Marijuana Legalization?

[magicninja]

It recently has come to my attention that the city of Denver Colorado has legalized marijuana (up to 1 oz.). What do you guys think about it?

[Hammurabi]

It's still not really legal there. The police will simply continue enforcing the state law.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

I think that is a very good law. legalize it, but with limits... this is a very good idea, and I support it.

[Jolly McJollyson]

I'd enjoy smoking legally. I don't do it now, mainly because it's illegal...

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

I'd enjoy smoking legally. I don't do it now, mainly because it's illegal...
exactly! I believe there should also be an age limit, either 18 or 21... probably 21... and they should ID as carefully as they do nowadays for buying alchohal.

[z0s0_jp]

until you can grow a bottle of jack for free, this is the way it will be :cool:

[Akira]

I think legalizing it would be a good idea, with an age limit of course. I don't think it's a bad drug; it doesn't seem to harm anyone unlike coke and heroin, so I don't see the big deal.

I however don't do the drug and probably never will, simply because I have no interest in doing so. Smells nice though.

[magicninja]

I like the fact non-users feel legalizing it is good. I think it's a great case of live and let live. There are health risks but it's not like alcohol and tobacco don't kill enough people anyway.

[Akira]

I like the fact non-users feel legalizing it is good. I think it's a great case of live and let live. There are health risks but it's not like alcohol and tobacco don't kill enough people anyway.

Nearly everyone I know, users and non-users, think that it should be legalized and don't see the big deal with the drug.

[magicninja]

Maybe I should quit.

I just now realized my spelling error. :D

[Akira]

Maybe I should quit.

I just now realized my spelling error. :D

Haha, I just assumed that you couldn't have that in a thread title or something. :p

You're a mod, can't you change it?

[magicninja]

Their pretty loose around here. I just missed it....Reminds me of a Dr. Hook Song. :D

I tried.

Jon Hasn't granted me that privelege since my return. i.e. I'm on probation. If only Eric was around....http://www.smiliegenerator.de/s28/smilies-19752.png

[Akira]

Their pretty loose around here. I just missed it....Reminds me of a Dr. Hook Song. :D

Maybe you should quit. :p

[magicninja]

Maybe you should quit. :p

this statement does not compute.http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/musik/music-smiley-006.gifhttp://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/teufel/devil-smiley-029.gif

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

While cannabis isn't for everyone(it gives me horrible panic attacks)I think it should be legalized and regulated.

So much money is wasted on enforcment and so many lives are destroyed(go into prison,devastate the family and then they come out either raped or worse than ever).The actual prohibition of it is knee deep in racism and big money intrests.

There is MASSIVE mis-information about cannabis and the old demonizing myths are still around even today.

Unfortunatley,even if a state legalizes it,the fedral government will overide state law(like it has in california with medical use).I remember talking to a security guard who was from canada and suffered panic attacks.He had a strain of cannabis that helped him greatly...

I would rather smoke a prescribed medicinal herb than stay addicted to benzodiazapams(Klonapan).

[magicninja]

They could probably fund a lot of things from tax revenue. Imagine all the little coffee shops and things.....http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/huepfen/jumping-smiley-002.gif

[Kevin Taylor]

While cannabis isn't for everyone(it gives me horrible panic attacks)I think it should be legalized and regulated.


Weird.. thought I was the only one who got bad anxiety from pot. Only way I can smoke is if I have a few beers in me first.
Far as legalization goes, I wish it would be legalized, regulated and sold.
I'd love to go down to the corner 'maryjane' store and pick up an ounce every once in awhile.
As things are now, I go about 2 years between puffs cause you can never get the stuff anywhere.
Really hypocritical that you can legally buy liquor... something that damages so many lives, yet you can't buy pot. Not to mention the whole hemp industry going to waste.

[Akira]

Really hypocritical that you can legally buy liquor... something that damages so many lives, yet you can't buy pot.

Yeah, that's why I don't see why there's such a fuss over pot; alcohol seems to be a much worse drug.

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

Well?Who voted nay?

I was hoping for some opposite opinions...much more interesting that way.

That 100% looked so good too.

[Hammurabi]

I voted yea. There is no good reason why pot is illegal. Same goes for magic shrooms.

[Infectious]

HA! I voted no! :D

Take that u greasy reefer heads! I also think salt should be banned!

[elklandercc]

I go about 2 years between puffs cause you can never get the stuff anywhere.
Ha! I can walk next door to my house and choose what kind I want. :p I agree though, I think it should be legalized. The government could tax it and make profit from it. The only problem I have is the idiots who decide to drive when they're gettin stoned and cause accidents, injuries, and death. It should be like in Amsterdam, you smoke it in the shop, wait ill your sober enough, then you can leave.

[Incidents Happen]

Interesting thread, guys!

I am totally for the legalization of marijuana. Every school day I get in my car, turn on some Charlie Parker, and smoke some reefer before school. I have a 4.000 GPA since I've been doing this, (pre-pot I had a 2.6 GPA). Creatively speaking, there is a reason why musicians smoke marijuana!

A new study came out a few days ago that is looking into a link between regenerative properties of marijuana on the brain (through THC, which imitates Anandamide, the euphoria neurotransmitter), and while I can't vouche for that theory yet, It wouldn't completely shock me.

About the "driving while stoned', it's not as much of a hazard as you'd think it would be. If anything, you drive more cautiously while on the drug, as opposed to alcohol (which makes you drive aggressively). There are instances when it's not fun to drive stoned (i.e. snow, rain, etc.), but in clear-weather conditions its' not bad at all. In fact, my car is the only place I smoke pot in, due to the fact that the smoke isn't lost after you exhale (it accumulates with the windows up).

I voted yes. :D

~Incidents

[pentaking 1]

It recently has come to my attention that the city of Denver Colorado has legalized marijuana (up to 1 oz.). What do you guys think about it?



i don't reckon its gonna do any harm to people----let's face it;you don't commit crime on weed cos u're too busy phoning the pizza delivery company for the third time"send us another one man,init!" :D

[pentaking 1]

Ha! I can walk next door to my house and choose what kind I want. :p I agree though, I think it should be legalized. The government could tax it and make profit from it. The only problem I have is the idiots who decide to drive when they're gettin stoned and cause accidents, injuries, and death. It should be like in Amsterdam, you smoke it in the shop, wait ill your sober enough, then you can leave.



fair point;but don't you think if it became legalized,the government would whack a hefty vat rate on it?? your usual £10 bag of green would suddenly shoot up to the tune of £25-£30-----------not so good!!!!!!!! :mad: for christs sakes;they make enough ****in' tax off everything else!!!! my opinion? decriminalization is the answer,that way the government can't screw us for more than they already do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jolly McJollyson]

Interesting thread, guys!

I am totally for the legalization of marijuana. Every school day I get in my car, turn on some Charlie Parker, and smoke some reefer before school. I have a 4.000 GPA since I've been doing this, (pre-pot I had a 2.6 GPA). Creatively speaking, there is a reason why musicians smoke marijuana!

A new study came out a few days ago that is looking into a link between regenerative properties of marijuana on the brain (through THC, which imitates Anandamide, the euphoria neurotransmitter), and while I can't vouche for that theory yet, It wouldn't completely shock me.

About the "driving while stoned', it's not as much of a hazard as you'd think it would be. If anything, you drive more cautiously while on the drug, as opposed to alcohol (which makes you drive aggressively). There are instances when it's not fun to drive stoned (i.e. snow, rain, etc.), but in clear-weather conditions its' not bad at all. In fact, my car is the only place I smoke pot in, due to the fact that the smoke isn't lost after you exhale (it accumulates with the windows up).

