Pet Peeves

[Kevin Taylor]

Just wanted to start a thread of 'pet peeves' people had dealing with the daily grind of technology....

Like:

Stupid computer reminders that contantly remind you .... 'Are You Sure You Want to......"

Yes!! I"m friggin sure..... !!!!!!!

I woulndn't have pressed the button if I wasn't sure......

Why don't computer manufacturs install an option to get rid of 'Are You Sure' messages???

Like.... I've got a brain of my own.... if I hit a button to do something, I don't want some idiotic reminder asking me if I'm sure I did the right thing..

[CW14]

Every time I turn on my computer i get this annoying computerized voice say 'COMPUTER COMPLETED POWER ON SELF TEST. COMPUTER NOW BOOTING FROM OPERATING SYSTEM'... and seeing it's in DOS it plays itself at full volume through my 50w monitors :mad:

[magicninja]

My McAfee security always asks me even with the auto update on if I want to install the updates. Talk about redundant!!

[Akira]

Norton Antivirus hogs too much memory.

[Cryptic Excretions]

My windows media player no longer streams from the internet and every so often when I'm downloading something off the internet it'll just flat out stop and I'll have to start over which can be a pain in the ass if I"m downloading something big... like, say... a video that I want to watch that wouldn't stream.

[Leedogg]

I use spreadsheets alot at work and Excel loves dropping leading zeroes when you convert to a .csv file. But I mainly hate Excel for only letting 65536 records ever be in one file. Talk about a limitation.

[acapella]

Just wanted to start a thread of 'pet peeves' people had dealing with the daily grind of technology....

Like:

Stupid computer reminders that contantly remind you .... 'Are You Sure You Want to......"

Yes!! I"m friggin sure..... !!!!!!!

I woulndn't have pressed the button if I wasn't sure......

Why don't computer manufacturs install an option to get rid of 'Are You Sure' messages???

Like.... I've got a brain of my own.... if I hit a button to do something, I don't want some idiotic reminder asking me if I'm sure I did the right thing..

So what if you accidentally press the button to do something you don't want? Then wouldn't you want to be warned, and have a chance to back out?

One thing I hate is when your reading something long and the stupid screensaver comes on...I guess I could fix that by turning it off, but it's too much trouble just to turn it off read one thing, then turn it back on, and I always forget anyway.

[earthman buck]

I guess the thing I hate most about technology is its hold on me. I mean, instead of being on a guitar forum all the time, I could actually be playing guitar......

[acapella]

I guess the thing I hate most about technology is its hold on me. I mean, instead of being on a guitar forum all the time, I could actually be playing guitar......
Yeah, I could be so much farther in life if I didn't waste it on a computer...like right now, i could be doing my three late assignments in this class. But not a chance.

[Cryptic Excretions]

So what if you accidentally press the button to do something you don't want? Then wouldn't you want to be warned, and have a chance to back out?

One thing I hate is when your reading something long and the stupid screensaver comes on...I guess I could fix that by turning it off, but it's too much trouble just to turn it off read one thing, then turn it back on, and I always forget anyway.
Move the mouse periodically or just lengthen the amount of time until the screen saver comes up.

[acapella]

Move the mouse periodically or just lengthen the amount of time until the screen saver comes up.
Well obviously I know that...but that's the kind of thing you tend to forget when your in the middle of something. You know how annoying little things like that can seem when your in the middle of something...

[Cryptic Excretions]

Well obviously I know that...but that's the kind of thing you tend to forget when your in the middle of something. You know how annoying little things like that can seem when your in the middle of something...
Not really, no. My screen saver takes its sweet time before interupting anything I'm doing.

[acapella]

Not really, no. My screen saver takes its sweet time before interupting anything I'm doing.
Well we can't ALL be perfect, Cryptic. Only you! *smooch*

[Cryptic Excretions]

Well we can't ALL be perfect, Cryptic. Only you! *smooch*
I hope that kiss was directed towards my feet.

[acapella]

I hope that kiss was directed towards my feet.
Sorry, I do miss from time to time. ;)

[Cryptic Excretions]

Sorry, I do miss from time to time. ;)
That's not good enough, peon. Get back to your quarters or you'll be denied your serving of gruel and hardtack.

[acapella]

That's not good enough, peon. Get back to your quarters or you'll be denied your serving of gruel and hardtack.
can i still have my fatback and flapjacks? and obviously that was typo, my name isnt leon. unless, of course, YOU say it is, master!

[Cryptic Excretions]

can i still have my fatback and flapjacks? and obviously that was typo, my name isnt leon. unless, of course, YOU say it is, master!
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=peon

Do not question my law again or there will be severe consequences to pay. For that your fatback and flapjacks have been denied.

[ericthecableguy]

Hmm.Pet Peeves..Talking pop-up ads anyone?

SAY SOMETHING!

[acapella]

A drudge!? A DRUDGE!?!!? Oh, now your steppin' over a line. I've been called plodder,slog, peon, even slave, but DRUDGE!? Oh, that one stings! All I said was my name isn't Leon,and you have to start calling names?

[Cryptic Excretions]

A drudge!? A DRUDGE!?!!? Oh, now your steppin' over a line. I've been called plodder,slog, peon, even slave, but DRUDGE!? Oh, that one stings! All I said was my name isn't Leon,and you have to start calling names?
You allegedly accused me of a typo when, in fact, I intended on calling you a peon. My peons are not granted names like "Leon" or anything of the likes. They are all peons and feed on my sacred gruel and hardtack when I feel like being nice to them.

[HDJ]

Well, I've got plenty of pet peeves, I'll just list a few....

*The choice of English or Spanish on an ATM machine (well, everything these days). If you live in the U.S., learn to speak English. That just annoys me and I really don't know why.

*The fact that they put brail on drive through ATM's.

*The sound of someone other than myself brushing their teeth...it's like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.

*People who drive slow in the fast lane and won't move over. I'd bet this is a pet peeve of 99% of people out there.....the 1% are the ones that won't move over.

I'll leave it at that for now..... :D

[Leedogg]

*People who drive slow in the fast lane and won't move over. I'd bet this is a pet peeve of 99% of people out there.....the 1% are the ones that won't move over.

As much as I hate passing people on the right, I'll do it if they're bumbling along. The worst is when you have two cars going the exact same speed and you can't pass at all.

[Blues_Man]

I guess the thing I hate most about technology is its hold on me. I mean, instead of being on a guitar forum all the time, I could actually be playing guitar......

Yes, but isn't talking about playing the guitar the next best thing?! :p

[Blues_Man]

Well, I've got plenty of pet peeves, I'll just list a few....

*The choice of English or Spanish on an ATM machine (well, everything these days). If you live in the U.S., learn to speak English. That just annoys me and I really don't know why.

*The fact that they put brail on drive through ATM's.




Yeah, You should learn to speak the language of the country you live in and not expect it to cater to you. But I took spanish all through junior high and adv. courses in high school, so i can speak spanish pretty well,so it doesn't bother me.

And to the fact the put brail on the drive throuh ATM's...There's you 1%... :D

[hbkolb]

Well, I've got plenty of pet peeves, I'll just list a few....

*The choice of English or Spanish on an ATM machine (well, everything these days). If you live in the U.S., learn to speak English. That just annoys me and I really don't know why.

*The fact that they put brail on drive through ATM's.



Amen brother!!!

[magicninja]

Am I the only hispanic guy on here? Leave my brown brothers ALONE! :mad:
I do agree that they need to learn English but **** give people some time. English is said to be the hardest second language to learn. Check the racism at the door gentlemen.

[ericthecableguy]

Am I the only hispanic guy on here? Leave my brown brothers ALONE! :mad:
I do agree that they need to learn English but **** give people some time. English is said to be the hardest second language to learn. Check the racism at the door gentlemen.

He's got a valid point.
If you think you have it bad, come to Canada. everything has a french side on it. And they want to separate from us. :mad:

[Kevin Taylor]

So what if you accidentally press the button to do something you don't want? Then wouldn't you want to be warned, and have a chance to back out?


I never screw up though. Like, if I want to erase something or quit an application... I've already thought it through.
Asking me if I really want to do it is like treating me like a child or something.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Am I the only hispanic guy on here? Leave my brown brothers ALONE! :mad:
I do agree that they need to learn English but **** give people some time. English is said to be the hardest second language to learn. Check the racism at the door gentlemen.
I think we might've found one of Magicninja's pet peeves.

[ericthecableguy]

He's got a valid point.
If you think you have it bad, come to Canada. everything has a french side on it. And they want to separate from us. :mad:

Let me clarify. I don't mean magicninja by 'you'.

[jeffhx]

Norton Antivirus hogs too much memory.

AMEN TO THAT!!!! rofl!!!

[Kevin Taylor]

Warning messages before every tv show starts
"the following is intended for a mature audience only... parental guidance is advised"

Like, warn us once at the beginning of the show and then shut the hell up.
Let's face it... every single show is intended for a mature audience these days.
So just advice us first thing in the morning and leave us the hell alone.

[magicninja]

I think we might've found one of Magicninja's pet peeves.
Any form of discrimination is whack.

[Blues_Man]

Am I the only hispanic guy on here? Leave my brown brothers ALONE! :mad:
I do agree that they need to learn English but **** give people some time. English is said to be the hardest second language to learn. Check the racism at the door gentlemen.


It's not racist, im just saying if you move to a country don't expect everything to be in the language you speak. If I moved to a country id learn to speak it's language. For example, I'm not going to move to france and expect everyone there to speak english. Or move to germany and get ticked off nobody speaks english. And i'm not sure english the hardest. It is hard but learning something like chinese (mandarin or something) where if you change one vowel sound you completely alter the word. and having thousands of characters to memorize seems a little harder to me. And try learning to speak latin! in my school it was mandatory to take it for 3 years, and it was a complete...well i can't say that on the forum. :D

[magicninja]

It's not racist, im just saying if you move to a country don't expect everything to be in the language you speak. If I moved to a country id learn to speak it's language. For example, I'm not going to move to france and expect everyone there to speak english. Or move to germany and get ticked off nobody speaks english.

Please, don't get me started.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Any form of discrimination is whack.
More or less, yeah. It is.

[Cryptic Excretions]

It's not racist, im just saying if you move to a country don't expect everything to be in the language you speak. If I moved to a country id learn to speak it's language. For example, I'm not going to move to france and expect everyone there to speak english. Or move to germany and get ticked off nobody speaks english.
I think what he was getting as was cut people some slack. Things take time. As a person grows older and older it literally becomes harder and harder for them to learn. Becoming fluent in another language is no easy task, let alone one as complex as the English language. It can take the better portion of a decade to become fluent if the person's old enough. Kids, on the other hand are ok though some of the people that were raised into the English language here disgust me. I think they're more of a problem than someone moving to a new country and having a hard time learning the language. There's no excuse for not knowing something that you were raised into.

[Kevin Taylor]

Long distance recordings that say...
"the number you are dialing is not a long distance call... please try again."

Then the next time you try it says, "please dial the number 'one' before you try your number"

Then you finally get throught and it's the wong stupid number and you get a busy signal.

.... or busy signals that say... "the number you have dialed is no longer in order.....goodbye".

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TV stations that insist on putting weather warnings over 90% of the screen right in the middle of your favorite show.

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Spike TV compressing and time limiting movies so bad that you can't watch them.

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TBS censusing language with really lame voice overs.

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Station logos right in the right side of the screen.

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Tailgaters

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[stackny]

When in Rome...... You wanna move to our country, speak our language, plain and simple. Im not saying you gotta know it as soon as you come here, but give it an honest effort, and dont teach it to your kids. I dont know how many times Ive gone to store and seen people speaking a different and these peoples children speaking the same language. That aint right.

