Fastest guitarist you know!!!

[lalimacefolle]

tell us who is the fastest guitarist you know. Personally, I love Allan Holdsworth, check out his concert on
http://www.gnarlygeezer.com

[Led Zeppelin]

Alvin Lee (Ten Years After)

[zepp_rules]

malmsteen and petrucci, there are probably faster guys, but these ones are my favorite

far beyond the sun and flight of the bumblebee, respectively

[skee1]

Some of the fastest guitarists i've met in ,
person were faster than the artist's!
And one i met was only 15 years old but an unknown.
You never know untill you start looking around.
And you might just find one a few miles away from,
where you live.


Mark

[lalimacefolle]

Ever heard Dany GATTON??
Not only is he fast, but he is plays all kinds of music, from country to rock to rockabilly to jazz...

[mc9mm]

I should say Yngwie Malmsteen, but Im not so sure anymore.
I was drifting away on various websites when I
found this guy called John Jaunese.
I read his bio and wasnt very impressed, even though
the site was screaming out loud how cool he was.
It ounded to me like a buttload of BS.
But then in the bottom I found a couple of his songs that you could listen to.
So I did and my conclusion is:
WOW!!
If not faster than Yngwie, very close.
But then ofcourse youve got to have tha feeeeling.
I mean I can be faster than yngwie on a good day, but
its a matter of knowing what youre playing. Control.
And this guy sure does.
I dont think the speed matters that much, but it can enhance the listening-experience in neo-classical
pieces for example.


Here's the short version:
If you want speed, listen to John Jaunese at

http://www.guitar9.com/undiscov31a.html

Kick out the jams!

[skee1]

Yes Danny Gatton was one great guitarist .
He's just one of the forgotten hero's of the Guitar.


Mark

P:S There are lot of great guitarists that are never,
mentioned on here because No body i guess ever,
reads or gets into where it all came from or really cares!

Mark

[jerk]

fastest ? Martin Friedman, Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani ... but Yngwie is the fastest one :p
but for men the best (not fastest) is SLASH

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by jerk
but for men the best (not fastest) is SLASH

:)

[guitargod420]

Zakk Wylde or Yngwie, zakk is probably faster than yngwie actually zakk wylde is probably one of the fastest guitarists ever!

[trebledamage]

As far as the fastest, I would have to say Paul Gilbert before he wussed out and joined Mr. Big. Definitely faster than Yngwie, and I like Yngwie. Listen to some of Gilbert's work when he was with Racer X. However, what Gilbert has in terms of speed he lacks in terms of feeling. That Racer X crap is about as sterile as a Doctor's hands before a major operation. That may be something that is incident to shredding. Gilbert's playing is so fast that I think I had a seizure listening to it one day.

[u10ajf]

Go and take a listen to some of the players at guitar nine records. There's no direct way to compare them 'cause they aren't playing the same passages. It seems to me that there are a scary number of people who can play as fast as Malmsteem, Wylde, Pettrucci, Vai etc. I can't honestly tell the difference. They all hit their limits around 25 notes/second.

One notable player who hasn't been mentioned is Tony MaCalpine - try "Evolution", this guy plays Chopin on Piano brilliantly and pisses on most guitar shredders. Shaun Baxter is a tremendously capable british jazz/rock guitarist but sadly I hear that his album Jazz-Metal is ot of print which sucks 'cause my copy got nicked.

The players who really stand out for me mix their velocities up all over the place. A burst of one or two seconds says as much about your speed as anyone needs to know. In terms of raw technique try "Rustey Cooley", he can sweep pick up and down the neck at speeds that most of us could only cope with in a single crossing of the strings.

[satriani_is_great]

PAUL GILBERT PERIOD, FASTER THAN ANYONE.

[lalimacefolle]

sorry, but he isn't, shawn lane beats him one handedly....

[u10ajf]

I've heard some Paul Gilbert and yes he does kick ass, shawn Lane I can't comment on but it seems like I've got some listening to do; can you recommend some albums by these guys? Preferably something with a bit of variety and not too one-dimensionally shredulous.

[chris mood]

I don't think it's possible to play any faster then Paul Gilbert, or at least be able to comprehend it with human ears!

[crazyguy]

I would say Paul Gilbert, but Buckethead as his former student is highly competitive. There's also this guy called Roy Z playing with Bruce Dickinson on his solo projects, who is quite impresive. Actually, I am very bored with that lately.

[lalimacefolle]

guys, ever heard Shawn LANE??? paul gilbert sounds like Kurt KOBAIN compared to him!!!

[thundergod]

The fastest I've ever heard was Frank Gambale. Sounds like playing cards on a bycycle tire!
Now thats sweep picking!

[u10ajf]

Frank Gambale has played (and recorded) with Holdsworth, those are some CDs I'm after! scary stuff - arguably the best legato player and the best sweep picker playing on the same album!

[lalimacefolle]

well, I own an actual copy!!! found it in a store for a buck!!!

[guitargod420]

Joe Holmes is probably the fastest guitar there is, he played with ozzy when zakk left after ozzys ozzmosis cd he never did any albums with ozzy but toured alot with him and he is probably faster than any guitarists you guys have mentioned

[lalimacefolle]

by the way, frank gambale has played with shawn lane and he said that his jaw hit the floor when he heard him play, and I guarantee you, it's totally true, shawn LANE beats any guitar player by 120 bpm!!! (no hype, just facts, try to grab an mp3 by shawn lane, and you'll see!!)

[Azrael]

The fastest guitarplayer on this planet (and i shalt be struck by lightning if this is not true) is CHRIS IMPELLITTERI.

I used to think that Joe Berger, Malmsteen and Petrucci are the fastest guys.. untill i heard this record:
http://www.angelfire.com/musicals/impellitterichannel/sounds/lesson88.ram

I first thought that the record has been manipulated... but then i saw a learning-video from Impellitteri.. and what i saw there was unbelievable..

-=[Azrael]=-

[trebledamage]

That Impellitieri guy is pretty fast. I think I got carpal tunnel syndrome from just listening to that MP3 you posted. To all of those Shawn Lane supporters, post one of his MP3's on this thread for comparison. I still think Paul Gilbert is just as fast. Unless one of these guys manages to break the sound barrier, I really think that they all sound the same. You can only play so fast. There are limits to the the human body. Any minor difference would be completely inaudible.

[lalimacefolle]

lane is FAST because he has a different technique to play scale that involve one note per string... He can do gigantic stretches I'll try to find a MP3

[lalimacefolle]

http://perso.club-internet.fr/fabienm/lane/boogie.mp3
I'm not quite satisfied, because that's not his fastest tune, but you can see he has a nice tone... I'll keep on looking for his lane's blitz, which is his fastest!

[jerk]

Who is Chris Lepettelli ???

[Azrael]

Chris Impellitteri *LOL*

He´s a guitarist maybe? *LOL*
http://www.rapture.net/impellitteri/index2.htm :D

-=[Azrael]=-

[jerk]

Impellitery .. hmmmm weird name .... sounds like some french's shop

[lalimacefolle]

Sorry, I'm french, and we don't have that kind of Hairdo!!

[jerk]

it not sound like "sandwicherie" or somthing like that, Non?

[u10ajf]

Originally posted by lalimacefolle
lane is FAST because he has a different technique to play scale that involve one note per string... He can do gigantic stretches I'll try to find a MP3

O.K, it's possible to stretch 5,6,7 or even 8 frets if you are right up the guitar neck but only playing one at a time, that's a stretch from 1st to 4 finger, not between two in between these yeah? How many limbs does shawn have? Is he an octopus? Any chance of you posting some tab with this sort of idea on it? does he use standard guitar tuning?

[lalimacefolle]

you can check out his videos at REH... And he actually uses uncommon picking patterns, inspired by banjo players. When he plays that kinds of stretches, he moves them diatonically, so that it sound likes a repetitive pattern of three notes up, then down, then up, etc...
here's an idea, pentatonic minor in A
___________________________________3_____5____8____
__________________________3_____5______8___________
__________________2____5_____7_____________________
__________2____5____7______________________________
_______5____7______________________________________
__5__8_____________________________________________
the first note of every triplet in picked, while the two others are fingerpicked...
Then, you can apply the same pattern , but to the pentatonic box higher on the neck.

[chris mood]

A lot of Blue Grass flat pickers use this approach.

[booneydog01]

Jason Becker, Vinnie Moore, Paul Gilbert, Malmsteen. As for me, Jason Becker would have to be the fastest.

[PittbullBlue]

fastest guitarist I know...is my drummer(Dion) actually...His pinky and ring finger were paralyized in an accident and he plays drums now...but, before then...man he would have me on the floor crawling at his feet! I loved jamming with him and I still do...but, I miss his guitar style. :))

[u10ajf]

Tony MacAlpine is inhumanly fast, not only does he play Chopin brilliantly on the piano but he
is possibly technically the best rock guitarist I've ever heard; I'll check out Shawn Lane and Jason Becker before I pass judgement. He's quite like Malmsteem but in my opinion even better. Listen to Evolution and Maximum security - they're the only ones I've heard but I can guarantee that they are excellent. There's a guy called rusty cooley who produced an instructional video called "shred guitar manifesto" - there's a video of him playing some mega sweep picking and it's horribly demoralising, it ain't just fast he covers some serious fretboard in the process too.
Isn't this emphasis on speed a little irrelevant though? If you want to hear speed nothing beats a keyboard (if you like Jazz piano check out Art Tatum, if you don't you are missing out), for me the great thing about the guitar is it's shear expressiveness, that's why I rate Satriani as probably the best guitarist ever. While we're on the subject of great players I notice that nobody has yet mentioned A WOMAN, why are so few of them playing electric guitar? If you've ever heard Jennifer Batten you may well feel - as I do - that guitarists just don't get better. She can play Satriani style stuff, scott Henderson, Holdsworth, you name it she kicks ass at it and her tone is awesome.