I voted yes. :D

~Incidents
Woah, haven't seen you around in a bit. Where ya been?

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

Woah, haven't seen you around in a bit. Where ya been?
well... obviously he's been gettin high as the sky! :D

[Cryptic Excretions]

I guess I'll go ahead and contribute my thoughts on the topic.

I don't smoke pot, don't want to be around it, don't like it, not anything. At the same time though, that's just me living my life the way I've chosen. I don't like mind altering substances and am quite able to find satisfaction in sobriety. Others choose differently and that's completely fine by me. Just give all the pot heads what they want let them smoke themselves silly. They'll be happy, the drug dealing industry would suffer, and plenty of money would come inward via taxes so what's the problem? It blows my mind that the government would sit idle and let a perfectly good source of income go to criminals instead of taking action into their own hands and marketting it themselves. It's prohibition all over again.

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

I also think its unfortunate that so many stereotypes exist with it.It dosn't help that people view those who consume cannabis as "potheads".God forbid someone smokes pot and they arn't a "drug user".

The most insane thing is,cannabis isn't documented as the cause of even one death(and the right-wing loons would love to use that as fodder).

One of the big things for drug war lovers,is that you can't patent a weed.

"Many people assume that marijuana was made illegal through some kind of process involving scientific, medical, and government hearings; that it was to protect the citizens from what was determined to be a dangerous drug.

The actual story shows a much different picture. Those who voted on the legal fate of this plant never had the facts, but were dependent on information supplied by those who had a specific agenda to deceive lawmakers. You'll see below that the very first federal vote to prohibit marijuana was based entirely on a documented lie on the floor of the Senate.

You'll also see that the history of marijuana's criminalization is filled with:

* Racism
* Fear
* Protection of Corporate Profits
* Yellow Journalism
* Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators
* Personal Career Advancement and Greed

These are the actual reasons marijuana is illegal."

for the rest of the article click HERE (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html)


Also,the variety of cannabis lends itself very well to medical use.While a variety high in THC or of the sativa kind would give me a panic attack,a plant higher in CBD would counter act it to some degree.To bad I have no control over the finer points of selection...thanks a lot prohibition!

[bigbuda]

Chuck's right, god forbid someone who smokes a joint not be called a drug user. This really agrivates me since marijuana is an herb, not a drug. People call it a drug 'cause that's what they have been taught. I'm all for legalizing it. I've been a pot smoker since I was eight years old. That's right, 8! I started sneaking it from my parents at that age and it didn't take me long to figure out that a little weed will make you feel better than drinking alcohol and there's no hangover with pot either. At least not for me anyway. :cool:
Legalize it already!

[R. Shackleferd]

Yep, in the past I've written my congressmen on this topic. They don't have to start immediately selling it at 7-11, but as it is now to be a crime is truly ridiculous. Also, so is this whole "pothead" label applied to everyone. True, as with anything there should be moderation applied, but all kinds of people smoke...people you might not think smoke, do: CEO's, scientists, and guess who???...cops and elected officials.

[magicninja]

fair point;but don't you think if it became legalized,the government would whack a hefty vat rate on it?? your usual £10 bag of green would suddenly shoot up to the tune of £25-£30-----------not so good!!!!!!!! :mad: for christs sakes;they make enough ****in' tax off everything else!!!! my opinion? decriminalization is the answer,that way the government can't screw us for more than they already do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Fair trade to be able to smoke where and when I want.

[magicninja]

Yea to whoever corrected my spelling!!! :D

[Lordathestrings]

Yea to whoever corrected my spelling!!! :DYou're welcome! :cool:

[Cryptic Excretions]

Chuck's right, god forbid someone who smokes a joint not be called a drug user. This really agrivates me since marijuana is an herb, not a drug.
A drug by definition is "A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction."
and my reference page is http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=drug
Alchol is by definition a drug as well, but people get around the loop of being called druggies when drinking for some reason, but when all is broken down it's still shoved into the same group with drugs because of its addictive and mind altering traits.

I'm not attacking people that use pot or alchol or anything, so don't get me wrong. I'm all for whatever makes people happy. I just don't see the point in beating around the bush with euphemisms.

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

Its simply the stigma of "drug user" in society that perverts cannabis.

Sadly,even the simpsons fell into it quote Marge:"eahhh!Your doing drugs!" and "Promise your kids you wont use drugs anymore".

Here is the full story on that HERE (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2493.html)

[bigbuda]

[QUOTE=bigbuda]Chuck's right, god forbid someone who smokes a joint not be called a drug user. This really agrivates me since marijuana is an herb, not a drug.[QUOTE]
A drug by definition is "A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction."
and my reference page is http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=drug
Alchol is by definition a drug as well, but people get around the loop of being called druggies when drinking for some reason, but when all is broken down it's still shoved into the same group with drugs because of its addictive and mind altering traits.

I'm not attacking people that use pot or alchol or anything, so don't get me wrong. I'm all for whatever makes people happy. I just don't see the point in beating around the bush with euphemisms.

Pot has never been proven to be addictive. The THC affects you alright but it's still an herb..... :cool:

Drugs are man made. Pot grows, you pick it, dry it out and smoke it. That's just how I see it anyway.....

[Hootayah]

I remember when I was younger my parents kept saying I was 'on' pot because I smoked a joint every once in awhile.
They'd drink several beers a day, but it never came up that they were 'on' alcohol.

[Incidents Happen]

Six pages into the thread, we have yet to have anyone establish a real reason why marijuana SHOULD be illegal. Why is marijuana illegal, again?

Oh yeah, a man named Harry J. Anslinger said that the Great Depression was caused by Mexicans coming into america and smoking pot (trying to find work), and the american people ate it up. Marijuana wasn't even illegal (federally) until 1937. Plus, Harry made speeches in southern states (he toured the Bible Belt with his propaganda) saying that unless you want your kids ending up like a black person, you should keep them away from marijuana!

it is Harry J. Anslinger, the guy that said "marijuana makes you crazy!", and when murderers started pleading insanity due to marijuana to escape the deaeth penalty, he retracted the statement in court and replaced it, saying that marijuana is a gateway drug.

Adam corrolla said last night "Remember back in the 70's, and you were like 'Pot is gonna be legal...like thursday!' and here we are, 30 years later in the same spot..."

~Incidents

[Cryptic Excretions]

[QUOTE=Cryptic Excretions][QUOTE=bigbuda]Chuck's right, god forbid someone who smokes a joint not be called a drug user. This really agrivates me since marijuana is an herb, not a drug.

Pot has never been proven to be addictive. The THC affects you alright but it's still an herb..... :cool:

Drugs are man made. Pot grows, you pick it, dry it out and smoke it. That's just how I see it anyway.....
It said often addictive, not always addictive. It alters your nervous system just like chemical drugs and alchol do. People with drinking problems don't catch phrases like "drug users" or whatever, instead they've coined "alcholics" but the end result is just the same. They're victim to a mind altering substance. I just fail to see why people go to lengths to make things seem so different when the resultsare the same. Smoke/drink/shoot-up/etc = not sober.

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

[QUOTE=bigbuda][QUOTE=Cryptic Excretions]
It said often addictive, not always addictive. It alters your nervous system just like chemical drugs and alchol do. People with drinking problems don't catch phrases like "drug users" or whatever, instead they've coined "alcholics" but the end result is just the same. They're victim to a mind altering substance. I just fail to see why people go to lengths to make things seem so different when the resultsare the same. Smoke/drink/shoot-up/etc = not sober.


