View Full Version : Most overrated band ever???
Randal Floyd
08-22-2005, 08:57 PM
If i had to pick i would say the Rolling Stone......your thoughts?
jclaggett
08-22-2005, 09:23 PM
I would have to go with Nirvana! Top alternative band ever or so they say. In my opinion there are far better bands.
tehplatypus
08-23-2005, 02:52 AM
If i had to pick i would say the Rolling Stone......your thoughts?
i'd say rolling stones and maybe led zeppelin...but i have a thing against jimmy stealing blues songs and trying to pass them off as his own.
Polera
08-23-2005, 04:45 AM
all nu metal bands.
werdnarolyat
08-23-2005, 06:46 AM
U2, i just dont understand the fuss a lot of people make about them.
bigbuda
08-23-2005, 04:06 PM
cowboy troy. Have you seen this guy ripping up the country music scene. What's happened to country?
Jolly McJollyson
08-23-2005, 04:17 PM
Led Zeppelin
R. Shackleferd
08-23-2005, 04:29 PM
i'd say rolling stones and maybe led zeppelin...but i have a thing against jimmy stealing blues songs and trying to pass them off as his own.
Stealing? Have you heard the originals? They're almost not even the same song. Dazed and Confused for instance. Jimi did the same...All Along the Watchtower (among others) is nothing like Dylan's.
But right on the money with the Stones. Never cared for them at all.
Raskolnikov
08-23-2005, 05:00 PM
Stealing? Have you heard the originals? They're almost not even the same song. Dazed and Confused for instance. Jimi did the same...All Along the Watchtower (among others) is nothing like Dylan's.
Jimi at least gave the writing credit without legal measures being taken, though.
He also never did anything as blatantly plagiaristic as Page did with Sprit's song "Taurus" when writing the intro to Stairway to Heaven.
Jolly McJollyson
08-23-2005, 05:06 PM
He also never did anything as blatantly plagiaristic as Page did with Sprit's song "Taurus" when writing the intro to Stairway to Heaven.
ZING!!!!!!
dakine80
08-23-2005, 05:38 PM
I know this is the most over rated BAND, but I think that BB King is very overrated. What makes him so special is beyond me. He's in like every top ten list. Usually, you're more technically proficient than the guys that came before you, but in his case he isn't even that.
He MIGHT be in the top ten of straight blues players, but in my opinion he's not.
I know this is the most over rated BAND, but I think that BB King is very overrated. What makes him so special is beyond me. He's in like every top ten list. Usually, you're more technically proficient than the guys that came before you, but in his case he isn't even that.
He MIGHT be in the top ten of straight blues players, but in my opinion he's not.
He's on top b/c he puts so much feeling into his playing....It's not alway's about being the most technical.
Anyway, here's my list of overrated bands....
Rolling Stones
Greenday
The White Stripes
Weezer
Janis Joplin
Nirvana
Bob Dylan
The Doors
The Who
There's a lot more, I'm just brain dead right now....
Randal Floyd
08-23-2005, 06:42 PM
JFRICK Anyway, here's my list of overrated bands....
You've got to be kiddin me dude.....Greenday, Weezer, The Doors, Nirvana.....I like The who and i can understand people thinkin Nirvana is overated but thats because most people only like them because of "Come as you are" and "Teen Spirit" but the rest of there music for the most part is good.... but explain Greenday, Weezer, The Doors and Nirvana
Weezer: I read an interview with the singer/guitarist, can't remember his name.....He was talking about how much he hates fans and avoids them at all cost.....the fans are who made him famous, he's a joke...plus, the music is just boring...
Greenday: Again, boring, all sounds the same....
The Doors: Jim Morrison alway's annoyed me....yeah, he's poetic and all, but his voice and their music never did anything for me.
Nirvana: 3 chords, that's all I've got to say.
It's all just personal opinion......doesn't matter anyway.
