Rhoads Vs. Halen

[guitargod420]

ive noticed that alot of tricks say van halen is better
that rhoads or rhoads was better than van halen
the simple fact is how do u people even compare
rhoads with van halen rhoads was clearly a way better
guitar player than van halen. i mean clearly what it is
is that i think all u van halen lovers never even gave rhoads a chance so for all u people who say van halen is
better than rhoads explain your thoughts:

[zepp_rules]

i used to think van halen was better. however, i started listening more and more to randy, and i disovered more and more that he was really really good. some thingss i noticed were that van halen's tone and solos were all pretty similar, while Randy's varied a lot, take for example, Dee. also, randy had the knowledge and theory to go along with his music. he knew what he was doing, i doubt van halen knew as much as rhoads did. in my opinion Eddie is very good, but rhoads is much better.

[Led Zeppelin]

Rhoads played melodicly. Van Halen is just fast.

[chris mood]

Rhoads had great technique but Van Halen was more innovative. I'm not crazy about Heavy metal but I can listen to these two guys all day long, they both were(and are) great! Bring back David Lee Roth though.

[lalimacefolle]

Van Halen plays what he wants to play
Rhoads plays what he wants to play
I play what I want to play
Who cares who's better??? What's better in art?
Next thread, why orange is better than blue?

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by lalimacefolle
Next thread, why orange is better than blue?

Dont be stupid, idiot. Blue is clearly better.

[lalimacefolle]

yeah didn't think about it, but now I see....

[dev]

you guys think you are so good but you're not and don't compare guitar players because all of them have different styles

[stratman42]

Personally i take the view that they were equally good on guitar, but rhoads was a better musician, because he varied his stuff more, and had a wider musical range. Dont flame me for this, its just my opinion...

[polkadotfv]

Even though I prefer Randy's playing, to say who is better is pretty pointless as they both have their individual style

Kinda like comparing Bach to Beethoven?

[chris mood]

beethoven, hands down!

[guitargod420]

yes u guys r right about each guitarists having there individual styles but look at it like this
van halen would have a harder time playing rhoads stuff than rhoads would have playing van halens

[Willdridge]

I was about to throw a spanner in the works and say "Orange," however, I've reconsidered and seen the error of my ways - it soooooooo blue!!!
Seriously though, lalimacefolle had it right - what's better in art? Eddie probably caused a bigger stir when he was first around, but he's also had a few more years than Randy...
I'm not really choosing which is better, guitargod420 made a very interesting point, but you could argue that would Randy have been able to of [i]written[i] the thing Eddie played? More to the point - do we really care?! It all inspired a generation and then some, surely that's the point?...
Personally, I'd go with Randy, but I can't honestly say he was better as such...(God, I wish I knew what I meant!!!)
Your thoughts?...

[zepp_rules]

though i know i shouldn't when i compare guitarists on my own, the question i ask myself is similar to what guitargod420 said: would Rhoads be able to play Van Halen's stuff and vice-versa. My answer to this question, and i've done a lot of thinking since this post started, is that while i would like think rhoads is better, however, as guitarists i would have to say they're pretty equal. HOWEVER, as musicians, i would have to say Rhoads because of all his knowlegde about music theory, etc.

Nevertheless, it is difficult to compare guitarists especially one's with dfferent styles, and since every guitarist has a different style, it's nearly impossible.

[jack7]

Originally posted by zepp_rules
though i know i shouldn't when i compare guitarists on my own, the question i ask myself is similar to what guitargod420 said: would Rhoads be able to play Van Halen's stuff and vice-versa. My answer to this question, and i've done a lot of thinking since this post started, is that while i would like think rhoads is better, however, as guitarists i would have to say they're pretty equal. HOWEVER, as musicians, i would have to say Rhoads because of all his knowlegde about music theory, etc.

Nevertheless, it is difficult to compare guitarists especially one's with dfferent styles, and since every guitarist has a different style, it's nearly impossible. steve vai can smoke both of them at the same time!!!!!!!!! JACK7

[guitargod420]

dude steve vai has nothing to do with this post, and what the hell are u talking about the same time u dont make no sense man and many guitarists are just as fast or not faster than steve vai but speed is another issue

[Edited by guitargod420 on 11-12-2001 at 07:39 PM]

[Led Zeppelin]

Alvin Lee = Faster than Vai

[lalimacefolle]

but gosh, I wish I had his hair!!!

Speed has nothing to do with talent... And Vai has TONS of it.

(ps: if you don't believe me, check out my site click on the little house below!!)

[chris mood]

do you mean speed, talent, or hair?

[lalimacefolle]

Well, after giving it some thought, he actually has TONS of the three

[jack7]

Originally posted by guitargod420
dude steve vai has nothing to do with this post, and what the hell are u talking about the same time u dont make no sense man and many guitarists are just as fast or not faster than steve vai but speed is another issue

[Edited by guitargod420 on 11-12-2001 at 07:39 PM] OK your right steve vai has nothing to do with this site. But why compair? Just admire what each has done. I myself dont care who's better. their both great players. But Randy played with emotion. Not anything else. jack7

[chris mood]

Okay you ready? Steve Vai or Joe Satriani?