Its because of the fact that its active compounds arn't "toxic".You can't "overdose" on cannabis...you would pass out before you could light another joint.

It gets lumped in unfairly with deadly substances that physically destroy lives.

[Jolly McJollyson]

Adam corrolla said last night "Remember back in the 70's, and you were like 'Pot is gonna be legal...like thursday!' and here we are, 30 years later in the same spot..."

~Incidents
ewwwwww Adam Corrolla... Thank God he occasionally brings genuine talent on his show, maybe he won't get cancelled until the NEXT time ratings come out.

[Andrew Sa]

anyone seen/heard the late comedian/social comentator Bill Hicks speaking on this topic...he does a great impression of God..."Oh my me, I left ****ing pot everywhere...this may give humans the impression that they're supposed to...use it"

He has some of the most relevant arguments I have heard.
Or anyone heard "Irony of it all" by The Streets? that song hits the nail right on the head.

I guess you guys know where I stand on this argument...

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

The man/grab ass show...

They make a big deal about toilets and stalls.Just take a friggin piss without looking at other guys!

"we are men guys,so lets go to the bathroom,fart,burp and pretend to like sports.We can talk about sports n' power tools while we pee and then drink it because thats what the beer we drink tastes like"

It reminds me of lifetime for women except with guys.

[Cryptic Excretions]

[QUOTE=Cryptic Excretions][QUOTE=bigbuda]


Its because of the fact that its active compounds arn't "toxic".You can't "overdose" on cannabis...you would pass out before you could light another joint.

It gets lumped in unfairly with deadly substances that physically destroy lives.
And I will agree with that as legit reasoning. It is absurd to cram something harmless into a category with hazardous drugs. But at the same time what it isn't shouldn't detract from what it is, is all I'm saying.

[SPL]

Same as prostitution, marijuana needs to be legalized. I don't get what the big deal is.

Regulate it, tax it, control it, inspect it. It's time to start making money off of it in stead of spending tons of tax payer dollars on trying to uphold unfounded legislation.

[magicninja]

Everybody still like weed to be legalized? I know I do. :D

[bigbuda]

Everybody still like weed to be legalized? I know I do. :D

For Sure! However, once it becomes legal it will be super expensive 'cause The Man will tax da hell out of it.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

Everybody still like weed to be legalized? I know I do. :D
yep!

[zoran the dark]

It recently has come to my attention that the city of Denver Colorado has legalized marijuana (up to 1 oz.). What do you guys think about it?

you know that it is possible in Holland. BUt they are against trading it, not using it.

[iiholly]

Drugs are dumb.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

Drugs are dumb.
man, whatta ya talkin bout man? drugs are cool man. jus look at me man. look how great I turned out man. drugs are cool. now where'd my cardboard box go man?

[free2bfree420]

I'm with my bro...legalize it already...or not, it could get really expensive then...i like my cheap sacks, and well honestly (being a weed user/buyer) i dont want to give the government any more money than i have to..maybe they could donate the pot money to make a cure for cancer or something , but still they dont need any more of our money especially because they want to control our marijuana smoking habits...ya know :confused:

[Oyster]

Yea legalizing it will either decrease quality or raise price. But Americas priorites are way too messed up to do anything about it.




Thanks Bush...............

Oh by the way check this out type: Failure in the google search and then hit the im feeling lucky button.

[Kevin Taylor]

> hmm
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Drugs are dumb.

Actually, that's what people usually say when they've never tried them and are usually just repeating what the government and their parents hammer into them. (ie, "drugs are harmful and are a gateway to heavier drugs blah blah")

Maybe they're not for everybody but personally, as far as pot goes... I don't even consider it a drug. It's on the same level as drinking wine with a meal or having a couple of beers. In fact, I think if pot was the drug of choice instead of alcohol, we'd have a lot less violence and deaths happening both in driving accidents and fights at parties etc..

Whenever we used to sit around and smoke up, we'd spend time talking about life and listening to music. Or go out and find cool adventures just to experience doing something while you were high.
With alcohol, everybody gets hammered. Most guys get so bad they can't walk or talk.
They get into fights and parties get loud and wild. Then the next day they puke their guts out.

Yet alcohol is legal and accepted by everybody, and pot is illegal and stick you with a criminal record for the rest of your life.

Don't get me wrong. I'm totally against heroin and hard drugs that destroy your body and make you dependent on them.
But making softer drugs like pot illegal is just plain stupid.
Not to mention the advantages we'd have if hemp could be put into production in paper making and other industrial uses instead of destroying the forests.

Right now, I'd love to be able to go to the local corner hemp store and buy myself a dime bag of some good pot.
Instead, I'm either stuck here drinking beer, or driving to the city and risking my life and limb trying to buy pot illegally on the streets from gang members.

And as far as drugs like pot affecting your memory or destroying your brain... hey...ain't nothin wrong with my mind, and I've been smoking since I was 15.

And now the obligatory legal notice:
I'm neither advocating or recommending drug use for anyone reading this.
These are simply my own opinions and in no way shape or form do I suggest anyone, especially minors, participate in using illegal drug use.
(even having to write that is stupid)

[Oyster]

Yo im totally with you on that

[Cryptic Excretions]

Yea legalizing it will either decrease quality or raise price. But Americas priorites are way too messed up to do anything about it.




Thanks Bush...............
As much as I like making jabs at the presidents, let alone when we have a particularly easy target like Bush, this was something that was screwed up long before he showed up. Sure he adds to it, but he's also the president. What's he supposed to do? Say "Go Drugs" or something?

[Oyster]

im not blaming bush for llegalization of drugs just the prioities. where like charges of possesion of coke are the same as pot.

[magicninja]

I like marijuana. I just don't see what's wrong with me toking up and watching some Cartoon Network or jamming out my axe. I don't bother anybody. I'm kinda lazy but honestly that really has nothing to do with weed. I was lazy during the three years I didn't smoke. I'm actually very smart. Anything I put my mind to I can work out. The same should go for any healthy and rational human being. There is nothing wrong with pot.

[Oyster]

yea, im a big fan haha, i just don't understand the difference in point of views for people between cigerettes, alcohol, and pot. i mean alcohol seems worse in some senses such as many people are violent drunks and leaves you with a hangover. The most pot does is make you eat more food and if you do it like everyday itll hurt your lungs, But if you do anything everyday its bound to hurt you.

[free2bfree420]

As much as I like making jabs at the presidents, let alone when we have a particularly easy target like Bush, this was something that was screwed up long before he showed up. Sure he adds to it, but he's also the president. What's he supposed to do? Say "Go Drugs" or something?

lmao!!! hahaha

[Kevin Taylor]

Don't say "No To Drugs"
Say "No, Thank You" It's more polite. :cool:

I wish guys like Bush would stop lumping all drugs into one catagory.
What about prescription medications?

And how come Caffeine is an accepted drug? It's an upper that millions of people use to get high in the morning.

[bigbuda]

yea, im a big fan haha, i just don't understand the difference in point of views for people between cigerettes, alcohol, and pot. i mean alcohol seems worse in some senses such as many people are violent drunks and leaves you with a hangover. The most pot does is make you eat more food and if you do it like everyday itll hurt your lungs, But if you do anything everyday its bound to hurt you.

