legalization

[crazywolf]

I've had 3 weeks to write my term paper for my American Government class that is due tomorrow, and I have just now finished it at 2 a.m. Horray for not procrastinating!!! We had to choose one of 2 questions to write about, 1. should we invade North Korea? or something like that, or 2. should medical marijuana users be federally prosucitated. Well since I don't even know if North Korea is north or south of South Korea, I wrote about marijuana. After seeing all the information there is about marijuana, I really can't understand why it is not legal in the US. Well, 9 states have decrimilized and/or made marijuana legal for medicinal use, but I have yet to find evidance that marijuana is unsafe and should not be legal.

[Hammurabi]

I think pot should be legal but restricted. I don't want to see any 6 year olds toking on the playground.

On a similar subject, shrooms should be legal.

[ren]

Although legalising or de-criminalising it seems like a good idea, it would probably have some unpleasant effects. The government would probably tax it, making it more expensive than it is, and would probably make it uniform - one strain, one strength etc.

It is harmful. Not in the same way as tobacco, but has been 'proven' to cause respiritory problems and has links to mental health issues.

I don't think they ever will legalise it - if they did, people would sue the government when they got ill.... the way the world is today. Best bet is to go regularly to Amsterdam, where you can smoke what you like, and buy reasonably freely. Or the UK, where although cultivation and supply are illegal, but smoking it (although still theoretically illegal) doesn't prompt any police action.

There are medical MJ trials going on in the UK too. They are working on isolating the THC from weed to give in pill form rather than having people smoke it...

[R. Shackleferd]

I've read that a big factor in the illegalization of weed goes back to Dupont putting out and fronting propaganda in early 1900's against it because compared to it's nylon and cotton products, hemp products were more economical with higher profits. I've seen some of the old 'awareness ads', and they're pretty ridiculous! It was linked to uncontrollable sexual behavior of blacks (raping white women), and other nonsense and lies.

[Hammurabi]

It is harmful. Not in the same way as tobacco, but has been 'proven' to cause respiritory problems and has links to mental health issues.

I've never heard of pot causing mental illness, but then again I've never studied the medical effects of it at all. I think the main problem is that sucking burning crap through your lungs is never good for you.

I agree, pot is probably never going to be legal here.

[Akira]

I've never heard of pot causing mental illness, but then again I've never studied the medical effects of it at all.

Apparantly it can have some mental effect on teenagers, being as their brain is not fully developed or something.

[ren]

Apparantly it can have some mental effect on teenagers, being as their brain is not fully developed or something.

Current belief is that it can accelerate conditions like schizophrenia, I'm not sure if they think it can cause it, but it seems to help it along...

From my perspective, as a reasonably long term smoker, I do find I spend more time in extremes of emotion - either really happy or really down, rather than just rolling along in the middle like I probably should.

I'll never know if it's the weed or my personality! :D I am working on it though....

[Leedogg]

I've read that a big factor in the illegalization of weed goes back to Dupont putting out and fronting propaganda in early 1900's against it because compared to it's nylon and cotton products, hemp products were more economical with higher profits. I've seen some of the old 'awareness ads', and they're pretty ridiculous! It was linked to uncontrollable sexual behavior of blacks (raping white women), and other nonsense and lies.


That movie was called Reefer Madness. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028346/)

[iiholly]

Well, I'd rather be taxed for weed then paying drug lords personally. Plus, legalizing marijuana would drop that crime rate. I mean if everyone is sitting around bug eyed what reason do that have to go shoot a person. Also, it would pretty much put an end to drug dealing.

[ren]

How's it going to end drug dealing? Someone will still have to sell it. If it gets legalised and taxed, the government will control who sells it (the dealers) - and there will probably still be a black market. If it's being taxed, they'd also still prosecute you for cultivation (and therefore tax evasion) - so no 'grow your own'...

You may be right on crime, but then it's likely teenagers would smoke so much they couldn't be in school or hold down a job, so would end up stealing to pay the bills... :confused:

It will never be legalised - it's not even legal in Amsterdam, the police just ignore it...

[iiholly]

It wouldn't end the black market, but it sure would help to shrink it. Plus, most kids who want to smoke pot will.

There should be an age limit on it. No doubt. Its just like drinking. Once you get old enough, you should be able decide what you do with your own body.

[aschleman]

I've read that a big factor in the illegalization of weed goes back to Dupont putting out and fronting propaganda in early 1900's against it because compared to it's nylon and cotton products, hemp products were more economical with higher profits. I've seen some of the old 'awareness ads', and they're pretty ridiculous! It was linked to uncontrollable sexual behavior of blacks (raping white women), and other nonsense and lies.