[magicninja]

When in Rome...... You wanna move to our country, speak our language, plain and simple. Im not saying you gotta know it as soon as you come here, but give it an honest effort, and dont teach it to your kids. I dont know how many times Ive gone to store and seen people speaking a different and these peoples children speaking the same language. That aint right.

I think everyone in the world should learn English. That's not the point. Harping on one race because of it is a different story. How much does it effect you really if they can't speak English well? Now how bad do you think it effects them that they live here and can't speak English. If the phone says push 1 for English or 2 for Spanish by GOD just push 1. As for the kids I'll strike down ANY person who says I can't pass on my heritage and culture to my kids. That's an awful thing to say. Deprive the kids of culture and turn them into faceless Americans. And people wonder why the world hates this countries foriegn policy so much.

[stackny]

I think everyone in the world should learn English. That's not the point. Harping on one race because of it is a different story. How much does it effect you really if they can't speak English well? Now how bad do you think it effects them that they live here and can't speak English. If the phone says push 1 for English or 2 for Spanish by GOD just push 1. As for the kids I'll strike down ANY person who says I can't pass on my heritage and culture to my kids. That's an awful thing to say. Deprive the kids of culture and turn them into faceless Americans. And people wonder why the world hates this countries foriegn policy so much.

I aint sayin dont keep your own cultures or be proud of your heritage. Hell, Im Italian and we still do our traditions...But, this is still America, and you wouldnt be doing your kids any good by teaching them Spanish or any other language if you intend on staying here.

Enlighten me on what the problem with our foreign policy is.

[magicninja]

They think everyone has to look american, speak American, live American, BE American. Can't we just be human?

Being multi-lingual is considered a very good rescource to have for alot of careers. Go ahead and stick to English only. Someday you'll be passed over for someone who can talk to more people.

[stackny]

They think everyone has to look american, speak American, live American, BE American. Can't we just be human?

Being multi-lingual is considered a very good rescource to have for alot of careers. Go ahead and stick to English only. Someday you'll be passed over for someone who can talk to more people.

I guess those are ways to look at it....but, we have countries for a reason. Because there are differences between ideas and people. You cant just let everybody in.

[R. Shackleferd]

Hmmm...I'm pretty laid back so not a whole lot gets on my nerves too bad, but let's see:
I can't stand the music on the radio 99 out of 100 times, thus I almost exclusively listen to talk radio now. That's pretty enjoyable, but I hate how they take a commercial/traffic check break every 10 minutes that lasts for another good 10 mins. And speaking of roadway music, I guess I can't stand people who feel they have to blast their music (or at least the bassline of it)to the next block from their cars. And when they pull up next to you at the light they make sure to look (no, make that stare) at you to see if you can hear it, and are impressed enough to think they're cool. I prolly sound like an old man with my lil peeve rant, but I don't care!

*shaking fist in the air* Damn Kids!!

[Cryptic Excretions]

I guess those are ways to look at it....but, we have countries for a reason. Because there are differences between ideas and people. You cant just let everybody in.
Sir, I am going to express that I do not particularly care for the views in which you have expressed in the last few posts. I have not found them open-minded nor have they been considerate of others' views and beliefs in which they were raised into (aka something they can't necessarily help). The expectation that one must cater to another's views when entering a new country (especially one that throws around the word "free" like America: Land of the Free does) isn't overly realistic. Spanish is everywhere and it's not going to leave. That's just the way it is. Sure it'd be convenient if everyone just learned English and was done with it, but that's not right. Spanish has become a very common language in America and to just expect people to cater to the English ways without asking questions is preventing us valuable opportunities to grow as a race. And regarding the statement "You cant just let everybody in. (sic)" think about all the things that have happened in America by American citizens. Americans haven't always been the most pleasing of people to deal with. Is having a second common language really a problem? America's not some golden slab of sacred ground. It's a body of land surrounded by water. There's no need to act like the ground's being tainted because there's an abundance of Spanish-speaking people here.

[Blues_Man]

All im sayin' is that you have to make an effort to learn the language. just try , that's it! Hey, i can understand if some old man moves from mexico to the U.S. and doesn't know english, i'd cut him some slack. I understand it would be very hard to do that, and then try and learn a language, thats tough! I also thing heritage is something that nobody should take away! People should be proud of their heritage and pass it on their kids and so on. Personally, i think everyone should learn to , or try to speak 2 languages. You don't have to, but i think its a good idea to try. Most people in other countries learn 2 languages, english and their regional language, why cant we do the same? I learned to speak spanish so im not just ignorant to one language! this way it can help me in getting a job over someone else, or just be able to talk and communicate with a wider range of people!

[Danny C.]

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TV stations that insist on putting weather warnings over 90% of the screen right in the middle of your favorite show.

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Spike TV compressing and time limiting movies so bad that you can't watch them.

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TBS censusing language with really lame voice overs.

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Station logos right in the right side of the screen.

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Tailgaters

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Yes Yes Yes!
My feelings exactly.

[stackny]

Sir, I am going to express that I do not particularly care for the views in which you have expressed in the last few posts. I have not found them open-minded nor have they been considerate of others' views and beliefs in which they were raised into (aka something they can't necessarily help). The expectation that one must cater to another's views when entering a new country (especially one that throws around the word "free" like America: Land of the Free does) isn't overly realistic. Spanish is everywhere and it's not going to leave. That's just the way it is. Sure it'd be convenient if everyone just learned English and was done with it, but that's not right. Spanish has become a very common language in America and to just expect people to cater to the English ways without asking questions is preventing us valuable opportunities to grow as a race. And regarding the statement "You cant just let everybody in. (sic)" think about all the things that have happened in America by American citizens. Americans haven't always been the most pleasing of people to deal with. Is having a second common language really a problem? America's not some golden slab of sacred ground. It's a body of land surrounded by water. There's no need to act like the ground's being tainted because there's an abundance of Spanish-speaking people here.

Open minded, closed minded, whatever. Im opinionated and thats the way it is. Think we already knew that. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When in the United States, speak our freekin language. No problems making our money, but theres a big uproar when we ask if people could speak our language.

You cant just let everybody in. Why dont we be like France and let all the Muslims in? Wait, now they riot when they get pissed and they cant be controlled cuz theres too many of em. (Not to mention they hate us and have waged war on us.) That statement wasnt directed towards Spanish speaking people, it was directed towards the criticism of our foreign policy.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Open minded, closed minded, whatever. Im opinionated and thats the way it is. Think we already knew that. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When in the United States, speak our freekin language. No problems making our money, but theres a big uproar when we ask if people could speak our language.
Don't you think you're a tad young to be opinionated? There's still much learning to do in life. Why come to you conclusions now? And that's lame accusing them of making our money. If that was true then our bank accounts would be draining into theirs. What they make is what they've earned because they worked for it. They didn't take my money or yours. What they took was up for grabs and that's the way it is. Just because they're biased towards their native language doesn't mean they don't deserve what they've gotten all the same.


You cant just let everybody in. Why dont we be like France and let all the Muslims in? Wait, now they riot when they get pissed and they cant be controlled cuz theres too many of em. (Not to mention they hate us and have waged war on us.) That statement wasnt directed towards Spanish speaking people, it was directed towards the criticism of our foreign policy.
You talk like none of that goes on in America by Americans. Our history isn't exactly clean and our country isn't made of gold. I've got no problems with regulating immigration, but don't act like they owe us for letting them in.

[earthman buck]

*applause*

[sailorjim]

Norton Antivirus hogs too much memory.
use avast you'll love it.... and it is free www.avast.com

[bigbuda]

Biggest Pet Peeves for me are:

When a computer calls you and tells you to hold for the next available sales rep.

1.People that drive right next to eachother on the freeway at 50mph when the speed limit is 70. (I think Leedogg already has this but I hate them too.)

2.Tailgaters!

3.People at the drive through that ask you "Would you like an apple pie with that?" Did I order a freakin apple pie? C'mon

4.When you wanna smoke a fatty but ain't got no papers.

5.People that tell you they will do something but never do it. Oh I hate that!

6.When you're in the middle of a jam session and break an E string only to realize you just put your last set of strings on your axe.

7.When a cop pulls you over and asks you "Do you know why I stopped you?" Ummmm, 'cause you like my truck?

8.This one's for the hunters--When you put on five layers of clothes before the morning hunt and realize you have to pee at the last minute. :D

[stackny]

Don't you think you're a tad young to be opinionated? There's still much learning to do in life. Why come to you conclusions now? And that's lame accusing them of making our money. If that was true then our bank accounts would be draining into theirs. What they make is what they've earned because they worked for it. They didn't take my money or yours. What they took was up for grabs and that's the way it is. Just because they're biased towards their native language doesn't mean they don't deserve what they've gotten all the same.


Oh Im sorry man. Didnt realize there was an age limit on how old you had to be to hold an opinion. Silly me. :o I stand by my thoughts that immigrants should learn our language because I believe when in Rome. You dont come here for the convenience of living in this great country and do things your own way.


You talk like none of that goes on in America by Americans. Our history isn't exactly clean and our country isn't made of gold. I've got no problems with regulating immigration, but don't act like they owe us for letting them in.

I never said Americans were perfect. What I am saying is that the people who come in here need to be monitored and some should not be let in at all for safety reasons.

They dont necessarily owe us for letting them in, but they should pay common courtesy and try their best to be able to function with the majority of society. (And I dont mean function intelectually wise, so dont twist that and make me sound like Im calling immigrants inferior.)

[Rsam16]

Biggest Pet Peeves for me are:

When a computer calls you and tells you to hold for the next available sales rep.

1.People that drive right next to eachother on the freeway at 50mph when the speed limit is 70. (I think Leedogg already has this but I hate them too.)

2.Tailgaters!

3.People at the drive through that ask you "Would you like an apple pie with that?" Did I order a freakin apple pie? C'mon

4.When you wanna smoke a fatty but ain't got no papers.

5.People that tell you they will do something but never do it. Oh I hate that!

6.When you're in the middle of a jam session and break an E string only to realize you just put your last set of strings on your axe.

7.When a cop pulls you over and asks you "Do you know why I stopped you?" Ummmm, 'cause you like my truck?

8.This one's for the hunters--When you put on five layers of clothes before the morning hunt and realize you have to pee at the last minute. :D


Yep... for me number 6 takes the cake. ( :mad: arghh... I hate it when that happens)

[magicninja]

You dont come here for the convenience of living in this great country and do things your own way.

Isn't that the sheep calling the cattle black. I thought that's the whole principle America was founded on. I'm gonna kill my history teacher. :rolleyes:

[bigbuda]

Don't you think you're a tad young to be opinionated? There's still much learning to do in life. Why come to you conclusions now? And that's lame accusing them of making our money. If that was true then our bank accounts would be draining into theirs. What they make is what they've earned because they worked for it. They didn't take my money or yours. What they took was up for grabs and that's the way it is. Just because they're biased towards their native language doesn't mean they don't deserve what they've gotten all the same.


You talk like none of that goes on in America by Americans. Our history isn't exactly clean and our country isn't made of gold. I've got no problems with regulating immigration, but don't act like they owe us for letting them in.


I think my biggest problem is not that immigrants take jobs. It's what they do with that money. Most immigrants don't have bank acounts and send alot of that money home to their families. If you think that them sending our american money to their countries to be spent there instead of here isn't hurting our economy, well you should rethink it a bit.

[magicninja]

People gotta eat buda. America is the richest nation in the world eh? Let the little people scrape off the pan for God's sake.