1 vote placed for Satch here!

[lalimacefolle]

Jack BUTLER or Karate Kid

[Led Zeppelin]

Live or Let Die?

[jack7]

Originally posted by chris mood
Okay you ready? Steve Vai or Joe Satriani?

1 vote placed for Satch here! Well steve studied from joe along time ago. But steve progressed far beyond joe but dont get me wrong joe is awesome. Have you ever seen the movie CROSSROADS with steve. he's the devil's guitar player check it out. jack7

[chris mood]

seen it
I also saw the G3 tour with satch, vai, and johnson (I got to go backstage afterwards and hang w/the guys thanx to a promotional offer through Ibanez...Eric Johnson is one hell of a nice guy)
Check out the new DVD by Satch entitled Live in Sanfrancisco then get back to me!

[stratman42]

the glass: half-full or half-empty?

[Willdridge]

Personally - (and this is my preference!) I'd prefer Joe. Now, I'd also say that Steve could smoke Joe out of the water in most cases -- but, here's the most important bit, here you have two very, very talented guitarist, musicians and what-not, but you also have two guys who respect and admire each other and each other's work! My point is you often see these two as rivals, "Is Satch better than Vai, is Steve better than Joe?..." But in reality, here you have two of the closest friend ever. Their respect and mutual admiration is something I think we can all learn from - it's not about who's better, it about feeling something from and in the music!!!
There's my two pence...

[Edited by Willdridge on 11-15-2001 at 03:56 PM]

[stratman42]

Well said.

[jerk]

Sorry but i dont kno what "music theory" is, can u please expalin it to me?

[jack7]

Originally posted by Willdridge
Personally - (and this is my preference!) I'd prefer Joe. Now, I'd also say that Steve could smoke Joe out of the water in most cases -- but, here's the most important bit, here you have two very, very talented guitarist, musicians and what-not, but you also have two guys who respect and admire each other and each other's work! My point is you often see these two as rivals, "Is Satch better than Vai, is Steve better than Joe?..." But in reality, here you have two of the closest friend ever. Their respect and mutual admiration is something I think we can all learn from - it's not about who's better, it about feeling something from and in the music!!!
There's my two pence...

[Edited by Willdridge on 11-15-2001 at 03:56 PM] hear,hear...jack7

[stratman42]

Its understanding how music works, how it fits together, different keys, harmonising and many other things both more complex and more simple...

[jack7]

Originally posted by jerk
Sorry but i dont kno what "music theory" is, can u please expalin it to me? scales and modes! learn learn learn only then will we understand.

[jack7]

Originally posted by stratman42
Its understanding how music works, how it fits together, different keys, harmonising and many other things both more complex and more simple... I know what theory is jerk posted not jack7. thanks for trying.

[stratman42]

Ah, yes. I see now. Sorry about that...

[jack7]

Originally posted by stratman42
Ah, yes. I see now. Sorry about that...
quite alright rock on.

[serling]

Originally posted by guitargod420
ive noticed that alot of tricks say van halen is better
that rhoads or rhoads was better than van halen
the simple fact is how do u people even compare
rhoads with van halen rhoads was clearly a way better
guitar player than van halen. i mean clearly what it is
is that i think all u van halen lovers never even gave rhoads a chance so for all u people who say van halen is
better than rhoads explain your thoughts:

Well, I believe that it is like this. A drastic analogy would be to compare Chuck Berry(van Halen) with Andre Segovia(Rhoads). Segovia is obviously a much more thought out player but Berry is and has a natural charismatic gift that only comes from god. Despite Segovias technique and musical genious, we are in fact talking about rock n roll here and it is traditionally played with the groin not the brain.

[jerk]

Hey, who is Ozzy's guitar player??? Is that Zakk or is that Randy, i dont see anything different between theses guys

[zepp_rules]

Zakk Wylde is currently Ozzy's guitarist. He's had three guitarists in his solo career, Randy Rhoads, Jake Lee, and Zakk Wylde. There is a difference between Rhoads and Wylde in their style and tone. Rhoads tends to be a lot more classically influenced. Whereas Zakk,(i;m pretty sure) uses pentatonics. You really gotta listen to the songs in order to tell the difference.

[jack7]

Originally posted by zepp_rules
Zakk Wylde is currently Ozzy's guitarist. He's had three guitarists in his solo career, Randy Rhoads, Jake Lee, and Zakk Wylde. There is a difference between Rhoads and Wylde in their style and tone. Rhoads tends to be a lot more classically influenced. Whereas Zakk,(i;m pretty sure) uses pentatonics. You really gotta listen to the songs in order to tell the difference. Im NOT jerk Im JACK7...

[jack7]

Originally posted by jerk
Hey, who is Ozzy's guitar player??? Is that Zakk or is that Randy, i dont see anything different between theses guys Hey DUDE CHANGE YOUR NAME. I keep getting your E-Mails.