I wouldn't doubt it... I work for DuPont... and they do some crazy stuff when it comes to politics. Like funding politicians just so they get elected to keep some of their products legal... or keeping them from being controlled by the EPA...


As for marijuana... It's "mental" effects come from it's known history of being a depressent. However, people have varied effects after smoking marijuana... some experience it as a halucinagenic some experience a "high"... some get depressed and some just get the munchies with no altered state of mind. This varied range of effects is one factor of its illegalization... Weed is also known as THE gateway drug. More than half of all people who smoke weed are lead into other more dangerous drugs like cocain and heroin. It's not illegal because it can harm you... A lethal dose of marijuana is equal to almost 6,000 joints (not fatties, just regular J's). The thought process behind the illegalization of marijuana isn't that its terribly bad for you and that if you smoke it you will die... it's to deter the use of other drugs. They control the use of other drugs by offering up consequences for the use of less lethal drugs... in all actuallity... cigarettes will kill you before weed does... and driving under the influence of alcohol is more dangerous than driving while high (obviously not when you're ripped out of your mind and can't keep your eyes open). So I can see both sides of the argument... I believe that if weed is illegal then there should be some kind of program to keep cigarette companies from putting known carcinogens and other highly toxic chemicals inside cigarettes. If weed were legalized there will just be some other drug that will come along and takes it place. I would rather it just stay the way it is. It's not like its hard to get away with it... and if just one pothead out of ten stops smoking it becuase he/she gets caught... then the judicial system has done its job. The government knows it's not going to catch everyone... and they know that some people aren't going to stop. But the purpose of consequence is to allow an oppertunity to change. Like I said, weed will never be legalized...

BTW... shrooms are legal in up to an ounce of total volume (atleast in Indiana)... any more and you're hit with an "intent to deal" charge along with the standard possesion of a controlled substance charge.

[HDJ]

1. I think the only reason it's illegal is b/c the government is actually making more money by it being illegal.....arrest someone, they have to post bail...

2. Pot does lead to depression and almost a bipolar kind of thing. Heavy smokers are either in a great mood or a really bad mood, hardly ever in the middle.

3. They say pot leads to harder drugs, one reason it's illegal....Why not make alcohol illegal? It leads to smoking pot...

4. Think about this.......someone driving drunk is all over the road, running stop signs, etc......someone high on pot is driving 10 miles under the speed limit, and will sit at a stop sign 5 times longer than usual looking both ways 10 times before going through it.

5. It should be legalized with an age limit like alcohol, 21.....Same restrictions should apply also, no driving under the influence, etc.....

[iiholly]

Well I'm not going to start believing in abortion, because its never going to be made illegal. And I'm not going to start beliving marijuana shouldn't be legalized, because it never will.

It never will be legalized, is not an arguement, because essentially it has nothing to do with the content of why or why not marijuana shouldn't be legalized.

[Dr_simon]

Well it was decriminalizes in the UK !!!

[aschleman]

You can't really compare our (American) society with many other on this planet... truth betold... The crime rate (Murder, Rape, Theft, etc...) per-capita in America when compared to Amersterdam is considerably larger... I believe that our government should address those issues before catering to the hippies who already smoke weed on a daily basis... It's not really a big deal... just don't get caught with it. In perspective there are bigger problems in the world than whether or not you can walk down the street and smoke a joint in front of a police officer...

[iamthe_eggman]

Plus, legalizing marijuana would drop that crime rate. I mean if everyone is sitting around bug eyed what reason do that have to go shoot a person. Also, it would pretty much put an end to drug dealing.


I don't usually weigh in on issues like this, but I've heard people throw that argument around, and it is one of the weakest arguments possible. No offense to Holly, this is just directed towards potheads in general.

OK, sure, legalizing marijuana will reduce the crime rate. While we're at it, why not legalize murder? Armed robbery? Drunk driving? Yeah, our crime rate's dropping like a lead weight! Anything else we can decriminalize? :confused:

Truth is, the only people advocating the decriminalization of marijuana are users themselves, and I have yet to hear one articulate argument supporting it. I'm not saying that there's a correlation between these two facts; just it makes me wonder.

[AIC]

We learnt some about this subject at biology class some years ago and as far as I remember, regular dozes of Marijuana is believed to decrease your learning ability by far. Secondly this drug is highly addictive and the need for a rush can sometimes lead to the use of far worse drugs (heroine, speed and whatever).

