A funny and sad story

[acapella]

Scene + sters = scenesters. I guess it's not as common of a term as I thought it was. Basically it refers to people that are involved in things for the image of being involved in it. Not that they actually know anything about it or really care. They just want to show everyone that they're involved in it.
This reminds me of something that happened to me recently that I thought I would share with you all. I attend high school, as some of you may know, and I widely regard the students of it as a bunch of pathetic morons. One of the things that really pisses me off is the ones that think they are "punks". In their efforts to be punks, they pretty much do all the things you can possibly do to not be a punk. The main example of this is buying name-brand wrist bands from large corporations. So one day I decided I would bring some true punk spirit to our school, and made my own wrist bands by cutting up some tattered, ugly old socks. Not much I know, but I was trying to make a point. I wore them for quite some time, and the comments never ceased to make me laugh. Here is a typical conversation I would hear:

"Why is he wearing socks on his wrists?"
"He thinks he can be punk like us"
"Hey fag, why don't you buy some ****ing wrist bands and throw out those ugly socks!?"

I always have to laugh at people like this, who try to be punks without actually knowing what it means. Scenesters, if you will. And I'm sure many of you will find it funny as well.

[earthman buck]

I do. You think you're punk like me? Buy some real mass-produced fashion statements, fag! :)

[stackny]

Non-conformity is non-existant. Anyone who tries to be "punk" or thinks they are needs to be slapped upside the head. Hard. And multiple times. The whole mentality is rediculous. Who the hell wears wrist bands anyways? Is it really worth the effort to dress up like a moron everyday?

I think I would classify myself as a convenientist. I go to the nearest store and pick up the jeans that are in my size. Im not gonna go out of my way to look different. I express myself through my personality not my appearence.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

I don't claim to be a punk, or a non-conformist.. I'll straight up tell you that I conform to trends, sort of.. I dress like a skater, but I used to be one, I just never changed my sense of style.. I don't wear wristbands, I do wear studded belts (with a belt buckle of a les paul!) I used to wear pink, then it became overly popular, and it never recieved the interesting comments as I walked through the mall, like it used to. so I stopped wearing it. I still wear vans shoes, t-shirts with the logos of skateboard companies, and then my pants (jeans and occasionally dickies) come from places like mervyn's and JcPennys.. I will admit to being a frequent shopper of the Hot topic store.. everyone in there is a poser, but they really do have some cool stuff in there. for example, I got a CD called "metal for the masses VOL. 3" in there for like $7, it was two cd's that were compilations of all kinds of metal, from modern black metal, to 80's metal. it's pretty sweet, and the cheap cost made it better.

now that I recall, I also bought my ex-girlfriend a couple of really hot thongs in there too.. may be a bit of overshare, but I'm sorry. I find girls with that goth type of look to be extremely attractive.. call it a fetish..

[jeffhx]

Non-conformity is non-existant. Anyone who tries to be "punk" or thinks they are needs to be slapped upside the head. Hard. And multiple times. The whole mentality is rediculous. Who the hell wheres wrist bands anyways? Is it really worth the effort to dress up like a moron everyday?

I think I would classify myself as a convenientist. I go to the nearest store and pick up the jeans that are in my size. Im not gonna go out of my way to look different. I express myself through my personality not my appearence.

amen to that

[iiholly]

"Anarchy in the UK." Yeah, I love SLC Punk. That's all I really go to say about this.

[rockonn91]

its like that song..... "im an emo kid, non conforming as can be. you'd be nonconforming too if you looked just like me."

[elklandercc]

I don't see too many punks 'round here except every now and then at shows. I look at them in disgust cause they are posers who always wear british flags on their clothing cause they saw SLC Punk (no offense iiholly, it is a good movie). ut every time I see them at shows they are always doing something to try to be the centers of attention, even though people are there to see the bands, not foolish kids. But if there's one thing worse than poser punks its the scensters. I really do hate them with their girl pants and "emo" haircuts. As Stackny said, just be yourself. I always dress/wear what I want, hell I only wear skater shoes cause I find them more comfortable than running shoes and ect. But I also find that people who say they wont do something because its a trend are trend folowers themselves.

[Cryptic Excretions]

In my own observations and experiences, doing things based around making sure people see you how you want them to see you is BS. When you do that there's only one group of people that pays attention. High school students. The rest of the world is busy worry about the real world where looks just don't matter as much as they used to. When I got my job I had long hair and an eyebrow ring. I bailed on the ring and my hair is even longer. Do they care? I'm sure they'd like me to cut my hair, but so long as I keep the quality of my work up I don't think anything's going to really go wrong.