Let's not forget alcohol poisoning. It has kiiled many a person. However, there's not one case of a person dying from smoking pot, ever. Pot helps folks ease pain from arthritis and many other medical problems, mental problems or whatever you got. Smoke a fatty and you'll feel better! :D

[bigbuda]

Don't say "No To Drugs"
Say "No, Thank You" It's more polite. :cool:

I wish guys like Bush would stop lumping all drugs into one catagory.
What about prescription medications?

And how come Caffeine is an accepted drug? It's an upper that millions of people use to get high in the morning.


That reminds me. Has anyone seen the guy on celebrity fit club that is all funked up on prescription meds? I can't think of his name right now dammit but this guy almost died the other night from taking too many pain killers and then topping them off with some alcohol. Nice combo, idiot! I'm sure this guy won't have any problems getting more pain killers if he wants them either. :rolleyes:

That thing about caffeine is true too. Let's not forget cigaretts either. It's straight poison and the government allows it to be sold. I know, I know, I smoke but it still doesn't make it right. If they would just make them illigeal then I would have to quit. :rolleyes:

[Kevin Taylor]

One argument that I've had shoved in my face about the dangers of pot is the fact that it hurts your lungs from smoking and pollutes the environment.

Thing is, there's other ways to ingest pot. Hash brownies, pot tea, or THC the active ingredient in pill form.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

One argument that I've had shoved in my face about the dangers of pot is the fact that it hurts your lungs from smoking and pollutes the environment.

Thing is, there's other ways to ingest pot. Hash brownies, pot tea, or THC the active ingredient in pill form.
ooh.. I could go for some hash brownies right now.

[bigbuda]

ooh.. I could go for some hash brownies right now.


That's what I'm talking about!!!! MMMMMMMmmmmmm Hash Brownies.

[z0s0_jp]

i used to smoke daily...then i got friggin' anxious as mouse in a barnyard full of cats.......i smoke rarely now, last year i smoked twice.....at 2 concerts. i got way too high for the first 30 minutes.....then things calmed down. you can get a pot card here in Oregon for back pain. you can have a little over a pound at your home and grow it yourself. it will not sell well if legal. the price would be huge cause of taxes not to mention the black market(under the table weed) and you can grow clones in 6 to 8 weeks and be set for the year. it is quite easy to do and alot cheaper.

[z0s0_jp]

oh yea there is a thing called a vaporizor that turns the thc into a vapor......no black lung and you get twice as high :cool:

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

and you can grow clones in 6 to 8 weeks and be set for the year. it is quite easy to do and alot cheaper.
tell me more, pm-style! ;)

[magicninja]

I think you guys are dead wrong about the pricing. If it were me in Washington this is how I would draw out the bill.

Bill# 0000-000-0000-00

Legislation to repeal the Prohibition of Marijuana.


In regards to Possesion.

It shall be legal to posess on your person or place of residence no more than 1 oz. Marijuana at one time.

The legal age to possess and/or buy Marijuana shall be set at 21 years of age.

It shall be illegal to posess any opened package containing marijuana in a motor vehicle. (Similar to alcohol open container laws)

In regards to taxes.

The federal goverment shall impose a sellers tax of no more than 25% of the manufacterer's standard retail price per retail package.

States will be obliged to create there own taxes.

In regards to marijuana establishments

An establishment wanting to sell marijuana shall obtain a federal purchase license as well as state certification.

A program shall be created to train the employees of these establishments regarding age limits and proper sale of the product.

A limit shall be placed on the amount of such establishments in a given area based on population.

There shall be no more than 1 establishment per 10.000 people in a given state, county, or metropolitan area.

Of course there would be other things to consider like export/import taxes. Interstate trade would be a big thing to consider. What jobs can refuse to hire potheads would be a huge issue as well. I dunno maybe I'm just high. :D
I think for a "pack" of marijuana joints packaged exactly like cigarettes with all taxes and what not should cost no more than $10-$15 American clams.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

grab ya' lighter
roll a sticky
let's get high
let's get high

dude, I've got an entire cd full of music about getting high.




One sunny day I was riding my bike
and smoking a joint cause that's what I like
police man stopped me and began to stare
and he said "hey sonny, what you smokin there?"

it's a reefer day, you want some police man?
it's a reefer day, you want to blast?
it's a reefer day, you want some police man?
or would you prefer me to shove it up your ass?

that song goes on where the police man confiscates the weed, gets high, takes it back to the police department, the sergeant takes it, gets high, and it gets passed around to "every copper in the place" hilarious song..

[Fenderalltheway]

Well heres what
I think...

I don't do marijuana, never have, never will. I think it messes with your mind, so i voted no. On the other hand, unless its like my/ girlfriend/family/bestfriend doing it, if someone wants to do it, be my guest.

[Oyster]

Let's not forget alcohol poisoning. It has kiiled many a person. However, there's not one case of a person dying from smoking pot, ever. Pot helps folks ease pain from arthritis and many other medical problems, mental problems or whatever you got. Smoke a fatty and you'll feel better! :D

hahaha damn straight.

[iiholly]

Well why don't we just have drink and marijuana illegal? That's not going to happen, as the past as shown.

Here is what I think. There are good arguements for both sides. All the cliche excuses. Marijuana hasn't killed anyone. Marijuana isn't addicting (yeah right). On the other hand... Marijuana is a gateway drug. Marijuana is worse than smoking cigarettes.

When it comes down to it, what you need to ask yourself is it really probable that marijuana is going to be legalized. I believe the answer is no. Why legalize something that can only do harm to our society and our children. We couldn't even legalize gay marriage, how are we going to legalize weed. Why not spend time on something more effective than legalizing drugs?

Now you may be asking yourself why don't we make alcohol illegal. That's a cute idea, but it doesn't work as the past has shown.

If you really want to smoke it you can. Why not just got smoke yourself to retardation, and stop trying to corrupt society further.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Here's my wonderous stance. Legal. Illegal. I don't give a ****. I'm not going to smoke it either way.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

I'm still cravin some brownies..

[stackny]

Holly is exactly right. Its a gateway drug and only leads to bad things. Never smoked it, never will. Got an uncle who is totally screwed up due to weed. Thats my motivator to stay away from the sweet leaf.

[magicninja]

Sweet leaf? Hmm...I like that. As for weed being addicting? No it isn't.I quit instantly cold turkey like I never had started. I had a good reason witch was probation. So if you really need or want to quit it isn't very hard at all. It's willpower. There are those who have and those who have not. It's the same with weed being called a gateway drug. If you don't want to do something Just say no. Weed has no bearing on the desicion.

[Danny C.]

I just don't understand, some of the smartest people I know smoke pot. I don't think it should be legalized because in my opinion, staying away from it will be better for you anyways, and I assume there is a reason for it to be illegal in the first place. I am not bashing you guys but I seriously am not well educated on this topic and it doesn't make that much sense to me. All I know is I'll never touch the stuff. But to each his own.

[Kevin Taylor]

Well heres what
I think...

I don't do marijuana, never have, never will. I think it messes with your mind,

That's the point though. The nearest explanation I can think of from my teenage years ....
I was one of those guys who was totally against drugs. Then I saw an old movie called "Go Ask Alice" and I just had to try pot for myself.

My first thought after smoking it was that it totally opened my mind to ideas about things that I'd never thought about. It was almost like my mind was closed and blocked off to things..... then suddenly I'd have these revelations about music or life in general. I'd listen to songs and understand them....