There are some other factors like the possibility of a psykosis (not sure how to spell that) but I cannot remember all the details.

Cheers

[Hammurabi]

OK, sure, legalizing marijuana will reduce the crime rate. While we're at it, why not legalize murder? Armed robbery? Drunk driving? Yeah, our crime rate's dropping like a lead weight! Anything else we can decriminalize? :confused:

Smoking pot doesn't hurt anyone except arguably the person doing it. Murder, armed robbery, and drunk driving harms other people.

Truth is, the only people advocating the decriminalization of marijuana are users themselves,

That's pretty far from the truth. I think pot should be legal and I've never used it.

and I have yet to hear one articulate argument supporting it.

I have yet to hear one good argument why it should be any less legal than tobacco or alcohol.

[iamthe_eggman]

Hmph... didn't want to get dragged in, but I feel that I should explain myself...

Smoking pot doesn't hurt anyone except arguably the person doing it. Murder, armed robbery, and drunk driving harms other people.

Those examples are only used to show that we're dealing with a complex situation here, and we're aiming at something more than a simple "drop in the crime rate". If that's the only benefit-- well, at least the actuaries will be happy.


That's pretty far from the truth. I think pot should be legal and I've never used it.

Well, I guess I should have said that "the only people (I've heard) advocating the decriminalization of marijuana are users themselves". A little more accurate that way, especially with your opinion now added to the mix.


I have yet to hear one good argument why it should be any less legal than tobacco or alcohol.

Sorry, not my dept.

[quickfingers]

well, i think the real reason pot was first banned was becasue of the large number of mexican immigrants who grew/smoked/sold it, and the US was basically pecking at reasons to get them the **** back across the border. but all political reasons aside, pot is a loser fertalizer. yea, i get bitched at alot for preaching that, because thats not always the case. i know some of my friends parents who are very responsible, good citizens, if you will, who smoke pot and make lots of cupcakes. but ive seen all the messed up people who dont have a clue of what moderation is, or what a life is, or what goals are. for instance...i smoke weed every once in a while, and i would have no problem not smoking again. its fun, but not that big of a deal. my little brother is a goddamned loser becasue of shti like that, and hes 14. he has like 20 lighters, his room smells like ****, theres cracked out kids that come to my house and threaten to kill me with knives, and they probably would steal my guitars if i didnt lock my room. i wouldnt vote for legalization because the majority of people that would smoke it dont know how to control substances like that. plus, who the **** cares. its easy as hell to get weed, and you never get caught unless youre buying from wiggers.

[iiholly]

Bah, whats the point in arguing. Pot is good, pot heads are bad. What can I say?

[Cryptic Excretions]

I don't do drugs and that is as much as I care to delve into this topic.

[SPL]

Here's my take on it, coming from someone who's never even tried marijuana:

Alcohol, by far, is the cause of more deaths per year than all other drugs combined. Yet, alcohol is a drug that is totally socially acceptable and readily available on practically every other street corner for everyone over the age of twenty-one (and by underhanded means, alot of kids under the age of twenty-one). On the other hand, there are no reported cases of anyone dying directly from the use of marijuana, but the drug is illegal almost everywhere in the western world. The risks that accompany the use of alcohol have been proven by scientists and its victims, while any solid proof on the adverse effects of the use of marijuana basically remains uncertain.

It can be safely assumed, though, that the health risks with marijuana are far less severe than they are with alcohol. Keep in mind that I do not, in any way, want to endorse the use of any type of drugs, but I do want to point out the pointlessness of keeping marijuana illegal while a drug of much higher risk like alcohol remains so readily available and keeps making victims every single day.

A good reason for bringing marijuana out of its illegality is that it would enable law enforcement resources to focus more on serious and violent crime. In the past decade, more than five million Americans have been arrested for marijuana offenses. In almost 90 percent of the cases the arrests were made for simple possession, not trafficking or sale. If marijuana were to be made legal, it should be strictly regulated by amount and minimum age just like with alcohol. Along with that, problematic use of both alcohol and marijuana should be tackled. The way it is now, heavy abusers of alcohol can basically do as they please, they can form a danger to themselves and the people that surround them, plus they can unnecessarily become a financial load on society. Non-problematic marijuana users, on the other hand, are dealt with simply because the law says so, not because they cause problems or danger to themselves or society. As President Jimmy Carter said in a speech to congress in 1977, “Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear to me than in the laws against possession of marijuana in private for personal use…” I think he was on to something.

