death lingers

[jeffhx]

past few dyas have been creepy...firstly there was this car accident my friends got into...they almost died...well one of them at least...he broke 2 legs and an arm...theother beside him got a badly cracked face...the other 2 at the back just suffered minor injuries...the guy that crashed into them however, died on the spot, 19 yr old kid...and then a friend of mine had this guy who lived above her in her apartment...commited suicide and landed on her balcony...far out...on the way back from a club on friday i thought i was gonna be killed by a terrorist while being in a train on the way home...this dude was giving a speech abt God , life and his wife...middle eastern appearance...then just today...another group of friends of mine...drove past the crash site my other friends were in...they were returning from dinner..they saw apillow on the street sothey thought it belonged to my friend that was involved in the crash...they picked it up...halfway through they realised it could be the dead kid's and freaked so the threw it far out from the car window while driving...they were on their way to send a friend home...when that friend of mine stepped out of the car, he tripped whenhe saw that blood stained pillow stuck to the car door.. sandwhiched in between the car door and the car...

wow...made me realise a few things...i thought i was never afraidof death...now i realised otherwise...also it made me think that ive taken life for granted...u guys ever had such an experience before?

[earthman buck]

That right there is downright terrifying, Josh. Maybe you should lay low for a bit until the Reaper fills its quota.

[rockstarallstar]

forget about it,its just pure coincidence,go live life have fun,get a new amp,go chill,do whatever,death will find all of us one day,but today is not the day. :D

[pure]

forget about it,its just pure coincidence,go live life have fun,get a new amp,go chill,do whatever,death will find all of us one day,but today is not the day. :D

since you said my name i might as well say something about death and such.
this could be a sign that somebody you love will die or get hurt tragically
physically or emotionally. either a divorce or something or an actual death.
or its just pure coincidence.

one thing to know about death and why im not afraid of death is because i
know
how death feels like...

Summer of 2003 i was racing my friends on bikes. we were playing follow the
leader when one decided to skin my tire. he succeded so i wanted my
revenge so i attempted to skin his tire. when i was attempting this, my friend
took a left turn into a downhill dead end and he followed. right when he was
taking that turn i was trying to skin his tire and he hit his brakes and my tire
missed and hit his pegs, i tried to stop but i couldnt. i remembered i had no
brakes so i said "i have no bra-" and suddenly life paused as if when you're
going to sleep and you wake up a second later when in fact you've slept all
night. i felt no pain at all. i could remember nothing. i had felt what it is to be
dead. thats all i remember of that morning.

5 minutes after, my short coma ended i woke up, blood all over my face,
blood in my eyes, my lip was torn apart from my nose, cuts all over my face, i
broke my two front lower teeth in half revealing the nerves, my right hand
had 3 one square inch scars, i looked at my left hand and saw my watch. the
glass was so cut up and scratched i couldnt even read the time. imagine
what would have happened to that hand if the watch wasnt there. Yet I Felt
No Pain At All. i asked "what day is it" and the younger one who was leading
the race earlier said "monday" then i asked again and again and they said
monday and monday. So when you're dead you definitely have no memory of
ever living cause i was in deep sleep for 5 minutes and i couldnt remember.

the point of the story is, we live thinking we never die and we die tinking we
never lived. cut it out. when you die, sure it will be extremely painful if the
death is not from old age, but then again, after death you will feel absolutely
no pain and remember nothing. life never existed. you never existed. you'll
just be the exact same way you were before you were born. can you
remember the time before you were born? what were you thinking? what were
you? were you anything? the answer is that you were nothing before birth
and if you were something before you were born then thats how it will feel
when you're dead. you won't feel. no senses. no touch, no taste, no sight, no
sound, no smell. no memory, little to none brain activity which you wont even
know youre thinking because you're lifeless.

[Cryptic Excretions]

wow...made me realise a few things...i thought i was never afraidof death...now i realised otherwise...also it made me think that ive taken life for granted...u guys ever had such an experience before?
Is it death you fear? Or the process of dying? Personally I don't fear the concept of being dead, but as a normal, functioning human being, I have instincts for survival so in a life threatening situation I, too, would fear dying, but being dead... well... since I personally don't really buy into anything afterlife related I can't say I find anything to be afraid of. But you can rest assured, that you're a healthy, properly functioning human being.

[Cryptic Excretions]

That right there is downright terrifying, Josh. Maybe you should lay low for a bit until the Reaper fills its quota.
Booo... if the reaper's coming do you want to die cowering in fear? Or would you rather go doing something awesome like Hulk Smashing stuff?