[Cryptic Excretions]

In addition... Goths aren't any better. Ok, you're fascinated with Tim Burton. We get it. Go away.

This reminds me of an event that happened at the last show I played at. There was a conversation between myself a bandmate. It went like this.

Tim: Dude, I don't mean to sound like a dick, but the girls here aren't very good looking.
Me: That's because they're guys.
Tim: Are you serious?
Me: Yeah, just look at them. They're dudes dressed in skirts and nylons.
Tim: Holy ****! You're right.
Me: Told you.

[macrun95]

I'm far removed from high school but I remember trying to "fit in" by not "fitting in". Only in the 80's it was big hair and bandanas tied around the leg, ala, Sammy Hagar.

I was at an amusement park over the summer and saw several shirts that said: "You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you're all the same". After seeing the same shirt for the 3rd time I wanted to tell the guy, "Yep, you're just as different as the other 2 guys I saw wearing that shirt"

Just be comfortable with yourself. The heck with everyone else.

[Leedogg]

My style is whack. I wear khakis, and button-downs everyday, (Dress code at work). To top it all off I got the cell phone on a belt clip. Uberdorky.

[acapella]

Yeah, I generally don't go out of my way to dress in a particular way, just wear whatever is nearby, but in some cases I like to do things things like that just because it's funny and makes people say the stupidest things.

[rockonn91]

my style is very hairmetal 80's ish. today my outfit was:
a short faded gray shirt (university of hawaiii. warrior football. i think it was a handmedown)
old worn blue jeans. (with natural holes from working! no paying extra for them!)
chucks. of two different types. ones the original, sept i changed the laces to ones that say "hugs not drugs" and the other is the jamaican type. the story behind the missmatched shoes- i screwed up the other pair of both. sooooo... i have to wear one of each!

i need new shoes...

[acapella]

my style is very hairmetal 80's ish. today my outfit was:
a short faded gray shirt (university of hawaiii. warrior football. i think it was a handmedown)
old worn blue jeans. (with natural holes from working! no paying extra for them!)
chucks. of two different types. ones the original, sept i changed the laces to ones that say "hugs not drugs" and the other is the jamaican type. the story behind the missmatched shoes- i screwed up the other pair of both. sooooo... i have to wear one of each!

i need new shoes...

Yeah, that sounds alot like me.I don't ever buy clothes, I get the ones nobody wants anymore. All my jeans are full of holes, but they didn't come that way, it's natural wear (plus a girl I know that just likes to destroy things, such as other people's clothes) I just don't want to buy new ones. The shoe thing is cool, why buy new shoes when you have two that fit? :D

[earthman buck]

Yeah, I generally don't go out of my way to dress in a particular way, just wear whatever is nearby, but in some cases I like to do things things like that just because it's funny and makes people say the stupidest things.
The only time I ever make sure I'm wearing something in particular is to band practices. I wear the exact same clothes every time. No reason....

[rockonn91]

The shoe thing is cool, why buy new shoes when you have two that fit? :D
precicely! people always get on my case about it. they're getting some big holes in them tho.

[Cryptic Excretions]

My style consists of jeans and shirts. I typically wear some sort of padding on my feet like boots or shoes, which typically have socks under them. If it's a tad chilly then I'll wear a hoodie. My jeans come in a variety of colors including and limited to blue and black. My boots have steel in the toe, my shoes are old as piss and I need new shoes because the padding has long since worn out. My socks are white (yes, I wear white socks to work in an office building. I don't care). My shirts can be pretty much anything. I've got plenty of band shirts which include bands such as Cannibal Corpse, Cryptopsy, Hypocrisy, Nile, Decapitated, Opeth, Korn, Slipknot, and ICP, and I'll wear all of them even though I don't listen to nu-metal or rap anymore. Other shirts include shirts that advertise various products of food, household cleaning supplies, or utility services (Spam, Mr. Clean, SBC, OIP&T college). The rest are all blank shirts from various makers which include, but are not limited to Calvin Klein.