The main reason why the laws against marijuana still stand is because the drug is always accompanied by its myths, which are mainly spread by government through public service announcements and the like. Not only is there no scientific proof for most (if not all) of these myths, research results actually tend to imply exactly the opposite with most of them. One of the myths is that marijuana is a gateway drug that leads to hard drugs. While this might be true for some, statistics actually show the opposite. In the 1970’s, the use of marijuana became tolerated, not legal, in the Netherlands. Since that time, hard drug use has declined substantially. If marijuana actually is a gateway drug, the statistics would have shown an increase in hard drug (including alcohol) use, not a decrease. I believe that because marijuana was brought out of its illegal context in the Netherlands, and basically separated from the illegal milieu of hard drugs, the step to hard drugs is not made as quickly. Another myth is that marijuana is much more dangerous than tobacco, which is based on the assumption that marijuana is always smoked. Even if the myth were true, there are numerous other ways of using marijuana that are harmless, which cannot be said about alcohol.

Basically, marijuana is not as dangerous as it is made out to be and certainly not as dangerous as alcohol. With both alcohol and marijuana there are major concerns about the influence it has on someone’s ability to drive a vehicle. Thought the impairment on driving performance caused by marijuana is similar to that of alcohol, studies show that the actual hazard caused by marijuana is less than that of alcohol. The number of accidents caused by drivers who had only used marijuana are far lower than those caused by drivers who had only used alcohol. If you add to this the fact that marijuana can be a substitute for alcohol, as shown by studies from places where marijuana was decriminalized like in the Netherlands, legal marijuana might actually save lives.

Another factor is that marijuana is not nearly as destructive on the human body as alcohol can be. Some of the short-term effects of marijuana include faster heart-beat and pulse rate, temporarily impaired short-term memory, and panic reactions among naive users. Short-term effects of alcohol, on the other hand, can range from a feeling of increased self-confidence and loss of self-restraint to severe respiratory depression and even coma and death. As far a long-term effects go, marijuana can cause a decline in the respiratory system when it is smoked and psychological dependency can develop. Alcohol, in the long run, will affect all the major organs and create a physical dependency that can be very dangerous. Basically, the chemical balance of the body is changed completely and sudden cessation of the use of alcohol can be fatal without the correct treatment to go along with it.

Though I am not an advocate of the legalization of marijuana, the comparison between myths that support its illegal status and the facts that contradict them makes me wonder if it is actually worth it for law enforcement resources to spend so much time, energy, and tax-payer’s money on enforcing a law that might not be very useful. Compare that to a legal drug like alcohol, which has a much greater potential risk, and kills more people than all other drugs combined. Though all we can do is speculate and make assumptions about the effects it would have if marijuana were to be legalized, I believe it certainly would not worsen drug-related problems if the legalization was accompanied by strict regulations.


That got me an A in English 1. :cool: Feel free to comment.

[quickfingers]

very true. i think the reasons you pointed out are almost completely the case in my opinon, too. however, pot for many people is a lifestyle instead of a saturday night kindof thing. while many people drink every day, and yes, it does mess your insides up worse in the long run, marijuana just gets a very bad rep from the people who choose to use it. alcohol is such a stupid drug becusae people think they can get ****faced drunk and **** people with STD's and call it partying. i also hate when people who have a problem with drinking (or just dumbasses in general) who say that they dont do drugs. yea, just becasue the government doesnt forbid alcohol sales and consumption doesnt mean that its not a drug, **** dick. i dunno. im swayed on the opinion mainly because i know if it was legalized, wed have alot of 4:20 **** going on, and i hate 4:20 kids.

[R. Shackleferd]

however, pot for many people is a lifestyle instead of a saturday night kindof thing. while many people drink every day, and yes, it does mess your insides up worse in the long run, marijuana just gets a very bad rep from the people who choose to use it. alcohol is such a stupid drug becusae people think they can get ****faced drunk and **** people with STD's and call it partying. i also hate when people who have a problem with drinking (or just dumbasses in general) who say that they dont do drugs. yea, just becasue the government doesnt forbid alcohol sales and consumption doesnt mean that its not a drug, **** dick. i dunno. im swayed on the opinion mainly because i know if it was legalized, wed have alot of 4:20 **** going on, and i hate 4:20 kids.
This is just passing the blame to the substance. People just don't take responsiblilty for themselves as much anymore. People are losers with and without these drugs.