[Danny C.]

8.This one's for the hunters--When you put on five layers of clothes before the morning hunt and realize you have to pee at the last minute. :D
Man I hate that! That happens to me every deer season. I also hate it when I am sitting in my stand at the crack of dawn freezing my butt off, and my sister wakes up at ten, steps outside and shoot the biggest deer I have ever seen in our neck of the woods.

[bigbuda]

People gotta eat buda. America is the richest nation in the world eh? Let the little people scrape off the pan for God's sake.

Not what I'm getting at my friend. I'm all for folks coming here and making the best of their lives. But alot of illegeals get paid under the table, never pay taxes on their money and send most of their cash home. This is true for russians, cubans, and many other nationalities including mexicans. Simply put it's bad for us, the guys who live by the rules and pay taxes. Not to metion it's bad for the economy.

[bigbuda]

Man I hate that! That happens to me every deer season. I also hate it when I am sitting in my stand at the crack of dawn freezing my butt off, and my sister wakes up at ten, steps outside and shoot the biggest deer I have ever seen in our neck of the woods.

That would get me too. I know a guy who shot the biggest deer within ten miles around in Leon county last year. He was sitting on his front porch drinking beer at the time. :mad:

[magicninja]

Not what I'm getting at my friend. I'm all for folks coming here and making the best of their lives. But alot of illegeals get paid under the table, never pay taxes on their money and send most of their cash home. This is true for russians, cubans, and many other nationalities including mexicans. Simply put it's bad for us, the guys who live by the rules and pay taxes. Not to metion it's bad for the economy.

Does it really? I'd have to say minamally. I'd say there's a ton of rich people spending more money on European vacations, trips to the Bahamas, skiing in the Alps, a weelend in Rio, ect., than what gets sent out by poor people trying to keep their families afloat. This is a horrible side effect of capitalism. Still you have money coming in too. Rich foreigners come here for vacation too. I don't know why. America has become a huge coast to coast mall in my eyes. Yet you have people like the leaders of Enron who are rich enough to begin with, steal more money and destroy the livelyhood of thousands of people. The hard working people you speak of no less. There are bigger causes for a dragging economy than immigrants sending a few hundred dollars a month to thier family. Plus you gotta ask yourself. If you were in thier position would you do the same? I know I would.

[bigbuda]

Does it really? I'd have to say minamally. I'd say there's a ton of rich people spending more money on European vacations, trips to the Bahamas, skiing in the Alps, a weelend in Rio, ect., than what gets sent out by poor people trying to keep their families afloat. This is a horrible side effect of capitalism. Still you have money coming in too. Rich foreigners come here for vacation too. I don't know why. America has become a huge coast to coast mall in my eyes. Yet you have people like the leaders of Enron who are rich enough to begin with, steal more money and destroy the livelyhood of thousands of people. The hard working people you speak of no less. There are bigger causes for a dragging economy than immigrants sending a few hundred dollars a month to thier family.

I agree with you but I was referring to the middle class folk more like myself. Blue Collar Redneck. :cool:

[magicninja]

I agree with you but I was referring to the middle class folk more like myself. Blue Collar Redneck. :cool:

I'm saying immigrants are just a scapegoat. High gas prices, the war, high energy bills(this months heating bill was 1/4 of what i make in a month) are what kills the economy. They have us spending all our money on this essential stuff not to mention food and other things that are MUST HAVES for survival and still expect us to buy an Ipod or some irrelevent BS (not music gear! Thats a must have for some :D ). Thats why the economy is bad buda. When more than half your countries population is barely scraping by and the necessities are that costly no wonder it's going down the drain man.

[bigbuda]

Does it really? I'd have to say minamally. I'd say there's a ton of rich people spending more money on European vacations, trips to the Bahamas, skiing in the Alps, a weelend in Rio, ect., than what gets sent out by poor people trying to keep their families afloat. This is a horrible side effect of capitalism. Still you have money coming in too. Rich foreigners come here for vacation too. I don't know why. America has become a huge coast to coast mall in my eyes. Yet you have people like the leaders of Enron who are rich enough to begin with, steal more money and destroy the livelyhood of thousands of people. The hard working people you speak of no less. There are bigger causes for a dragging economy than immigrants sending a few hundred dollars a month to thier family. Plus you gotta ask yourself. If you were in thier position would you do the same? I know I would.

on a sidenote. Any cruise to the Bahamas will see alot of American Shoreline workers getting paid. Folks get paid to work on these vacation trips like airline pilots and everyone involved with that industry.

I have a good friend in Houston. He is from Cuba and worked for me as a truck driver for several years before I found out how he came to America. This guy floated here on a raft with two friends and he was the only one that made it. He had a wife, a couple of kids, a job, paid taxes out the wazooo for being a truck driver, and he knew how to speak english fairly well. People like him can do whatever the heck they wanna do with their money. I don't care, but if the money is straight sent out of America to be spent somewhere else and no tax has ever been paid on it. Yeah, I got a problem with that.


On the other hand I have a good friend

[Cryptic Excretions]

Oh Im sorry man. Didnt realize there was an age limit on how old you had to be to hold an opinion. Silly me. :o I stand by my thoughts that immigrants should learn our language because I believe when in Rome. You dont come here for the convenience of living in this great country and do things your own way.
I never said there's an age limit. All I suggested was that you don't let yourself become opinionated. That's how you lose your ability to learn and if you can't learn anymore then what good are you to the world? I'll agree that it would be respectable if they were to learn English, but I'm not about to oppose the upbringing of the Spanish language. Again, this is an opportunity to grow, so why resist the change?


I never said Americans were perfect. What I am saying is that the people who come in here need to be monitored and some should not be let in at all for safety reasons.
This being the land of equal rights, if they have to be monitored then so should the natives. They're here to live their lives just like the rest. You've even said it yourself. We're not perfect. The Americans' history is littered with crude stains. Thus we're no better than them because we're guilty of our own crimes. Therefore, why should they be the ones to be monitored? That makes no sense and it's complete and blatant hypocrisy.


They dont necessarily owe us for letting them in, but they should pay common courtesy and try their best to be able to function with the majority of society. (And I dont mean function intelectually wise, so dont twist that and make me sound like Im calling immigrants inferior.)
Well, I probably would twist it around if there was much to twist around. I can't say I'm too sure about the point you're trying to get at. What do you mean by functioning with the majority of society? Do you think they should constantly come and conversate with us or something? Are they supposed to join us in our family reunions? Regardless, it's lame. They don't have to function with us if they don't want to because that's a right they've acquired by living here even though coexisting in the same country as us counts as functioning with not just the majority, but the entirity of society.

[sailorjim]

The expectation that one must cater to another's views when entering a new country (especially one that throws around the word "free" like America: Land of the Free does)

In my younger years I was very fortunate to travel around the world and visit and "be allowed to be a guest" at the countries I visited I met a lot of wonderful people . I was not on vacation I was working and I didn't stay for a few days I stayed months. But as I mentioned I was a guest. And as a guest I had to make an effort to learn thier lanquage, and as a guest I had no right to complain about there house or the views of people in their house (country) and I certainly did't have the right to blow up thier people because I didn't believe in their polital views or religious views. If you go into your neighbors house and he speaks spanish you don't say to him learn engish so you can understand me. No you try to speak spanish... And you also don't insult the family of the house by saying the head of the house is a jerk... They tend to get pissed off and want to send you home.. The nice thing about America is that we are free to say our Government sucks, or we can be any religion we want and our laws even let our guests have those same rights. It is not a right to be a guest in a country it is a privlage.

[bigbuda]

I'm saying immigrants are just a scapegoat. High gas prices, the war, high energy bills(this months heating bill was 1/4 of what i make in a month) are what kills the economy. They have us spending all our money on this essential stuff not to mention food and other things that are MUST HAVES for survival and still expect us to buy an Ipod or some irrelevent BS (not music gear! Thats a must have for some :D ). Thats why the economy is bad buda. When more than half your countries population is barely scraping by and the necessities are that costly no wonder it's going down the drain man.


Very, Very True. :o

[Cryptic Excretions]

In my younger years I was very fortunate to travel around the world and visit and "be allowed to be a guest" at the countries I visited I met a lot of wonderful people . I was not on vacation I was working and I didn't stay for a few days I stayed months. But as I mentioned I was a guest. And as a guest I had to make an effort to learn thier lanquage, and as a guest I had no right to complain about there house or the views of people in their house (country) and I certainly did't have the right to blow up thier people because I didn't believe in their polital views or religious views. If you go into your neighbors house and he speaks spanish you don't say to him learn engish so you can understand me. No you try to speak spanish... And you also don't insult the family of the house by saying the head of the house is a jerk... They tend to get pissed off and want to send you home.. The nice thing about America is that we are free to say our Government sucks, or we can be any religion we want and our laws even let our guests have those same rights. It is not a right to be a guest in a country it is a privlage.
I left myself open for that one, but that wasn't quite the point I was trying to get at. In short my stance is yes it'd be nice if they catered to us a bit, but I don't think they should go all the way. I think we ought to meet them in the happy middle.

[magicninja]

Okay here we go. When was the last time anyone here (and I need everyone to answer becasue it's important) went to a store or what have you only to be helped by someone who didn't speak English? I never have. Always the person at the counter spoke English fine. I've never lost out because I speak English. If you can't handle choosing between English or Spanish on an ATM menu or on the phone raise your hand. I wanna meet the person who's time is that valuable. Point being is that THEY are the ones losing out if they don't learn English, not you. They are the one with the problem, not you. I cannot believe what a whiny, selfish society we live in. Oh, but as long as you send your 5 cents a day to the little starvin' children it's ok to think like that. :rolleyes: Humanity is finished if we can't get off of the racial trainwreck.

[sailorjim]

I left myself open for that one, but that wasn't quite the point I was trying to get at. In short my stance is yes it'd be nice if they catered to us a bit, but I don't think they should go all the way. I think we ought to meet them in the happy middle.

It is funny to look at how sociaty has changed here. In the 60' and early 70's , (I can't go back to the 50"s). The attitude was The lanquage for this country is English learn it... If you didn't, you got left behind. Somwhere a long the line things changed. I think it started with rest room signs.. Now you can find street signs in 4 or five differnt languagues. You buy a car today and the manual it is wrtten in a slew of languages. (As you notice from my spelling I don't have the english language down pat yet either.) You call your bank today and you get a call center in India you can't understand a darn word they are saying and it is so frustrating. I think I like it better before... Which brings me to my pet peeve. Call centers in India....

[acapella]

Okay, this seems like the kind of thing I'm gonna let a lot of crap back for posting in, but I don't care. I don't believe that anybody should be able to say who you are allowed to be. How can anybody say, "if you want to come to this country for whatever reason that's fine, but leave who you are at the door. Oh, and once you get here don't be surprised if the fact that you weren't born here offends and angers a lot of people." Those people didn't CHOOSE where they were born any more than Americans did. Why do you feel that just because you live in America means you should get to choose how everybody else in America lives their own life? It's really none of your business what language other people speak, there is no time when it will hurt you or really affect you in any way. Maybe it would be easier for an immigrant if they learned english when they came to a largely english-speaking country, but if they choose not to for whatever reason, thats their choice. Not yours. If somebody wants to have keep their own culture and heritage at the cost of inconveniencing themself, that's their choice, and their right as an Amerian. That's right, they are Americans too. And having to choose between a language on a menu is JUST as inconvenient for them as for you. So how about everybody mind their own business, and stop putting down people just because they're different from you. I could go on, but I'm sure I would only open myself to more bull**** from people than I already have. But please go ahead and tell me that I'm wrong or an idiot or whatever you want, I fully expect it, and besides it's your right to tell me that if you want to, and everyone's rights should be valued.

