. Am I wrong about that?

And i've been able to walk this whole time.. I just couldn't run or do intense things like going up and down stairs easily- basically why I'm not going to be weight training during track season.. cuz I can't run well while strength training.. I might be able to by now, but i just got up and haven't been on my feet long enough to test it out.

I looked at some of those links and alot of them are basically what I've been told by a coach or some teammates in the past.. which is a good thing i'm sure

about the over training, I probably did do a little too much.. normally I'm nearly finished with recovery by this time. but its all good I'll just go back and do less sets next time