Blues_Man
08-23-2005, 07:35 PM
greenday
anything punk (green day related, good charlotte)
Nirvana all sounds the same
all grunge ever
stackny
08-23-2005, 08:26 PM
Definitely Green Day
All Punk
Metallica Post 1987
Infectious
08-23-2005, 09:24 PM
Weezer: I read an interview with the singer/guitarist, can't remember his name.....He was talking about how much he hates fans and avoids them at all cost.....the fans are who made him famous, he's a joke...plus, the music is just boring...
Hey I read that same article. It was in May 2002's Guitar World. If I hadn't had a big enough reason to hate Weezer already that article defintely made sure i did. What an asshole! And yes I do agree with Greenday as a crappy band. As well as good charlotte and some other bands mentioned. God..a lot of those emo and punk guys should be shot in the face. Ewww...
R. Shackleferd
08-23-2005, 09:38 PM
Jimi at least gave the writing credit without legal measures being taken, though.
He also never did anything as blatantly plagiaristic as Page did with Sprit's song "Taurus" when writing the intro to Stairway to Heaven.
I'd never heard any claims like that about Stairway, nor have I ever heard of that song either. Perhaps so...I dunno. These "cover" songs aren't even why I like them anyways, so he's still my hero! :)
dakine80
08-23-2005, 10:43 PM
He's on top b/c he puts so much feeling into his playing....It's not alway's about being the most technical.
All blues players put feeling into their playing.
So what. He puts "feeling" into it. He plays the same chops over and over and over. He's just mimicing his predocesors.
Jolly McJollyson
08-24-2005, 12:04 AM
The Who
Quadrophenia
Tommy
Who's Next
Three of the greatest albums of the classic rock era.
FireAndIce24
08-24-2005, 01:09 AM
I sometimes think hendrix is overrated by some due the fact the they call him the best guitarist and theres nothing before or going to come that will be better. thats just BS. ya hes good and one of (if not the most) influencial guitarists, u cant say hes THAT good. Its like having your band name be "the $hit. no matter how good u are, u could never live up to your name.
as for bands, Nirvana by far.
Jolly McJollyson
08-24-2005, 11:34 AM
I'd never heard any claims like that about Stairway, nor have I ever heard of that song either.
That's because Stairway is a MUCH better song, but it's still stealing.
Raskolnikov
08-24-2005, 12:14 PM
I'd never heard any claims like that about Stairway, nor have I ever heard of that song either. Perhaps so...I dunno. These "cover" songs aren't even why I like them anyways, so he's still my hero! :)
Taurus is actually a pretty cool arrangement, if you get the chance, check it out.
Page definitely made a lot of very important contributions to music, but he also has one hell of a greedy streak. He's human, therefore he's flawed just like the rest of us. I don't think somebody has to be perfect to be a hero, but I do think it's important to note the whole picture.
Take some of my heros for instance: Johnny Cash used to beat June, Frank Zappa was a horrible father and cheated on his wife constantly, and I think Les Claypool's politics are about as ignorant as I've ever come across -- that doesn't make them lesser musicians, though.
He's just mimicing his predocesors.
Actually, BB's claim to fame is that instead of playing vibrato like his predecessors (parallel to the string), he shook the hell out of the strings in a perpendicular direction. In other words, BB is the reason why most of us play our vibrato the way we do today; if it weren't for him, we'd still be mimicing violinists and their approach to vibrato.
Yeah, he's got a limited bag of tricks; yeah, he's not a technical master, but Blues as we know it today simply wouldn't exist if it weren't for him.
PonyOne
08-25-2005, 02:46 AM
Rage Against The Machine
Nirvana (whom i love)
Jimi Hendrix (whom i love)
Aerosmith (best thing i ever heard Stephen Tyler referred to as was "a poor man's Mick Jagger by an old boss)
The Rolling Stones
Modest Mouse
Guns & Roses (great, but not THAT great)
Black Sabbath
and as far as non-bands go,
MICHAEL JACKSON. influential? yes. bigger than god for a period of time there? yes. but for god's sake, WHY DOES "THRILLER" ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE THE #1 SLOT FOR EVERY GOD DAMNED VIDEO COUNTDOWN EVER??? has anyone ever heard of Michel Gondry or Mark Romanek? :mad: and the basslines to songs like Billy Jean were classic, but he didn't even write them...
kingdavid
08-25-2005, 01:04 PM
The Beatles.