I guess my theory is that I'd never have grown up unless I'd experimented in certain drugs like pot and mushrooms. There were times I'd sit in my car by myself while high on mushrooms, just thinking about my life and suddenly having these realizations about how things worked... ..it's too hard to explain, but I'm totally thankful to mild drugs for opening my mind to alternate possibilities.
I'd also never have gotten into albums like Crime of the Century or I Robot, Dark Side of the Moon etc... unless I'd been sitting around with friends, experiencing them while high.

Now, the final test of listening to your own material to see if it's 'cool' and not corny is to have a few beers, smoke a joint and listen to your songs the way other people would percieve it. (it's not a great idea to get high while you're recording though).
You get to listen to your music through fresh ears and with a perspective that other guys at parties might interpret your music.

I dunno.... one of the final tests for me is to listen to songs I've recorded after a few beers to get rid of preconcieved ideas, mellow out a bit, listen with fresh ears while imagining someone listening to it who's a bit high.
If it still stands up and doesn't make me go 'eeesh', then it passes the test.
If I listen to it and can tell that when I record it I was being dorky, I toss it out.

Legal notice: all the above statements are my own opinions and in no way am I advocating the use of illegal drugs.

The secret to drug and alcohol use is moderation.

[magicninja]

But to each his own.

This, to me, says it all.

[Kevin Taylor]

I just don't understand, some of the smartest people I know smoke pot. I don't think it should be legalized because in my opinion, staying away from it will be better for you anyways, and I assume there is a reason for it to be illegal in the first place. I am not bashing you guys but I seriously am not well educated on this topic and it doesn't make that much sense to me. All I know is I'll never touch the stuff. But to each his own.

What can I say. To each his own.
All I can say is that you should at least try it once just to experience it.
Be around people you trust and watch some Ren and Stimpy or something.
You'll suddenly 'get it'.
It's like opening your mind to possiblities that you'd never even consider without it.
Also, keep in mind that it's a totally mild drug and that billions of people smoke it. Most of them being parents who grew up with it who now treat pot as a normal part of life. It's no longer the 'illegal' taboo drug to hide away like it used to be. These days, parents are smoking it around their teens and even smoking up with them.
Hell... we used to smoke up with my friends mother and it was just a fact of life.

[KonaGirl06]

I don't think it should be legal anywhere. Marijuana is awful stuff. I have never smoked, and i never will. I don't think I need to smoke it to know that its killing people. And to me, people killing themselves doesn't make much sense.

[Lordathestrings]

... I don't think I need to smoke it to know that its killing people. ...

I'm going to want to see some thoroughly documented evidence before I'm going to accept that as fact.

[magicninja]

I don't think it's ever killed anyone directly like tobacco does everyday. Has marijuana contributed to car accident and stuff like that? Sure, but not anymore than alcohol. It's cool you're in NM. Where at?

[Kevin Taylor]

Where are you getting you information????

The only detrimental effect that pot has on you is similar to cigarettes.
If you smoke too much, your throat gets raw, you cough up phlegm and get a tickle in your throat. Just like cigarettes.
The thing you can do is find ways to smoke it so it goes down smoother.
Bongs, supertokes and best of all, in moderation.
Don't suck them down like a milkshake.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

have you noticed that everyone that says "pot is killing people, it shouldn't be legal" is the people that have never tried it? that were taught and raised that all drugs are bad, and that taking one puff will instantly kill you. and anybody who has ever done one single drug will be messed up for the rest of their life, become totally addicted to them, and wind up on the streets.

here's my 2 cents. I have never done pot, honestly. but once I threw a small party at my house while my parents were out of town.. it was about 8-10 people.. most of them (only me and 2 other people stayed sober) after a while went out to their car, smoked some weed (they asked me for an empty soda can.. so, I'm not exactly sure what they did.. but somehow they got high off weed with this soda can) and came back inside.. and wow, that was seriously one of the most fun times I've ever had, even though I wasn't high, just being around these people who were was hilariously funny. there was one guy in particular, who was very quiet and really kind before hand, who became a totally different person once he was high, in a good way! he became the funniest guy ever! seriously! he did a few skits that he made up off the top of his head, where he played all the characters at once. it was great! the point is, I have seen the effects of pot firsthand, and see no harm in it. it's all good clean fun.. sure, it can be a gateway drug if you allow it to be. but as schmange said, it's good in moderation. if you go out every single night, and get high constantly, then yes it will probably lead you on to more powerful drugs.. but if you are the occasional smoker who just does it for a fun time, then there is no real danger.

so, if offered, would I try pot? maybe. it depends on who I'm with, where I'm at, and what my chances of getting caught are.. if I'm at a friends house (or just anybodys house that's not mine), I'm going to be there all day/night, their parents are gone and/or they no longer live with their parents, and I don't have anywhere else to be.. then yeah! I'll do it! definately!

[magicninja]

It's good to see you thought about everything. I hope you thought about the consequences thoroughly. You could end up raking leaves at the local tourist info center or picking up trash along the freeway. ;) I'm serious about the thinking it through. Alot of people your age don't put a priority on figuring out what they would do in certain situations. I will give you this advice. Make sure it's something you want to do and not someone pushing you to do it. Take it slow your first time, if you over do it then you may get the wrong idea of what makes marijuana apealing. A lot of first timers joining in with experienced smokers will sometimes get persuaded to get too stoned just so the vets can mess with 'em. They will mess with you regardless, but it's a right of passage so to speak. You will get pretty high your first few times but like anything else your body will adapt. I remember how high I used to get..........wait no I don't. Anyway I don't get as high as I used to but I like it better this way.


<Schmangelike Disclaimer> Marijuana is not for everybody!!! I do not recommend you use marijuana until you have researched all the facts and made a competent decision based on your own judgement and no one else's including mine.

[iiholly]

Sweet leaf? Hmm...I like that. As for weed being addicting? No it isn't.I quit instantly cold turkey like I never had started. I had a good reason witch was probation. So if you really need or want to quit it isn't very hard at all. It's willpower. There are those who have and those who have not. It's the same with weed being called a gateway drug. If you don't want to do something Just say no. Weed has no bearing on the desicion.

You wouldn't need will power if it wasn't addictive.

[Kevin Taylor]

I lived in Barrie in the 70's and our house was on a corner lot. All the kids going to school used to stop off at our house on the way to school and smoke up. In throught the front door, and our through the back.
My first few years of high school were hell because I didn't know anybody but suddenly in the last year, I got into a band and our house became the weigh station on the way to school for everybody.

I'd say my best years and most memorable experiences were a result of making friends who smoked up. We used to go out of our way to find adventures just so we'd have something to do while we were smoking.
It was like "hey we've got pot.... lets go downtown and play pool, lets go swimming, let's go take off and find something to do... all for the sake of the fact that we had pot.

About the only thing harder that we ever tried was hash oil or hash.
We dabbled in mushrooms and peyote but could never find the stuff so only tried it once or twice. I think we tried acid a couple of times but that was it.
(the funniest drug in the world... like seriously you can't stop laughing).
Mostly though it was plain old pot and even then it only when we could get it. It wasn't like we had it all the time.
One thing I remember is we never drank alcohol except very occasionally at parties.

Anyways... I guess the point is, back then, it was part of the culture.
Nobody thought twice about doing drugs and it was the thing that made life interesting. Even my best friends mom smoked up and provided us with pot.
It was just a way of life and no more illegal or shocking that*drinking beer.

All the freak out crap these days is propoganda by the government and cops who want to make their daily quota of arrests and advertisements that they're doing something to combat the problem.