[jeffhx]

now that pure's mentioned it...makes sense....as long as i dont die in pain i wudn mind... and u scared the crap outta me when u said it were signs of something happening...which could be true..which im hoping not...but all these freak events...almost final destination-like...hell...i might be the one to go next even...if u guys realised i havent been posting all of a sudden...then u know... :o

[Cryptic Excretions]

now that pure's mentioned it...makes sense....as long as i dont die in pain i wudn mind... and u scared the crap outta me when u said it were signs of something happening...which could be true..which im hoping not...but all these freak events...almost final destination-like...hell...i might be the one to go next even...if u guys realised i havent been posting all of a sudden...then u know... :o
That would just depend on how much you believe in religion. Myself being a hardcore nihilist I don't buy into anything remotely spiritual so just because there've been deaths near you doesn't mean anything, in my opinion. I mean, people die all the time. It's just how life works. It's how life ends and it happens at all times and all places. Not much you can do about it.

[GuitarPsy]

I share Cryptic's believes. I do fear dying, but I do not fear death.

It's typically human though, we all fear the unknown, but some have come to accept it, or do not waste any thought over it, go live your life, seize the day, make every second count and then I also mean joy and sadness, if you never cried, you never lived

[pure]

I share Cryptic's believes. I do fear dying, but I do not fear death.

It's typically human though, we all fear the unknown, but some have come to accept it, or do not waste any thought over it, go live your life, seize the day, make every second count and then I also mean joy and sadness, if you never cried, you never lived

whats ironic about that is babies cry when they're born so if you've never cried, you've really never lived.

[rockonn91]

not all babies cry. thats just impossible. what if it was born with no vocal cords? would it be dead? didnt think so.

but dude. jeff... thats like a horror movie. I would have signed myself into an asylum by that point, man. your a trooper.

[Lordathestrings]

When I was a kid, I could not imagine living past the age of 30. Really. I just couldn't picture anything happening past that point.

So I wasted most of my 29th year counting down to my 30th Birthday. And I woke up that morning not feeling any different. And life went on. For two years.

Then I rode eastbound out of the setting sun into the side of a southbound car whose driver was blinded by that sunset. I woke up in hospital. I thought that not only was I two years late in dying, but I had somehow failed to do so. And life went on.

I still ride a 1200 cc sport bike.

When its your time, you die.

Not before then.

Not after.

The moment is structured thus.

[pure]

not all babies cry. thats just impossible. what if it was born with no vocal cords? would it be dead? didnt think so.

but dude. jeff... thats like a horror movie. I would have signed myself into an asylum by that point, man. your a trooper.

but then again you can't really enjoy all life has to give if you cannot speak. talking is a big part of life. i have tried again and again to go a day without saying a single word. never happened. you'll still be alive but you wont enjoy everything life has to give. so if you have not cried you have not lived.

[PonyOne]

When I was a kid, I could not imagine living past the age of 30. Really. I just couldn't picture anything happening past that point.

So I wasted most of my 29th year counting down to my 30th Birthday. And I woke up that morning not feeling any different. And life went on. For two years.

Then I rode eastbound out of the setting sun into the side of a southbound car whose driver was blinded by that sunset. I woke up in hospital. I thought that not only was I two years late in dying, but I had somehow failed to do so. And life went on.

I still ride a 1200 cc sport bike.

When its your time, you die.

Not before then.

Not after.

The moment is structured thus.
best way to look at it.

we can definitely do things to try to take us out of the way of our ultimate fate and delay the process, but ultimately, it's the only thing in which all human beings are bound together: we all die. to quote one of my favorite book lines, over a long enough period of time, everyone's life expectancy drops to zero.

I fear more people and creatures close to me dying than I do my own death, primarily because I will not be around to be concerned with it whereas dealing with the permenant loss of someone close is a difficult thing. I've done it many times, and it's just not pleasant, ever.

[earthman buck]

When I was a kid, I could not imagine living past the age of 30. Really. I just couldn't picture anything happening past that point.

So I wasted most of my 29th year counting down to my 30th Birthday. And I woke up that morning not feeling any different. And life went on. For two years.

Then I rode eastbound out of the setting sun into the side of a southbound car whose driver was blinded by that sunset. I woke up in hospital. I thought that not only was I two years late in dying, but I had somehow failed to do so. And life went on.

I still ride a 1200 cc sport bike.

When its your time, you die.

Not before then.

Not after.

The moment is structured thus.
That's interesting. I can't picture anything in my life happening beyond the age of 17. And I turn 17 in just over a month.