[lalimacefolle]

Whan I asked that question, it was only to see if there were people outside of those that we usually hear in those threads, such as van halen ,rhoads, or Satriani...
I know art tatum, and some jazz soloists can beat hands down those guitarists everyone talked about, but it was still fun to hear about those fastest guys...
I've seen mac alpine, because he is actually backing Vai on his world tour, and he is awesome...
As for shawn lane, he is said to be the 'art tatum of guitar', because he is one of the best specialists of this pianist in the world... So, go check him out... I really think that he is the fastest though, because not only is he fast, but he plays be bop lines, and not arpeggios, like you can hear with malmsteem and becker, when you slow lane's tapes, you hear a normal jazz tune, whereas you slow malmsteem, what you hear is a warmup exercice...

[booneydog01]

Has anyone heard of Francesco Fareri and Neal Nagaoka? I heard that Francesco is really fast but his albums are hard to find because he is from France or something. How about Micheal Angelo, Jonas Hornquist, Ritchie Kotzen, oh yeah and can't forget about George Bellas!

[lalimacefolle]

I'm from france, but I have never heard his name...

[?]

I think Scotty Mishoe owns speed, but not all that tasteful, Jason Becker is king of tasteful speed, IMO ;)

[lalimacefolle]

Scott MISHOE is actually a monster, bacause he has a unique slap and pop technique that makes him sound like a mini Billy SHENHAN you can see a cool video at http://www.chopsfromhell.com there's a bunch of speed freaks on this site too!!

[lalimacefolle]

http://www.chopsfromhell.com/guest_mishoe.html
now that's the actual URL, you know, people like him were burnt in the middle ages!!!

[lalimacefolle]

http://www.scottmishoe.com/MalFunkShen.mp3
another one, an mp3 this time, it's my answering machine message, pretty cool, huh??

[chris mood]

Lalimacefolle

[lalimacefolle]

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
finally, having a sixth finger sawn on wasn't a waste of time!!!

[lalimacefolle]

I have found a cool site with some of shawn lane's lessons
http://shredlikehell.homestead.com/files/laneshredlesson1.jpg

[TimE.]

I'm a young, stupid lead guitarist that has always thought I knew "so much" about guitars and guitarists and solos and such. Not ever have taken any guitar lessons has made the mere 4 years that I've been playing a world of disillusionments. In other words, when you all talk of diatonic, pentatonic, minor, major, sweep, shred, and all that other cool lingo...I'm lost. The only scales I really know are the minor pentatonic, a small blues scale, and some other crappy scales of about 12 notes.
But I'm not here to talk about my lack of guitar experience. I have searched long and hard for really fast guitarists. It wasn't til today when I read all of this forum thread that I actually got some input on the top speed demons.
Before today, I thought that people like Eddie Van Halen, Eric Clapton, my idol Kirk Hammett, Stevie Ray Vahn, and the great Dimebag Darrell were THE GODS of guitar. Boy, was I wrong!!!

[TimE.]

I know that I don't know much about guitars...but in my struggle towards speed, I have learned this:

Speed is not so great.

I noticed that these people you have all talked about are about as fast as one can get. If you play too fast, you don't hear anything. It becomes a huge blur and doesn't sound very nice at all. Which is why I support Slash and Hammett as one of the top guitarists of all that still use some speed. It's a challenge to be able to play fast and still put in that emotion that I'm sure you all feel when a good solo is heard. That little sound clip of MacAlpine kicked my ass. And at points it sounded good. But somewhere in the middle it started to sound like a computer going AWOL. You just hear little bleeps all mixed together. That is when you are TOO fast! These guitarists you all mention ARE fast...I cannot deny that in the slightest. But speed can be overrated in the guitar world.

[lalimacefolle]

Yeah, but dang, it's pretty cool when nobody can hear what you're doing... lol

[Zeppelin]

TimE:
SRV IS The King. besides he was FAST, realy fast.
speed is not the most important thing. its only tool.
the players you've mentioned are good. besides eddy van halen and kirk hammet are fast players too, and they have built their careers on their ability to play fast.

[skin]

Abt obsure but talented shredders like Shawn Lane and Chris Impellitteri, but pple please tell me where I cd dl their songs? Knowning abt their greatness from others doesn't help much....hearing is believing. Maybe guys cd put their songs on aimster, morpheus, etc. This wd help to let everyone in the world to noe how gd they are. Where I come from...not many pple listen to shredders...so it's hard to get records or noe of such pple...

Thanks.

[lalimacefolle]

shawn lane is on morpheus...

[lukather/timmons]

Shawn Lane IMO.. Gilbert comes close.

[TimE.]

I CANNOT BELIEVE IT!!! I went out a few days ago and got spontaneous. I found a few Yngwie Malmsteen CDs and bought the Yngwie Malmsteen Collection. He is a GOD!!! I still need to hear Shawn Lane, but I hope he isn't like Chris Impelliterri(or whatever). Chris WAS fast...but you couldn't hardly understand it. It became rather blurred and distorted(not in a good way). But Malmsteen's stuff is so CLEAN! Yet, they are still distorted(get it? overdrive = distortion)...sorry, bad joke. But he is sooooo damn sweet. He is my new idol. Eric Clapton claims that he is the fastest he's ever heard. Rather arrogant, but does anyone think this is true in the slightest way? I dunno. But from what I've heard so far...MALMSTEEN IS THE GREATEST. He doesn't hardly use twohand tapping!!! And you can TELL that he's from the top of the neck to the bottom. Wow...I am truly amazed.

[lalimacefolle]

Now, take your Malmsteem CDs, play them faster, no.. WAY FASTER!!!!! REALLY!!!, with Jazz licks instead of neo classical ones, and you get Shawn Lane...

[aiwass]

There are certainly many fst guitarists being mentioned here, but let me make a few things clear. Shawn Lane DOES use standard tuning, he IS SOOOOOOO much faster than Yngwie Malmsteen, and none of you are right about who is really the fastest. There is actually an answer, too. Marcus Paus, from my home country Norway, is currently the world record holder in playing fast as hell. Guiness book of records (don't bother checking, since, because it was such a "boring" record, it was only printed once)states that he, at age 15(!) played 466.7/SECOND(!) using strict alternate picked triplet shapes. My old guitar teacher has seen him play, and he says that it sounds like a fast slide. Kinda like "woossssssshhhhh". It's also said that his hands look blurred and transparent when he's playing that fast, although John Petrucci is also known to do that. Why isn't he famous? Well, my guitar teacher also told me that he sucked at playing with emotion. Paus is currently a composer, and writes classical music for orchestra, but also plays insane guitar with his band, mr. Cucumber.

Want a tip for playing fast? Five-note per-string tapping!
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's discovered this, but being a novice 14-year old, my alternate picking chops stop at only 13 notes per sec, but using this trick, I can easily play 20 notes per sec!

In E minor:

T T
-19-12-14-15-17-19-12-14-15-17------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Instead of using 1st, 3rd and 4th finger for the minor third shape, use your 1st, 2nd and 3rd finger, so that you can add a fifth note with your 4th finger, and voila! Five notes per tap, instead of the usual four. But remember to warm up! this kind of stretch is a great way of getting tendonitis!

[aiwass]

Just correcting the "five note per string tapping" sample. Each "tap" should fall on each "19".

Rock on!

[TimE.]

Okay...I have a few things to say. First off, Lalimacefolle, if I played Malmsteen's CD any faster it would be so blurred that I couldn't distinct one note from the other. That is a major problem with speed. You have to have a lot of talent to be able to make each note distinguishable and still extremely fast. I mean, I can play REALLY fast...but it sounds like royal CRAP because all the notes are blurred and mixed.

Now, technically speaking...yes, you are right. There are a few people that are a lot faster than Yngwie. But I haven't heard ANY that can make it that clear and who doesn't use tapping. EVERY shredder uses taps and I kind of find that as cheating. *cough* eddie van halen *cough* Sorry.

Okay, now my questions...
Aiwass says that Shawn Lane uses standard tuning...well, what the hell does Malmsteen use?

My other question...
Is it possible to play 466.7 beats per second????

Which brings me to my final question...
HOW THE HELL DO THEY KNOW HOW MANY BEATS PER SECOND HE WAS HITTING??!! WHAT KIND OF MACHINE CAN CHECK IT?

[lalimacefolle]

Originally posted by TimE.
Which brings me to my final question...
HOW THE HELL DO THEY KNOW HOW MANY BEATS PER SECOND HE WAS HITTING??!! WHAT KIND OF MACHINE CAN CHECK IT?

that's pretty simple! Just slow down the thing and count!! How? just check out all the digital sound software (I personally use Cool edit pro, and I can hit 19 notes per second) To me 466 notes sound like way out there... I'm gonna check it on the net...

As for shawn lane and tapping etc. Well, he is a very talented guy, and I think you should go and check out his CDs because it will blow you away...AND HE DOESN'T SOUND BLURRED!!

[lalimacefolle]

http://perso.club-internet.fr/fabienm/paus/secret.mp3

That's marcus paus... And yeah he is fast! It totally sounds like a Mickey Mouse tune!! I think you meant 44.6 notes per second. It's more reasonnable and it's what he does on this tune.

[aiwass]

No. He has actually been recorded playing 466.7 notes per second. Don't ask me how, but at the time he was setting this record (at age 15) he slept for 2-3 hours every other day! Guess what he did the rest of the time. If you guessed practiced, you just won yourself a T-shirt.