[crazywolf]

Here are a few good websites that I found doing research. http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4522&wtm_view=medical http://www.thecompassionclub.org/library/chinese.html http://members.tripod.com/~totaleuphoria/marijuana.html
We learnt some about this subject at biology class some years ago and as far as I remember, regular dozes of Marijuana is believed to decrease your learning ability by far. Secondly this drug is highly addictive and the need for a rush can sometimes lead to the use of far worse drugs (heroine, speed and whatever).
First of all, my learning ability has not decreased at all. My government class that I am taking is the first class where I have started studying, going to class, and taking tests all high. When I am in class, I can put almost 90% of my attention on the teacher, and about 90% attention into what I am studying. I have to say that I am doing so much better in this class than I have ever done in any of my other classes. I would say that my learning ability has dramatically increased because of regular doses of marijuana.
Secondly, marijuana is not physically addictive. It may be psychologically addictive if anything. There is nothing in marijuana that leads you to other drugs.
Current belief is that it can accelerate conditions like schizophrenia, I'm not sure if they think it can cause it, but it seems to help it along...
That's a little odd since smoking marijuana has been found to help people with schizophrenia and depression.

I could talk about this forever, but Ii think society and the government have brainwashed everyone into thinking pot is bad. There has not been a single recorded death by overdosing. Marijuana has been used by many different cultures for many years. It is still a big part of the Jamican culture. In general, the people who talk smack about pot are the people who do not use it. Try blazin for a week and see how your views on smoking tree change.

[Hammurabi]

There has not been a single recorded death by overdosing.

That's because nobody has ever tried smoking 6000 joints in one sitting.

[crazywolf]

That's because nobody has ever tried smoking 6000 joints in one sitting.
We'll see about that!!

[R. Shackleferd]

That's because nobody has ever tried smoking 6000 joints in one sitting.
Seriously, someone prolly has tried that but passed out or submitted to munching down, watching cartoons, or maybe just zoning out on the wall forgetting there's a lit joint and that they have a goal to reach (<<<the most likely).

Too much of anything will kill you. 6000 cups of coffee? Yep, heart attack I'm sure.

[Hammurabi]

Too much of anything will kill you. 6000 cups of coffee? Yep, heart attack I'm sure.

You would actually die of a caffeine overdose sometime in the early 3 digits. [/random trivia]

[Raskolnikov]

That's a little odd since smoking marijuana has been found to help people with schizophrenia and depression.
Well, while I can tell you that most of the pot smokers I know are fine, one guy I went to high school with was (last I heard of him) working to support his smoking habits. The last report I heard about him from my little brother was that he was carrying around an SKS with a modified sear (read: "AK-47") to protect his plants, was super-paranoid and scaring the crap out of a lot of people.

Now, this is a guy who used to be the class clown and this all happened after he'd decided to quit drinking and only smoke pot. So, obviously, it has differing effects on different people and quantity is a factor, too.



I could talk about this forever, but Ii think society and the government have brainwashed everyone into thinking pot is bad. There has not been a single recorded death by overdosing. Marijuana has been used by many different cultures for many years.
Actually, some British guy recently managed to do it. It took him like 20 years of smoking day in and day out to pull it off (ie: smoking more than the body can process, sort of like how an alcoholic gets up to a .4 over several days (and of course after years of building a tolerence)).



Personally, I'm on the fence about this issue. I can see a lot of the benefits to legalization, but I can also see a lot of problems and unintended complications to it, too.

That said, I think the "Medical Marijuana" debate is a farce; there's at least one variety (and I think others, as well) of THC pills that doctors can prescribe to patients. For most of the parties involved, it's nothing more than a [poorly] disguised play at general legalization and it bugs me that the activists involved aren't more honest about it.

[aschleman]

You would actually die of a caffeine overdose sometime in the early 3 digits. [/random trivia]

actually.... the LD (lethal dose) of coffee is 2,000 gallons (not sure on the metric conversion).... the LD50 (lethal dose among 50% test subjects) is 1,265 gallons. That's regular coffee though... The LD of expresso is only 126 gallons though. I am taking HazMat classes right night because I have to be a certified HazMat Technician for work... and my instructor actually used coffee as an example.