By the way, LatS, I notice you broke the 5,000 barrier. Congratulations. Maybe there's hope for us all after all. :)

[Cryptic Excretions]

but then again you can't really enjoy all life has to give if you cannot speak. talking is a big part of life. i have tried again and again to go a day without saying a single word. never happened. you'll still be alive but you wont enjoy everything life has to give. so if you have not cried you have not lived.
Perhaps the original statement would've been best kept as a metaphorical statement. If someone is born incapable of talking then they're unable to receive everything that is possible in life. However, that doesn't mean you haven't lived. What means you've lived is what you've gotten out of life for yourself.

The initial interpretation I'd gotten out of it is that we're all alive and we all go through specific things that are natural in life. Happiness, sadness, and the rest of the human emotions are all things that we feel in the course of life. How we show them (crying, screaming, singing, whatever) is just determined by who the person is. Just because you can't cry doesn't mean you can't feel sad.

[GuitarPsy]

I think that you haven't lived if you've kept out all the emotions and experiences that makes life worth living and this differs for each individually.

For me personally, I'm a bit melodramatic at time, but I face my feelings and the things that I would normally turn away from, it's very difficult but afterwards you realise how much you've learned and how great you feel because you faced your demons and came out allright

[pure]

some rep should be nice... for my first post... it helped..


alot of you summarised it to a simpler form: i am not afraid of being dead, but i am afraid of death itself. its human instinct to survive. its human instinct to fear the unknown. and nature has proven some have come to accept the unknown and good things came from it, and bad. like fire. when fire was first seen by man, he was afraid of it. it had complete power over him. it could kill him, burn his territory, and food. but once man accepted fire and learned to control fire, he could use it for marvelous wonders like cooked food, which was faster to chew and digest, which saves time eating and getting energy from food (it took an hour to chew meat like chicken, then even more time to digest), and much healthier than raw meats, and you dont need to eat as much cooked food as you do raw. but with controlled fire came the power to destroy. with the nature of man's qualities like greed and survival, man used fire to destroy other territories and kill competition.

death is an unaccepted fear. man hates pain. man is convinced death is painful. so man doesnt want to die. but what of there is something after death that is far better than life here with its nuclear wars? but thats not what i'm trying to say. i'm trying to say that i believe when we die we either go to heaven or hell, some people believe we get reborn into another person, or reincarnation, or we are at the same state of mind before we were born. unexistant.

just enjoy life because you may die tomorrow. or even the next minute. but dont enjoy too much because what if you use all you have and are left with nothing and you don't die until you're in your 120's? life's gonna suck for a hobo. just live as if you know death exists, but you'll let it come when it comes. people die every day. your time will come too.

[Lordathestrings]

That's interesting. I can't picture anything in my life happening beyond the age of 17. And I turn 17 in just over a month.I have come to the conclusion that not being able to imagine anything beyond a certain point simply indicates the limits of one's imagination.

By the way, LatS, I notice you broke the 5,000 barrier. Congratulations. Maybe there's hope for us all after all. :) clicky >:D (http://www.guitartricks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18916)<

[Cryptic Excretions]

I have come to the conclusion that not being able to imagine anything beyond a certain point simply indicates the limits of one's imagination.

clicky >:D (http://www.guitartricks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18916)<
So, what happens after you've gone past the limits of your imagination? Do you get a new limit?

[Lordathestrings]

So, what happens after you've gone past the limits of your imagination? Do you get a new limit?

If you can only see for 20 feet in any direction, and you walk 20 feet from where you started, you can still only see for 20 feet in any direction, but a lot of what you can now see was hidden from you before.

[jeffhx]

Perhaps the original statement would've been best kept as a metaphorical statement. If someone is born incapable of talking then they're unable to receive everything that is possible in life. However, that doesn't mean you haven't lived. What means you've lived is what you've gotten out of life for yourself.


well there was a case study of this girl who was born blind and unable to speak...she was able to get a phd... sadly she died soon after... cant recall her name..it was quite some time ago..

fear of the unknown...yeah...when i was in that train..i had no clue wat the guy was intending to do...he was suspicious... he could be doing anything...he could be just sad about his life therefore he's giving a speech to everyone just to express himself... but it was because he had a middle eastern appearance...i correlated him to being a potential terrorist..which is horrible..i never thought i was such a person... to judge by appearances...i was against that...but after that i realised i wasnt cut out for what i thought id be...at all...i felt like crap...part of me thought that it could be just a mere coincidence that a middle eastern guy was talking about God and his wife...but i wasnt really paying attention to what he said before as i was listening to my ipod...i listened in hlfway...at the point he went ... 'we all live for God...therefore we must cherish Him...'

how can i not freak out?