[bigbuda]

I totally agree with Schmange. Smoking a joint is no different than drinking a beer. Also, let's not forget that alcohol is a drug too. ;)

[iiholly]

Well... maybe a "few" more beers would equal one joint.

[bigbuda]

Well... maybe a "few" more beers would equal one joint.

Not to be rude. But you clearly stated that you are against drugs and drug users. So you wouldn't know what a joint is equal to. Unless you are an undercover smoker. :D

[iiholly]

No, there is such thing as quitting.

[magicninja]

You wouldn't need will power if it wasn't addictive.
You need will power for anything. Getting up in the morning for some takes will power. :eek:

[bigbuda]

Nobody likes a quitter holly.

[stackny]

Weed may not be addictive in the sense that nicotine is addictive, but the state of mind is addictive.

[magicninja]

You're right I'd rather be high, but if the time came where I didn't feel this way I could quit without much resistance from my body. Ask holly she quit.

[bigbuda]

I've stopped smoking for periods of time in order to get a job or what have you. The longest I've gone without smoking is 6months. I'll never completely quit though. It is more of a state of mind thing though, I agree.

[R. Shackleferd]

Weed may not be addictive in the sense that nicotine is addictive, but the state of mind is addictive.
Yep, it's addictive in the same sense of your favorite tv show...nicotine (especially), alcohol, caffeine, hell, practically any other substance is more addictive (and harmful) than weed.
(they asked me for an empty soda can.. so, I'm not exactly sure what they did.. but somehow they got high off weed with this soda can)
Hmm, the old soda can pipe eh? I think that's prolly the worst way to smoke it. As far as desperate means go it doesn't compare to a toilet paper roll and some foil :D

[iiholly]

Ahem... I was very cranky when I quit. You guys can go ahead and smoke yourselves retarded. Once again I will state this... weed is more harmful then cigarettes. If you don't believe me look it up. Not on a pot head website though. Or maybe even a smart pot head would admit it.
All I know is that I'm against drugs. I wrote part of my IB paper on the legalization of marijuana, so I know both sides of the arguement. I used to toke up as well. I used to do cocaine for christs sake. So I have enough experience to say, drugs suck.

[magicninja]

Ahem... I was very cranky when I quit. You guys can go ahead and smoke yourselves retarded. Once again I will state this... weed is more harmful then cigarettes. If you don't believe me look it up. Not on a pot head website though. Or maybe even a smart pot head would admit it.
All I know is that I'm against drugs. I wrote part of my IB paper on the legalization of marijuana, so I know both sides of the arguement. I used to toke up as well. I used to do cocaine for christs sake. So I have enough experience to say, drugs suck.
Opinion duly noted and respected but not agreed with. :)

[R. Shackleferd]

Once again I will state this... weed is more harmful then cigarettes...
That's too general a statement. Smoking weed more than once a day, I'd agree. However, a smoker of cigarettes smokes at least half a pack, usually more, a day, everyday, without fail. Only the most diehard potheads (prolly harvesters) smoke that much weed. Plus the fact that nicotine is HIGHLY addictive, really ups the harmful factor for me.

Note: I know the line...one joint equals so many cigs, because it's unfiltered.

[bigbuda]

Opinion duly noted and respected but not agreed with. :)

That goes for me too. ;)

[stackny]

Yep, it's addictive in the same sense of your favorite tv show...nicotine (especially), alcohol, caffeine, hell, practically any other substance is more addictive (and harmful) than weed.



Bull shiznit.

[magicninja]

Bull shiznit.
Why? How do you know?

[z0s0_jp]

You need will power for anything. Getting up in the morning for some takes will power. :eek:
especially for bud smokers!!!

[z0s0_jp]

Yep, it's addictive in the same sense of your favorite tv show...nicotine (especially), alcohol, caffeine, hell, practically any other substance is more addictive (and harmful) than weed.

Hmm, the old soda can pipe eh? I think that's prolly the worst way to smoke it. As far as desperate means go it doesn't compare to a toilet paper roll and some foil :D
i prefer the 'ol toilet paper roll ;)

[z0s0_jp]

That's too general a statement. Smoking weed more than once a day, I'd agree. However, a smoker of cigarettes smokes at least half a pack, usually more, a day, everyday, without fail. Only the most diehard potheads (prolly harvesters) smoke that much weed. Plus the fact that nicotine is HIGHLY addictive, really ups the harmful factor for me.

Note: I know the line...one joint equals so many cigs, because it's unfiltered.
THE VAPORIZER!!!!!!!! :eek:

[bigbuda]

THE VAPORIZER!!!!!!!! :eek:


The 6ft water bong....... :D

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

Bull shiznit.
proof? have any? show me some statistics that say weed is more addictive then any of those.

and iiholly, I thought you were supposed to be a hippie.. that's all hippies do! is sit around, smoke weed, and try and save endangered animals and stuff..

[stackny]

proof? have any? show me some statistics that say weed is more addictive then any of those.



Just from the 40 something year old weed heads that I talk to who hang out at my uncles house.

[z0s0_jp]

proof? have any? show me some statistics that say weed is more addictive then any of those.

and iiholly, I thought you were supposed to be a hippie.. that's all hippies do! is sit around, smoke weed, and try and save endangered animals and stuff..
you mean they talk about trying to do stuff ;).....ok.....that was mean

[KonaGirl06]

Good point, it might not kill people directly...but still i gotta say, it sure isn't helping anyone. What do you think about it?
I live in albuquerque, where are you from?

[bigbuda]

Good point, it might not kill people directly...but still i gotta say, it sure isn't helping anyone. What do you think about it?
I live in albuquerque, where are you from?

Let me ask you this. When people get drunk they are prone to fighting, when crackheads run out of cash they will rob someone. When was the last time you saw someone smoke a joint and want to fight or rob anybody? I think everyone could benefit from a hit off a hooter. ;)

[magicninja]

I'm in Raton.

It ain't gonna make you live longer, no. It just isn't as bad as a lot of people think.

[Kevin Taylor]

Ahem... I was very cranky when I quit. You guys can go ahead and smoke yourselves retarded. Once again I will state this... weed is more harmful then cigarettes. .

But in what way?
It doesn't hurt your brain cells on a permanent basis.
About the only thing more harmful is if you smoke a whole bag to yourself or smoke tons every day. Then you're damaging your lungs.
And it's not addictive. When you run out, you don't have withdrawal symptoms or feel obligated to commit a crime to get more money for some.
The only addictive part of it is that you like smoking and wouldn't mind having some more.
And on a side note, I'd rather smell pot than cigarrette smoke any day.
Especially American cigarrettes. They stink like cigars.

I still find it hard to believe too that when I was in college, we used to smoke in class. Man, things have changed.

As far as cigarrettes go, I quit about 20 years ago. I was coughing all the time and had a tickle in my throat. One night I couldn't get to sleep from coughing so I got up and squashed my brand new pack of smokes into dust and never smoked again. Hell, I used to smoke a pack of Export A's every day. Not only smoke em, but smoke half a cigarrette and stub it out, then relight it so it'd taste stronger.
Now I can't even stand the smell.