[lalimacefolle]

I actually haven't seen any trustworthy sources on the net that said 466.7 notes. I think this is a rumor. Unless you find a good source (recording, or official page). The only source we have so far is this recording I have posted... That is still pretty scary!!

[aiwass]

When you think of it, it is fully possible to play that fast. Moving your arms and fingers that fast and that much is really all muscle and no trick at all. It's really just about synchronizing your left and right hand. As for Malmsteen, alot of people think he's the greatest ( including himself), but he has got to be the most boring player ever!!!! He has 3-4 runs and 4-5 diminished arpeggios and plays them over and over again. To anyone who actually likes Malmsteen: I feel sorry for you! However, if you wanna hear great neoclassical stuff, listen to Symphony X. Michael Romeo is better, faster, and also more tasteful than the hot-headed Swede. Jason Becker is awesome at neoclassical too.

[aiwass]

Here I am going on about a guy I've never really heard for myself. Until a minute ago. My teacher was right. Brilliant songwriter, amazing technique, but, alas, you can't hear what he's playing. I don't think 466.7 is so unrealistic after all. Plus, he doesn't necessarily play his fastest all of the time. Bear in mind that he practically didn't sleep for days while practising to achieve that speed. I actually enjoyed the music in itself, though. Kinda cool harmonies. Aw well, I guess I'm just being patriotic. Kinda puts Norway on the map, though. I'm sick of being known for the world's greatest black metal bands.

[lalimacefolle]

You should know that Ingwie malmsteem actually was the first to play neo classical music, even though he is boring, he kind off 'created' the style... So every band you mentioned owes him a lot.

[aiwass]

BS! Malmsteen did not invent neoclassical rock! Just listen to solos by Rhoades and Blackmore that were played when Yngwie was still back in STockholm playing his toy guitar! And if I'm not mistaken, Cacophony (Becker and Friedman) was also touring Japan a couple of years before Yngwie arose to take the throne as The King of Shred.

[lalimacefolle]

Originally posted by aiwass
BS! Malmsteen did not invent neoclassical rock! Just listen to solos by Rhoades and Blackmore that were played when Yngwie was still back in STockholm playing his toy guitar! And if I'm not mistaken, Cacophony (Becker and Friedman) was also touring Japan a couple of years before Yngwie arose to take the throne as The King of Shred.

He made it a style on its own... Van halen didn't invent tapping,(Billy GIBBONS and Tal FARLOW had it down before he was born) but he is the one that made it such a big thing for wannabe guitarists. That's the same with Yngwie.

[kristian]

ive read all responses about the fastest guitarist we know and its sad to see that a lot of you are just "guitar fans" and not really "band fans". all the guitarists mentioned are all good and fast but what about other greats such as NUNO BETTENCOURT and DIMEBAG DARRELL? as guitar fans youve even left out eric johnson

[lalimacefolle]

Originally posted by kristian
ive read all responses about the fastest guitarist we know and its sad to see that a lot of you are just "guitar fans" and not really "band fans". all the guitarists mentioned are all good and fast but what about other greats such as NUNO BETTENCOURT and DIMEBAG DARRELL? as guitar fans youve even left out eric johnson

It wasn't a thread about " fastest guitarist in a band" and Eric Johnson isn't that fast!!

[bazdebaz]

Hey guys,
The Fastest and Cleanest guitarist (but also a bit boring) is GEORGE BELLAS (check out his masterpiece "Ripped to Shreds"). He recorded 2 solo albums, and appears with Vitalij Kuprij (1 album), Mark Boals (the last album of Ring of Fire "Thre oracle"),...
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***Concerto Suite LIVE***

[u10ajf]

You guys heard of rusty cooley or Tony McAlpine? I haven't heard much Michael Romeo (just a little on a brilliant Rush Tribute album) and I was pretty gobsmacked, I've heard some George Bellas samples and I was also fairly stunned, there's a hairs breadth in quality between these top of top players, it just depends what you like I don't think there will ever be a time (as there was in Hendrix's day) when one player will hold the monopoly on technical abillity. There's a lot of talent out there but I very much doubt anyone is physically capable of playing anon-chromatic run at a pace greater than 30 notes/second, 466? How many times a second can anyone physically move a plectrum across 6 strings? 466/6=78 times/ second! I don't think anyone could tremolo pick one string at half that speed, forget full strums! Pick tapping perhaps, two notes for the price of one? Still doubt it. If there are that many notes in the sample then some cheating is going on, some delay or it's been sped up and pitch shifted back down. I don't want to put a dampner on an interesting thread but who needs to play faster than Malmsteem (and lets face it we're talking about a measly fractionally greater pace)? If you can, then I don't feel sorry for you (well maybe a little.. don't you get time to eat, sleep, go to the loo) but do your family still recognise you or have they died without you noticing, perhaps you couldn't hear them pleading with you to stop? Above a certain pace it's a blur, the notes become superfluous. The pick attack would sound longer than the string. Surely the great thing about that level of technique would be that it would give you the coordination to play more complicated things at a more human pace?

[lalimacefolle]

Originally posted by u10ajf
Surely the great thing about that level of technique would be that it would give you the coordination to play more complicated things at a more human pace?

I think this is the whole point. A french saying goes "who can the most can the least".

[Zeppelin]

Originally posted by u10ajf
I don't think there will ever be a time (as there was in Hendrix's day) when one player will hold the monopoly on technical abillity.

it wasnt so in the hendrix time as well..
ever heard about people like george benson?
he had technique which was much better than hendrix's, and this is only one example.

[lalimacefolle]

Very good point. But hendrix was the whole package: showmanship, tone, songs, innovation...

[Zip]

Jonny Greenwood (radiohead) is definitivt the fastest guitarist....

[u10ajf]

Quote Zeppelin (in response to my assertion that Hendrix had some technical monopoly of the day).

"ever heard about people like george benson? he had technique which was much better than hendrix's, and this is only one example."

Nope, never heard any, what do you recommend?

Come to think of it I heard some awesome play by Robert Fripp (King Crimson's awesome and very weird guitarist) which I was told was contemporary with Hendrix.

[Barreta_jetstream1]

greenwood!!??! ok i am a huge fan of radiohead and i love his playing and style but he isn't fast. what song were u thinking of as i havn't all of them but i do have all the albums execpt Kid A

[aiwass]

This discussion is turning into a "best guitarist" thing. Being fast isn't the same as being good, and vice versa. I still think Paus is the fastest, but I really don't care. I'd rather listen to Steve Vai and John Petrucci, as they are so much more interesting. Or even Kirk Hammett (pre-load).

[lalimacefolle]

People, we are talking about tasteless, brainless, going through the motions SHREEEEEEEED... Mentioning Vai, Hammet, or anyone else with a pytiful 20 notes per second is not appropriate... Paus is fast (check the link I have posted higher). As long as you can decipher the notes, it's not fast enough...

[aiwass]

Did I say they were fast? Nooooooooooo. I just find them more interesting than Angelo or Fareri and all those other "Hey-I-sound-like-every-other-neoclassical-shredder-but-faster" guys. However, some of Paus' stuff, I found rather appealing (being a Primus fan). Then again. Don't listen to me. Im fourteen, for crissakes!!

[lalimacefolle]

yeahhhh!

[Edited by lalimacefolle on 01-23-2002 at 07:43 PM]

[TimE.]

Yes...that man is definitely not hitting 466.7 bps. I think Lalimacefolle's 46.6 is a lot better. I calculated it out. Okay, now listen to this...if I play the G chord, I am hitting 6 strings, right? And no matter how fast I'm playing that chord...there are itty bitty microseconds in between each string. Well, I tried playing that G chord as fast as I could. Hitting about 8 - 10 chords per second. That means I am only getting 46 to 60 bps if you count every string that I hit. THAT'S WITH A FREAKIN' CHORD!!! Now, tell me...how can a person do 10 TIMES THAT while using SINGLE-STRING, LEAD PICKING?!!!!!!! That is humanly impossible.

But Michael Paus(or whatever his name is) is definitely the fastest guitarist I've heard. Those "Mickey Mouse" scales do sound like a weird type of slide.

[kristian]

im really sorry if sounded like i hated you or something. your cool man. i just didnt memorize the spelling of your name, and you mentioned that you were french. sorry man. thanks for your opinion. nuno's my fave guitarist and it hurts me not to see his name. now i see that it's all about speed... mindless speed. then i guess my vote goes to yngwie malmsteen. he's boring. once youve heard one album, youve heard them all.

[kristian]

im such an idiot! can anybody tell me how to erase a thread? i was supposed to just reply when i accidentaly clicked on the "post new thread" ........ oh and paul gilbert is faster than yngwie

[lalimacefolle]

I'm the only one who can do that. It will go away after a while...

[aiwass]

To Kristian: ("Yngwie is boring"). Hear, hear! A shame nuno isn't mentioned, though. Even if he isn't mindless, he sure CAN play fast (whenever he really tries). Download some live bootlegs!

[aiwass]

Have any of you heard Mick Thomson (slipknot)? I mean, like, soloing? I've heard he is an awesome shredder, but they won't let him solo on their CD's. He's gonna make some CD now with Zakk Wylde and Dimebag Darrell. Can't wait.

[ozzfreak]

This is my first time on so don't yell at me if I do anything stupid OK. If you ask me I think the best solo'ist was Randy Rhoads. he play for Ozzy & he started Quiet Riot at age 16 he was born in 1952 and he died in a plane wreck in 1982.

[lalimacefolle]

Originally posted by ozzfreak
This is my first time on so don't yell at me if I do anything stupid OK. If you ask me I think the best solo'ist was Randy Rhoads. he play for Ozzy & he started Quiet Riot at age 16 he was born in 1952 and he died in a plane wreck in 1982.

Welcome Ozzfreak!!! I won't yell at you, don't worry!!