[Blues_Man]

I was talkin' to this one kid, one day, he was wearin' a led zeppelin t-shirt. i said, "you like led zeppelin". He said, "yeah, they make good shirts". And I said, "okay...do you like their songs?" he said. T-shirts don't play music.
He thought LED ZEPPELIN WAS A T-SHIRT COMPANY!!!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE TONS OF RETARDS WEAR THEM JUST TO LOOK COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cryptic Excretions]

I was talkin' to this one kid, one day, he was wearin' a led zeppelin t-shirt. i said, "you like led zeppelin". He said, "yeah, they make good shirts". And I said, "okay...do you like their songs?" he said. T-shirts don't play music.
He thought LED ZEPPELIN WAS A T-SHIRT COMPANY!!!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE TONS OF RETARDED WEAR THEM JUST TO LOOK COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is easily the saddest thing I have ever read... seriously... I'm disheartened by that. Just earlier today I was listening to Led Zeppelin and recalling how good their music is... and to read that... Jesus Wept.

[Blues_Man]

That is easily the saddest thing I have ever read... seriously... I'm disheartened by that. Just earlier today I was listening to Led Zeppelin and recalling how good their music is... and to read that... Jesus Wept.


We should all observe a moment of silence...
LED ZEPPELIN COMEBACK TOUR !!!!!!!!!!!
(page and plant, technically)! The world needs to get the LED OUT at least 1 more time before those 2 are gone...

[stackny]

Speaking of Zep, has anyone seen that new chick band who tries to cover Zep "Lez Zeppelin"? Youve gotta be joking.... :mad:

[Cryptic Excretions]

We should all observe a moment of silence...
LED ZEPPELIN COMEBACK TOUR !!!!!!!!!!!
(page and plant, technically)! The world needs to get the LED OUT at least 1 more time before those 2 are gone...
Yeah, unfortunately we're missing someone that's going to be kinda tough to replace... John Bonam.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Speaking of Zep, has anyone seen that new chick band who tries to cover Zep "Lez Zeppelin"? Youve gotta be joking.... :mad:
Haven't heard of it and it doesn't sound overly exciting. Cover bands don't do it for me. Give me the real deal. The ones that wrote it from their heart.

[thedude328]

I honestly can't believe that any one would think Led Zeppelin was a t- shirt company. he had to be joking!....right...i hope

[rockonn91]

nope, i met a kid who thought it was too. never let him live it down. course now he just says that he was kidding. :D

[Cryptic Excretions]

nope, i met a kid who thought it was too. never let him live it down. course now he just says that he was kidding. :D
I like to wear Cannibal Corpse brand shirts.

[Blues_Man]

I honestly can't believe that any one would think Led Zeppelin was a t- shirt company. he had to be joking!....right...i hope


Nope, that idiot was dead serious...sad, isn't it....

[Akira]

As a result of this post-modern era, people's identities are built around consumerism and the idea of 'buying an identity'. It's also creating people that are ignorant to the cause (like in the case of the led zep t-shirt guy), another example I see frequenting itself around my college is the people that wear Che t-shirts, but have no interest or knowledge in Che or in politics at all.

It annoys me how people have become so ignorant.

[bigbuda]

I was talkin' to this one kid, one day, he was wearin' a led zeppelin t-shirt. i said, "you like led zeppelin". He said, "yeah, they make good shirts". And I said, "okay...do you like their songs?" he said. T-shirts don't play music.
He thought LED ZEPPELIN WAS A T-SHIRT COMPANY!!!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE TONS OF RETARDS WEAR THEM JUST TO LOOK COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You should've told him to give you the shirt 'cause he don't deserve it. :D

[Akira]

You should've told him to give you the shirt 'cause he don't deserve it. :D

He should have took the t-shirt off him then beat him to death with it wrapped around his fist.

Yay for dramatic irony.

[bigbuda]

He should have took the t-shirt off him then beat him to death with it wrapped around his fist.

Yay for dramatic irony.

The fact that I happen to put on my Led Zepplin shirt this morning makes this story even worse. :mad:

[Akira]

The fact that I happen to put on my Led Zepplin shirt this morning makes this story even worse.

Something to comfort you...

http://www.eden4flowers.co.uk/ProdImages/HNT-TUL-main.jpg

:) *hugs and kisses* :p

[Cryptic Excretions]

Something to comfort you...

http://www.eden4flowers.co.uk/ProdImages/HNT-TUL-main.jpg

:) *hugs and kisses* :p
That's way too bright and cheery for me.

[Akira]

That's way too bright and cheery for me.

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/b/bruegel/death.jpg

Better?

Don't make me start posting Slayer album covers.

[bigbuda]

Thanks for the flower but I like the pic better. I'm better now. :)

[Cryptic Excretions]

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/b/bruegel/death.jpg

Better?

Don't make me start posting Slayer album covers.
Much better.

[ericthecableguy]

http://merchnow.com/store/graphics/00000015/beatingT.jpg

o ya.

