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[iiholly]

Well last night I saw 3 guys get stabbed. One died. Four guys jumped someone I know, because he made them leave his house cause they were doingn drugs. He cut them, then ran and called the police. I saw the guy die. Yeah, just needed to talk about it. I really don't want to talk about it with anyone around my area, because then rumors will be spread.

Any thoughts?

[Cryptic Excretions]

Uh... move? I don't think that rumors are exactly going to stop with events like that. I really don't have much to say. That sucks...?

[ericthecableguy]

Damn...that sucks. I have to agree with cryptic on this one, it sounds like time to move.

[Infectious]

Damn thats real heavy. I'd be haunted by that for the rest of my life. The guy that died...did u know him? Do you know any of his family? That's rough man. Scary world we live. I have absolutely no idea what to say. I hope you're ok.

[quickfingers]

thats ****ed up. one of my friends was in portland once after a show and we split, and he had a run in with a homeless dude, and the guy was being beligerant and crazy, and my friend freaked when the bum attacked him and he stabbed him. he ran like **** and met up with me and we threw the knife off the I-5 bridge and never talked about that **** again. freaky stuff. who was in the wrong? like, the guy obviously had a right to pull the knife, right? getting attacked in your own home is grounds for that stuff.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

dude... that's kinda scary. I would move out of that ghetto asap! that's terrible that you saw that guy die. I'm real sorry, I hope you're alright.

[Hammurabi]

I'm doubt you'll find this very comforting, but death is just one of those things you get used to. The first time you see someone die that statement sounds pretty rediculous, but after watching more than a couple friends off themselves or get decapitated in an automobile 'accident' it's no longer emotionally significant.

How's your friend doing?

[CW14]

I can imagine how disturbing that would be having to see that.

There was a similar incident in the house nextdoor to us last year when two guys attacked the owner of the house (I think it was drug related) and the owner ended up shooting both of them. One died and the other had a wounded leg. It resulted in a manhunt for the owner and he ended up behind bars.

We have moved house since then.

[Dr_simon]

Holly, it may be time to think very hard about your life style.

**** like this is not good or normal.

If you find that this is causing you to lose sleep, stress out etc, talking to some one professionally may be a good idea.

You may also be, at the least, a witness to murder (possibly up on accessory charges) which is also not a good position to be in.

I'd think very hard about how you are going to handle this if/when the law comes a knocking.

Also be careful about what you write on BBSs as police have been known to rummage through them. You are never as anonymous as you may think.

[PonyOne]

yeah, i'd be careful for a few reasons:

a) when someone dies, the cops come looking around, especially if a knife/blade/etc was involved and the death was obviously less than natural. they'll talk to people at the party, and people at the party will point fingers; chances are good one will eventually come back to you; i know firsthand that the most automatic reaction to the cops asking about a murder is "hey, i may have seen something, but that guy saw more! talk to him!" and they will come.

and worse, what if the friends of the guy who died come looking (though obviously i don't know what kind of character he was)? i know that when one of my friends got killed way back when, we messed up everyone to figure out who had done it; people who may have known, friends of acquaintances, etc. street justice has a lot fewer rules than courtroom justice.

i looked on your myspace and someone mentioned that there were bats and everything... and you have a blog entry about it... that may raise some questions if they come looking.

to this end, you may want to think about contacting them yourself. at this point, it's normal to come forward; lots of people will run like sam hell when they see something happen, not out of sneakiness, but because, well, seeing someone die is not an easy thing to see. tell them what you saw, be honest, and say that you want to help in any way you can; give your contact number, and they'll give you a lot better treatment than if it took them a week to hunt you down.

b) the good Doctor Simon is right. sounds like it may be time for a lifestyle change. now I don't know what it is you do on your spare time, what sort of things you like to do, what sort of people you hang out with. i saw in the same blog post that you want to change now, and that's good, but let me tell you, sometimes that necessitates a physical removal from the people around you. it can really suck, but, more often than not your friends won't share the same sentiments about getting clean or avoiding your past lifestyle, and you can't expect them to support you in your decision to do so.

i've seen more than my share of people die, and have known even more who have died. i saw one of my friends get shot in the head, for no reason we knew of, and his brother and i held him while he was dying; it's something i'll never forget, and the truth is you never forget something like that. people are meant to die but they aren't meant to die when they're in their teens and walking back from a Circle K. the screams, the wails... hos mom, when she found out... anything that made me want to have anything to do with being a badass, and all that, just died with him. it's not worth it, it's not worth it for anyone; it just leaves behind a trail of broken human beings.