[Rudi]

Hi all! I searched for the fastest guitar player in the world and found this thread:)
I have actually met Marcus Paus at a Dream Theater consert in Oslo Norway(Where i come from) One thing that made me smile a little was that he had actually brought his guitar to a consert(to show off?:) and my friend asked him to play a difficult part from one of Dream t... songs.
ok he said and i laid my ear on the neck of the guitar only to be blown of this earth astonished!! Ok that he played the riff perfect but also four times as fast or somth and he swithed his hand gripping the neck normally and from above just to show that this was no big deal at all:)
Just about then i looked at my friend and shook my head thinkin this "guy isnt normal at all" I have also heard that Paus has a case of Hyperactivity in the motorics of his body or somthing that makes his "out of this world" shredding possible.. Somthing i can understand after i have met him.. he could simply not sit still:)

In my search i also "fell into" The Great kat`s home page, This is a English chick who claims to be the fastest guitarplayer in the world(surely the most psycho:) she is a virutous violin player who suddenly found out she`d freak out and convert her classical self into a speed metal s&m ...thing:) way to go! (she also thinks she`s the reincarnation of Beethoven and speaks of herself in third person form:) http://greatkat.com/ and laugh ure ass off!

[lalimacefolle]

I had seen that stuff, I thought she was a guy!

[Branislav]

Alvin Lee and Yngwie, I think
but the fastest guy I know is Buki :)

[chris mood]

whats with that kat chick?

[lalimacefolle]

Originally posted by Rudi
I have also heard that Paus has a case of Hyperactivity in the motorics of his body or somthing that makes his "out of this world" shredding possible.. Somthing i can understand after i have met him.. he could simply not sit still:)

Shawn LANE in his REH tapes talks about that kind of stuff but for Art TATUM, the piano player... I'm gonna do some research about this...

[u10ajf]

I don't think I'm hyperactive but I used to fidget something rotten until I started playing guitar,
I used to pick things up piss around with them a bit, wnader off with them and then loose them! Perhaps I've just grown out of that now but I think playing guitar got me out of the habit, perhaps I just don't have time for mindless fidgetting now!

On a different note I have a shredder to recommend; VINNIE MOORE, the guy is somewhere between Malmsteemious neo-classical stuff and bluesy rocky/satchy stuff. He's very versatile, a top musician and has fabulous technique, thought I'd better mention him since nobody else has. he' one of the few to have a style of his own and is one of my favourites.

[Legatogort]

Fast is definitely pleasing for guitar fans to hear and guitar players to accomplish but if the speed approaches that place where indiviual notes blur -- what is the point?

As a guitarist (since 1967) and music reviewer with a deep penchant for ultra-speed, smooth legato, time changes, stop-n-go acrobatics, and all that -- I still find my ears most pleased and falling back to the work of Allan Holdsworth. He is the master of effortless lightning -- hands down? fingers down? I dunno . . .

And I see nobody here has mentioned the new guy on the block -- Scott McGill. Trust me, that guy is fast, blisteringly fast and best of all he keeps it going and going and going. I saw him live once playing balls-to-the-wall fusion with a serious crunch factor as well and he was unbelievable. When people started clapping during his solo he just kept going until everyone stopped and had to sit in unbelief. Jaws on the floor . . .

Now here's another few points. How is the speed done? Picking, tapping, pull offs, sweeps or all of the above? What of phrasing? For me, speed with predictable phrasing is not very interesting to hear. Certain scales, runs, and phrases are very overused. What of the musicality of note speed? What of the listenability factor? What of the soul of the piece? First, last, and always -- the musicality must be honored above the technique.

You can only stand so much speed and flash and then your brain says, "Okay, way cool, that's impressive but howzabout some music now. Show is over dude."

If the fastest axe person just riffs into oblivion without touching the listener's soul he has completely missed the deeper language of the medium. It is robotic, muscle memory and reflex versus music.

Speed is good, def good but it needs balance, with direction, and MUST contribute to the song. Otherwise it is just revving the engine with no race to be won.

http://www.EER-MUSIC.com

PS: The world's fastest guitarist is very likely some unknown kid somewhere whanking in a Japanese pawn shop or playing in an obscure bouzouki band in some Grecian village.

[zepo]

Buckethead burns all . Like him or not he's the fastest out right now.

[u10ajf]

who's this buckethead? Where can I hear some?

[chris mood]

Scott McGill

I'm from the philly area and Scott McGill has been playing around here for a long time. In fact my friend played bass for him for a short while before he got hooked up with Michael Mandering(sp?).
I always thought he sounded a little too-much like Holdsworth though.
Listening to someone play like Holdsworth is like listening to someone play like Van Halen, it's impressive at first, but then you kind of feel like "hey, that stuff is sacred, stop doing that and come up with your own thing".
Just my opinion.

[markdeaton]

Fastest guitar player is Chris Impelliteri

[TimE.]

Okay, everybody...these guitarists are starting to get monotonous. The speed is just driving into my brain like a burning drill. About 3/4 of these guys pretty much sound alike. Just different scales or styles or whatever. A lot of these guitarists are definitly the top shredders...but now it's just boring. Speed can only go so far.

[lalimacefolle]

Originally posted by TimE.
Speed can only go so far.

How far, that's the point of this thread, I'm back by the way!!!

[pstring]

I don't know how far speed can go, but I was wondering how far this thread can go, every player on the planet that can play over 60bpm has been named and denounced by somebody, Lalimacefolle, you sure know how to kick the hornet"s nest ole boy

[lalimacefolle]

Yeahhhhh!!

[aiwass]

After spending this winter working on my chops, not getting further than 160bpm, I am very pleased to hear that Paus is a freak of nature. Yo Rudi: Heia Norge!

I have mailed the Great Kat and asked her how she could possibly justify that her music is "the only music" and that she is the best and "only" virtuoso. She threatened to sue me for harrassment! Trust me! Leave her alone in her little universe. She's fast, but when you brag that much about yourself, you should have music good enough to back it up!
I'm off to a dream theater concert tomorrow, and i'm looking forward to seeing Petrucci play Malmsteen's socks off.

[danigamss]

the fastest guitarist with no doubt is the lead guitar of a famous black metal band from finland by the name of children of bodom. his name is alexi laiho and he kicks yngwie in the ass.

[lalimacefolle]

I had heard about the guy!!

http://www.cobhc.com/sound/Children_of_Bodom_01_Follow_the_Reaper.mp3

[aiwass]

Both in the Death and Black Metal scene, there are alot of unknown guitarists with great talent (usually Death). However, except for Scandinavians and Satanists, noone will hear much of the black metal bands. Not too commercial. Has anyone here ever heard a good Black metal song/band/guitarist aside from the mentioned finnish shredder?

[ciscometal]

GEORGE LYNCH........


AND HE IS ONE OF THE MOST SINISTER MELODY MAKERS.....

[ciscometal]

....SOMETIMES I THINK THAT GOING FAST IS A SUBSTITION TO ORGASM...


... YOU BETTER START THINKING ABOUT PLAYING FAST, BE HONEST TO YOURSELVES, MAYBE YOU GO TO FAST FOR OTHER THINGS........

[lalimacefolle]

Oh yeah, come on, he is fast, but he is faaaaaaar from the fastest!!! I was very disappointed when I heard a tape (Lynch mob, right?) because there was all this buzz around him in every mag in the 80s...
Don't get me wrong, he is talented, but check out some posts, there are way faster guitarsits!!

[lalimacefolle]

Yo, stop yelling!!

[aiwass]

i have been looking into this alexi laiho guy, and, next to discovering that his band isn't at all black metal, but a mix of glam, goth and thrash, i have to agree that he is a serious contestant. Check out Children of Bodom. You will NOT be disappointed! This guy is at least as fast as Shawn Lane, and has a very fresh approach to the neoclassical style. However, I am not sure if he is the only guitar talent in the band, since on their web page, they say that he is really the band's second guitarist/singer. Maybe it is the other guy who deserves the credit, I dunno. Good band, at least.

[ciscometal]

Originally posted by lalimacefolle
Oh yeah, come on, he is fast, but he is faaaaaaar from the fastest!!! I was very disappointed when I heard a tape (Lynch mob, right?) because there was all this buzz around him in every mag in the 80s...
Don't get me wrong, he is talented, but check out some posts, there are way faster guitarsits!!


FIRST....

CHECK ALL HIS WORK AND THEN.... COME BACK AND WRITE ABOUT HIM

[ciscometal]

Originally posted by lalimacefolle
Oh yeah, come on, he is fast, but he is faaaaaaar from the fastest!!! I was very disappointed when I heard a tape (Lynch mob, right?) because there was all this buzz around him in every mag in the 80s...
Don't get me wrong, he is talented, but check out some posts, there are way faster guitarsits!!

IF YOU DON´T KNOW , DON´T WRITE!

[ciscometal]

I`VE ALREADY HEARD THE MARCUS PAUS MP3, THE 466.7 BEATS PER SECOND GUY, RIGHT?

AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

THE DRUMS SOUND LIKE CRAP, LIKE EMPTY CAMPBELLS CANS

YEA...

[aiwass]

This discussion isn't about how nice drum sound the drummer has (put on a slipknot record for that). It's about people who devote their lives to becoming technically proficient on their instrument. Their music might still suck, by all means, but they are still fast. Paus' bass player is scary, though. He's like John Myung (dream theater) and Les Claypool all at once. And as far as Lynch goes, don't judge them compared to yourself, compare them to other fast guys!
Petrucci kicks his ass when it comes to speed, although both are excellent guitarists.

[lalimacefolle]

Originally posted by ciscometal
I`VE ALREADY HEARD THE MARCUS PAUS MP3, THE 466.7 BEATS PER SECOND GUY, RIGHT?

AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

THE DRUMS SOUND LIKE CRAP, LIKE EMPTY CAMPBELLS CANS

YEA...

I don't know who you think you are, but I think that you should come down a bit and have a reality check. I do know what I'm talking about, and once again, I'm telling you that George Lynch isn't the fastest guy around.
So please push once again your caps lock, and make some sense, you aren't on some board where you can go around acting like some punk... Peace and Love...

[skee1]

Really most of these posts all sound like
My guy is faster than yours .(Who really cares kids)
Most of these air head artists your talking,
about are all on something to make them think,
thier going faster pills ect sniffing something.zzz

(Who really cares worry about your-self plus your speed)


Mark
P:s I really don't give a damm whos the fastest just
like good clean music or music persay!
And i don't worry about other guitarists and how
fast they can play.(Lifes to short)

[aiwass]

To Skeel:
Then why the hell are you taking part in this conversation?

[aiwass]

ehe... oops. "skee1".

[lalimacefolle]

When I wrote this thread, I was trying to check out was was humanly possible to do on the guitar.
I know it's not speed that's important, but I just wanted to know if someone out there that I didn't know could expand my possibilities.

[skee1]

Originally posted by aiwass
To Skeel:
Then why the hell are you taking part in this conversation?


Why:because i wanted to stir you up alittle it looks,
like i did...haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Mark

[bigmarty]

there's a lot out there Mc Laughlin,Frank Marino(where zakk gets his licks from),Brent Mason a country guy who after listening to will make you either practice harder or just plain out quit. Jason Becker with Cacophony and his solo album Perpetual Burn.And can't forget Yngwie,Paul Gilbert,Tony MacAlpine.So that's kind of my speed list.

[skee1]

Originally posted by lalimacefolle
When I wrote this thread, I was trying to check out was was humanly possible to do on the guitar.
I know it's not speed that's important, but I just wanted to know if someone out there that I didn't know could expand my possibilities.

Well did they expand your possibilities?
Its sounds like they stirred you up too.ha ha

Mark

[aiwass]

Skee1 is really starting to piss me off. I wish he could contribute more positively to this conversation.

"Hahahahaaaaaaaaaa" Not!

[lalimacefolle]

Originally posted by skee1

Its sounds like they stirred you up too.ha ha

??

[ciscometal]

Originally posted by lalimacefolle
Originally posted by ciscometal
I`VE ALREADY HEARD THE MARCUS PAUS MP3, THE 466.7 BEATS PER SECOND GUY, RIGHT?

AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

THE DRUMS SOUND LIKE CRAP, LIKE EMPTY CAMPBELLS CANS

YEA...

I don't know who you think you are, but I think that you should come down a bit and have a reality check. I do know what I'm talking about, and once again, I'm telling you that George Lynch isn't the fastest guy around.
So please push once again your caps lock, and make some sense, you aren't on some board where you can go around acting like some punk... Peace and Love...

O.K.
¡ PAZ MAESTRO.....!!
BUT....
I DON´T THINK YOU KNOW GEORGE LYNCH AS MUCH AS YOU WISH TO...

[lalimacefolle]

It's been a long time since we ate together you are right. I don't think your posts bring something to the thread though...

[ciscometal]

Originally posted by lalimacefolle
It's been a long time since we ate together you are right. I don't think your posts bring something to the thread though...


yeah,
he told me yesterday how an uninteresting person you were......(and i´m sure you still are)
but...

.....have you ever heard : DAVE FIUCZYNSKI ?

[lalimacefolle]

Nope...

[aiwass]

he's the guy from screaming headless torsos. Truly obsessed with new scales.

[lalimacefolle]

Is he fast?

[aiwass]

I have never heard him, although i have read several guest columns in GP with him. I think i heard somewhere that he's a badass shredder, but i don't really know. After seeing Dream Theater live a couple of weeks ago, i don't really care for any shredders 'cept Petrucci, though. He is well-known, but he is still amazingly fast! Not to mention the most tasteful players i have ever seen live (i have seen both Clapton and B.B). He actually plays rather sparse, as long as it's a slow song, and executes bends and vibrato perfectly. When faster songs appear, though..... no more mister nice guy! He even played the RHYTHM (not easy stuff, either) with only his left hand on a long section of one of the songs.

[aiwass]

By the way, does anyone know how to play the incredibly fast run from "Pull me under"? (The part repeated after the chorus). I have tabs, but i think they are wrong. they sound ****ty, and have a very strange rhythm.

[lalimacefolle]

well, cisco, you gotta say why you mentioned him then..

[ciscometal]

Originally posted by lalimacefolle
well, cisco, you gotta say why you mentioned him then..

I got ya.....

and Aiwass is right .. i Heard from this guy through GP.

He interested me and then check him out..
I will not say that he is obsessed with scales. yeah. he is an academic guy but he never forgets the "groove"
is a very rythmic player , in my opinion he has also very sense of improvisation into melody with ability not as the common "malmsteen or Petrucci kind of player",
he is not that "squeared" in comparison to the typical shredder that everyone mention here or expect to hear...He is way beyond......In a few words to describe his sound imagine a variety of rythms like country or funk into shredding with out losing the vibe.

so i invite you to check him out

OH I ALMOST FORGOT...

......And just in case you want to read this:

YES HE IS FAST!!!!!

[eojeab]

Hi,
I wanna talk to you about a guitarrist call Joe Stump, who is very heavy and fast.

Other guitarrist fast are los maestros Al Di Meola, John McLaughlin and Paco de Lucía(with no pick). And don't believe me, cheack out the "Friday Night In San Francisco"(1980) -the more entertaining live performance than I ever hear-.

Well, and the last thing, I don't think that Marcus Paus play 44.6 bps (yes, 44.6) Men John Petrucci's "Flight of the bumble-bee" performance is 16 bps.(yes 16 bps) and Steve vai's "Crossroad"(movie) final solo is arround 10 bps.

I mean the Marcus Paus thing sound weird but I thinks that it 'cause he is playing something weird not for the speed itself.

Ahh and a note: the brain just see clear arround 12 images different per second so anything playing faster than that look blurred so if sombody play arround 14 notes(fret) different per second his hand will be blurred. Are you able to play in that way?

Bye and good luck.

[lalimacefolle]

I am currently able to play around 24 notes per second, and my hand doesn't look blurred...

[aiwass]

24 per second?! That is f***ing amazing! I'm closing in on 11! I've got a long way to go...... Is that using alternate picking?

[Mai Zure]

24 notes per second...Is that with or without legato?

Also, the fastest guitarist I know was that guy who won olympic silver in 2000 for the 100 meter. He plays guitar and he can haul a$$

[aiwass]

How fast do you progress in speed when you're already that fast? I have gone from 16ths on 144 to 16ths on 168 in about four months, and i am starting to improve faster and faster, but if the rate of progress remains the same, i'll be shredding faster than lightning by the time i'm old and wrinkly! I mean, adding 10 bpm to the speed every three-four weeks from age 14 and up! After i'm sixty, i'll be somewhere around 5700 bpm!!
Or does it it slow down as you get faster? (i bet it does).

[lalimacefolle]

Originally posted by aiwass
24 per second?! That is f***ing amazing! I'm closing in on 11! I've got a long way to go...... Is that using alternate picking?

It's alternate picking, on a chromatic lick on the high E, and it was the purpose of that thread, how much farther can I go?
When I play a "normal" improvised lick I actually can go up to 19 notes per second, the 24 notes is in a very special setting... Of course, using tapping, I can go a little over those 24, but I go slower with legato, since I need more finger movement to hammer and pull off...

[aiwass]

Yeah, tapping is "cheating". Even I can go over 20 per sec with tapping. I think sweeping is, too. Guys like Franscisco Farera are always mentioned in these discussions, but practically all he does is sweep picking! A technique which is easier to execute fast than to execute slow (in my own opinion, that is). As long as you're down with the muting technique, sweep picking isn't much harder than strumming chords. And chords aren't that hard to strum fast, are they? In this discussion, i think only alternate picking should be allowed. Or "i-m" picking for those of you who play classical. Of the alternate pickers, i think Petrucci, Lane and Malmsteen are among the best.

[aiwass]

By the way, Lalimacefolle, are there any recordings of you i can find somewhere on the net?

[lalimacefolle]

http://lalimace.free.fr/ang/quiestang.html

Not my best or my fastest tunes, but there are some cool licks. You can check out my tricks by typing 'Herve ALLESANT' in the search box.

[aiwass]

That's it! I'm giving up on the guitar and taking up toilet cleaning! That is some of the most insane stuff i've heard since Paus. Except it's a bit more fun to listen to. I'm pretty sure you were the better half of the Gilbert jam, too. Where the hell do you get that Zen guitar book?

[lalimacefolle]

It's on amazon.com, Philip Sudo, the guy who wrote it, is battling with cancer, he's really sick and he's a really wise and smart guy. you can check out his site http://www.zenguitar.com
Anyway, I'm glad you liked what I play!

[aiwass]

Another really amazing guitarist who uses alternate picking is Michael Angelo (cool name, by the way). He is insanely fast, a bit faster than Lalimacefolle, i'm afraid, and he is AMBIDEXTROUS! He plays both right- and left-handed! He even has a custom double guitar so he doesn't have to change guitars! Currently playing with the band C4. Yep, another neoclassical guy. But a pretty good one.

[eojeab]

The note about the brain is something seen on TV, the proof was a bird image and a cage image put in a pencil in two different side and ...

That's is not important the important thing is that Joe Stump, John McLaughlin, Paco de Lucía and Al Di Meola are incredible and faster guitarrist. But I think that Al Di Meola is the faster with absolute clean and he plays soft and hard.