[Lordathestrings]

well there was a case study of this girl who was born blind and unable to speak...she was able to get a phd... sadly she died soon after... cant recall her name..it was quite some time ago..Helen Keller?

...i correlated him to being a potential terrorist..which is horrible..i never thought i was such a person... to judge by appearances...i was against that...but after that i realised i wasnt cut out for what i thought id be...at all...i felt like crap...
Don't let political correctness make you willfully blind to what your instincts are trying to tell you. You can't assume that one person who seems to fit a pattern must therefore be dangerous, but it would be extremely foolish to ignore the possibility just because some people think it would be "nice" to do so.

[GuitarPsy]

So, what happens after you've gone past the limits of your imagination? Do you get a new limit?

hehe, that's a good one, and yeah you get a new limit, there's always a limit

[earthman buck]

Perhaps the original statement would've been best kept as a metaphorical statement. If someone is born incapable of talking then they're unable to receive everything that is possible in life. However, that doesn't mean you haven't lived. What means you've lived is what you've gotten out of life for yourself.
Here's something I've thought about often: If you are born without any of your 5 senses, are you living at all? The world you live in would be absolute nothingness, and you'd know nothing else.

Mind you, if you were born without any of the 5 senses, I don't think you'd make it very long. Still, it's something to think about.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Here's something I've thought about often: If you are born without any of your 5 senses, are you living at all? The world you live in would be absolute nothingness, and you'd know nothing else.
By the basic characteristics that determine "living" yes you would. Things like the need to eat, breathe, procreate and what have you. In that respect you're alive, but if you didn't have any of the 5 senses, then it'd be a pointless life.

Mind you, if you were born without any of the 5 senses, I don't think you'd make it very long. Still, it's something to think about.
What the crap? Correct me if I've misunderstood, but are you saying that if someone is missing any one of the 5 senses, then their life is going to be shorter or less profitable. In which case Ray Charles is the first one that comes to mind.

[earthman buck]

By the basic characteristics that determine "living" yes you would. Things like the need to eat, breathe, procreate and what have you. In that respect you're alive, but if you didn't have any of the 5 senses, then it'd be a pointless life.

What the crap? Correct me if I've misunderstood, but are you saying that if someone is missing any one of the 5 senses, then their life is going to be shorter or less profitable. In which case Ray Charles is the first one that comes to mind.
No, I meant missing all of the five senses. For example, how can a baby feed on breastmilk if it doesn't have the sense of touch to know when the nipple is touching its mouth?

I mean, obviously you can be missing some of the senses and still be alright. Look at Tommy. That deaf, dumb, and blind sure played a mean pinball.

[Cryptic Excretions]

No, I meant missing all of the five senses. For example, how can a baby feed on breastmilk if it doesn't have the sense of touch to know when the nipple is touching its mouth?
Oh, ok. I did misunderstand. I thought you were taking a different approach to it. Yeah, I doubt it'd be a very long existence. Think it'd be more humane to just put them to death? I mean, they won't feel it. Currently they're just a body laying around and shaking. There's no way they could learn anything.

[earthman buck]

Oh, ok. I did misunderstand. I thought you were taking a different approach to it. Yeah, I doubt it'd be a very long existence. Think it'd be more humane to just put them to death? I mean, they won't feel it. Currently they're just a body laying around and shaking. There's no way they could learn anything.
Nah. If they can't feel anything anyway, they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between life and death. They wouldn't even feel dying. I guess it might be more humane for the parents, because who wants to watch their newborn child die slowly?

This conversation is giving me the willies.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Nah. If they can't feel anything anyway, they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between life and death. They wouldn't even feel dying. I guess it might be more humane for the parents, because who wants to watch their newborn child die slowly?

This conversatin is giving me the willies.
Here's a branch off of the original. What if they were born with only one of the five senses? At this point my mind has been rushed with so many examples for each scenario. Think about what it'd be like for each one. That'd be super weird.

[earthman buck]

Here's a branch off of the original. What if they were born with only one of the five senses? At this point my mind has been rushed with so many examples for each scenario. Think about what it'd be like for each one. That'd be super weird.
Yeah, but with any one of the senses, learning is possible. Well......maybe not taste or smell. And I guess it'd be ridiculously hard with just touch, but Helen Keller did it.

Whoa! Think of being born with only the sense of taste! That's like, A+ horror story material. Your whole world is based on tasting things......

Think of the possibilities!