Never feel anything for them. By the way, I started a thread on the beatles in my early guitartricks days, and got walloped left right and centre. I guess you have to have lived the time to really appreciate them, but truth be told, I sit down and listen to many a beatles's songs, and I don't get the fuss. Maybe there's stuff in there that i take for granted that was LEGENDARY back then. Maybe I'm not musically developed enough to feel them. But that's just me.
R. Shackleferd
08-25-2005, 01:06 PM
It's not just you.
x0o_BurnOut_o0x
08-25-2005, 02:01 PM
METALLICA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why must everyone act like they are gods and everything they do should be worshipped??????? :confused: :confused: :confused:
FireAndIce24
08-25-2005, 04:04 PM
u know, come to think of it, every mainstream/famous band can be argued to be called overrated.
R. Shackleferd
08-25-2005, 04:10 PM
u know, come to think of it, every mainstream/famous band can be argued to be called overrated.
Aww hell, now what are we going to talk about? :)
R. Shackleferd
08-25-2005, 06:28 PM
Oh, oh, oh! I just thought of one. Can't believe no one's mentioned him yet.
Elvis Presley
x0o_BurnOut_o0x
08-25-2005, 08:33 PM
LOL!! I love Elvis Presley..my grandma took me to his house last summer..a bit creepy but still cool..
Charming.
08-25-2005, 11:54 PM
Greenday. They suck big time.
Jolly McJollyson
08-26-2005, 12:48 AM
Greenday. They suck big time.
Well, not their first three albums.
Akira
08-26-2005, 07:17 AM
Greenday. They suck big time.
That was very charming of you.
I am God of witty retort.
Here's another one I haven't seen listed yet....
The Darkness
Is it just me, or do most bands that start with "the" suck?
dakine80
08-26-2005, 08:59 PM
Actually, BB's claim to fame is that instead of playing vibrato like his predecessors (parallel to the string), he shook the hell out of the strings in a perpendicular direction. In other words, BB is the reason why most of us play our vibrato the way we do today; if it weren't for him, we'd still be mimicing violinists and their approach to vibrato.
Yeah, he's got a limited bag of tricks; yeah, he's not a technical master, but Blues as we know it today simply wouldn't exist if it weren't for him.
If it weren't for him we'd still be mimicing a violinists appraoch to vibrato? I almost laughed when I read that. I think MOST of us discovered vibrato for ourselves by accident, the BB King way, as you claim. He's not the first of anything;certainly not "perpendicular" vibrato.
And blues "as we know it today" wouldn't exist if it weren't for him?
That's ridiculous.
Raskolnikov
08-26-2005, 09:36 PM
If it weren't for him we'd still be mimicing a violinists appraoch to vibrato? I almost laughed when I read that. I think MOST of us discovered vibrato for ourselves by accident, the BB King way, as you claim. He's not the first of anything;certainly not "perpendicular" vibrato.
1. We've all grown up since B.B.'s time; I and most people I know figured out how to play "Enter Sandman" by accident, yet before Metallica released it, who latched onto that riff?
2. "Tapping" existed well before Eddie Van Halen. However, he popularized it and therefore he was the impetus for 99.999% of the implementation of that technique to come since that time.
And blues "as we know it today" wouldn't exist if it weren't for him?
That's ridiculous.
Tell that to Buddy Guy, Eric Clapton, SRV, Jimmy Vaughan, Robert Cray and any number of other contemporary Blues (and, honestly, a lot of Rock and Jazz guitarists I've run into) who have cited B.B. as a key influence on them.