[sailorjim]

Oh, and once you get here don't be surprised if the fact that you weren't born here offends and angers a lot of people." Those people didn't CHOOSE where they were born any more than Americans did. Why do you feel that just because you live in America means you should get to choose how everybody else in America lives their own life? It's really none of your business what language other people speak, there is no time when it will hurt you or really affect you in any way. .

I think it is only a few people who really care what language other speak. But sometimes it does get weired a few years back in a Boston school a parent was demanding that there be duplicate classes, one for english and one for spanish I don't just mean it was one class it was all the classes needed from 1st to 12th it went to court.. I don't know what happened but I think it got shot down. It would be nice But the cost of duplicating a whole education system seems to be a bit drastic.. It really doesn't get that kid to where he can communicate in a mostly english speaking country and possibly limiting his potential... In the case that a person doesn't want to change his language. This is a great country they can do that.. But in a society which speakes a diffrent language puts you with only the small group you can comunicate with. Most likely limiting thier possiblities. And the same goes for us. If we can comunicate with english langauge and spanish now our horizons open up........

[Akira]

Stackny: You are one of the most fascist people I have ever encountered. Through reading your views on this thread I have lost alot of respect for you.

magicninja: I agree with you on everything you said.

That's all I have to say about that.

[earthman buck]

I also agree with all ninja had to say.

[acapella]

I think it is only a few people who really care what language other speak. But sometimes it does get weired a few years back in a Boston school a parent was demanding that there be duplicate classes, one for english and one for spanish I don't just mean it was one class it was all the classes needed from 1st to 12th it went to court.. I don't know what happened but I think it got shot down. It would be nice But the cost of duplicating a whole education system seems to be a bit drastic.. It really doesn't get that kid to where he can communicate in a mostly english speaking country and possibly limiting his potential... In the case that a person doesn't want to change his language. This is a great country they can do that.. But in a society which speakes a diffrent language puts you with only the small group you can comunicate with. Most likely limiting thier possiblities. And the same goes for us. If we can comunicate with english langauge and spanish now our horizons open up........
Exactly what I am getting at, if people want to speak a language that isn't english, that's their own choice and they aren't hurting anybody except possibly themselves. It is great that people have that choice, now if only more people could respect that choice and those people.

[Jolly McJollyson]

You dont come here for the convenience of living in this great country and do things your own way.
HA! Hilarious.

[Jolly McJollyson]

They dont necessarily owe us for letting them in, but they should pay common courtesy and try their best to be able to function with the majority of society. (And I dont mean function intelectually wise, so dont twist that and make me sound like Im calling immigrants inferior.)
If we should all function with the majority of society, then you should hate George W. Bush. His approval rating is, what? 38%? Guess that means the majority of society is functioning a different direction. Straighten up and fly right or go back to Mexico, dude.

[stackny]

And it all comes back to when in Rome people. I say functioning with the majority of society by speaking the dominant language. English. The language of the US and the language of money. Im not gonna go to Japan and bitch and moan that nobody speaks English because Im where? Japan! They speak freekin Japanese. I realize that, and so should immigrants who come here and wanna bitch that we're trying to suck them into the stereotypical American culture. Maybe 200 years ago you came here and did things the way it was in the old land, but we have established some things since then.

[stackny]

PS-Jolly, it all depends on the pole youre looking at chief. ;)

[acapella]

Im not gonna go to Japan and bitch and moan that nobody speaks English because Im where? Japan! They speak freekin Japanese.
Who says that they are bitching about anything? You seem to be the one doing the bitching.

[earthman buck]

And it all comes back to when in Rome people. I say functioning with the majority of society by speaking the dominant language. English. The language of the US and the language of money. Im not gonna go to Japan and bitch and moan that nobody speaks English because Im where? Japan! They speak freekin Japanese. I realize that, and so should immigrants who come here and wanna bitch that we're trying to suck them into the stereotypical American culture. Maybe 200 years ago you came here and did things the way it was in the old land, but we have established some things since then.

Immigrants don't bitch that no one speaks their language! They know what they're getting into when they enter a country. Also, they're generally pretty glad to be where they end up. They often come from oppressive home countries.

I bet if you had your way, you'd change America's motto to "America: Land of the free.......just do everything we do or we'll ship you out."

[Cryptic Excretions]

And it all comes back to when in Rome people. I say functioning with the majority of society by speaking the dominant language. English. The language of the US and the language of money. Im not gonna go to Japan and bitch and moan that nobody speaks English because Im where? Japan! They speak freekin Japanese. I realize that, and so should immigrants who come here and wanna bitch that we're trying to suck them into the stereotypical American culture. Maybe 200 years ago you came here and did things the way it was in the old land, but we have established some things since then.
Raise your hand if you recall ever hearing any people pissed because Americans didn't change the dominant language to Spanish because they've moved here. I know there are plenty of people here that speak Spanish who can translate. Magicninja? Have you ever come across anyone that was bitching because English is the most common language? Seems like the only people that are bitching are the ones that have assumed that they're trying to alter things. The people that have catered to their Spanish-biased ways are the people that don't want to lose them as customers. ATMS and phones are Spanish friendly because, even if they can speak English, Spanish is still their native language thus they have a firmer grasp on it and all the more you can use to persuade someone to use your services all the better. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. Your house doesn't have an English/Spanish option at the front door, but then again, you're not selling anything. If you had a business, would you want to limit your customers? And for the record, things are never "established." To have something established is to be finished. The human race is a constantly growing entity. As time passes, we discover newer technologies, newer ideas, newer directions, everything. To establish something is to say we're done growing and to finish growing is to finish living.

[acapella]

Immigrants don't bitch that no one speaks their language! They know what they're getting into when they enter a country. Also, they're generally pretty glad to be where they end up. They often come from oppressive home countries.

I bet if you had your way, you'd change America's motto to "America: Land of the free.......just do everything we do or we'll ship you out."

I'm glad to see somebody agrees with me. At least there are a few decent people around here.

You too Cryptic. didn't read your post in time.

[stackny]

My motto would actually be something more like "WHEN IN THE UNITED STATES, SPEAK FREEKIN ENGLISH!!!!"

[Cryptic Excretions]

PS-Jolly, it all depends on the pole youre looking at chief. ;)
Which pole? The realistic pole? Or the hypocritical pole that will bend the rules in its favor even if it includes violating things it particularly believes in just so it doesn't have to confront the possibility that it might be wrong?

[acapella]

My motto would actually be something more like "WHEN IN THE UNITED STATES, SPEAK FREEKIN ENGLISH!!!!"
Your one to talk.Obviously YOU haven't mastered the language yet.

[earthman buck]

My motto would actually be something more like "WHEN IN THE UNITED STATES, SPEAK FREEKIN ENGLISH!!!!"
Sounds the same to me.

You kinda remind me of a guy I know of......I think his name was....Adolf something.......

[Cryptic Excretions]

I'm glad to see somebody agrees with me. At least there are a few decent people around here.

You too Cryptic. didn't read your post in time.
Yay. I'm a decent person.

[stackny]

Ok, ok, that was a false statement to say they bitch. I admit that, so drop it. But the fact that Spanish needs to be an option pisses me off. When you call the department of unemployment "English or Espagnol" or however the f you spell. They collect federal money. Speak the language.

And Acapella, who the f you kidding? Everybody here agrees with you. Im not an indecent person, just not as tolerant as everyone else here.

[Cryptic Excretions]

My motto would actually be something more like "WHEN IN THE UNITED STATES, SPEAK FREEKIN ENGLISH!!!!"
Isn't America's motto supposed to include "Land of the Free" somewhere in it?

[stackny]

Well, Im off to work. Then I think Ill go murder 7,000,000 innocent Jews.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Ok, ok, that was a false statement to say they bitch. I admit that, so drop it. But the fact that Spanish needs to be an option pisses me off. When you call the department of unemployment "English or Espagnol" or however the f you spell. They collect federal money. Speak the language.

And Acapella, who the f you kidding? Everybody here agrees with you. Im not an indecent person, just not as tolerant as everyone else here.
And it comes down to the business aspect. A lot of the people that choose Spanish can speak English. It's their native language though, so they understand it better. And for some things, like, paying your bills over the phone or whatever, you don't really want to choose a language you don't have a firm grasp on and risk misunderstanding and hitting something wrong, now do you? And the business world comes in that why limit their customer range? If they're only fit for people that speak English, then that's a big group of people you just chunk off. Paying customers. I don't think they're going to knock off a huge chunk of customers because you're inconvenienced by having to push 1 on your phone. For Christ's sake it's 1. The English option is the first option. Just dial your damn number and add an extra 1 on the end of it and it'll skip right over the language selection. Just imagine that you have to dial an 8 digit phone number. You know, there are a lot of people that would give a lot of things to have dialing an extra number on a phone in their list of problems in their lives.

And on the statement to Acapella. No one's saying that they shouldn't at least try and learn the language, but don't act like you've been dealt a bad hand because people have adapted to live with Mexicans rather than living against them. Think about it.

[Jolly McJollyson]

PS-Jolly, it all depends on the pole youre looking at chief. ;)
Not sure what you mean...I'm not looking at any poles. The official polls, however, show Bush's approval rating at around 36-38% (I refer mostly to the Gallup poll, one I find very keen). These are usually quite accurate, so I don't see what the problem here is. To say "depends on the 'pole'" is to be in denial.

[earthman buck]

Well, Im off to work. Then I think Ill go murder 7,000,000 innocent Jews.
HA! I knew it!

[acapella]

Well, Im off to work. Then I think Ill go murder 7,000,000 innocent Jews.

Okay, kidding or not, if I said that I'd be banned in a second.

[stackny]

Guys, Ive been doing some thinking about this thread and Ive realized I have no point at all. Im speaking from my own personal opinions that are basisless. I apologize if my views have offended you, but Im a firm believer of When In Rome. Really a feeling that cant be defended, simply a personal view. So Ill admit my arguing this was stupid.

[stackny]

Okay, kidding or not, if I said that I'd be banned in a second.

PS-If I said something that would get you banned, Id sure as hell be banned myself. Ive pissed a lot of people off here, and I really dont think Id be missed. :D

[earthman buck]

Guys, Ive been doing some thinking about this thread and Ive realized I have no point at all. Im speaking from my own personal opinions that are basisless. I apologize if my views have offended you, but Im a firm believer of When In Rome. Really a feeling that cant be defended, simply a personal view. So Ill admit my arguing this was stupid.
Yeah, no one wins these arguments. It's your right to say your opinions though, so no one can really blame you for that. We can, however blame you for your crazy-ass views..... :)

[Cryptic Excretions]

Guys, Ive been doing some thinking about this thread and Ive realized I have no point at all. Im speaking from my own personal opinions that are basisless. I apologize if my views have offended you, but Im a firm believer of When In Rome. Really a feeling that cant be defended, simply a personal view. So Ill admit my arguing this was stupid.
I can't really speak for anyone else, but personally I've yet to be offended by your opinions. The thing that bugs me the most about your views is that they're exactly what you've just said they are. They're basisless. You have no reason to feel the way you do, you've not read into anything, you couldn't even explain it yourself why you think what you think. And it shows when you talk. You're right that a feeling can't be defended, but a feeling can be explored. If you look into it you might find that you don't actually believe in what you've been defending all this time. So here you sit, defending a certain view that very well might be supporting something that you don't want to support and you don't know this because you've never explored past pushing the 1 button on your phone to choose English.