on halloween i was at a party and some dumbass od'ed on smack; same deal, run in and find him as he's dying... you know... his friend is screaming and crying, and of course is so drugged out that he can't do anything but that... some random psychobilly guy was trying to CPR him and took charge, because he'd been through the situation before; we lifted the guy out of the room to try and get him up onto a table and i got to hold his upper body because i was the only one there who was a little bit built, and i don't know if he died while i was holding him or not. how pathetic is that? you're dying and surrounded by a bunch of strangers who are trying to save you, your only friend is so drugged up he's just screaming, and that's how your life ended? and when i was on the phone with 911, they sounded really concerned right up until they found out he was an OD, and then they could care less. the thing that separates this happening to ones in the past is that i didn't know this guy, i didn't have anything to do with him or the drugs or anyomne involved; i was just at the same party, and just happened to be in the next room when it happened.

what do you think it is that you need to get closure on what happened? because it could be a big help to do that, whatever it is (so long as it doesn't involve drugs). the only mindset i can really have about what's happened in the past is that it's happened; the dead are dead, they aren't coming back, and the only thing i can do is try to make sure i don't end up that way myself, and keep myself away from people who will draw me closer to that. i remember everything that's happened in those situations and i always will, and you will too... just remember that getting over it will make you stronger and help make sure you don't end up seeing stuff like that again, or ending up there yourself.

[chas fisher]

wow dude sorry to hear that just keep your head up dont let it bring you down and if people do start rumors thats there problem they shouldnt be so nosie you know what i mean well sorry bout the bad news!!!

[Jolly McJollyson]

Simon and Ponyone are very, very right about this, man. I also think it may be time to rethink the kind of people you want to be hanging out with. It seems like the only person doing the right thing here was killed because of it.

[chas fisher]

and i agree!!!

[Lordathestrings]

Simon and Ponyone are very, very right about this, man. I also think it may be time to rethink the kind of people you want to be hanging out with.Oh, yeah. Get right with The Man and then blow!

It seems like the only person doing the right thing here was killed because of it.Uh, no?

The guy wielding the knife was the one who kicked the druggies out of his house, no? He cut them when they jumped him for kicking them out?

[Akira]

That sucks iiholly. But, I think maybe you should consider going to the police and owning up as a witness. The cops will be doubley as pissed and doubley as suspicious of you if you hide away. I don't think you can get charged with anything if you witness a murder? Can you?

[jeffhx]

yeah perhaps u'd feel so much better...only thing is...if the whole thing went wide open, cud the person that have conducted the crime come after u instead?i reckon u request for special police guardianship or something... lol.. man this is risky..u wont know when things might happen..

[Jolly McJollyson]

The guy wielding the knife was the one who kicked the druggies out of his house, no? He cut them when they jumped him for kicking them out?
It seems he was defending himself with the knife and then got killed. That's how I read it. Must have read it wrong then, in that case the person doing the right thing defended himself and continued to do the right thing. How well did you know the guy that died? It seems to me that the guy with the knife did the right thing.

[Lordathestrings]

Take it bit-by-bit, in a chronological sequence of events

"Well last night I saw 3 guys get stabbed. One died."
"Four guys jumped someone I know, because he made them leave his house cause they were doing drugs."
"He cut them, then ran and called the police."
"I saw the guy die."


Interpretation: The guy who tossed the (four) druggies out of his house was jumped by said druggies, and he stabbed three of them. One of these stabbings was fatal. The guy who did the stabbing ran (back to his house?) and called the police. iiholly was apparently close enough to see all of this going down.

Speculation: If she stayed around long enough, she would have been there when the EMS and police arrived, which is how she would know she had just watched someone die. And she would already have been questioned by the police.

[iiholly]

I wasn't at my house, i was at my friends. Moving isn't a problem for me. I already talked to the police. The guy who did the stabbing was in the right. And everyone who was involved with this is being very cautious, including myself.

Thanks for all your comments. I'm not afraid to have the police see anything I've written, because I didn't tell the any less.

[PonyOne]

I wasn't at my house, i was at my friends. Moving isn't a problem for me. I already talked to the police. The guy who did the stabbing was in the right. And everyone who was involved with this is being very cautious, including myself.

Thanks for all your comments. I'm not afraid to have the police see anything I've written, because I didn't tell the any less.
cool beans :)

[Lordathestrings]

~large sigh of relief~ :cool:

[Andrew Sa]

wow, thats hectic Holly...are you okay?
It seems you are dealing with it in what I believe is the best way (talking to the police etc) but it's still gotta mess with you.
my thoughts are with you

[Akira]

I wasn't at my house, i was at my friends. Moving isn't a problem for me. I already talked to the police. The guy who did the stabbing was in the right. And everyone who was involved with this is being very cautious, including myself.

Thanks for all your comments. I'm not afraid to have the police see anything I've written, because I didn't tell the any less.

Ahh, hope you get along alright then.