new guitar or new amp or both

[den myos]

a couple of months ago a buyed a guitar starter kit, (fender squier showmaster, fender 15 frontmaster amp). im thinking of buying a new amp, cause there isn't really much rock/metal sound in that amp. As a newbie i get a totally kick out of those amp with alot of effect and sounds, like spider II and vox. but should'nt i really buy a amp with no effect's instead, and get the effect from pedal's alone.?

question 2:
is it dumb to buy a new amp, when i still have a low budget guitar.
should'nt i buy, a new amp and a new guitar at the same time.

[suicidalmoose]

it's alllllll a matter of budget! if you're a newbie i'd buy an amp with some modelling in it just to get a bit of a confidence boost out of your guitar work, as you start getting more advanced you'd have to look into getting a guitar that suits you and has the write gear on it.

In terms of the amp you can also just get a modeller like a pod and plug it in to your existing amp but if you must have a new amp then go a line 6 or a roland cube for the modelling.

My understandin is that your guitar has single coil pickups which might not distort so well if they're the cheaper noisier kind, so that would be the only reason for upgrading your guitar so early in the game.

Pedal effects are EXPENSIVE and it's best waiting a while so that you know what you want and how you want it set up otherwise you're going to buy a heap of pedals and realise that you can do without some but you desperately need others. plus there's just that feeling you get from amp overdrive even if it is a transistor amp, i dunno it's just kinda cool :).

I take it you're looking to play some hard rock?

[markc2005]

id say to start with go for a amp and make sure it has a effects loop then if you get tired of the sound again you can start adding pedals in and efects processors......
if you get one with digital effects built it doesnt sto you adding others
or if you have a lot of money to spend go for a tube combo but they do cost alot.

changing your pickups might help and it would be cheaper than getting a new guitar, if you just get a humbucker for the bridge it will cancel alot of the noise and will give u a more distorted sound

[suicidalmoose]

with the whole pickups thing i was sort of amused at how you'd manage to fit a humbucker in a guitar that only has room for single coils, but then of course i realised you can get single coil sized humbuckers! so you can get massive distortion from something that's the size of a single coil. i think emg and some other companies make em. fx loop's not a bad idea, i'm not sure that the line 6 spiders have those.

[markc2005]

with the whole pickups thing i was sort of amused at how you'd manage to fit a humbucker in a guitar that only has room for single coils, but then of course i realised you can get single coil sized humbuckers!

whoops u realized that before me, guess i just thought S-S-H since thats what my strat has
hot rails or something would work though.
emg's are ment to be good for metal and rock

doesnt look like the spider2 has a loop, they can always be put in series.
marshall mg30 and upwards has the loop but might not have enough distortion for you, pretty good for classic rock sounds though

[suicidalmoose]

i've got a roland microcube with COSM modelling and it distorts pretty well but its crap for mucking around with sound because it doesn't have even a basic equalizer, however however - it is awesome for it's size and it's solid as anything - try one out next time you go to the guitar store.

[den myos]

you guys are going in circle's, whats a loop.:-)

[Lordathestrings]

You can get more tonal variety from 1 guitar and several amps than from 1 amp and several guitars.

That said, its nice to have a lotsa guitars and lotsa amps! :D

[markc2005]

you guys are going in circle's, whats a loop.:-)

sorry, its all about effects
basically an amplifier is in two sections, pre-amp and power-amp, and you plug your guitar input goes to the pre-amp stage which has all the bells and whistle ie distortion, and effects ect and the power amp just makes it louder, the effects loop basically bipasses the preamp stage so your tone isnt coloured by the pre-amp and it i then mostly from your guitar and effects

[suicidalmoose]

to be honest if ure not using a digital modeller, don't bother with the loop, pedals go well in front of a preamp and if you get a modelling amp like a line 6 spider (which by the way is pretty cheap so you shouldn't complain about it not having an effects loop) you won't miss anything.