On a side note... shouldn't you be working?

[acapella]

I think all the points on this have been made that can, so back to the actual topic, one thing that really pisses me off is when people try to talk about bands they don't know anything about, like when people try to talk about Nirvana when all they ever heard is some stuff from Nevermind and possibly some In Utero singles. Most of these people know nothing about the band except that Kurt is dead, but they act like they actually know something about it. And this goes for many other bands as well. If you feel the same as me, you'll get this right away.

[earthman buck]

I think all the points on this have been made that can, so back to the actual topic, one thing that really pisses me off is when people try to talk about bands they don't know anything about, like when people try to talk about Nirvana when all they ever heard is some stuff and Nevermind and possibly some In Utero singles. Most of these people know nothing about the band except that Kurt is dead, but they act like they actually know something about it. And this goes for many other bands as well. If you feel the same as me, you'll get this right away.
Can you play "nirvana rape me"?

[HDJ]

Am I the only hispanic guy on here? Leave my brown brothers ALONE! :mad:
I do agree that they need to learn English but **** give people some time. English is said to be the hardest second language to learn. Check the racism at the door gentlemen.

Hope I didn't offend you with my comment about spanish on the ATM's. Didn't mean to if I did.....just expressed one of the little things that annoys me that really shouldn't. It has nothing to do with race.....

[acapella]

Note I edited that to some stuff FROM nevermind, instead of AND. that was a silly mistake.

[Cryptic Excretions]

I think all the points on this have been made that can, so back to the actual topic, one thing that really pisses me off is when people try to talk about bands they don't know anything about, like when people try to talk about Nirvana when all they ever heard is some stuff from Nevermind and possibly some In Utero singles. Most of these people know nothing about the band except that Kurt is dead, but they act like they actually know something about it. And this goes for many other bands as well. If you feel the same as me, you'll get this right away.
You mean scenesters? Scenesters in general blow.

[acapella]

You mean scenesters? Scenesters in general blow.
I'm not familiar with the term, but with a name that ends in "sters" they can't be good.

[stackny]

I can't really speak for anyone else, but personally I've yet to be offended by your opinions. The thing that bugs me the most about your views is that they're exactly what you've just said they are. They're basisless. You have no reason to feel the way you do, you've not read into anything, you couldn't even explain it yourself why you think what you think. And it shows when you talk. You're right that a feeling can't be defended, but a feeling can be explored. If you look into it you might find that you don't actually believe in what you've been defending all this time. So here you sit, defending a certain view that very well might be supporting something that you don't want to support and you don't know this because you've never explored past pushing the 1 button on your phone to choose English.

On a side note... shouldn't you be working?

Cryptic, not all of my views are basisless. Most are based on religion. This one however, is just based on the fact that Im a redneck and I think people should speak English in American. Im really not a sensitive person, Im pretty ethnocentric, and to be honest I dont really care. But to say ALL my views are basisless is just plain untrue.

I work at a middle school in my colleges work study program and I just go and work whenever possible.

[earthman buck]

Cryptic, not all of my views are basisless. Most are based on religion. This one however, is just based on the fact that Im a redneck and I think people should speak English in American. Im really not a sensitive person, Im pretty ethnocentric, and to be honest I dont really care. But to say ALL my views are basisless is just plain untrue.

I work at a middle school in my colleges work study program and I just go and work whenever possible.
Ok, whatever. Let's just keep this the thread Schmange intended it to be. You can always start a new one if you wanna keep talking about this.

[acapella]

Ok, whatever. Let's just keep this the thread Schmange intended it to be. You can always start a new one if you wanna keep talking about this.
That's what I've been TRYING to do! Now respond to my post, or make a new one! Pet peeves, people!

[Akira]

Im pretty ethnocentric, and to be honest I dont really care.

Wow, no ****.

To be honest I think you ought to care, because it's not getting yourself anywhere.

[HDJ]

Well, apparently I started all this racial crap when I said that one of my Pet Peeves is having to choose English or Spanish on an ATM.....I apologize to all for getting everyone's panties in a wad...

I also want to say that my comment has nothing to do with race, it got turned into a racial thing, which is another one of my pet peeves. I don't care what race anyone is, I would have said the same thing if I had to choose English or French on an ATM.

One more thing, I have no problem with people speaking different languages, nobody is trying to keep Magicninja from passing on his heritage to his kids, you should do that Magic.....just don't take offense to stupid comments that a little mutt like me has to say and go off about racism.

[rockonn91]

well, this thread went downhill fast.

[stackny]

Wow, no ****.

To be honest I think you ought to care, because it's not getting yourself anywhere.

Ohhhhhhhh, and its really stopped from getting wherever "anywhere" is. :rolleyes: Im suprised this thread made you lose respect for me Akira, cuz I never thought you respected me in the fisrt place. Shucks.

[Cryptic Excretions]

I'm not familiar with the term, but with a name that ends in "sters" they can't be good.
Scene + sters = scenesters. I guess it's not as common of a term as I thought it was. Basically it refers to people that are involved in things for the image of being involved in it. Not that they actually know anything about it or really care. They just want to show everyone that they're involved in it.

[Akira]

Ohhhhhhhh, and its really stopped from getting wherever "anywhere" is. :rolleyes: Im suprised this thread made you lose respect for me Akira, cuz I never thought you respected me in the fisrt place. Shucks.

I meant "getting anywhere" with reference to your popularity on here.

I was actually gaining a little respect for you up until this thread.

Ohwell.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Cryptic, not all of my views are basisless. Most are based on religion. This one however, is just based on the fact that Im a redneck and I think people should speak English in American. Im really not a sensitive person, Im pretty ethnocentric, and to be honest I dont really care. But to say ALL my views are basisless is just plain untrue.

I just don't get the mentality that you operate on.

[magicninja]

JFrick: Not really your fault and I understand it wasn't racial. I wouldn't however post anything to do with race unless I was defending someone. I don't just defend my race either. There was a thread where I had a go at 6strngs for some comments about Asians. I think it diminishes you as a human being if there is anything that bothers you about a certain race, Especially in America where we have no identity. I'm sure the world views us as white. Every President and diplomat we've ever had was white. However anyone who lives here know Americans are black. white, brown, asian, indian, etc. We are the world. Fighting amongst ourselves over something as tactless as color of skin over content of character is outright stupidity and will be our downfall. Has it come so far where we cant handle pushing 1 for English and 2 for Spanish? God, I hope not. The essential fabric on which our country was founded was that ALL men are created equal. If we as the young generation cannot adhere to that value then why do we continue to live? Should we pass these ideas to our children to have them continue the mistakes we as a society has made for hundreds of years. When does it end. It is a bit idealistic to believe it can end with us. However if we can convince a few people like stackny to be more tolerant then we have succeeded. Because he will pass his values to his kids and so on and so on until the idea of racism is stricken from our vocabulary. Will it take time? Sure it will but it is a goal that requires our full attention. Once we get over that hill humanity can focus on the important thing. Keeping our species alive. Killing eachother over egocentric political and religious agendas needs to be eradicated or the future of humanity is doomed.

Vote for Pedro.

[earthman buck]

*clap...........clap.....clap..clap clap clap clapclapclap*

*tear falls slowly from eye*

You should run for Prez, ninja. Of course, I won't be able to vote, being Canadian and all. But if you win, I'll defect to the States. ;)

[stackny]

Am I racist? Hell no. The day you hear me telling my kids that the white race is superior to another race is a nonexistant day. I just see it as common courtesy of adapting the basic ways of a country when you move to it for your benefit. Nothing more.

Racism is when you see your race as superior to others. I do not. I may look at, for instance, Muslims and judge the motive of their terrorist attacks according to what our society and my religion determines as right or wrong without trying to further understand because I believe murder is wrong. Thats ethnocentrism. Ethnocentrism is inevitable if you hold any set law of moral standards such as the laws that the Bible tells us to obey.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Am I racist? Hell no. The day you hear me telling my kids that the white race is superior to another race is a nonexistant day. I just see it as common courtesy of adapting the basic ways of a country when you move to it for your benefit. Nothing more.

Racism is when you see your race as superior to others. I do not. I may look at, for instance, Muslims and judge the motive of their terrorist attacks according to what our society and my religion determines as right or wrong without trying to further understand because I believe murder is wrong. Thats ethnocentrism. Ethnocentrism is inevitable if you hold any set law of moral standards such as the laws that the Bible tells us to obey.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ethnocentric
eth·no·cen·trism Pronunciation Key (thn-sntrzm)
n.
Belief in the superiority of one's own ethnic group.
Overriding concern with race.

For Christ's sake, make up your own goddamn rules in life. You don't need some dogma telling you what your stance is on everything. If you don't feel racist thoughts then don't claim to be ethocentric because you think your bible is making that impossible. It makes absolutely no sense. We are God's creation, yet at the same time he wants us to feel superior over another race? Even though he sent Jesus to tell everyone how he loves us equally? Where's the logic? Who ever said God works in mysterious ways wasn't kidding.

[stackny]

Definition from my Sociology textbook of ethnocentrism:

"Ethnocentrism is the tendency to judge other cultures exclusively by the standards of one's own."

That being said, I know murder is wrong, so Im not going to try to see it from the Muslims eyes to why its wrong. I actually do understand why, because the Koran says to wage war on the infidels aka everyone who isnt Muslim.

There is no superiority here. By my definition of ethnocentrism there isnt anyways. If your definition is correct, then Im not ethnocentric.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Definition from my Sociology textbook of ethnocentrism:

"Ethnocentrism is the tendency to judge other cultures exclusively by the standards of one's own."

That being said, I know murder is wrong, so Im not going to try to see it from the Muslims eyes to why its wrong. I actually do understand why, because the Koran says to wage war on the infidels aka everyone who isnt Muslim.

There is no superiority here. By my definition of ethnocentrism there isnt anyways. If your definition is correct, then Im not ethnocentric.
Ah, well, I dunno. Here I was seeing ethnocentrism being thrown around like a hot potato and wondering where the racism wasn't at only to be confronted with a differing definition. Dictionary or textbook. I dunno.

[magicninja]

JFrick: Not really your fault and I understand it wasn't racial. I wouldn't however post anything to do with race unless I was defending someone. I don't just defend my race either. There was a thread where I had a go at 6strngs for some comments about Asians. I think it diminishes you as a human being if there is anything that bothers you about a certain race, Especially in America where we have no identity. I'm sure the world views us as white. Every President and diplomat we've ever had was white. However anyone who lives here know Americans are black. white, brown, asian, indian, etc. We are the world. Fighting amongst ourselves over something as tactless as color of skin over content of character is outright stupidity and will be our downfall. Has it come so far where we cant handle pushing 1 for English and 2 for Spanish? God, I hope not. The essential fabric on which our country was founded was that ALL men are created equal. If we as the young generation cannot adhere to that value then why do we continue to live? Should we pass these ideas to our children to have them continue the mistakes we as a society has made for hundreds of years. When does it end. It is a bit idealistic to believe it can end with us. However if we can convince a few people like stackny to be more tolerant then we have succeeded. Because he will pass his values to his kids and so on and so on until the idea of racism is stricken from our vocabulary. Will it take time? Sure it will but it is a goal that requires our full attention. Once we get over that hill humanity can focus on the important thing. Keeping our species alive. Killing eachother over egocentric political and religious agendas needs to be eradicated or the future of humanity is doomed.

Vote for Pedro.