[earthman buck]

Another enraging example would be Ashlee Simpson wearing AC/DC and Sex Pistols T-shirts everywhere she bloody goes. If Ashlee Simpson listens to AC/DC and the Sex Pistols, I'll eat every shirt ever made by that T-shirt company Led Zeppelin. :)

[stackny]

Its 10:36 pm and I can hear the "punks" across the parking lot doing whatever it is theyre doing on their skateboards. I think theyve got a little grind rail or something. I hope they fall and hit their heads.

[CW14]

This reminds me of something I saw on TV. The 'Australian Idol' host, Andrew G was wearing some rare, signed Iron Maiden shirt. Another guy on the show asked him if he was a Maiden fan...

Andrew G: 'YEAH mate, I hope they cover ENTER SANDMAN'

GRRRRRRRRRRR :mad:

[PonyOne]

I wear shirts by The Meatmen and Screeching Weasel, and the "punks" in my hood don't know who they are!!! They're so PUNK, they don't even listen to PUNK bands!!!

[Cryptic Excretions]

This reminds me of something I saw on TV. The 'Australian Idol' host, Andrew G was wearing some rare, signed Iron Maiden shirt. Another guy on the show asked him if he was a Maiden fan...

Andrew G: 'YEAH mate, I hope they cover ENTER SANDMAN'

GRRRRRRRRRRR :mad:
You should've put a warning on that saying that reading might cause a migraine because my head's throbbing now.

[CW14]

You should've put a warning on that saying that reading might cause a migraine because my head's throbbing now.
What's also sad is that I've also seen him wearing a Randy Rhoads tribute shirt.

http://www.reachout.com.au/sysfiles/media/246

[jiujitsu_jesus]

The only band T-shirt I have is a Pink Floyd one. I always wear it to school mufti days, because I'm safe in the knowledge that nobody else will be wearing one :D

[bigbuda]

The only band T-shirt I have is a Pink Floyd one. I always wear it to school mufti days, because I'm safe in the knowledge that nobody else will be wearing one :D

what exactly is school mufti day? I don't think we had that one where I went to school. :D

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

do you know how often I see people wearing led zeppelin and pink floyd shirts around here? way too many.

btw, don't hate skaters, I used to be one. they have an attitude like a bomb waiting to explode, and really don't care about damaging other people's property.. but they are not the ones to hate here. the ones to hate are the ones who carry around a skateboard just to say they skateboard. while barely able to ride the thing. real skaters are not all that bad..

btw, listen to metal from the 80's, then listen to modern.. it's changed drastically.. in the same way, if you look at old school punk, and what today's definition of punk is.. you see some drastic differences... I don't remember where I was going with that..

[jiujitsu_jesus]

what exactly is school mufti day? I don't think we had that one where I went to school. :D

On a mufti day, you wear "civvies" to school instead of your uniform (most schools in Australia have uniforms - don't know whether it's the same in the US).

6strngs, you're lucky that so many people in your area like Floyd and Zeppelin, or at least pretend to. Where I come from, everybody wears New Found Glory or The Used t-shirts. If you asked them the name of the longest piece of music they've ever listened to, most would name "Jesus of Suburbia" by Green Day. Most would also immediately associate "Beethoven" with a children's movie about a St. Bernard. The longest novel that most of the girls have read is "Looking For Alibrandi"; some of the more cultured gentlemen have read the latest issue of FHM or Playboy cover-to-cover.

I live in a cultural wasteland! I'd love to see some more '60s prog rock shirts around.

[CW14]

btw, listen to metal from the 80's, then listen to modern.. it's changed drastically.. in the same way, if you look at old school punk, and what today's definition of punk is.. you see some drastic differences... I don't remember where I was going with that..
*awaits tumbleweed*

[Akira]

*awaits tumbleweed*

Ha!!! No banana for you!!!

Alot of people around here seem to be way into that Emo crap and all the identity gimicks that go along with that. It's really quite sad.