When Jimmy Vaughan says that "we're all trying to sound like [B.B. King]" and the entire cast of the SRV tribute agrees with him, then I think that should tell you something.
When you think about it, compared to contemporary Hard Rock and Metal bands, Black Sabbath is relatively unremarkable; and yet without them, none of it would exist in its present form.
You have to remember: you're listening to B.B. King's music with 50+ years of following music history being thrown at you at the same time and so for you or I or almost anyone else on this site, it's a lot of hard work to put his music into the context of what music was before he came along and what it became because of it.
dakine80
08-26-2005, 10:29 PM
1. We've all grown up since B.B.'s time; I and most people I know figured out how to play "Enter Sandman" by accident, yet before Metallica released it, who latched onto that riff?
2. "Tapping" existed well before Eddie Van Halen. However, he popularized it and therefore he was the impetus for 99.999% of the implementation of that technique to come since that time.
Tell that to Buddy Guy, Eric Clapton, SRV, Jimmy Vaughan, Robert Cray and any number of other contemporary Blues (and, honestly, a lot of Rock and Jazz guitarists I've run into) who have cited B.B. as a key influence on them.
When Jimmy Vaughan says that "we're all trying to sound like [B.B. King]" and the entire cast of the SRV tribute agrees with him, then I think that should tell you something.
When you think about it, compared to contemporary Hard Rock and Metal bands, Black Sabbath is relatively unremarkable; and yet without them, none of it would exist in its present form.
You have to remember: you're listening to B.B. King's music with 50+ years of following music history being thrown at you at the same time and so for you or I or almost anyone else on this site, it's a lot of hard work to put his music into the context of what music was before he came along and what it became because of it.
I take it you're a BB fan, so I'll stop debating with you because it will never end. I would defend to the death for one of my favorite players too, or even someone I highly respected. Like Eddie!
The only guitarist to really use any kind of tapping before Eddie was Billy Gibbons, and he only used it a couple times in a lick or two. Eddie took it to an astronomical level, way beyond anyone's comprehension.
Just a quick question: Who do you think should be higher on a "guitarist" list, BB or Eddie? I mean as far as inspiration to musicians(successful or not) and the body of work? Just curious.
Raskolnikov
08-26-2005, 11:05 PM
I take it you're a BB fan, so I'll stop debating with you because it will never end. I would defend to the death for one of my favorite players too, or even someone I highly respected. Like Eddie!
No, I'm not a BB fan.
However, I do pay attention when I read or listen to artists talk about their influences and I'm not about to ignore a player or group's contribution just because I'm not a fan or even if I outright dispise them.
The only guitarist to really use any kind of tapping before Eddie was Billy Gibbons, and he only used it a couple times in a lick or two. Eddie took it to an astronomical level, way beyond anyone's comprehension.
There is another guy besides Billy Gibbons (who's name I can't remember, but somebody around here will) who did infact use tapping before Eddy and some people credit with inventing it. Even so, at a clinic I went to, Bill D¡ckens (monster bassist, taught Victor Wooten, composed the Cosby Show theme song, ghost-wrote an ungodly number of songs, etc, etc, etc...) talked about R&B cats tinkering with it it back in the 60's (though they had another name for it). Regardless, Eddie's the guy who made it stick.
Just a quick question: Who do you think should be higher on a "guitarist" list, BB or Eddie? I mean as far as inspiration to musicians(successful or not) and the body of work? Just curious.
I think this question is impossible to answer and it's not the sort of thing I really care to invest my time in.
Lohrtar
08-27-2005, 08:45 AM
Here's another one I haven't seen listed yet....
The Darkness
Is it just me, or do most bands that start with "the" suck?
It's just you
DarknessFury
08-27-2005, 09:43 AM
Greenday. They suck big time.