[Superhuman]

All the facts re marijuana pros & cons:

http://search.nature.com/search/?sp_a=sp1001702d&sp_sfvl_field=subject%7Cujournal&sp_t=results&sp_q_1=&sp_x_1=ujournal&sp_p_1=phrase&sp_q=marijuana

For those sceptics, it has definitely been proven to bring on schizophrenia, psychosis and anxiety attacks in those susceptible... it also does have medical benefits in the treatment of pain and parkinsons... booze causes dementia and dependence, I don't see why grass is demonised when half of the social problems would be solved due to the dampening of agression and general aversion towards anti-social behaviour... also... it would creaete an amazing form of revenue through taxes PLUS taking the cash out of criminal hands thereby stamping out dealer related shootings, robbery etc... check out the statistics on how society in Holland has benefited... the problem over there with drugs in general is that the port cities are among the largest in the world and are also unue nodal points to the rest of mainland Europe... hence the proliferation of smack, charlie, E, speed etc

[Raskolnikov]

check out the statistics on how society in Holland has benefited...
I'm skeptical anytime anybody wants to apply what works for a small, mostly homogenous nation to the United States who has half of The Netherlands' total population in just New York City.

[Hammurabi]

actually.... the LD (lethal dose) of coffee is 2,000 gallons (not sure on the metric conversion).... the LD50 (lethal dose among 50% test subjects) is 1,265 gallons. That's regular coffee though... The LD of expresso is only 126 gallons though. I am taking HazMat classes right night because I have to be a certified HazMat Technician for work... and my instructor actually used coffee as an example.

Then I was misinformed. I hate it when that happens.

On the plus side, that does explain how my friend who tried to kill himself with caffeine pills didn't succeed.

[aschleman]

Well coffee isn't pure caffeine... and it really probably wouldn't take too many caffiend pills to kill you. That sucks about your friend though. It all depends on the persons heart rate, body mass, and blood pressure though. I know someone who died of a cardiac arrest from taking Stacker pills before they took the Ephedra out of them. He collapsed on the baseball field and died right there and he only took 3 of them.

[Leedogg]

Well coffee isn't pure caffeine... and it really probably wouldn't take too many caffiend pills to kill you. That sucks about your friend though. It all depends on the persons heart rate, body mass, and blood pressure though. I know someone who died of a cardiac arrest from taking Stacker pills before they took the Ephedra out of them. He collapsed on the baseball field and died right there and he only took 3 of them.

We used to take these Ephedra pills back in college. They were called Yellow Jackets, and we'd use them for when were draggin' ass and needed energy to drink all night. I used to take them before class too, and one day I started to have an "adverse reaction" while sitting in class. I remember being really hot, and uncontrollably jittery, then my peripheral vision dropped away and I thought I was gonna faint. My heart was beating like a jackhammer. That was the last time I ever took those things, then they were made illegal a few years later.

[Akira]

Me and my friends once went to Paris for a weekend. We stayed awake for the whole 3 days and survived on nothing but Pro-plus and energy drinks.

Disney Land was scary...

[Pantallica1]

We used to take these Ephedra pills back in college. They were called Yellow Jackets, and we'd use them for when were draggin' ass and needed energy to drink all night. I used to take them before class too, and one day I started to have an "adverse reaction" while sitting in class. I remember being really hot, and uncontrollably jittery, then my peripheral vision dropped away and I thought I was gonna faint. My heart was beating like a jackhammer. That was the last time I ever took those things, then they were made illegal a few years later.

Ahh, yellow jackets. Man, we used to take them and drink like crazy. I once partied at a friends house, and we had partied the night before until like 3 in the morning. Well, I had to work at 8am until 6pm. Well, after work, I drove straight to his house and was like damn I'm not gonna make it tonight. He hadned me two yellow jackets, and I passed out for about a half hour. Woke up rejuvinated and drank a case of beer that night until I finally (and I mean finally) fell asleep at 6am. The bad part was, I wasn't even drunk from the beer. Just jittery and couldn't sleep. It was horrible. Never took them again.

[hunter60]

I had a good friend who was the King of All Partiers 'round here. We used to spend a lot of weekends dropping acid and eating speed like they were Flintstone chewables. I never thought that there was much of a physical or emotional toll to that sort of thing until the day I thought my heart was going to explode. I refused to go to the e/r for fear of the questions that would be asked. Well I survived but my friend ended up killing himself a few years later after a particularly nasty bender of alcohol and assorted chemicals.

I stopped doing anything stornger than the occassional beer or maybe an Advil or two since.

"Here's to you Butchie. I hope you're geeking a frosty or two and burning some herb wherever you might be, brother." :)

[Hammurabi]

Yellow jackets? Yeah, one could easily kill themselves with those. My friend just used no-doze or whatever the generic stuff is called these days.