[acapella]

All this talk of posers, scenesters, conformity and non conformity has me thinking, you can't really avoid conformity. Either you conform, or you conform by not conforming like everyone else does. All you can really do to beat the system is just not give a crap. Just dress and act in a way that you are comfortable with, and don't worry about what anybody else does or thinks. As the song says, what's the point of not conforming if it changes you? Just be true to yourself.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

well.. finding zeppelin and floyd shirts used to be hard to do. then hot topic started carrying them. so then all these wanna-be's started wearing them, of course, there are those who actually know who they are, and bought the shirt becuase they actually like the band. but anyways, it became so popular that now even places like mervyns is carrying them, so you see like 8 year old kids running around with them on... and they DEFINATELY don't know who they are, they are just trying to be cool like the high school kids who are all wearing these shirts.

here's the way things go around here. the elementary kids are trying to be cool like the junior high kids. the junior high kids are trying to be cool like the high school kids. the high school kids think they are all that, while subconciously trying to be cool like the college kids. and the college kids are trying to be like adults (some are, the other ones are just out getting drunk and laid every night) and adults are trying to be young like their kids.. it's a perpetual circle of poserism

[Andrew Sa]

my least favourite is Enesto (Che) Guevarra shirts and all...everyone wears that stuff and no one has a clue what he did/stood for...its weird...anyone seen those cliCHE shirts with his face? now thats a shirt.

at the end of the day no non-comformist or comformist cliques really exist...its all just people...

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

my least favourite is Enesto (Che) Guevarra shirts and all...everyone wears that stuff and no one has a clue what he did/stood for...its weird...anyone seen those cliCHE shirts with his face? now thats a shirt.

at the end of the day no non-comformist or comformist cliques really exist...its all just people...
who's he?

I don't like these shirts
http://www.charmandising.com/images/_PRODUCT/BOB0401.jpg

I don't really know why, but I see everybody wearing them.. I just don't like them.. or really have much of a clue who bob marley is.. in fact, somehow when I look at the shirts I'm like "that's a bob marley" shirt, but I have no idea how I know that since I really don't know who bob marley is, let alone what he looks like. the fact that that image was the first result when I typed in 'bob marley shirt' on google is really what confirmed to me that that actually is a bob marley shirt.. I still have no idea why or how i know that.

[ericthecableguy]

who's he?

I don't like these shirts
http://www.charmandising.com/images/_PRODUCT/BOB0401.jpg

I don't really know why, but I see everybody wearing them.. I just don't like them.. or really have much of a clue who bob marley is.. in fact, somehow when I look at the shirts I'm like "that's a bob marley" shirt, but I have no idea how I know that since I really don't know who bob marley is, let alone what he looks like. the fact that that image was the first result when I typed in 'bob marley shirt' on google is really what confirmed to me that that actually is a bob marley shirt.. I still have no idea why or how i know that.

Ya, all they know about him is that he liked the ganja.

I also want to stab everyone wearing a G UNIT shirt. I thought they said gunit for a year.

[rockonn91]

I also want to stab everyone wearing a G UNIT shirt. I thought they said gunit for a year.

errrm, you dont want to come to my school.

[RobSLive]

Dress as you see fit and what makes you feel comfortable, anyone with a half brain will read the book and not the cover, and if they do just read the cover well those kinda people id'e rather not be around!

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

I like the shirt I'm wearing right now.. it says "musician: looking for groupies" you know how girls find guitar players sexy? well, most of the time, they wouldn't guess you were a guitar player, this is like wearing a billboard, so everyone knows. lol.

[jiujitsu_jesus]

I'm wearing a horrible t-shirt with a picture of a DJ scratching a turntable, titled "Urban Soundz" (yes, soundz with a z *shudder*). It's so awful, you've just got to love it!

[iiholly]

I don't see too many punks 'round here except every now and then at shows. I look at them in disgust cause they are posers who always wear british flags on their clothing cause they saw SLC Punk (no offense iiholly, it is a good movie). ut every time I see them at shows they are always doing something to try to be the centers of attention, even though people are there to see the bands, not foolish kids. But if there's one thing worse than poser punks its the scensters. I really do hate them with their girl pants and "emo" haircuts. As Stackny said, just be yourself. I always dress/wear what I want, hell I only wear skater shoes cause I find them more comfortable than running shoes and ect. But I also find that people who say they wont do something because its a trend are trend folowers themselves.

I'm not punk at all, so I don't take offense. I thought the whole point of the movie, atleast to me, that the punk lifestyle is fake.

[Andrew Sa]

[QUOTE=6strngs_2hmbkrsit says "musician: looking for groupies" you know how girls find guitar players sexy? QUOTE]

Dude, that is the biggest myth ever...girls like guys in bands...bollocks dude...perhaps they guys in good bands, but if you say you play in a band, and she is not able to see you play live gigs, she is just gonna dismiss your band as a crap, joke.

[Akira]

I like the shirt I'm wearing right now.. it says "musician: looking for groupies" you know how girls find guitar players sexy? well, most of the time, they wouldn't guess you were a guitar player, this is like wearing a billboard, so everyone knows. lol.