I said what I needed to here, everyone has said thier piece. Let's just let it go now. stackny I do not believe you are a racist but are as intolerant as anybody I've met. You are going to be a very grumpy old man someday. Cryptic right on I'm glad you're on board with us on this one. let's let go now it's played itself out.

[stackny]

Maybe ethnocentric isnt the right word. I should understand why they came upon the ideas they have but I shouldnt necessarily see them as good or just reasons. Its kinda hard to find the motive of an action if you arent willing to look at the reason it was commited..... So yeah, bad word choice on my part.

[Cryptic Excretions]

I said what I needed to here, everyone has said thier piece. Let's just let it go now. stackny I do not believe you are a racist but are as intolerant as anybody I've met. You are going to be a very grumpy old man someday. Cryptic right on I'm glad you're on board with us on this one. let's let go now it's played itself out.
Yeah. I'm gonna go ahead and resign from this debate. All the points and views have been expressed already and this debate wasn't as fun as the age ol' relgion debate. Cheers guys.

[magicninja]

Good, civil discussion I hope we all learned something.

[stackny]

Ninja, Ill have you know Im actually a nice person. I just see tolerance as the gateway to a lot of bad things. Thats all tolerance is, is the gateway to something else. How far will we let it go? Idk...But yeah Ill let this one go to and I think Ill take a thing or two from it.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Rrrrrrggghhh.... I'm a liar.
Tolerance = gateway to bad things
Acceptance = gateway to good things

[magicninja]

Ninja, Ill have you know Im actually a nice person. I just see tolerance as the gateway to a lot of bad things. Thats all tolerance is, is the gateway to something else. How far will we let it go? Idk...But yeah Ill let this one go to and I think Ill take a thing or two from it.

I'll leave you with this thought however unrealistic. If EVERYONE in the world preached, taught and lived a tolerant lifestyle, there would be no need for any bad things to happan. Intolerance on ly leads to anger and hate. Which in my opinion is the wrong way to go. We do live in dangerous times. I don't have any doubt about that. Not all muslims or americans or what have you is born bad and intolerant it is something that is learned.

Edit: Cryptic is right tolerance really isn't enough.

[R. Shackleferd]

Wow, ya'll sure were busy today on this thread, but it doesn't look like I really missed anything. :rolleyes:
How about a pet peeve of checking your e-mails, seeing a reply to a Guitar-tricks thread, and it takes a good 30 mins to catch up on all the posts! j/k :)

[ericthecableguy]

You should run for Prez, ninja. Of course, I won't be able to vote, being Canadian and all.

What in this world could make you prouder? :D

Oh Canada,
Our...*tears*...home...and...*tears*

[ericthecableguy]

Wow, ya'll sure were busy today on this thread, but it doesn't look like I really missed anything. :rolleyes:
How about a pet peeve of checking your e-mails, seeing a reply to a Guitar-tricks thread, and it takes a good 30 mins to catch up on all the posts! j/k :)

Ha, ya. :D

[ericthecableguy]

Just wondering Magicninja, how Mexican are you? I'm just interested in cultural stuff.

[magicninja]

Mexican-American. I don't speak with an overly latin accent but when I do it's perfect. I can speak fluent Spanish. I don't know for sure but I believe I'm the fifth generation of my family actually born in America. Well discount that NM has only really been a state since 1912. My great grand father was born in this area in 1885. My favorite food is mexican food. My father spoke only Spanish until he was forced to speak English in order to go to school in the 50's. I'm nice color brown. Though my ass is pretty white. How Mexican does that make me? None at all I'm an American. ;)

[Cryptic Excretions]

Though my ass is pretty white.
It's a good thing you cleared that one up for us.

[magicninja]

Yeah, I know.

[bigbuda]

Mexican-American. I don't speak with an overly latin accent but when I do it's perfect. I can speak fluent Spanish. I don't know for sure but I believe I'm the fifth generation of my family actually born in America. Well discount that NM has only really been a state since 1912. My great grand father was born in this area in 1885. My favorite food is mexican food. My father spoke only Spanish until he was forced to speak English in order to go to school in the 50's. I'm nice color brown. Though my ass is pretty white. How Mexican does that make me? None at all I'm an American. ;)

Well.....I'd have to say, that would make you almost 100% mexican but it sounds like you got white ass genes. So that would make you about 90% mexican. :D

[Cryptic Excretions]

Well.....I'd have to say, that would make you almost 100% mexican but it sounds like you got white ass genes. So that would make you about 90% mexican. :D
So his ass is 10% of him as a whole? Let's see... 80% water + 10% ass + 10% everything else = Magicninja.

[magicninja]

Nah I'm more complex than that, my makeup would kinda look like the quadratic formula.

[acapella]

It's disturbing how quickly this thread went from pet peeves to racial discussion to Magicninja's ass.

[bigbuda]

Nah I'm more complex than that, my makeup would kinda look like the quadratic formula.


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b161/bigbuda/equation3.gif

equals one cool hombre...... :cool:

[acapella]

Man, I just finished Senior 3 Pre-Calc, the last thing I want to see before I go to sleep is the quadratic formula. And the nightmares were almost gone... :(

[Leedogg]

My pet peeve is dragging ass all day through work, then coming home and being tired some more, then miraculously around 8pm getting the energy of a coke-head on xanny bars and I end up staying up until 2am reading ridiculous posts and not practicing.

[Kevin Taylor]

I'm not racists.
I own a color tv.

[Akira]

It's disturbing how quickly this thread went from pet peeves to racial discussion to Magicninja's ass.

Hahaha. Scary stuff.

[HDJ]

My pet peeve is dragging ass all day through work, then coming home and being tired some more, then miraculously around 8pm getting the energy of a coke-head on xanny bars and I end up staying up until 2am reading ridiculous posts and not practicing.

Xanny bars give you energy? Those things make me sleep for like 14 hours...

[HDJ]

Magicninja.....Cool, let's put this thread behind us...

[Leedogg]

Xanny bars give you energy? Those things make me sleep for like 14 hours...

Yea, but if you're blowin' rails with 'em your in a weird in-between state. You're sleepy but can't fall asleep.

[HDJ]

Yea, but if you're blowin' rails with 'em your in a weird in-between state. You're sleepy but can't fall asleep.

Ahh, never touched the other stuff but that makes sense. I've got a script for Xannies, anxiety problems. They do mix well with other mind altering substances though. :D

[83261_sid]

every time i get on my online radio when a new song starts there is a loud "ding" and it asks me if i want to listen to a diferent genre of music. it realy gets my blood boiling after a few songs.

[Akira]

every time i get on my online radio when a new song starts there is a loud "ding" and it asks me if i want to listen to a diferent genre of music. it realy gets my blood boiling after a few songs.

On some radio stations on itunes, when you tune to a station, it has a minute of advertisements at the start, it really does get on my nerves.

[acapella]

My pet peeve is when you have over 150 posts and still no rep points, the thing I wanted most from life.

[rockonn91]

STOP BEGGING! :mad:


lol :p

[Tele Master]

People who don't cut the end of their guitar strings after they are on the guitar

People who drive slow in the fast lane and don't know it. It's different if your Denis Leary and actually are an a**hole, but to the people who don't want to obey the limit...GET OFF THE ROAD!!!

[rockonn91]

i cut every other one off. and the ones i dont cut i stick popcorn on. :rolleyes:

[HDJ]

People who don't cut the end of their guitar strings after they are on the guitar

That is annoying........

I hate when grocery stores have 20 check out lanes, but only 3 are open with 10 people in line at each one.

[Kevin Taylor]

What in this world could make you prouder? :D

Oh Canada,
Our...*tears*...home...and...*tears*

When I first moved to Canada when I was a kid, I thought the words to that song were...
"Oh Canada... our home and hated land"

[Kevin Taylor]

So what if you accidentally press the button to do something you don't want? Then wouldn't you want to be warned, and have a chance to back out?

One thing I hate is when your reading something long and the stupid screensaver comes on...I guess I could fix that by turning it off, but it's too much trouble just to turn it off read one thing, then turn it back on, and I always forget anyway.

yeah, but in ten years of using computers, I can only remember once making a mistake and accidentally erasing something. Even then, I can still go to my backup.
It's like... warning messages for stupid people. At least give me the option of turning the warning off.
Even the PVR I just bought does it.
"Are you sure you want to erase that program?"
Yes!!! I'm sure I want to friggin erase it.. or I wouldn't have pushed the button for gods sake. ... just erase it!!!"

Like, who was the person who made it a law that every action on a computer had to have a reminder warning on it?
Some of us have enough intelligence to know what we're doing ya know.

Second on my list of pet peeves are messages telling me what I've already done... "you have just updated your list of MP3's... press ok to continue"
Arrghhh.... I know I just updated my list of MP3's because that's what I was just doing!!!"

It's like driving a car and turning left and some computer voice keeps saying "you have just made a left hand turn"... or getting into an elevator and pressing the third floor and a voice says "you have just selected the third floor, are you sure that's the floor you want to go to??"

[earthman buck]

When I first moved to Canada when I was a kid, I thought the words to that song were...
"Oh Canada... our home and hated land"

Hahaha. Sometimes I wonder.....

[alucard0941]

Well, Im off to work. Then I think Ill go murder 7,000,000 innocent Jews.
Ay ay ay!!!
Vamanos hermanos...el proximo tiempo, el loco va a comernos... :p

[Cryptic Excretions]

It's like driving a car and turning left and some computer voice keeps saying "you have just made a left hand turn"... or getting into an elevator and pressing the third floor and a voice says "you have just selected the third floor, are you sure that's the floor you want to go to??"
That's a very good comparison.

[ericthecableguy]

Hahaha. Sometimes I wonder.....
Why so? :confused:

[earthman buck]

Why so? :confused:

Well, this is the pet peeves thread, so I suppose telling you why would fit in nicely.

It all revolves around the national anthem for me. Every morning at school, they make us stand for the national anthem. I realize it's probably the same way in every school in every country, and it's really not a lot to ask, but it still pisses me off. "True North strong and free," eh? Yeah, it's a free country. Totally. Now STAND UP!!!

This is especially enraging at Remembrance Day services. Yes, a bunch of people died so I can live my life Nazi-free. I get it. And I appreciate it, really I do. I just find a large amount of hypocrisy in the statement "In honour of those who died to make this free country the free country it is today, stand up and be quiet for a set amount of time, or else."

And who said I want to honour this country anyway? I don't understand patriotism very much. A country's a country. I was born here. That's my only real tie with this chunk of land I live on. Why should I be expected to love this country?

I mean, it's not like I hate living here. Living here is all I've ever known, and there are definitely worse places to live, from what I hear. I just think all countries have their flaws, Canada among them. Why make it out to be so great?

Standing up takes no effort for me. It's not like I'm 500 pounds, which would be a better reason for my complaining. I'd just much rather not do it. I always ask authority figures why we must stand at silence during these services and during the national anthem. They usually respond with "It's the least you can do." Wrong. In any given instance, the least I can do is nothing. I'd rather honour the spirit of freedom by doing nothing. Doing what I'm forced to do makes me dislike my country.

Anyhow, that's why.

[ericthecableguy]

And who said I want to honour this country anyway? I don't understand patriotism very much. A country's a country. I was born here. That's my only real tie with this chunk of land I live on. Why should I be expected to love this country?



ok...well I did ask.
I don't really think you understand what it is to live in this country.
I understand what you mean, don't really agree, but hey, it's you're opinion, and since this is a free country, you get one.

[earthman buck]

ok...well I did ask.
I don't really think you understand what it is to live in this country.
I understand what you mean, don't really agree, but hey, it's you're opinion, and since this is a free country, you get one.