[Cryptic Excretions]

But in what way?
It doesn't hurt your brain cells on a permanent basis.
About the only thing more harmful is if you smoke a whole bag to yourself or smoke tons every day. Then you're damaging your lungs.
And it's not addictive. When you run out, you don't have withdrawal symptoms or feel obligated to commit a crime to get more money for some.
The only addictive part of it is that you like smoking and wouldn't mind having some more.
And on a side note, I'd rather smell pot than cigarrette smoke any day.
Especially American cigarrettes. They stink like cigars.
My only real quarrel with anyone that promotes pot is that they seem to forget that people all react differently to things. In my own personal experience, my mental stability does not work well with any mind altering substances. I've had plenty of bad experiences with pot. Others don't have quite as bad of experiences, but I always feel like I've been poked when people say that nothing bad ever comes from pot, because truth be known... all my experiences with it really sucked.


As far as cigarrettes go, I quit about 20 years ago. I was coughing all the time and had a tickle in my throat. One night I couldn't get to sleep from coughing so I got up and squashed my brand new pack of smokes into dust and never smoked again. Hell, I used to smoke a pack of Export A's every day. Not only smoke em, but smoke half a cigarrette and stub it out, then relight it so it'd taste stronger.
Now I can't even stand the smell.
Here's something I can relate to, however. Granted I never went to such an extremity for them, I've smoked my fair share. Oddly enough, now a days I find it hard to believe that I ever smoked.

[Kevin Taylor]

I guess it's like everything... it's not for everybody.
I tried coke at one point and couldn't understand what people saw in it.
Same thing with alcohol. I can't stand the taste of beer and the only reason I drink is to get a buzz. There's no way I could drink just one beer for the pleasure of tasting it.... or drink beer with food.
I don't get how anybody could become an alcoholic.
After a couple of days of drinking I can't stand to even look at it.
It takes me about a month before I can handle drinking again.

[magicninja]

I think you guys are dead wrong about the pricing. If it were me in Washington this is how I would draw out the bill.

Bill# 0000-000-0000-00

Legislation to repeal the Prohibition of Marijuana.


In regards to Possesion.

It shall be legal to posess on your person or place of residence no more than 1 oz. Marijuana at one time.

The legal age to possess and/or buy Marijuana shall be set at 21 years of age.

It shall be illegal to posess any opened package containing marijuana in a motor vehicle. (Similar to alcohol open container laws)

In regards to taxes.

The federal goverment shall impose a sellers tax of no more than 25% of the manufacterer's standard retail price per retail package.

States will be obliged to create there own taxes.

In regards to marijuana establishments

An establishment wanting to sell marijuana shall obtain a federal purchase license as well as state certification.

A program shall be created to train the employees of these establishments regarding age limits and proper sale of the product.

A limit shall be placed on the amount of such establishments in a given area based on population.

There shall be no more than 1 establishment per 10.000 people in a given state, county, or metropolitan area.

Of course there would be other things to consider like export/import taxes. Interstate trade would be a big thing to consider. What jobs can refuse to hire potheads would be a huge issue as well. I dunno maybe I'm just high. :D
I think for a "pack" of marijuana joints packaged exactly like cigarettes with all taxes and what not should cost no more than $10-$15 American clams.
I should send this to my senator. I quit getting high again for the time being cuz of little Fox. Again I quit like I had never started in the first place. Easy as pie. Weed is not addictive.

[GuitarPsy]

as living in the Netherlands, where weed is legalised, it has improved our society a lot, I doubt it will do the same in the US, you can't just legalise weed just because it's not harmfull, it's depends on the people

a nice example, compare the amount of guns in Canada and the US and then compare the deathcount due to guns in both countries, why is it that Canada almost has no deaths due to guns in comparison with the US? ;)

same with alcohol, it's legalised in the US at the age of 21? (I think), I personally find that real funny, alcohol is legalised at the age of 16 here, not that it doesn't cause many problems among youth but that's their responsibility and to legalise something makes it easier to control it, the US is simply too big in my opinion

drivers license legalised at the age of 16, that's like allowing kids to drive a car, insane if you ask me, way too much deaths because of irresponsible driving, it's 18 here, still causing a high deathrate between 18 and 22

what am I trying to say, I have no idea :p just that there is no main solution for something, I've noticed most people from the US are really ignorant and immature (no offence guys) and then to legalise such things is asking for trouble

I sound as if I'm as old as my grandfather, I'm only 22 :rolleyes: (btw I've smoked weed a while, didn't do much for me, beer all the way)

[jiujitsu_jesus]

I am extremely wary of anything that can lead to schizophrenia and hallucinatory disorders - which research has conclusively proved dope does. As a result, I don't want to smoke weed myself - I'm screwed up enough already ;) - but I think that perhaps legalising it would be a wise course of action. Perhaps if it was legalised AND appropriately regulated, it would eventually put the underground cannabis trade out of business - and with usage being legal, perhaps there could be more research and regulation for safer usage?

But I agree with you in a way, GuitarPsy - if it's simply legalised WITHOUT any regulation, it will be extremely destructive.

[magicninja]

I am extremely wary of anything that can lead to schizophrenia and hallucinatory disorders - which research has conclusively proved dope does.
Haha, you've been doused with misinformation buddy. Don't believe everything your government allows people to tell you.

[jeffhx]

i dont reckon that weed would litereally kill you...plus nowadays its pretty much all around us...in australia practically every local i know is doing it..its not fully legalized in a sense that you're able to distribute...but smoking it heaps is no problem.. at least thats wat my understanding of it though..not so sure about the US..

[GuitarPsy]

I've known people from before they smoked weed and after, and I must say, they did NOT improve, looked as if half their brain died

I don't know about consequences or anything, but I do know that people who use it a lot, start to become kinda strange :p

[jeffhx]

fair enough but what would u base those against? i have heard stories of pplhaving holes in their freakin brains as well! i mean nt allppl that smoke weed is brain damaged...ive had mates who have smoked their lives out but still fine

[earthman buck]

I say legalize it. I don't think it's the greatest thing you could be doing with your time and money, but I honestly think it's better that than booze. How many stories do you hear of people smoking up and killing people in fits of unprovoked rage? Few, if any. How many stories do you hear of people getting drunk and killing people in fits of unprovoked rage? A lot.

[GuitarPsy]

fair enough but what would u base those against? i have heard stories of pplhaving holes in their freakin brains as well! i mean nt allppl that smoke weed is brain damaged...ive had mates who have smoked their lives out but still fine

it's not based on anything, just my observation, maybe they start to become slow mentally just because they're used to being slow or something :p I don't know honestly, what I do know is that somehow it changed them, whether it's psysically or mentally

I think I'll get me a blunt one of these days, to remember the old days :p

[guitarplyr15]

I believe marijuana should be legal just because there are other drugs worse than this and i heard there is not a big difference of the effect of Marijuana and alchohol and alchohol gives you a hangover!. well there should b an age limit but it should be legalized.

[ericthecableguy]

This isn't regarding legalization but...

I don't smoke, but I have friends (and a brother) who do.
First, If it's cool with their parents I don't care, I still think it's stupid, but I get my own opinion.

When it becomes a problem is when it affects your life. I've seen so many friends sever relationships with their families, because apparently getting high is more important. I wish people like this could realize how retarded they are acting.

Anyways....hmm.....

[jiujitsu_jesus]

in australia practically every local i know is doing it..its not fully legalized in a sense that you're able to distribute...but smoking it heaps is no problem..

Dude, I think they must be smoking a different type of weed down in Melbourne! Where I live, the people who do weed for even a little while end up ruining their lives as a result... maybe the solution is to import "Melbourne Marijuana"! :D

And Eric, I agree - there's no better way to destroy a family unit than to use drugs. Which is why I think legalisation AND REGULATION is the way to go. If marijuana usage is controlled, its destructive social effects could be minimised.