Hmm, wow.

If that doesn't tell you something about the state of society then I don't know what does.

[elklandercc]

I'm not punk at all, so I don't take offense. I thought the whole point of the movie, atleast to me, that the punk lifestyle is fake.
Exactly, and it gets you know where, punks just see it as a cool person in a cool movie they wanna be like.

[ericthecableguy]

I thought the whole point of the movie, atleast to me, that the punk lifestyle is fake.

Ya. Me and my drummer decided that too. Or at least something similar. I think we can all agree that Sid Vicious is the punk symbol, and he never learned how to play his damn instrument. So what does that say about punk?

[earthman buck]

Ya. Me and my drummer decided that too. Or at least something similar. I think we can all agree that Sid Vicious is the punk symbol, and he never learned how to play his damn instrument. So what does that say about punk?
i think teh punx sybmol is teh gren dayz.

On a serious note, my real thoughts: weren't the sex pistols big in the mid-to-late 70's? If so, I think punk from back then was pretty legitimate. Back in them days, look who there was to contend with. Led Zeppelin, and bands trying to be Led Zeppelin. What's the opposite of Led Zeppelin, you ask? A band that can only just barely play their instruments. I think punk used to make sense, now it does not. The way I see it, punk doesn't describe the musical style, it describes the feeling of wanting to do the opposite of everything that's going on. If what was once punk becomes the next big thing, it is no longer punk. It is pop. And if what was once pop becomes obscure and only available if you search for it, it is punk. In fact, now that I've worded it like that, the term "pop-punk" just makes my head hurt.

[CW14]

i think teh punx sybmol is teh gren dayz.
OMGZ no i liek simpol plan

[jiujitsu_jesus]

I could never bring myself to like the Sex Pistols. Mostly because Johnny Rotten supposedly got the lead singer's gig because he was spotted in the street wearing an "I Hate Pink Floyd" t-shirt :mad:

[Cryptic Excretions]

i think teh punx sybmol is teh gren dayz.

On a serious note, my real thoughts: weren't the sex pistols big in the mid-to-late 70's? If so, I think punk from back then was pretty legitimate. Back in them days, look who there was to contend with. Led Zeppelin, and bands trying to be Led Zeppelin. What's the opposite of Led Zeppelin, you ask? A band that can only just barely play their instruments. I think punk used to make sense, now it does not. The way I see it, punk doesn't describe the musical style, it describes the feeling of wanting to do the opposite of everything that's going on. If what was once punk becomes the next big thing, it is no longer punk. It is pop. And if what was once pop becomes obscure and only available if you search for it, it is punk. In fact, now that I've worded it like that, the term "pop-punk" just makes my head hurt.
Punk, back in the day, was about making a statement of rebellion. And that's ok, but the only problem is that it's easy to date because the things that they rebell against aren't going to be around forever. Things change. So the "punk" these days is only labeled as punk, but it's not genuine punk. It's just not of that era. It's become an image thing, look as ridiculous as you can, don't learn to play your instrument, be n the business about 2 weeks, make more money than Steve Vai. Ahem, as I was saying, the image of rebellion has taken it over. And the exact same thing has happened to black metal. When black metal first came out it was just the same. Basic, veritably talentless music based around rebelling. These days it's just a mass of douches that have to be "grim" and look "kvlt" and make god awful sounding demos and what not using recycled riffs because they think the point is that it's not supposed to sound good. Black metal and punk are two dead genres.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

I beg to differ. black metal is not talentless. though it really depends on what bands you consider black metal. but when I think of black metal, the first (and only) band that enters my mind is cradle of filth. and, I haven't heard a whole lot of their stuff, I own one cd, and I can it's definately not talentless. I mean, so of it is, but then you get these catchy little sections here and there. I think the lyrics are a bit lacking, and sure singing about satan and midian, and cthulu is appealing to these wanna-be goths, but it's just a bit stupid in my opinion. anyways, they do have quite a bit of talent in their music, though it isn't always in the guitar solos, it's more in how the song is arranged and put together, how it's played, and how the band as a whole works together to get the message out loud and clear, even if the message is kinda stupid.