I'm sorry but I have to differ on that. Green Day is one of the best bands around and even if you hate them, you have to give them the respect they deserve for their contributions for the last 16 years
Gibson13601
08-27-2005, 09:45 AM
Have to agree with U2. And I know I will catch some **** for this...But I never thought Rush was all that great either. Granted they can play thier instruments very well, but other then maybe 2-3 songs...I think thier song writing is boring twisty and all over the place!
-Plastic-
08-27-2005, 02:35 PM
Here's another one I haven't seen listed yet....
The Darkness
Is it just me, or do most bands that start with "the" suck?
uh, The Jimi Hendrix Experience and The Beatles suck??
x0o_BurnOut_o0x
08-27-2005, 04:44 PM
Greenday. They suck big time.
Dude... No they do not. They are a kickass band and they deserve respect. Unlike all these other "punk" bands they have decided to strike out against the goverment and not be "girls private parts", which I admire ALOT. If there is any of that meaning left in punk it was definatley shown through there recent record.
x0o_BurnOut_o0x
08-27-2005, 04:46 PM
Green Day is no doubt over rated by alot of people but come on they dont suck.
iamthe_eggman
08-27-2005, 11:44 PM
Here's another one I haven't seen listed yet....
The Darkness
Is it just me, or do most bands that start with "the" suck?
uh, The Jimi Hendrix Experience and The Beatles suck??
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=most
Bands with political motivations that don't relate to them personally. The only band that I can think of that could possibly justify writing about politics is System of a Down. The guitar player's family all live in iraq. Reasons for writing his feelings about that into his music? Plenty. Greenday, however, is following a pop trend and putting stupid political ideas in their music for no reason at all. However, they do write some damn catchy music.
Hamberg
08-28-2005, 04:41 AM
Rage against the machine could justify writing about politics
x0o_BurnOut_o0x
08-28-2005, 11:28 AM
Bands with political motivations that don't relate to them personally. The only band that I can think of that could possibly justify writing about politics is System of a Down. The guitar player's family all live in iraq. Reasons for writing his feelings about that into his music? Plenty. Greenday, however, is following a pop trend and putting stupid political ideas in their music for no reason at all. However, they do write some damn catchy music.
So your saying if I didnt have a person in iraq I would be following a trend by wanting to protest against the goverment?
Oh well, If they are following a trend they did make a pretty good record in the process :)
PonyOne
08-28-2005, 02:44 PM
Green Day's "American Idiot" and NOFX's "Franco Unamerican" both occupy the same place in my heart as stupid pop punk, politically reactionary tripe. at least NOFX has had political songs in the past, but, i find both songs to be uninteresting.
anyone has the right to pen a song about their agreement or disagreement with war. just because a member of SOAD has family in Iraq doesn't mean they are more qualified than anyone else to write a song about war being evil than anyone else who disagrees with it. besides, he has family in Iraq... he's not in Iraq. my dad is in the military and serves in Iraq (well, actually, i'm home in MA visiting him for a week because he got his 2 weeks R&R); that doesn't mean that I have any more right to say that i think the war is wrong (which, BTW, i am against the war) than anyone else who disagrees with it.
now saying that they're the only band that has justification to write about politics is SOAD is just plain ignorant... politics affect us all... everyone from the most conservative southerner to the most liberal new englander has ample justification to write whatever they want to about politics. have you ever heard of Refused? They're from perfectly neutral Sweden, but, they have great political songs...
Kdemonti
08-31-2005, 03:21 AM
Van Halen after VH1 - I'm not saying they really suck after that, but Eddie pretty much blew his wad on their first record.
uh, The Jimi Hendrix Experience and The Beatles suck??
That's why I said most....but I do think The Beatles suck...
killerqueen
09-01-2005, 11:56 PM
no one said oasis yet? i keep seeing them everywhere at the moment... very irritating.
and i have to agree with jfrick... the darkness suck donkys. its hard to believe that a band that has shamelessly ripped off almost every 70's band could still be such a load of old crap.
makes me want to burn things... :) :) :)
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