[Lordathestrings]

I had a good friend who was the King of All Partiers 'round here. We used to spend a lot of weekends dropping acid and eating speed like they were Flintstone chewables... About 10 years ago, I was at work the day before a stretched weekend where I put in for a Friday and a Monday off. One of my co-workers asked if I was going back to Kingston to party with all my buddies from back in the day. I didn't even take the time to think about the implications, I just blurted out the truth -

"Nah, all but a few of 'em are dead, and there's nothin' left to say to them that are still alive." :(

[Leedogg]

"Nah, all but a few of 'em are dead, and there's nothin' left to say to them that are still alive." :(


Why does it seem like you'll be friends forever when you're young and partying all the time with the same group? I had dozens of really good friends in high school, and I only keep in touch with 2 of them. I had twice as many in college and I only talk to maybe 4 or 5 of them and I've only been out of college a little over a year. It's kinda sad really, paths cross and uncross through the passage of time.

[Lordathestrings]

A lot of the un-crossed paths I was referring to happened because the warning that "Speed Kills" has nothing to do with driving. My fear of needles kept me safe, but I watched a lot of people destroy themselves.

[Akira]

Why does it seem like you'll be friends forever when you're young and partying all the time with the same group? I had dozens of really good friends in high school, and I only keep in touch with 2 of them. I had twice as many in college and I only talk to maybe 4 or 5 of them and I've only been out of college a little over a year. It's kinda sad really, paths cross and uncross through the passage of time.

I'm learning that at the moment... :(

[x0o_BurnOut_o0x]

On the plus side, that does explain how my friend who tried to kill himself with caffeine pills didn't succeed.

Rofl, wow. Well, takeing caffeine pills really wont kill you unless its really hardcore, but it WILL give you a horrible horrible couple of hours and make you think your dying...please everyone dont be a dumbass like me.

About the pot thing, I dont have a problem with it being illegal. There is plenty available at any moment, you just dont get to walk down the road with a sign on you saying "Hey look im smoking a ****ing joint". I mean its probably better off staying illegal cause i know i dont want to see my 12 year old sister with a pound of weed passing it out to her friends.

Besides if it was legalized there prolly would be alot more **** out there. Not good pot, more people trying to sell people oregano or lacing it with bug spray and eventually there wouldnt be enough weed around anymore, because the wouldnt be able to grow enough to meet demands.

I say just carry on with the way we are doing it, its working, a ton of people can get access to it, but not so much access that little kids can be smoking it at recess.

[Hammurabi]

Rofl, wow. Well, takeing caffeine pills really wont kill you unless its really hardcore

Is two full boxes hardcore?

[Leedogg]

Caffeine and Ephedra are very different.

[crazywolf]

About the pot thing, I dont have a problem with it being illegal. There is plenty available at any moment, you just dont get to walk down the road with a sign on you saying "Hey look im smoking a ****ing joint". I mean its probably better off staying illegal cause i know i dont want to see my 12 year old sister with a pound of weed passing it out to her friends.

Besides if it was legalized there prolly would be alot more **** out there. Not good pot, more people trying to sell people oregano or lacing it with bug spray and eventually there wouldnt be enough weed around anymore, because the wouldnt be able to grow enough to meet demands.

I say just carry on with the way we are doing it, its working, a ton of people can get access to it, but not so much access that little kids can be smoking it at recess.
It may never be legal, but I think it would be pretty cool if it was decriminilized. I think there should be an age limit, probably 18, and no driving.

You know things are bad when you can get stronger drugs at a pharmacy than you can on the streets. With that said....
When I was a senior in HS, I was having a pretty rough week. At the time I wasn't smoking so I looked for the next best thing....Robitussen. Holy crap!!! I drank a 4 oz bottle before school and I was still a little tingly when I went to bed around 1 in the morning. I was trippin balls all day! I threw up 3 times before noon, but that didn't slow things down at all. That wan't the most I have ever been messed up, but it was pretty darn close. I would pass out in a class and just start seeing stuff. In my english class, I saw all these cardboard cutouts of dinosaurs moving really quick in front of me. I wouldn't recommend ever doing that. I will probably never do that again, but I have to say, it was the best $4 that I have spent in my entire life, and I didn't have a cough for about a week afterwards.

[SpeckledJim]

i havent read all of this thread because i cant be arsed. What i will say is that i dont really care if its leagalised or not. I live in Scotland and have been tokin for a while now and i have no problem with the law or supply. :D

[hunter60]

About 10 years ago, I was at work the day before a stretched weekend where I put in for a Friday and a Monday off. One of my co-workers asked if I was going back to Kingston to party with all my buddies from back in the day. I didn't even take the time to think about the implications, I just blurted out the truth -

"Nah, all but a few of 'em are dead, and there's nothin' left to say to them that are still alive." :(

I can understand that. It's a strange phenomenon, how cross and criss-cross each others lives but also how we all change as we go forward. Like you, a number of my friends are dead and the ones that remain, I have nothing in common with anymore.