[magicninja]

The only way it destroys families is when other people don't accept thier fellow family members for who they are and what they do. Families are ruined for less. Including a father or mother not approving of thier kids trying music as a career. It's the same thing.

Weed doesn't destroy peoples lives. People who's lives are already on the way down get high to deal with it. It was never the weeds fault. It doesn't help the situation I know and if you read back in my posts I say that you should only get high for the fun of getting high and not for a way to hide from your problems or because of any other reasons other than your own. Yo guys have huge misconceptions that were fed to you from outside scources because you all don't have first hand experience. You guys aren't speaking from fact but rather from hearsay.

[jiujitsu_jesus]

You're right, Ninj. I for one am not speaking from experience - I have never puffed on a joint in my life :o . But don't you agree that if marijuana is legalised, it should be highly regulated and controlled, to ensure that usage is safe?

[magicninja]

Of course it should be regulated. That's obvious. The laws should be no stricter than laws regulating alcohol though.

[ericthecableguy]

The only way it destroys families is when other people don't accept thier fellow family members for who they are and what they do. Families are ruined for less. Including a father or mother not approving of thier kids trying music as a career. It's the same thing.

Ya, but if it's breaking up your family it's pathetic to keep doing it. That's all I'm saying.


You guys aren't speaking from fact but rather from hearsay.

I don't really understand what you mean by this one...can you explicate? That's not a smartass comment...I just don't understand what you mean by this.

[magicninja]

Ya, but if it's breaking up your family it's pathetic to keep doing it. That's all I'm saying.
True but with those people it's usually more of "Accept me for who I am". If your parents were going to disown you for playing guitar or doing something you loved how would you feel?



I don't really understand what you mean by this one...can you explicate? That's not a smartass comment...I just don't understand what you mean by this.
I'm saying you're just repeating what other people have said instead of actually knowing what your talking about. More or less.

[Hammurabi]

I think pot smells good. I've never smoked it, but I had a friend in high school who was a dealer.

don't you agree that if marijuana is legalised, it should be highly regulated and controlled, to ensure that usage is safe?
No. Your health is none of the government's business. Regulating and controlling substances such as pot make no more sense than outlawing fatty foods.

[ericthecableguy]

I'm saying you're just repeating what other people have said instead of actually knowing what your talking about. More or less.

Well...I actually really don't consider myself one of those people. I believe a bunch of pot facts are done in unfair studies and I generally see through the bs.
I'm actually getting these facts with first hand expierence. I mean, I've got friends whose moms buy them pot, that doesn't bother me at all. I've also got friends who I've mentioned in this thread.

I really believe legalizing it is the way to go. With all the sentences and court times cut out, we'd probably save on taxes. I can honestly see it happening in Canada in the fuure. Small amounts are decriminalized. It's still illegal, just not a criminal offense.

[Grambo]

There is some controversy that cannabis may cause mental disorders, but the point is: that once a person has become mentally ill - they have to take powerfull depressive medication for life - cannabis can lift the depression and motivate a patient into occupational therapy.

[magicninja]

Weed don't cause mental disorders. Some with mental disorders smoke weed, just like some of everybody. The weed had nothing to do with it.

[PonyOne]

Just wanted to point out a couple things here...

-Marijuana is not phyiscally addictive, but it is certainly psychologically addictive. Pretty much anything can be psychologically addictive in the right setting to a person with the right type of mind; some people are more vulnerable to this than others. People frequently gain addictions to things that they think have a beneficial effect on them; think of the placebo effect... give someone sugar pills that don't do anything, but tell them that they are supposed to do a certain thing, and many people will believe it to be the case.

When you're taking something that does legitimately have an effect, like marijuana, it's quite easy to become psychologically addicted. I've met lots of people who get stressed out and really, really, REALLY want or one could even argue need to smoke a joint, becuase they've become addicted to the fact tha it mellows them out.

-some tests have found that long-term marijunana use has negative lasting effects, but generally only in cases where the user has smoked HUGE amounts of weed for a long time; like a half ounce a day for the last decade (this is a weed habit that's so expensive, you could finance a couple porsches or get a second house instead; there aren't that many potheads with that heavy an addiction out there... because it's generally somewhat hard to maintain that much of a disposable income when you're that stoned all the time). The negative effects include slower reaction time, lower IQ scores, and decreased short term memory. In the short term, it is generally accepted that its benefiets for ones health vastly outweigh the detriments.

I've previously stated that I don't agree with legalization of marijuana. And it's right now that I'm going to make a confession: I have a legal medical marijuana permit for the state of California that allows me to possess up to an ounce. I wasn't into it at all; hell, I'd never tried it up until about 6 months ago. And I'll still say this: I think it smells revolting. And people who are way into weed still annoy and piss the hell out of me. But over the past few years, my ADHD has gotten worse and worse; I have adult ADD that started to show signs of manifestation around the time I was in high school, and it was beginning to get to the point where I could barely accomplish anything. I tried to focus myself over and over, I tried every non-invasive method I could get my hands on that didn't seem like total quackery and nothing really helped.

I had thought hard about medications; most of them are based on amphetamines, and I'm sure you all know what amphetamines are. I was really, really averse to putting anything of that nature into my body, and I already have a hard time getting to sleep at night; amphetamines will keep you up like nothing else. I'd been inadvertantly self-medicating with caffeine for years; caffeine has, like many other things, the inverse effect on people who are chemically different and have ADD or ADHD. It was actually my doctor that mentioned the possibility, and I was still pretty against it.

I talked to a few friends who smoked it and weren't retards about it; two of them have ADD, one of them way worse than me, and both said that when they did it, they could sit down and study, or get things done. So I finally relented and I tried it.

I sat down and memorized the Japanese hiragana alphabet in about four hours. I'd been working for a week to memorize the first five syllables (?, ?, ?, ?, ?; a, i, u, e, o respectively) unsuccessfully before then. I went out and got my card a few days later. I finally feel like I can use my brain like I could when I was younger; it's like things are open again, like I can just inhale information. I can read a book and remember what I read on the page! I can apply the knowledge just like I could before whatever disaster in puberty screwed up my brain chemistry! To anyone else here who has ADHD, I'm sure you know what it is that I'm talking about... it's that physical fog that you see in the back of your brain that appears whenever you're trying to learn something and pay attention, and it hurts. It's embarassing. It's nigh upon humiliating, even if no one else realizes you have it.

I don't like it very much when I realize how wrong I was at a certain point, or not necessarily how wrong I was but how much more recent life developments have differed my opinions on things, but, at the same time, I'm a firm believer that it takes a bigger man to be able to admit that he was wrong and adapt to change than it does to stick to your guns even when your guns no longer are necessary, or never were.

Do I believe in legalization? For the most part yes. I look at it versus alcohol, whose health benefiets are overshadowed almost immedeately by its detriments, and at tobacco, which has basically no benefiets whatsoever and positively eradicates your lungs and teeth; after what it's done for me I feel that it would be hypocritical of me to be against it.

[GuitarPsy]

respect admitting that PonyOne, that's not an easy thing to do! I think you completed this thread with all the information there is about marijuana

I'm glad you found a good way to handle it, I think you'll be fine and somehow will find a way to deal with this without the marijuana. I personally can relate to your story, though I don't have ADD, but a form of Autism. Marijuana makes me feel really weird, can't explain how, but at that time I also didn't really understand myself either, gonna try marijuana some time again to see and learn from how it affects me, I'll post my findings :p

[magicninja]

So Ponyone tokes up eh?

*Cue stunned silence*