This is the internet. :)

[ericthecableguy]

This is the internet. :)

THE WEB :cool: .
Hehe you could be a woman.

[Akira]

Hehe you could be a woman.

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

[Kevin Taylor]

> It all revolves around the national anthem for me. Every morning at
> school, they make us stand for the national anthem. I realize it's
> probably the same way in every school in every country, and it's really
> not a lot to ask, but it still pisses me off. "True North strong and
> free," eh? Yeah, it's a free country. Totally. Now STAND UP!!!


In England we had to listen to 'God Save the Queen', then say the Lords Prayer every morning. Then when we moved here & I had to listen to both of those plus Oh Canada... half in English and half in French.
I always rebelled against that stuff too. I never closed my eyes during the lords prayer and always said the wrong words.. "Our Father who farts in heaven..."

[ericthecableguy]

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Meh, it wouldn't matter since he's merely presented in text. He could be an intelligent computer.

[earthman buck]

I don't really think you understand what it is to live in this country.

So just out of curiosity, what does it mean to live in this country?

[earthman buck]

Hehe you could be a woman.
Looks like the cat's out of the bag.....

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/ab200/bride.jpg

[Akira]

Meh, it wouldn't matter since he's merely presented in text. He could be an intelligent computer.

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

[Jolly McJollyson]

Well, this is the pet peeves thread, so I suppose telling you why would fit in nicely.

It all revolves around the national anthem for me. Every morning at school, they make us stand for the national anthem. I realize it's probably the same way in every school in every country, and it's really not a lot to ask, but it still pisses me off. "True North strong and free," eh? Yeah, it's a free country. Totally. Now STAND UP!!!

This is especially enraging at Remembrance Day services. Yes, a bunch of people died so I can live my life Nazi-free. I get it. And I appreciate it, really I do. I just find a large amount of hypocrisy in the statement "In honour of those who died to make this free country the free country it is today, stand up and be quiet for a set amount of time, or else."

And who said I want to honour this country anyway? I don't understand patriotism very much. A country's a country. I was born here. That's my only real tie with this chunk of land I live on. Why should I be expected to love this country?

I mean, it's not like I hate living here. Living here is all I've ever known, and there are definitely worse places to live, from what I hear. I just think all countries have their flaws, Canada among them. Why make it out to be so great?

Standing up takes no effort for me. It's not like I'm 500 pounds, which would be a better reason for my complaining. I'd just much rather not do it. I always ask authority figures why we must stand at silence during these services and during the national anthem. They usually respond with "It's the least you can do." Wrong. In any given instance, the least I can do is nothing. I'd rather honour the spirit of freedom by doing nothing. Doing what I'm forced to do makes me dislike my country.

Anyhow, that's why.
Since technically you're free not to stand up, I don't understand the objection. "Stand up or else?" Well, what's the "or else?"

[earthman buck]

Since technically you're free not to stand up, I don't understand the objection. "Stand up or else?" Well, what's the "or else?"
You're absolutely right, I am free to not stand. If I don't stand, however, I will be punished, most likely in a way that affects me for much longer than the period of time I did not stand for. And I cannot escape this school-sanctioned punishment, for I am forced to go. Free country indeed.

[Jolly McJollyson]

You're absolutely right, I am free to not stand. If I don't stand, however, I will be punished, most likely in a way that affects me for much longer than the period of time I did not stand for. And I cannot escape this school-sanctioned punishment, for I am forced to go. Free country indeed.
The school can legally punish you? Have you tried not standing to find out whether or not they will? Or are you just assuming?

[earthman buck]

The school can legally punish you? Have you tried not standing to find out whether or not they will? Or are you just assuming?
Don't know if it's legal, but they can, and do. I haven't done it, but others in my class have. I just stand and mumble under my breath about how much I hate this country. Apparently that's fine with them.

[Jolly McJollyson]

Don't know if it's legal, but they can, and do. I haven't done it, but others in my class have. I just stand and mumble under my breath about how much I hate this country. Apparently that's fine with them.
Others in the class have refused to stand and been punished? Well, technically I guess the school does act as your parent/guardian while you're in their custody and can do what they see fit as long as it's not abuse. However, sounds like your friends are kind of being assholes refusing to respect honorable people who have died for something they believed in. Not that that's illegal, nor should it be punished.

[earthman buck]

Others in the class have refused to stand and been punished? Well, technically I guess the school does act as your parent/guardian while you're in their custody and can do what they see fit as long as it's not abuse. However, sounds like your friends are kind of being assholes refusing to respect honorable people who have died for something they believed in. Not that that's illegal, nor should it be punished.
I'm not talking about the Remembrance Day service stuff here. Everyone stands for those; there's usually veterans there, and no one wants to catch their flinty gaze! :)
This is just everyday national anthem crap. I'm so sick of that damn song! Every day I threaten to go on a killing frenzy unless they change the anthem soon, but to no avail.

[acapella]

I hate how when I ask people about why I have to stand for the anthem, they say "people died fighting for what they believe in, so you would be ALLOWED to stand for the anthem". And I'm like, I'm pretty sure it was more for something called "freedom". The opposite of "being forced to do things". I don't think they really gave a crap about that stupid, boring song, nor did they probably want people to be forced to stand up and listen to it every day. I could be wrong, but I just don't see that being the case. It's just a song. It's not even that good.
Now, that being said, I personally would stand for the anthem even if I was not forced to, out of respect. I'm not saying that people shouldn't do something to honour and respect these people who died for them, in fact I truly believe they should. I am saying that nobody should force you to be respectful, you should want to do it. And being told I have to do something has never been a big incentive for me to do it.

[Jolly McJollyson]

I hate how when I ask people about why I have to stand for the anthem, they say "people died fighting for what they believe in, so you would be ALLOWED to stand for the anthem". And I'm like, I'm pretty sure it was more for something called "freedom". The opposite of "being forced to do things". I don't think they really gave a crap about that stupid, boring song, nor did they probably want people to be forced to stand up and listen to it every day. I could be wrong, but I just don't see that being the case. It's just a song. It's not even that good.
Now, that being said, I personally would stand for the anthem even if I was not forced to, out of respect. I'm not saying that people shouldn't do something to honour and respect these people who died for them, in fact I truly believe they should. I am saying that nobody should force you to be respectful, you should want to do it. And being told I have to do something has never been a big incentive for me to do it.
I don't think you really do have to. Is the school public or private?

[earthman buck]

I don't think you really do have to. Is the school public or private?
It's public.

[Jolly McJollyson]

It's public.
Government-run facilities like that may have some kind of law making everyone stand for the national anthem, but I doubt it. After all, there are some people in America (Quakers, Amish, etc) who are religiously and morally opposed to nationalism. Making those people stand is a breech of government inability to control church, so right there not everyone has to stand. Legally you don't have to stand either, and if you took your school to court for infringing on basic human rights, you'd win.

[alucard0941]

Even if they make us stand up and say the pledge, no one even means it. People only mumble the words and cant even remember it after its done.

Even if its forced, when people say it half-heartedly, there is no point.

[ericthecableguy]

So just out of curiosity, what does it mean to live in this country?

ok. I admit I may have been out of line saying that. I do believe this is the best country in the world. I don't like the anthem either, but meh, what the hell. It's one minute. I like waking up without worrying whats going to happen to me today.

[ericthecableguy]

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

yes333333

[stackny]

Im not sure why the pledge to the flag wares off on a daily basis.....Why should we have to say it every 24 hours in school? Does anybody even think about what theyre saying? Im about as patriotic as they come and even I dont see the reason for the pledge or the national anthem on a daily basis.

[Kevin Taylor]

It's the big brother syndrome of churning out mindless automatons to ensure the survival of the human race.
Similar to what they do to people in cults... they're training you to do as you're told and getting you in the mindset that they are the ones in charge and you're all working for the greater good.

man... where did that come from...
What the heck did I just say? http://s93744050.onlinehome.us/smileys/eyebrow.gif

[earthman buck]

ok. I admit I may have been out of line saying that. I do believe this is the best country in the world. I don't like the anthem either, but meh, what the hell. It's one minute. I like waking up without worrying whats going to happen to me today.
I agree with you. Pound for pound (or kilogram for kilogram :) ), I think Canada probably is the best country to live in. What I was saying (or meaning to say) was that I don't think you should bill yourself as a totally free country when in a lot of ways you aren't.

[magicninja]

Everytime I think of Canada I think of The SouthPark movie. :D Blame Canada!

[stackny]

Everytime I think of Canada I think of The SouthPark movie. :D Blame Canada!

Everytime I think of Canada I think of leaves....and France...ewww.

[Kevin Taylor]

I always get a laugh at the impression people from the U.S. have of what Canada is like.
'wow.. it's really cold up there'.. 'do you live in igloos'?

jeez... Canada looks exactly like the U.S. except it's cleaner.

http://s93744050.onlinehome.us/hl.jpg

... see ... ooh pretty!

[stackny]

I always get a laugh at the impression people from the U.S. have of what Canada is like.
'wow.. it's really cold up there'.. 'do you live in igloos'?

jeez... Canada looks exactly like the U.S. except it's cleaner.
... see ... ooh pretty!

Can't say Ive ever heard anyone say that about Canada, but that could be because I live about and hour and a half away from it.... Wouldnt put it past some people though.

[Cryptic Excretions]

It's the big brother syndrome of churning out mindless automatons to ensure the survival of the human race.
Similar to what they do to people in cults... they're training you to do as you're told and getting you in the mindset that they are the ones in charge and you're all working for the greater good.

man... where did that come from...
What the heck did I just say? http://s93744050.onlinehome.us/smileys/eyebrow.gif
You mean brainwashing?

[earthman buck]

jeez... Canada looks exactly like the U.S. except it's cleaner.
Winnipeg isn't. Winnipeg is gross.
I always get a laugh at the impression people from the U.S. have of what Canada is like.
'wow.. it's really cold up there'.. 'do you live in igloos'?
That reminds me of what happened on my trip to LA to visit my aunt a few years back....
It was about April, so it was pretty much perfect temperature in LA, like a not-too-hot Canadian summer. My mom and I were taking a walk around this really scenic hill, and this guy who we had met earlier (my aunt's neighbour) drove by and shouted "Pretty nice out, huh? I bet it's still snowing where you're from!! Hahahahahahaha!!!" Then he sped away. It was pretty lucky he did, I just about spit on him.
Later on, we were meeting another of my aunt's neighbours, this old Italian immigrant guy. We were like "Nice to meet you" and all he could say was "Move down here, huh? It's-a nice down here. It's so much better." All I could think was "Not really, everyone here's a jerk!"

[Cryptic Excretions]

Winnipeg isn't. Winnipeg is gross.

That reminds me of what happened on my trip to LA to visit my aunt a few years back....
It was about April, so it was pretty much perfect temperature in LA, like a not-too-hot Canadian summer. My mom and I were taking a walk around this really scenic hill, and this guy who we had met earlier (my aunt's neighbour) drove by and shouted "Pretty nice out, huh? I bet it's still snowing where you're from!! Hahahahahahaha!!!" Then he sped away. It was pretty lucky he did, I just about spit on him.
Later on, we were meeting another of my aunt's neighbours, this old Italian immigrant guy. We were like "Nice to meet you" and all he could say was "Move down here, huh? It's-a nice down here. It's so much better." All I could think was "Not really, everyone here's a jerk!"
Y'know, it's kinda ironic... I've been planning to someday move to Canada.

[earthman buck]

Y'know, it's kinda ironic... I've been planning to someday move to Canada.
Go for it. I just wouldn't recommend Winnipeg. Well....at least not right in Winnipeg.