Ynwie's "Far beyond the sun" have arround 16.2 note per second except the tremolo picking is arround 21.6 bps.

If you play just 19 bps then you can play "Flight of the bumblebee" 16ths on 285 bpm easy, right?

[lalimacefolle]

yeah

[aiwass]

The video clip you had on your website (with the Mission impossible theme) showed some insane runs. What were the runs based on? They were a bit too fast to see and hear... A transcriber's nightmare, but really cool-sounding.

[lalimacefolle]

it's the A major Scale, they are basically van Halen's runs, played twice faster...
For anyone who wants to see it, here it is:
http://lalimace.free.fr/mp3/demo.wmv

[eojeab]

Yesterday, I found this page: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=524364764/pagename=/RP/CDN/CLASS/muzealbum.html/itemid=137385 a version of Paganini's "caprice N°5". If you wanna cheack it out.

Here is the tab: http://www.guitarworld.com/lessons/artists/1999/0999.yngla.html for caprice N°5 is a Ynwie's lesson from Guitar World.

Do you think that´s fast?
Can you play it?

Also, here is the violin version: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=524364764/pagename=/RP/CDN/CLASS/muzealbum.html/itemid=1326612

And "flight of bumblebee" for piano: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=524364764/pagename=/RP/CDN/CLASS/muzealbum.html/itemid=413921

bye

[lalimacefolle]

If you wanna see the bumblebbe played by me:
http://lalimace.free.fr/mp3/bee.wmv

I guess I get to the 24 notes in some spots (I haven't slowed it down though, check it out and count if you wish :D )

[aiwass]

i am always amazed at how different this piece sounds as different players play it. Your versoin does not sound anything like petrucci's version, and neither does the original (!)

[lalimacefolle]

it's because neither him or I bothered to play the original piece (I am too lazy to learn the entire piece, and I don't know his reasons, maybe it's the same)

[aiwass]

Yeah. That song will sound right as long as you play the chromatic main parts now and then. Except for that, you can play just about anything that's fast.

[crazyguy]

I know this thread is dead, but here's something you might like :
http://www.vlatkostefanovski.com.mk/mp3.html
Make sure you listen to the one named 'VSTrio Kalajdzisko'.

[chris mood]

nice going Lali - sounds good!

[lalimacefolle]

I know, it almost sounds like I know what I'm doing...

[chris mood]

ahhhh stop being so humble, we know you've been sitting around practicing that piece everyday for the past 10yrs waiting for the day you could debut it on guitartricks!
Who's the naked chic in your video?

[aiwass]

What the....... Naked chick?! In the bumblebee video?

[lalimacefolle]

I knew people would download it only because of that comment! You are awesome Chris!

[chris mood]

no problem man!
I got to get some of that fancy video equipment !!
Wait to you get a load of some of my videos, there gonna put the the Great Kat to shame!

[Edited by chris mood on 03-20-2002 at 07:59 PM]

[johan1985]

Buckethead is pretty fast..

[discomphort]

i think Jason Becker could come up close.
dunno. Yngwies fast too..but a bit boring.
It's not enough if your just fast, Frank Gambales
music proves that....

[aiwass]

i know it's a pretty well-known name, but i downloaded a video of Vai soloing yesterday, and that guy has SERIOUS chops. Definitely a candidate. He is also probably the best at making fast playing sound good.

[johan1985]

Have any of you seen a Buckethead solo? Hes fast and fun (and weird)!

[Fred Krueger]

Not in order:

Shawn Lane
Brett Garsed
Impellittieri


(IMHO) ;)

[lalimacefolle]

I can't believe that thread is still going!!!
Buckethead has already been mentioned, same with Shawn LANE, Impitirelli, or whatever his name is too, even I have been mentioned... I guess...

[aiwass]

Does anyone know about any up-and-coming ones?

I mean, they can't all be doing drop-tuned rap-metal, can they?

[lalimacefolle]

Ron thal
Freak Kitchen

[Dejan Sajinovic]

Yngwie is fast but boring but I like him

Petrucci is one of best. He´s damn fast (listen to Flight Of Bumblebee) but also he got that feeling wich Yngwie is missin´.

Vai is awsome. Much like Petrucci

Gilbert od course (thanks for those skips man)

[aiwass]

Mick Thomson can ****ing shred!!

I know this is a pretty dead thread, but there is a new talent around!! Whoever said that the guys in Slipknot couldn't play, is likely to turn bright red when they read the latest issue of Total Guitar Magazine (and listen to the free CD that comes with it). It features a lesson with Mick Thomson (no. 7), and showcases his UNBELIEVEABLE chops. A real master of the neoclassical style, although his guitar tone on the CD (courtesy of a line 6 pod, yeech) is extremely muddy and makes it difficult to hear every note on some of the examples. Luckily, everything is transcribed. He is even faster than Yngwie! Check it out!

[tlaxa]

1. page stairway to heaven
2. blackmore highway star (live)
3. gilmour - comfortably numb
4. betts - ramblin man
5. rhoads - mr crowley

[aiwass]

What the hell?! Not one of those solos is fast except for Mr. Crowley!! And that isn't too fast, either...

[tlaxa]

disregard the above post. it should have been listed under the top 5 rock guitar leads thread. sorry.

[aiwass]

Oh. In that case, brilliant choice! (I would also squeeze in Petrucci's solo on Under A Glass Moon somewhere, though:)

[DarkSarx]

I used to think that Yngwie was the fastest, but I heard this guy Michael Angelo and he's insanely fast! He plays a double neck guitar, one right handed and, you guessed, the other neck is left handed. He does some harmonized double-hand arpeggios that really impressed me. But I'm dissapointed with his composing skills. He sounds way too hollow! And he cheats: he uses string dampeners to keep the strings quiet and tons of digital effects... :-(

Tony MacAlpine is brilliant in many senses, but his piano playing sucks. Anyone that has heard good Chopin records (like those from Deutsche Grammophone) knows that MacAlpine sounds too harsh at Chopin.

Yngwie and Vai are my all-time favs, but both of them bore me if I listen too long to their records.

[aiwass]

I downloaded a video of Jason Becker soloing. It was amazing in all ways, but the coolest was when he was doing some intricate left-hand legato stuff while doing really cool tricks with a yo-yo on his right hand! The crowd went wild!

[Domagoj]

Hey whats up people.

Hey Limace, how long you been playing? 15 years? Sounds like at leaast that long - probably 20+. Nice stuff. I've got catching up to do in sheer speed/neo-classical, but I'm more jazz oriented, and I don't really think I'll go full tilt in the direction of learning neo-licks - I'll go with jazz/rock/fusion licks and maybe get them going at a pretty good pace. I heard one or two very brief jazz licks in your playing - I "suggest" you get (more) hardcore into jazz, it can only add color to your palette, and you can always use a short burst of speed between totally random jazzy bits. I highly reccomend Herbie Hancock's tunes - especially the pretty straightforward, simple funk ones where you have the freedom to change keyds/scales constantly and randomly meld it/let it meld itself into something that when you listen to it, it's totally different than it sounded when you first recorded it. Just a thought...plus I have one or two alright improvs of my own saved (playing over existing works of jazz greats)...not quite there with the speed, but getting alright at the jazz thing - I sound like a jazz sax I guess - main inspiration with that style is McLaughlin, and a tad Metheny (meaning I sound like them basically, but of course my own sound a bit), with of course the fast parts being probably closest to Satriani, who I know isn't really the best shredder, (if he can really be called a true shredder at all), but I like him the best overall of the fastest guys 'cause he's the most listenable (songwriting is cometimes great too for moods it puts you in), although he's still almost too fast compared with the Guitar Trio, which in my opinion can't be touched - they are the overlords of guitar. Their slower later songwriting is awesome...it really showcases where else to go other than just sheer speed - plus shows other places to use speed - (like tons of McLaughlin's stuff), where "1/2 pace" is the maximum possible speed when playing strange random ****, although there's that Scott Mishoe to sort of negate that "rule of thumb", but that's almost banjo/hillbilly sounding licks, however I didn't think I'd see someone sweep the floor with Victor Wooten (Bela Fleck & the Flecktones), but now it seems there are probably tons of bassists/bass-style slap guitarists much faster than Wooten. Still, in terms of "true jazz/fusion" sounding licks, there really aren't any very fast guitarists in the idiom - I think I'll concentrate there - there seems to be ample room for braking ground :)

Anyhow, I'm not really "voting" for anyone, but hey I'm sure as hell surprised to hear that strange noise from Marcus Paus. He's the fastest, no question. Then probably Gilbert and yourself (Limace), with the host of other guys like Michael Angelo and Yngwie, etc. following suit.

Anyhow, any other McLaughlin/DiMeola/de Lucia fans? I'd probably say these guys are the best (of course not nearly the fastest), and these guys are also the most important, next to Hendrix and the forerunners, like Tal Farlow, Django Reinhardt, and, of course, Charlie Christian.

For those that might not know, there is a pretty simple lineage to guitarists :

(Robert Johnson), Charlile Christian, Django Reindardt, Tal Farlow, then I'm not sure for the next while, but of course after that there's Jimi Hendrix, John Mclaughlin, Paco de Lucia, Al DiMeola (started the real speed in guitar), then of course Yngwie (maximized speed), and Vai and EVH and Satriani and the rest, but if you want a history of speed guitar, it's only two guys - DiMeola and Malmsteen, and that's a fact. Everything else is basically following Yngwie's lead, as he's the guy who took it to the next level, and he even told Al that he was the inspirtation to become the fastest guitarist in the world, since Al had done that just before him.

If anyone else knows any tidbits about the "early-mid lineage" of guitar's most prominent figures, give us a nice in-depth review.