[Cryptic Excretions]

I beg to differ. black metal is not talentless. though it really depends on what bands you consider black metal. but when I think of black metal, the first (and only) band that enters my mind is cradle of filth. and, I haven't heard a whole lot of their stuff, I own one cd, and I can it's definately not talentless. I mean, so of it is, but then you get these catchy little sections here and there. I think the lyrics are a bit lacking, and sure singing about satan and midian, and cthulu is appealing to these wanna-be goths, but it's just a bit stupid in my opinion. anyways, they do have quite a bit of talent in their music, though it isn't always in the guitar solos, it's more in how the song is arranged and put together, how it's played, and how the band as a whole works together to get the message out loud and clear, even if the message is kinda stupid.
Ok, I was referring to when black metal began and I was also referring to black metal. Not wanna-be goths. And as I stated in my previous comment, when black metal FIRST came out, it was veritably talentless. Even to date, most of the black metal bands in the world are veritably if not completely talentless. Now, I'm not saying all of them are, but when black metal began, it wasn't about trying to master your instrument. Punk influence played a suffice role in black metal's beginnings and as a side effect the music was basic. And as I said before, it was originally based around a rebellious message, namely anti-christianity. The corpse paint rose with the music and soon black metal became bound with it. These days the message that was originally being made has faded. Why's that? Because no one that's making black metal anymore was there when it was being made. The most influential of black metal bands have either disbanned, developed acute tendonitis, passed away/been killed, are in jail, or have converted to death metal. Most of the people that make black metal anymore just take a fraction of the message (Satan as seems to be the most popular), put on corpse paint because it's "grim" and play garbage. Others like Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir have been selling black metal out. But the problem there in lies that real black metal is dead. It died long ago when all the prime influences either disbanned, developed acute tendonitis, passed away/been killed, are in jail, or have converted to death metal. A lot of the old stuff (basic as it is, bad production and all) is actually still pretty enjoyable to listen to, provided the mood is right, but these days people just go out of their way to recreate something that's long since passed.

[jiujitsu_jesus]

I beg to differ. black metal is not talentless...
the first (and only) band that enters my mind is cradle of filth.

Don't forget Opeth. I mean, for the most part, I can't stand black or death metal, but Opeth - in terms of talent, they're just something else :cool:

[Cryptic Excretions]

Don't forget Opeth. I mean, for the most part, I can't stand black or death metal, but Opeth - in terms of talent, they're just something else :cool:
Where do you get black metal from Opeth?

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

Don't forget Opeth. I mean, for the most part, I can't stand black or death metal, but Opeth - in terms of talent, they're just something else :cool:
I love opeth, their music is filled with tons of talent. they are one of my favorite bands.. but they aren't black metal!

[jiujitsu_jesus]

I love opeth, their music is filled with tons of talent. they are one of my favorite bands.. but they aren't black metal!

Oh, I reckon a lot of the stuff from "Ghost Reveries" could be classified as black metal. On the other hand, I'm anything but an extreme music fan - death metal, black metal and grindcore all sound fairly similar to me :o .

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

Oh, I reckon a lot of the stuff from "Ghost Reveries" could be classified as black metal. On the other hand, I'm anything but an extreme music fan - death metal, black metal and grindcore all sound fairly similar to me :o .
I own that cd in particular.. I don't think it's black metal, it's way too melodic. black metal is more... well.. black! I dunno, I'll check into it later.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Oh, I reckon a lot of the stuff from "Ghost Reveries" could be classified as black metal. On the other hand, I'm anything but an extreme music fan - death metal, black metal and grindcore all sound fairly similar to me :o .
It's actually the furthest from black metal out of all of their releases. The only releases that could be easily linked with black metal would be their first two. The general tone of the music and the vocal style were much more like black metal then. These days the tone has much more color to it and the vocals are deeper. As far as compositions go, they have next to nothing in common with black metal.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

It's actually the furthest from black metal out of all of their releases. The only releases that could be easily linked with black metal would be their first two. The general tone of the music and the vocal style were much more like black metal then. These days the tone has much more color to it and the vocals are deeper. As far as compositions go, they have next to nothing in common with black metal.
yeah what he said!

[rockonn91]

hahah yeahhh. Cryptic knows his metal. :cool:

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

hahah yeahhh. Cryptic knows his metal. :cool:
cryptic knows his metal so much that there is a special kind of ultra-pure metal that is so awesome, only cryptic knows wtf it is.. or something along those lines, right?

[capohead]

Look guys if you're gonna talk about punk then get it right.

The father of punk is generally considered to be Malcom Maclaren. "The Great Rock and Roll Swindle" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080813/) was basically MacLaren's claim that he created punk rock and tbh it's pretty difficult to disagree with him on many points.

