major pentatonic

[solo bass man]

which 5 of the 7 tones in a scale make up a pentatonic?

[Jolly McJollyson]

1-3-4-5-7 in minor

1-2-3-5-6 in major

[Kole_Music]

Jolly is correct. I just wanted to add that Major Pentatonic sounds cool. :D

[solo bass man]

grassy ass, jolly. are you an instructor?


by the way kole, would major pentatonic sounding cool include basslines?

[Jolly McJollyson]

grassy ass, jolly. are you an instructor?


by the way kole, would major pentatonic sounding cool include basslines?
If the song's in a major key, yes.

No, I'm not an instructor, but I do moderate this section of the forum.

[solo bass man]

ok, so major and major pent. can be played together by 2 instruments and blend well? and same with minor and minor pent.?

[Jolly McJollyson]

pretty much.

[Polera]

1-3-4-5-7 in minor

1-2-3-5-6 in major

I was under the impression that the minor pentatonic was 1-3b-4-5-7b . Basicaly the 3rd and 7th are flat...

[Jolly McJollyson]

I was under the impression that the minor pentatonic was 1-3b-4-5-7b . Basicaly the 3rd and 7th are flat...
You could say that, but I was taking the scale tones from the minor scale. If you list them as they appear in the minor scale, then there's no need to alter them.

[Julian Vickers]

It is actually more sensible to write the minor pentatonic as 1 b3 4 5 b7,
because while Aeolian is the 'pure minor', it is by no means the most used minor scale in jazz and classical.
At jazz school we always write scales as they relate to the major scale because the major scale is a scale that everyone knows. So for instance if you want to teach the lydian augmented or somesuch to someone, you just have to say it's got a #4 and a #5

There are arguments against it of course. Some people, when teaching the C lydian augmented, instead of saying it's a C major scale with a #4 and a #5 would say that it's the third mode of the A melodic minor ascending.

[gennation]

It is actually more sensible to write the minor pentatonic as 1 b3 4 5 b7,
because while Aeolian is the 'pure minor', it is by no means the most used minor scale in jazz and classical.
At jazz school we always write scales as they relate to the major scale because the major scale is a scale that everyone knows. So for instance if you want to teach the lydian augmented or somesuch to someone, you just have to say it's got a #4 and a #5

There are arguments against it of course. Some people, when teaching the C lydian augmented, instead of saying it's a C major scale with a #4 and a #5 would say that it's the third mode of the A melodic minor ascending.

You are correct with the most common ways of explaining Intervals and the Major scale.

I'm not sure where Jolly was coming from with his answer, or his explanation.

[solo bass man]

thanks guys, every little bit helps. but i really do have to stick up for jolly, he seems to know his ****

[Jolly McJollyson]

You are correct with the most common ways of explaining Intervals and the Major scale.

I'm not sure where Jolly was coming from with his answer, or his explanation.
I was coming from the land where you write scale tones relative to the scale to which they refer. If you know what the tones in a minor scale are, such as minor 3, minor 6, etc., then there is no reason to write the tones relative to the major scale.

[Julian Vickers]

I was coming from the land where you write scale tones relative to the scale to which they refer. If you know what the tones in a minor scale are, such as minor 3, minor 6, etc., then there is no reason to write the tones relative to the major scale.

I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, but there really is a reason. I guess I explained it badly but the truth is, especially at my music school, where not everybody has a full knowledge of all the scales but should know the major scale, saying to someone that the scale is 1 b3 4 5 b7 is going to be less confusing than saying 1 3 4 5 and 7 of the 'minor scale'.

It's not confusing me or anything, I know what the aeolian is, but take classical for instance, the main minor scales are the Harmonic Minor and the Melodic Minor. A classical student probably wouldn't know about 'the minor scale' as we are talking about it.

[/rant]

lol theory flame wars! you'd better lock this thread before it gets nasty! ;)

[Jolly McJollyson]

I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, but there really is a reason. I guess I explained it badly but the truth is, especially at my music school, where not everybody has a full knowledge of all the scales but should know the major scale, saying to someone that the scale is 1 b3 4 5 b7 is going to be less confusing than saying 1 3 4 5 and 7 of the 'minor scale'.

It's not confusing me or anything, I know what the aeolian is, but take classical for instance, the main minor scales are the Harmonic Minor and the Melodic Minor. A classical student probably wouldn't know about 'the minor scale' as we are talking about it.

[/rant]

lol theory flame wars! you'd better lock this thread before it gets nasty! ;)
Obviously when we say "the minor scale" we are referring to the natural minor.

This entire reasoning is rendered obsolete here: "where not everybody has a full knowledge of all the scales but should know the major scale, saying to someone that the scale is 1 b3 4 5 b7 is going to be less confusing than saying 1 3 4 5 and 7 of the 'minor scale'," because I said it would be easier for people who know the minor scale.

[Julian Vickers]

hmm. When someone is referring to the minor scale, it is not actually obvious that they are talking about the aeolian. You'd be surprised by how many music students I know that don't know about the natural minor scale. The classical students don't seem to even get taught it at all, they get taught the major scale, and the harmonic and melodic minors.

Let's just forget it, it's not even an issue.

Friends? :cool:

[Jolly McJollyson]

hmm. When someone is referring to the minor scale, it is not actually obvious that they are talking about the aeolian. You'd be surprised by how many music students I know that don't know about the natural minor scale. The classical students don't seem to even get taught it at all, they get taught the major scale, and the harmonic and melodic minors.

Let's just forget it, it's not even an issue.

Friends? :cool:
Friends, but for the record, I know many classical students, and they all know the melodic and harmonic minor as forms of mixture, not technically scales themselves. I mean, they are scales, but in reality they're just mixture from the relative major.

[Tirana3267]

Hey guys,

I am very new at the scale thing...I am trying to learn. What is a good scale that would fit to the E-C-D chord progr? What would be a simple scale for that chord progr?
Thanks for the help.

[Jolly McJollyson]

Hey guys,

I am very new at the scale thing...I am trying to learn. What is a good scale that would fit to the E-C-D chord progr? What would be a simple scale for that chord progr?
Thanks for the help.
E is the root note there? Well, Eminor and Eminor pentatonic would be decent scales to work with.