Well it's nie to find a place devoted to aspiring guitarists, and I think I've found a source of great information. Well, off to bed, it's 4:20am.

Cya

[aiwass]

Not by any means fast, but some guitarists between Tal Farlow and Jimi Hendrix include Chuck Berry, Scotty Moore, Roy Buchanan, Cliff Gallup, etc. Lalimacefolle doesn't like it when someone misspells his name, by the way. Apologize to him! At once!

[Domagoj]

I didn't misspell it. That's how it's spelled on his site. I guess it's the shortened version, or maybe somethinbg like that :)

Anyway, yeah, of course Chuck Berry, and I don't really know about the others, but thanks :)

Man I never thought Marty Friedman was an ultra-shredder - I just know him from Megadeth, and that stuff's pretty tame...oh well, time to check out his 1987 solo album, and whatever else I can find of his...and some JAson Becker too...

Cya

[aiwass]

My bad. I bow to thee.

[James8831]

Originally posted by aiwass
Not by any means fast, but some guitarists between Tal Farlow and Jimi Hendrix include Chuck Berry, Scotty Moore, Roy Buchanan, Cliff Gallup, etc.

These guys I care about listening to..something to do with SOUL ... Fast? ce quoi?? :)

Jimmy Nolen, Hubert Sumlin,Jeff Healy and Buddy Guy (etc..)as well.

Les Paul wasn't slow,tho.....Neither was Johnie Hendrix or Jimmy Page..in their days..

[aiwass]

You know what pisses me off? People like Buddy Guy or Carlos Santana, who can play one repetitive (and easy, mind you) lick through a whole solo, yet be called soulful just because they're old. With Buddy Guy, the only purpose with his solos is to impress people, which in my opinion is a job that should be left to guys like Vai and Malmsteen. Whoever said the old guitarists where the best can go **** themselves. It's basically like saying that the computers of the 70's where better than those of today.

[lalimacefolle]

Originally posted by Domagoj
Anyhow, I'm not really "voting" for anyone, but hey I'm sure as hell surprised to hear that strange noise from Marcus Paus. He's the fastest, no question. Then probably Gilbert and yourself (Limace), with the host of other guys like Michael Angelo and Yngwie, etc. following suit.


Wow, now that feels weird...

[Azrael]

I´m the fastest - and now stop this thread *LOL*

:D

[aiwass]

Hooooold your horses!!! I'm really sorry if I offended anyone, but my point was not that speed decides the skill of a player (cuz it doesn't), but that there ARE actually people who say that all the old guitarists are soooooooooooo much better than the new ones, because they played with "soul". Well, excuse me, but nowadays, the AVERAGE knowledge of both musicality and technique among guitar players is significantly higher than what it was when the "old guys" ruled, which doesn't necessarily mean that they are better now, but certainly proves that they can't be worse now than before! For Example, aggressivity, frustration and anger are emotions that would probably be easier to express if one had good technique, since fast playing (especially during a crescendo) would be a good tool with which to epitomize these emotions. On the other hand, the "new" guitarists have a disadvantage too: As opposed to when the "old guys" were doing their thing, nowadays it's much harder to come up with your own style, since much of it has been done before, and the possibilities become fewer and fewer. As you hopefully see now, my point wasn't to generalize, but to criticize those who generalize.

[Edited by aiwass on 04-14-2002 at 06:42 AM]

[aiwass]

And on the subject of generalization of guitarists, I recently read an interview with some guitarist/singer/songwriter who said that most male guitarists (she was a woman) only care about playing fast and impressing other male guitarists, but that female guitarists are much better, cuz they don't care about that. Ever heard of Jennifer Batten? Hm?

(Awaiting pissed-off responses)

[u10ajf]

Yes, I've heard "momentum", she vies with Vai, out henderson's scott henderson and still sounds like,.. um Jennifer Batten and I prefer her to either of the afore mentioned wizards. For those who haven't heard her playing I must recommend you sort that problem out. She kicks many leagues of ass.

[aiwass]

I think jennifer batten is being neglected in her current band (Jeff Beck). Almost all she does is play rhythm and emulate keyboards. Must be cool to work with Jeff Beck, though.

[lalimacefolle]

She actually writes the tunes I think (or co-writes them...)

[aiwass]

Yeah, I know. But she really does very little lead work. I think there was one song on "You Had It Coming" where she did a solo duet. I'm not sure. I'll investigate :)

[lalimacefolle]

Something that sucks when you like some guitar hero is when you listen to what he/she does in a band where he/she isn't the frontman.
The only CDs I loved that were in this case was the DLR CDs where Steve VAI played on.

[eojeab]

Yeah, Finally somebody talk about The Guitar Trio (Al Di Meola/John McLaughlin/Paco de Lucía) with the CD: “Friday night in San Francisco”, such a cool fight.

And something funny, I found something about Marcus Paus that play with a band call “Absolute Steel” but the people in “Absolute Steel” says “no body is faster than Yngwie not matter what the Guinness says” . – Funny stuff, ehh –

And the last thing here
http://www.rapture.net/impellitteri/ygint2.htm a interview with Chris Impelliteri and Paul Gilbert talking about 20th century guitarrist. Is a very interesting interview, read it. They talk about Ynwie, too.

Bye.

[kirkhammett2]

KIRK HAMMETT although vai, malmsteen and petrucci come close

[aiwass]

Excuse me, but do you have any idea about what you're saying?!!! To state that someone is faster than Vai (or Petrucci, for that sake) is a bold statement in itself, but Hammett is NOT faster. He is a good guitarist, but to say that he comes even remotely close to playing as fast as those guys is complete bull****!

[kirkhammett2]

Originally posted by aiwass
Excuse me, but do you have any idea about what you're saying?!!! To state that someone is faster than Vai (or Petrucci, for that sake) is a bold statement in itself, but Hammett is NOT faster. He is a good guitarist, but to say that he comes even remotely close to playing as fast as those guys is complete bull****!

considering vai and hammett are both recorded at 20 notes per second that blatantly isnt bull****

[aiwass]

Yes it is! Prove me wrong!

[lalimacefolle]

ok, let's come down a bit...
Kirkhammet2, check some of the names posted above, and you'll see that VAI, Satch, and even Paul GILBERT come way behind the fastest guys (who are obscure, I admit). As for Kirk, even though he knows how to play, I do not think that he belongs in the fastest list, maybe in the heaviest, but not fastest...

[aiwass]

Kirk is pretty darn fast when he wants to, but this discussion is about INHUMAN people.

[u10ajf]

Satch is incredibly fast it's just unlike most neo-classical heads he doesn't always ram it down people's throats by sweep picking the whole fretboard like some machine. For example there's a little bit of the second solo from Rubina's blue sky happiness, that's like a pianist's glissando. I expect he could cope with most of what these obscure largely un-listenable, dull as hell players regularly blurt out if he wanted to but he wouldn't even try because, his ego is too irreplacably huge to risk denting. Whillst I'm about it I'd also like to say he's way cooler than Vai but I don't see why there always being compared (other than that Satch taught Vai) when they're so different.
Anyway, I don't personally know how to tell the difference between a delay effect and seriously fast alternate picking anyway, it all sounds faster with a warm neck pick up setting anyway. I don't know what I'm doing adding to the 30th page of this thread! Perhaps I can fill some more time meditating on the merits of the colour grey..

[aiwass]

I agree that the comparison is stupid, and although I prefer Vai, I think they are too different to compare. It's like comparing SRV and malmsteen or something.

[lalimacefolle]

Even though they are different, they have been on the same label for some time, they lived in the same town, they have learnt guitar together (Satch said they jammed more than they actually did any formal training), and most of all, they are on the same rack in stores: instrumental rock, or guitar instrumental.
Satch comes more from a blues background, while VAI has developed into this Jazz/experimental music... But I guess it's fun to compare them both...

[aiwass]

yes. Just read this thread. I think we all agreed on either Marcus Paus or Shawn Lane. Probably Paus, if you ask me...

[lalimacefolle]

Well, I was ranked second with paul gilbert!!! Dude, that was cool!

[aiwass]

Yeah and Lalimacefolle, of course. Lol.

[aiwass]

There is also a guy in my class who is AMAZINGLY fast. He can't really play lead, but he is probably one of the fastest down-pickers in the world!! I mean, he's faster than anything James Hetfield ever did! Or anyone else I've heard....

[^Chacron^]

This thread is still going?? Ive been away too long!

Faster than hetfield? Is that actually possible? Maybe Mustain can go a bit faster but after that how could you hear the seperate notes?....some people who play fast just do it to a ridiculous extent...speed is a useful thing to have but only if u use it properly......ok thats probably been said already but im NOT reading all the way through two hundred and sumfing freakin posts!

[Raskolnikov]

There are a lot of players faster than Hetfield. Dave Mustaine too.

You're right about speed not being the ultimate measure of a good guitarist though.

[Edited by Raskolnikov on 04-22-2002 at 06:52 PM]

[aiwass]

I know that both dimebag darrell and Dave Mustaine and of course Noodles from Offspring are all faster than Hetfield. The thing is, though, except for maybe Noodles, I think my friend Matti (a ninth grader) beats most of 'em. He is ****in scary! He and his band were playing "Last resort" by papa roach, but at around 1.5-2 times the speed. And he was playing the main sixteenth-note scale-like riff using ONLY downstrokes! And without messing up or getting tired!

[albo]

The fastest guitarists I have heard are all no named players. The best pickers/legato/sweep players I have heard are all in person. It is a scary thought to think of how many people can play as fast as petrucci/yngwie and such.

[ControlledChaos]

Anyone who plays a papa roach song deserves to never be named in a fast shredder thread. Also, they deserve to be shot.