[guitargod420]

man, how can u not tell the difference between Zakk and Rhandy lol, the big difference is that Zakk beleive it or not is a better guitar player than rhandy and there whole style is different Rhoads was more classical and Zakk is more blues based/heavy metal

and ozzy had 4 guitarists in his solo career,
Rhandy Rhoads, Jake E. Lee, ZAkk Wylde and Joe Holmes
now theres a fu#kin Guitarists Joe Holmes by far the fastests guitarist anybody will ever hear Joe was actually taought by rhandy rhoads and is now and has been attending the Rhandy Rhoads School of Guitar his style is kinda like Zakks but his own in a way

[zepp_rules]

Oop!, hadn't heard of Joe Holmes. Sorry, my fault.

[jerk]

but looks like i never seen Randy... Can anyone tell me in which Ozzy's videos feat. Randy??? I see not much, only mama im coming home n road to nowhere... i dont know who the guitar player is!!! Really no diea... he's using the Randy signature Les Paul (the one with the rounds in side) but my freinds told me that's Zakk! It's crazy

[guitargod420]

Rhandy is featured in the Crazy Train video or just bye ozzys new cd and theres like this special feature thing u can watch on your computer its pretty bad ass and yea its zakk on the mama im coming home and road to now where
peace

[trebledamage]

To compare Van Halen and Randy Rhoads on a talent level is really kind of pointless. They were both talented innovative guitar players. However, if you take a look at what their arrival onto the music scene meant to music, I would argue that Van Halen spawned the whole 80's heavy metal era (with the exception of punk based metal), while Randy Rhoads was merely a very bright spot during that era. Before Eddie Van Halen, I think you would be hard pressed to find a guitarist who would have been characterized as a shredder. I don't think that the whole shredder concept was even in existence before Van Halen arrived on the scene. (Not to take anything away from guys like Hendrix or Beck--incredible guitar players, but never characterized as shredders), Plus Eddie brought the whole hammer-on, pull-off, tapping concept to the forefront of electric guitar. No one was doing what he was doing on the guitar prior to his arrival on the scene. However, I think you can argue that Van Halen also spawned bands, such as Poison, Bon Jovi, Warrant and White Lion, just to name an unpleasant few. That alone earns Randy a big point in his favor. Also, Randy Rhoads never completely sold out, unlike Van Halen, who tried to peddle Gary Cheronne as the next best thing since sliced bread. Shame on you Eddie !!!

[jack7]

I know my history too. P.S. Im not jerk I am the one the only JACK 7!!!!!!!!

[Squierman]

After reading and listening to both these talented musicians, I would have to go with Van Halen. Everyone has mentioned that Rhoades knew music theory, that he's slightly better and he played far more difficult music. However, no one has mentioned the fact that Van Halen was a classically trained pianist which in a way formed the basis of his music. After taking his music and translating it from tab to the piano, some of his solos could easily be mistaken for classical music. Van Halen influenced rock guitar more, lets face it by mixing a modern sound to the influence of older music. Anyway, Van Halen could play more than just heavy metal, which seemed to be rhoades restriction.

[zepp_rules]

Have you even heard Dee, his classical guitar solo. Also towards the end of his life he was deeply into classical guitar and contemplated quiting ozzy's band so he could play it full time. in addition he thought about going to college to get his masters in music theory.

the only reason eddy is considered revolutionary is because he got there first. maybe if ozzy was thrown out of black sabbath earlier, rhoads may have been first. rhoads developed his style on his own, and did not copy from eddy. as guitarists i'd say they're pretty much equal.

[lalimacefolle]

this thread is still going on....... GO and PRACTICE, you bunch of wackos... lol
By the way, I think I kick Randy's ass, and that my sound is better than eddie's...

[PittbullBlue]

I too do not really want to compare the two for they both have different styles...but, like everyone else... I think Randy would have much more ease playing Eddies music than eddie would his. Just my opinion. It never counts for anything. :)

[guitarking]

halen any day better
best part halen still lives !!!!

[trebledamage]

This thread is like that Miller Light commercial: "Less Filling...Tastes Great.....Less Filling,.... Tastes Great..."

[Sivert Skaaren]

Actually i think a norwegian guy with the name Paus (not Ole) got the world record.. but his music sux..
I would say Jason Becker, Shawn Lane, Petrucci, Gilbert, Romeo, Tony MacAlpine, Greg Howe, Vinnie Moore.. etc.. u really can't say who is fastest of thoose guys..

btw.. Holdsworth is good.. really good..

Malmsteen ain't that fast.. but personally i like his playingstyle.. he was the first.. and will allways have a place in my heart.. Still, guys like Romeo plays very similar, and faster.. (I'm not going to say who is best, cause i can't really say decide, Best ain't the same as Fastest, still i like SyX more than RF..)

Sivert Skaaren
(aka Acron)

[jack7]

Originally posted by trebledamage
This thread is like that Miller Light commercial: "Less Filling...Tastes Great.....Less Filling,.... Tastes Great..." Your right on the money dude!!