Punk seemed to come out of nowhere. There were no bands that acheived any sort of recognition playing that sort of music with that "feck you" attitude before the Pistols. Whether MM did or didn't invent the genre became unimportant for those who embraced the style, music and attitude. "Punk" took on a life of its own helped by a over zealous media reaction and the fairly predictable welcome in the arms of disenchanted youths.

The "punks" you're talking about now exist across the world. Our old bass player makes a living playing bass with Peter and the Test Tube Babies (http://www.njhindl1.demon.co.uk/peter/index.htm) (formed in 1977!) with gigs at punk-revival festivals all over the world.

Punk is just another marketable commodity and people follow it for various reasons. It has links with the far right and yet has also been the focus of left wing political movements in the late 70s and early 80s.

The music varies from sublime to awful. "Never Mind the Bollox" is imo still one of the finest rock albums ever made. Listen to Steve Jones' guitar. That guy could really play and what a sound he got. Lyrically they were really strong and John Lydon was an brilliant front man.

Don't be too hard on the "Punks", "emos" and "Goths". They're just looking for something they can get hold of, something to hang their lives around, something they can feel a part of.

Yeah, I find it sad that someone thinks Led Zep is a clothing brand but in some ways it isn't so far from the truth. Led Zep isn't just a band anymore it's a "brand" like the Stones, like Metallica, like any performer that makes money out of marketing T shirts and the like. I think it's the word "brand" that depresses me most of all, that this is what we've come down to. The music is less important than the logo. Now that's really sad.........

Cheers

Dick

[Cryptic Excretions]

hahah yeahhh. Cryptic knows his metal.
I bleed metal.

cryptic knows his metal so much that there is a special kind of ultra-pure metal that is so awesome, only cryptic knows wtf it is.. or something along those lines, right?
Not quite. There are plenty of people that know about it. It's just not something that you can find as easily as on the radio or on television. It's something that has to be found rather than given. It's kind of a tense topic as it's easy to portray one's self as a hypocrite, especially since there are more than my own opinion on what makes metal "real metal." And yes, there are metal bands that can be found on television, I'm not going to say it's impossible for mainstream to include metal. And I'm not really even against the music in the main stream, so this isn't some stupid anti-mainstream talk. Just that there's far more to the scene than anything you'll find on tv since most of it doesn't market nearly as easily as say Children of Bodom, Cradle of Filth, In Flames, and Dimmu Borgir. Especially since they're willing to dumb their music down to help it market easier.

[iamthe_eggman]

Look guys if you're gonna talk about punk then get it right.

The father of punk is generally considered to be Malcom Maclaren. "The Great Rock and Roll Swindle" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080813/) was basically MacLaren's claim that he created punk rock and tbh it's pretty difficult to disagree with him on many points.

Punk seemed to come out of nowhere. There were no bands that acheived any sort of recognition playing that sort of music with that "feck you" attitude before the Pistols. Whether MM did or didn't invent the genre became unimportant for those who embraced the style, music and attitude. "Punk" took on a life of its own helped by a over zealous media reaction and the fairly predictable welcome in the arms of disenchanted youths.

The "punks" you're talking about now exist across the world. Our old bass player makes a living playing bass with Peter and the Test Tube Babies (http://www.njhindl1.demon.co.uk/peter/index.htm) (formed in 1977!) with gigs at punk-revival festivals all over the world.

Punk is just another marketable commodity and people follow it for various reasons. It has links with the far right and yet has also been the focus of left wing political movements in the late 70s and early 80s.

The music varies from sublime to awful. "Never Mind the Bollox" is imo still one of the finest rock albums ever made. Listen to Steve Jones' guitar. That guy could really play and what a sound he got. Lyrically they were really strong and John Lydon was an brilliant front man.

Don't be too hard on the "Punks", "emos" and "Goths". They're just looking for something they can get hold of, something to hang their lives around, something they can feel a part of.

Yeah, I find it sad that someone thinks Led Zep is a clothing brand but in some ways it isn't so far from the truth. Led Zep isn't just a band anymore it's a "brand" like the Stones, like Metallica, like any performer that makes money out of marketing T shirts and the like. I think it's the word "brand" that depresses me most of all, that this is what we've come down to. The music is less important than the logo. Now that's really sad.........

Cheers

Dick


+17if you can read this, then

[SlightlyInsane]

Reading this made me think of this song...Emo Kid Song (http://content.ytmnd.com/content/1/a/1af5f70e649cd3981857796ab9b74703.mp3) I find it quite funny (and accurate).

[rockonn91]

hahaha. i've always liked that song for some reason.