Jon Levassuer is so freaking fast it blows my darned mind. He beats the heck out of most people mentioned in this thread.

[u10ajf]

I've just got some Shawn lane, if jazz rock shredding is your scene this guy is a good bet, pretty unreal, bits remind me of Eric Johnsson, bits of Satriani, bits of Michael Romeo, bits of Pettrucci, bits of Holdsworth..
This guy is scary. Some of what he plays is quite musical also. Personally I prefer Shaun Baxter - another fusion player. Nobody mentioned him, he kicks soooo much asss.

[aiwass]

No-one here said that papa roach were good. But playing last resort on double speed using downstrokes is something not everyone can do....

[Raskolnikov]

Originally posted by aiwass
No-one here said that papa roach were good. But playing last resort on double speed using downstrokes is something not everyone can do....

And let's not forget the "grows up and tastes change" factor. He's a kid! Give him a break.

[guitplyr87]

You cant prove that one guitarist is faster than the other, so stop degrading guitarists. Only some are true virtuosos and sure as hell rise above others. Here is MY list of top guitar players of our time...
KIRK HAMMETT- my hero/idol (SICK ASS virtuoso - "Dyers Eve" for example, but that aint **** to what he does on live shows, you have to really see Kirk play, i hate it when people always base him on the Enter Sandman solo, this guy has no limits) MICHAEL ANGELO- excellent player ("No Boundaries" is a good example) JAKE E. LEE- sick ass player (check out "Bark At The Moon", sick solo).

Vai, Van Halen, Satriani, Rhoads, etc... all legends... but Hammett, Angelo, and Lee are at the top of my list.

if anybody knows any sites with good wallpapers of all these guitarists e-mail me at cacors@att.net

PEACE!

[zepp_rules]

Originally posted by guitplyr87
You cant prove that one guitarist is faster than the other, so stop degrading guitarists.

PEACE!


wow, this is a blast from the past!


actually we can prove who's faster, we can count how many notes per second they play. other than that, you're right, we can't prove who's better

[Catcher]

steve vai....

why u ask?

ever listened to "the elusive light and sound, Vol. 1"....I mean really listened to all of it?

jee-bus, that man can run!

[chris mood]

I was hoping this thread was dead and buried! -LOL-

[aiwass]

Calling Kirk Hammett a sick-ass virtuoso is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard...

[Zeppelin]

Originally posted by aiwass
Calling Kirk Hammett a sick-ass virtuoso is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard...

lol
:D

[Kirk_Aimar]

kirk is a gd guitarist but certainly not a SICKASS-VIRTUSO certainly not..

[aiwass]

With people like Holdsworth, Lane, Marcel Coenen, and Michael Romeo out there, I think the term should be used sparingly...

[guitplyr87]

you see, Kirk is a virtuoso, and he happens to be one of the greatest guitar players around. if you deny that, thats just plain ignorance. you guys dont know about his guitar playing, you havent seen what he can do on guitar. 99 percent of people refer to his guitar technique to stuff like Enter Sandman, thats ridiculous. just because youve never seen kirk play in the style of Malmsteen doesnt mean he cant play the stuff he can. its stupid when people post dumbass comments saying one guitar player is better than the other, thats complete bull****. you people gotta realize everything you are saying is YOUR opinion. there is NO PROOF that one is better than the other. live with that FACT. when i posted my last reply yesterday, i just said those were my fav players, i never said they were better than anyone else. hammett, angelo, and lee are my fav guitarists. and Vai happens to be one of my influences just as well and i know how he plays and how good he is, so whoever took it in a bad way... i DIDNT degrade Vai's playing. thats the main problem with these types of forums. no one excepts anyones opinions, so everybody just chill.

[trendkillah]

Originally posted by guitplyr87
you see, Kirk is a virtuoso, and he happens to be one of the greatest guitar players around. if you deny that, thats just plain ignorance.

See, like you said somewhere in your post, it's all a matter of opinion. Your opinion is that Kirk is one of the greatest around, but does that make someone who does not agree with that opinion ignorant? Nope, it does not. If anything, it's ignorant to call people who do not agree with your opinion ignorant.

Personally I think Kirk is great at what he does, the perfect man for the job, but I do not think his guitarplaying is all that good.

Forums like these often end up in fights because people tend to express their own ideas and opinions as facts, which very easily irritates people.

[Slow Diver]

I generally have noticed that people here in GT arenot the greatest fans of Kirk.
But it is a matter of opinion, you are right.
Also matter of age. I notice that there are not too many people above lets say 18 who consider hammet a god.

[Kirk_Aimar]

Yeah chill people :D

[guitplyr87]

You're right, I'm sorry about that. My words backfired in a way. It's all good, Kirk just happens to be one of my influences and in my opinion I think he is one of the best. Some will agree, some won't. It's really all opinions, but it's all good homes. Anyways, I was wondering if anybody knows of a good site for me to download video clips on Michael Angelo. If anyone knows please e-mail me at cacors@att.net.

[aiwass]

You can find lots of Angelo clips on Kazaa.

[guitplyr87]

Alright, thanks man.

[kristian]

yup, shawn lane is definitely the fastest ive seen so far. i wouldnt recommend any of his major albums though. try to get his instructional videos...... amazing!! but he's fast because of his wierd approach to scales. if we're talkin about how many notes per sec, i think frank gambale is a top contender. as for yngwie, i think michael angelo is faster than him, plus angelo has endurance in his passages. i think impelliteri sounds dirty, makes you wonder if hes hitting the notes correctly. with that in mind, i think petrucci kicks ass. speed and ACCURACY is his thing plus i think hes getting faster everyday. hey anybody remember that kid who used to say that he can play 53 notes per second?? whatever happened to him?? he posted that tread here about a year ago

[MikeP.]

My vote goes to two guys:
Joe Stump (Very Yngwie influenced)
Michael Angelo (I know how most of you guys feel about him...but give credit where credit is do...He shreds.Pluss he's in Guinness records)And the one video most of you guys have seen of him does not even do him justice.

[MikeP.]

Shawn Lane is great too...but not the fastest. I respect him and his work but his style is not for me...I'm more of a metal/neoclassical guy.
Buckethead is faster (me ducks to dodge any foreign object thrown my way...lol). It took me awhile to get used to him...but man that guy can play..pluss he's funky as hell. I used to wonder if he was Paul gilbert but realised not because of the curly hair. Marty Friedman maybe? I just know this guy has to be someone we all know because he has to hide his face all the time.

[aiwass]

Buckethead has a real name. I forget what it was, but I read it in an interview with him. Pretty ordinary name. He's an ordinary guy, and he's not famous for being anything else than Buckethead. He was one of Paul Gilbert's STUDENTS though.

[zepp_rules]

i think his name is Scott McGill, but i'm not sure

[aiwass]

Angelo isn't in Guiness'. Marcus Paus is. If it's speed you mean, that is. I guess Angelo is the only one to play both left and right handed from both sides of the neck;)

[SLY]

Dudes, where is that goddamn Guiness category for the fast guitarist bullsh*t ???
I've been searching for decades and found nothing !

Michael Angelo kicks butt when it comes to both speed and showing off ... I've heard Paus work with Mr. Cucumber , and it's pretty funny and sloppy to be called shred + it's not even close to Angelo's speed.
Frankly I have doubt that Mr. Cucumber fast stuff is manipulated by some software to be fast , and it's obviously blurry which feeds my doubts.
But when it comes to Angelo , his picking is noticiable , and every note is crystal clear even at his fastest moments.

Check out Angelo's "Full Force" from 1:40 and you'll know what speed and accuracy I mean.

[zepo]

Michael "Angelo" Batio's Planet Gemini - listen when he breaks into the acoustic stuff about middle way through the song, absolutely mind blowing. Plus being able to do what he does with both hands.....i mean come on, song titles like "Yngwie Can't touch this" 'nough said =P. Just remember anyone that fast has no soul!! heh

[aiwass]

Paus was much faster than Angelo. But his technique was sloppy, and not very versatile. I doubt he could sweep very well. Angelo is the man when accuracy counts. Except George Bellas of course. He smokes Angelo.

[guitplyr87]

Buckethead is a good player, but in my opinion... he'll never put the vibe and feel that Slash put into the songs for GNR. Also, I've been hearing **** that Buckethead is really Slash. I highly doubt that "rumor", so if anyone can clarify that for me...

[zepo]

Buckethead is NOT Slash, Big B has been doing his own thing for over 10 years now......seriously check it out, oh his real name is Brian....crap had a brain fart on his last name...... Brian Campbell or Chapman...or some other C name grrrrr can't remember, anyhoo he's not Slash so smack whoever told you that.

[SLY]

And what is cool about being fast while you're not even in controle of what notes are coming out of your amp ? :confused: It makes no sense.
Shredding means to play fast and precise.

Or else we'll have to count the chaotic out-of-tune crap Kerry King plays as shredding !

[Raskolnikov]

Originally posted by SLY
And what is cool about being fast while you're not even in controle of what notes are coming out of your amp ? :confused: It makes no sense.
Shredding means to play fast and precise.

Or else we'll have to count the chaotic out-of-tune crap Kerry King plays as shredding !
You're reminding me of New Year's Eve right now...

Some people hate nothing more than to be told they're wrong and then have it proven to them.
And sometimes I'm too drunk to defend myself.

To quote Bill Cosby: "I don't remember anything after that."

[SLY]

Originally posted by Raskolnikov
Some people hate nothing more than to be told they're wrong and then have it proven to them.


And that refers to me ? :confused:

[Raskolnikov]

Nope, not at all.

A). I think we agree for the most part on the facts, but disagree on what the facts mean.
B). You've never headbutted then strangled me.

Disgruntled Slayer fans suck.