My closest friend and I have been friends since the 8th grade so it is possible to hang on to the true friends you make as you go.

On the plus side, you're constantly meeting new people and forming new friends and relationships.

[The Ace]

One of you brought up the arguement that alcohol is legal, and therefore marijuana should be too. Did you know that there was a time (way, way, way back in the day) when alcohol was banned? To put it simply: it didn't work. I don't really know the details, but it was put up so people would seem more upstanding, chivalrous and sophisticated - instead it made them riot... (But we're talking like 18th/19th century I believe... don't know the exact dates...)

My mother actually told me once that she would rather me drive high than drive drunk - 'cuz if you're driving drunk you wanna go 75 MPH on a 30, while if you're high, you just wanna chill and coast on home (or trudge on home...)

[hunter60]

Ace-I am not sure about the 17th or 18th century alcohol ban you're speaking of, but let's not forget prohibition in this country in the twenties. It too failed miserably. And it was what really gave Organized Crime it's foothold. Capone and many others made their fortunes making and selling illegal hootch.

[crazywolf]

Genesis 1:29-31 29Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so. 31God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

1 Timothy 4:1-4 1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. 4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;

Not really sure if the second verse is refering to cannabis, but it sounds like a possibility to me. Marijuana has been illegal in the US for only 68 years. It has been used by many cultures around the world for about 5,000 years. Hemp, and specifically Cannabis sativa, is an amazing plant. It can be used for fuel, textile, food, and medicine, among other things. God created hemp for a reason. Who knows, maybe God did smoke cannabis.

[x0o_BurnOut_o0x]

When I was a senior in HS, I was having a pretty rough week. At the time I wasn't smoking so I looked for the next best thing....Robitussen. Holy crap!!! I drank a 4 oz bottle before school and I was still a little tingly when I went to bed around 1 in the morning. I was trippin balls all day! I threw up 3 times before noon, but that didn't slow things down at all. That wan't the most I have ever been messed up, but it was pretty darn close. I would pass out in a class and just start seeing stuff. In my english class, I saw all these cardboard cutouts of dinosaurs moving really quick in front of me. I wouldn't recommend ever doing that. I will probably never do that again, but I have to say, it was the best $4 that I have spent in my entire life, and I didn't have a cough for about a week afterwards..


ROFL!!!! Wtf made you think of Robitussen??? That stuff is so gross. I never take stuff to make me feel a kind of high sensation, it just always ends up being a mixture of curiosity and stupidity.

[crazywolf]

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ROFL!!!! Wtf made you think of Robitussen??? That stuff is so gross. I never take stuff to make me feel a kind of high sensation, it just always ends up being a mixture of curiosity and stupidity.
Man, don't knock it till you have tried. I was trippin balls for about 12 hours!!

[Leedogg]

I knew kids back in school that'd do that too. We called it Robo-tripping, I forget the name of the active ingredient that acts like a hallucinogen, but I doubt it's very safe...

[Hammurabi]

The hal. is Dextromethorphan (http://www.third-plateau.org/faq/dxm_faq.shtml) (DXM).

Word of warning- don't ever chug cough syrup with acetaminophen/paracetamol in it

[aschleman]

Oh man, I forgot about DXM! It's not sold in stores in Indiana anymore... but you use to be able to buy it in a powder for that was almost pure DXM. People would mix a small amount in orange juice or something else and it was basically cough syrup that tasted better than robatussin. A few of my friends would do it on the weekends... I wouldn't because I was never into "chemicals". I would go hang out with them and just video tape all the stupid stuff they would do and make them do stupid stuff. They would mix about a half cup of the DXM and a cup and a half of orange juice and then chug it. They would throw up continuosly for about 20 minutes... then... they would trip for about 12-20 hours. Popular things that they would do is think that they're firemen and that everything is on fire... or think that their feet are stuck to the floor... or their hands get stuck to their face. One time one of them got onto the couch and started jumping up and down singing "10 little monkeys jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, momma called the doctor and the doctor said... no more monkeys jumping on the bed!!!!" he did that for about 4 hours straigh..... and I'm not lying. haha... ah. good times. I will have to try and dig out those old videos and see if I can't get them on my computer so I can post them. haha...

[Leedogg]

I will have to try and dig out those old videos and see if I can't get them on my computer so I can post them. haha...

Now that would be some first class entertainment :D