[acapella]

Move to Narcisse. We have snakes!

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/rosewaterdiapersmell/snd1.jpg

[earthman buck]

Move to Inwood. We have the roadkilled bodies of all the snakes that aren't in Narcisse.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/ab200/snake.jpg

[Kevin Taylor]

You mean brainwashing?

Yeah, that's it. Like forcing everybody to wear a uniform to school.
It weeds out individuality and trains you early in life to follow directions and be like everone else.

[magicninja]

Yeah, that's it. Like forcing everybody to wear a uniform to school.
It weeds out individuality and trains you early in life to follow directions and be like everone else.
You lnow school uniforms is an old idea. I seen news reels from the 30s about it. I couldn't understand them though cuz the narration was in German.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

my god.. I just read the entire thread from beginning to end.. all 200 posts of it.. here's the only thing I could find to say:
I hate when grocery stores have 20 check out lanes, but only 3 are open with 10 people in line at each one.
dude, you are going to the wrong grocery store. you gotta come to the safeway were I work, we aren't allowed to have more then 2 people in line or else we have to call for more checkers.. the only time when there would only be 3 lines open with 10 people in each line would be late at night, when there is no body else to call for checkout.

[Kevin Taylor]

dude, you are going to the wrong grocery store. you gotta come to the safeway were I work, we aren't allowed to have more then 2 people in line or else we have to call for more checkers.. the only time when there would only be 3 lines open with 10 people in each line would be late at night, when there is no body else to call for checkout.

Well at least the check writing crap has stopped since they introduced debit cards. You just knew when you were in a hurry that some idiot ahead of you would want to write a check... so it'd be a call to the manager, a long wait while somebody went to find him, then a long wait while the check was written and the I.D. checked, then authorized... and the 'special' key inserted in the till... then a final signature on the receipt...then some people actually had the nerve to make you wait even longer while they finished putting the entry in their checkbook and calculated their balance.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

people still write checks, though it's not that sort of process anymore. it's more of, they write the check, then we write their driver's license number on the check (so we can track them down if it bounces) then the check gets scanned by a computer thing, then it's done.. it still takes longer then just sliding a card through. but it's not quite that long of a process anymore.. though it still can get annoying.

[ericthecableguy]

I agree with you. Pound for pound (or kilogram for kilogram :) ), I think Canada probably is the best country to live in. What I was saying (or meaning to say) was that I don't think you should bill yourself as a totally free country when in a lot of ways you aren't.

Alright. Cool...but isn't a totally free country and anarchy?
Anyways, Where's your town located?

[Poontang_clan]

Jerks Who Tell You That You Suck At Gutiar Or Your Band Sucks And **** Especially If They Havent Heard You

[Kevin Taylor]

What? http://s93744050.onlinehome.us/smileys/boggled.gif

[earthman buck]

Alright. Cool...but isn't a totally free country and anarchy?
Anyways, Where's your town located?
About an hour from the 'Peg. (That's Winnipeg.)

[earthman buck]

What? http://s93744050.onlinehome.us/smileys/boggled.gif
I think he's trying to say his pet peeve is jerks who tell you you suck at "gutiar" without even hearing you play.

Either that or he's trying to give us an encoded message:

Jerks Who Tell You That You Suck At Gutiar Or Your Band Sucks And **** Especially If They Havent Heard You

I've got it! JWTYTYSAGOYBSA*EITHHY!

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

I've got it! JWTYTYSAGOYBSA*EITHHY!
that's code for Just When Their Years Tag Yellow Sausages, All Gorillas Of Yesteryear Become Slimy Ass *'s. Even Italians Take Her Happy Yogurt!

[Akira]

People who can't cut cheese properly.

I know originally this thread was to do with pet peeves people had with modern technology, but who cares.

[earthman buck]

People who can't cut cheese properly.
How can you screw up cutting cheese?!

[rockonn91]

like, literally slicing through a nice chunk of cheddar, or farting?

[pure]

i had to share a room with my brother for a couple years till he moved out and he always farted every day the whole room smelled like a nuke went through it.

[Akira]

How can you screw up cutting cheese?!

My mum does it all the time.

I end up having to cut loads of slices that are thick at one end and really thin at the other just to even it out.

[pure]

My mum does it all the time.

I end up having to cut loads of slices that are thick at one and and really thing at the other just to even it out.

In English please?

[Akira]

In English please?

I really can't think of any other way to explain what I just said.

[pure]

Oh sorry i just read it over and saw that you had typos. now i know what you're saying. sorry. i'm really sorry.

[Akira]

Oh sorry i just read it over and saw that you had typos. now i know what you're saying. sorry. i'm really sorry.

Yeah, I assumed you had read the post after I corrected the typo's.

Mutual apologies.

Pet peeves people...

[iiholly]

I suck at cutting cheese, and I don't try to correct it. I might hurt myself. I also can't staple thing together "the correct way."

[Hammurabi]

I suck at cutting cheese, and I don't try to correct it. I might hurt myself.
The oldschool way of eating cheese is to take a sharp knife, carve out a rough hunk of the cheese, stab the morsel with the knife, and eat it straight from the tip. I find this technique much more enjoyable than such barbaric practices as slicing and grating.

[PRSplaya]

I have a pet peeve with people who always have to have the last word and/or always feel they have to one up everybody.

[elklandercc]

I have a pet peeve with people who always have to have the last word and/or always feel they have to one up everybody.
I have one similar, Sometimes when I;m arguing with my brother he'll be like "You always have to get the last word in" in the middle of the argument. I get so pissed and I don't want to say anything else or he'll be just like "see!" Thats a pretty good way to win an argument, but I swear I wanna sock him when he says it.

[pure]

I have one similar, Sometimes when I;m arguing with my brother he'll be like "You always have to get the last word in" in the middle of the argument. I get so pissed and I don't want to say anything else or he'll be just like "see!" Thats a pretty good way to win an argument, but I swear I wanna sock him when he says it.

if he says "see" then isn't he the one having the last word?

if he says "see" just tell him now he's having the last word, and either he'll shut up and the argument's over, or he'll say something and have the last word, and from then on he can't say you always have the last word anymore cause he just did.

[jeffhx]

cheese is good...especially with pizza..

[aschleman]

People that drive slow in the fast lane
People that walk slow in the mall
People that go to Guitar Center and play the same song over and over for four hours because it's the only song that they know.
When people don't go when it's their turn at a 4 way stop... and everyone else sits there waiting for them to go...
Spam emails...
People that think the Chicago Cubs are good at baseball...
People that think just because the Yankees have a 192 million dollar payroll... they're good at baseball...
People that automatically assume that I'm a bandwagon White Sox fan... I've been a fan since I was born... Bleed Black!
When my screws in my wah pedal get loose and I have to tighten them...
People that argue with me about something I know for a fact is right... just because they don't want to admit they're wrong...
Ignorant people that can't accept differences in points of views and opinions...
The lazy people that use the handicap door button rather than opening the door themselves... lazy people in general.

..... I get annoyed by a lot of things.....

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

here's some of mine relating to cars...

- people that drive slow in general
- sunday drivers that drive 15 mph slower than the speed limit and are holding up the good people of the world who aren't as fortunate to not have to work on sunday's and are now running late for that work...
- people who put hydraulics on their cars/trucks/suvs
- people who put giant chrome and/or spinner rims on their old ass plymouth's and other POS cars
- people who put "fart can" mufflers on their cars
- people who get on the freeway at 40 mph
- people who drive muscle cars and think that they're so much better than anyone trying to squeeze performance out of an import
- people who give their city driven trucks/SUVs off-roading tires and/or suspension
people who drive stock 80's accords and sit at red lights revving their engines, then the light turns green and they just sit there unaware for a while, then they finally realize it like a minute later and then chirp their tires on the way off (true story!)

[jeffhx]

muscle cars rock my sock

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[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

muscle cars rock my sock

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I don't have anything against muslce cars, just people who driving them thinking that they're so much better/faster than a "souped up" import

[pure]

..i like hydraulics, spinners, and old cars..

[ericthecableguy]

Hmm...more pet peeves...

-people that think playing guitar everyday is weird even though they sit on myspace and play video games all day
-people who complain about farmers
-my neighbor
-nazis
-people that laugh when you use a word that is somewhat big or intelligent
-dumb girls
-punks
-people that use drugs as their excuse for being dumb fat and lazy
-assholes that yell at you when you're umping a game
-when people give you crap for something that is over with and nothing can be done instead of fixing the problem
-lazy people
-telemarketers

[earthman buck]

-my neighbor
For some reason, that made me laugh near to the point of pissing myself. I tried to rep you, man. I tried.

My pet peeves at the moment:

-Unshakeable boredom
-GT chatroom not working, for no apparent reason

[pure]

- people who can't spell your name right

[ericthecableguy]

For some reason, that made me laugh near to the point of pissing myself. I tried to rep you, man. I tried.

My pet peeves at the moment:

-Unshakeable boredom
-GT chatroom not working, for no apparent reason

Ha, that was the point. :D

[guitarfreak141]

that stupid paperclip guy in microsoft word

[Akira]

When I want to go for a pee half way during an exam, and I have to wait 5 minutes for some person to come and take me to the toilet (incase I shoot up in the toilets or something).

[magicninja]

Chaffed nuts.

[iiholly]

Chaffed nuts.

Yeah man, that happens to me all the time. :rolleyes:



I hate fat dogs, I just tried to run with my uncles dog. Its so out of shape... half a mile, and thats all it'd go. Don't feed your dogs table scraps people!

[Metal_Red_Head]

Stepping on something wet right after putting on fresh socks
When someone passes the fatty to the right
When Motley Crue is referred to as "classic rock"
Ooh the list could go on and on!!! :D

[earthman buck]

Purple font.




Just kidding. :)

[Metal_Red_Head]

ewwww, that almost stung!!! :cool:

[jeffhx]

-people that slurp soup loudly followed by that 'ahhhhh' sound they make
-pretentious anuses
-people that kicked me out of the club

[Dooms_day]

So what if you accidentally press the button to do something you don't want? Then wouldn't you want to be warned, and have a chance to back out?

One thing I hate is when your reading something long and the stupid screensaver comes on...I guess I could fix that by turning it off, but it's too much trouble just to turn it off read one thing, then turn it back on, and I always forget anyway.
well u should be able to double click and then you wouldnt delete something accidently and you wouldnt have to move your mouse all the way to the yes. im puttin that feature in my version of LINUX that me and my friends are makin :D

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

well u should be able to double click and then you wouldnt delete something accidently and you wouldnt have to move your mouse all the way to the yes. im puttin that feature in my version of LINUX that me and my friends are makin :D
but seriously, how long does it take to click yes? like a second? I mean, how lazy is the modern man that we complain about having to move our hand two inches!

[jeffhx]

call that lazy? man u guys should know me better.... :D

[earthman buck]

The pet peeve to end them all:

People who refer to their car's transmission as its "tranny."

[pure]

The pet peeve to end them all:

People who refer to their car's transmission as its "tranny."
this is the first time i've ever been familiar with that word

[magicninja]

Nope too easy.......I need to go get some tranny fluid though long trip tomorrow.

[ericthecableguy]

Nope too easy.......I need to go get some tranny fluid though long trip tomorrow.

Screw the tranny. Just make sure you check your engine light first. ;)

The word does have a double meaning now though...

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

I refer to it as the tranny all the tranny all the time. so HA!

[earthman buck]

I refer to it as the tranny all the tranny all the time. so HA!
Watch it, buddy boy. Ninja's got the bomb now, and he's on my side. I hope.