[pure]

i believe the meaning of life is to gain complete understanding and knowledge of everything.

only then will there be no point of life. you live to gain knowledge. if you can't learn anymore, then there's no point to live. we learn to play guitar we learn to play good songs we learn how to change the world. the fun part of life is the learning. if you already know then you get bored with it.

like money. the fun part about money is the gaining. if you're rich, like celebrities are, then money's boring. you can get anything you want, even the most expensive things are boring to you because you got them seemingly free.

I'm sure a new guitar would mean alot more to you if you worked for that guitar than if you just got it free from somebody.

i believe there are many things to be explored that our senses are blocking out. blind-born people see things in their essense. they have never seen anything. have you ever wondered what their dreams are made of? they have no images to base their ideas off. they see the world in a completely different way. i know how hard it is to explain what the color red is to somebody who never saw color before.

just yesterday i was at school and this blind boy was walking with a walking stick and he hit my leg with his stick. that was probably the first time i saw a blind person in real life, and he was 1 centimeter away from me, but in his mind, he's miles away from me. if i wasn't talking to my friends he probably wouldn't have known i was there. it's like living with your eyes closed. but they probably have solved mysteries that normal full-sensed humans can't comprehend because the sense of sight is blocking it. the sense of sight is limiting our imagination.

for instance whenever i'm trying to draw something thats printed on a paper, i find it alot easier to draw it when i have not seen the drawing before and when the drawing is upside down. thats because we put words or ideas with shapes and objects that block our normal way of thinking. like whenever people are drawing an eye while looking at one, they think "eye" so they already have a registered image of an "eye" somewhere in the brain and when they draw it, they can't copy what they're seeing because they have a registered shape and symbol for the eye and thats why its so hard for some people to draw realistically. i bet if the world was upside down, now because we already inderstand how the world works the right side up(enough anyway), then we probably would think and see things in new ways if the world was upside down, and solve problems that seemed unsolvable the normal way the earth was.

[pure]

Yeah, but with any one of the senses, learning is possible. Well......maybe not taste or smell. And I guess it'd be ridiculously hard with just touch, but Helen Keller did it.

helen keller also had the sense of smell and taste along with the touch.

i think the hardest to live with would be the sense of touch.

you can't smell, you can't see, you can't hear, you can't taste, all you can do is touch and feel pain. at least you still have emotion. life would be weird without emotion. you can't even call it boring because bored is an emotion.

[jeffhx]

is it biologically possible? i mean perhaps it is... but to be born with only one sense...i just think the odds are too high...

[earthman buck]

is it biologically possible? i mean perhaps it is... but to be born with only one sense...i just think the odds are too high...
I think you mean low.

[Cryptic Excretions]

is it biologically possible? i mean perhaps it is... but to be born with only one sense...i just think the odds are too high...
Speaking of probabilities. I've always wondered if it was possible for a woman to be born allergic to sperm.

[pure]

Speaking of probabilities. I've always wondered if it was possible for a woman to be born allergic to sperm.
thats almost the same, if you look it at one point of view, as a sterile female. or a female who's egg is defective.

that sucks almost as bad as being allergic to water. yet somebody is allelrgic to water. i forgot her name.

[jeffhx]

right i meant the ods are too low...typo...

was it the girl that cant touch water? if she did it would sting her skin..i remember watching someone like that on tv..

[PonyOne]

i'm not 100% sure about this but i think it's nearly impossible to be allergic to water as our bodies are mostly comprised of water... that would imply being allergic to oneself which i don't think is possible. this would also be the case in terms of being allergic to sperm.

maybe the Doc knows some more about this...

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

I was just going to say the same thing...our bodies are comprised of so much water....mabey she was allergic to something in the water?Flouride,sulfur,chlorine,led or other metals?

If it were possible to be allergic to vital components and pre-requisites for life(water,sperm,light e.c.t)I think only a minor reaction would take place like getting a couple blemishes or something.

[pure]

i'm not 100% sure about this but i think it's nearly impossible to be allergic to water as our bodies are mostly comprised of water... that would imply being allergic to oneself which i don't think is possible. this would also be the case in terms of being allergic to sperm.

maybe the Doc knows some more about this...

her skin is allergic to it. she can drink it and stuff, just can't touch it.
whenever she takes a bath it takes her about 2 hours because she can only be in the water for about 30 seconds at a time then she has to dry up real fast.

[Cryptic Excretions]

her skin is allergic to it. she can drink it and stuff, just can't touch it.
whenever she takes a bath it takes her about 2 hours because she can only be in the water for about 30 seconds at a time then she has to dry up real fast.
Ok, that would suck. Imagine how early you'd have to get up just to shower before work.