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PonyOne
07-18-2005, 05:05 PM
Okay guys,

the Mrs. and I are splitting after 6 years (we've been together since we were 15, which is a damned long time especially at this age... almost a quarter of our lives). We started over in Boston and have somehow ended up 2000-something miles away in Los Angeles. I'm a travellin' man; I've lived all over the States, and the longest I've ever lived in one house/apt is 3 years.

I feel like making a change again soon. I'm not really sure why, it just seems to be pat of me, it's in my blood. I keep my books, drawing supplies etc all in neat little piles or in bags or boxes like I'm about to move... force of habit, I suppose. I never have bothered buying a big sound system or TV, for the same reason... basically if it's too big to throw in the trunk of my Jetta (Bora in the UK) I'd really rather not have it.

I went to the UK about nine years ago; almost half my life, again, since I'm still young... but I've never forgotten how much I loved the place. We stayed in London, Salisbury, Oxford, Stratford and Warwick and tooled around the country a bit. Everyone was nice, the entire country was nice... just a cool place. We didn't do as much of the tourist crap as other people do; it was my dad and I and some of his coworkers and students, and so we went to Stonehenge and some castles and the Avesbury Rings and all the crap you're obligated to do, but, my dad also would turn me loose on whatever town or city we were in to go have fun and explore.

A group of Scottish kids staying at the hostel taught me how to play rugby (they were on some team and were visiting Stratford for a match there), I exchanged regional profanity with a group of kids in London, I got tailed by a group of young football hooligans in Salisbury until I asked them why they were following me and they found out I was american, and then we got drunk together. My dad and I went to pubs and got tipsy (great bonding experience, I must say), there was so much cool crap... I was sadder than hell when we left.

I've always wnated to return; an enthusiasm my gf has never shared. She's the type of person who would rather visit a small, tropical country in south or cnetral america (she's been to Belize three times and Honduras and Guatemala 2 times) and be in awe of the amazing cultures that existed there, which is fine, and I wouldn't mind doing it myself. It wasn't that she never wanted to visit Europe, just that if the topic of vacations ever came up, she wanted to take me to Belize to show me how awesome it was.

Well, now I guess I have the self determination to go there, so, I'm thinking that after the fall semester ends I may go ahead and take a trip there. I also have been looking into crap on working and student visas recently, and found that they have a new category for "low skilled migrant workers" (ouch, that hurts... :( ) whereas it used to only be "high skilled migrant workers" i.e. people with a master's degree or above with above average grades. One of the categories in the low skilled migrant worker category is the Hospitality business, of which I am currently in. SCORE!!!! So when I go back to school, alongside the music courses, I'm gonig to take hospitality management to better plead my case.

The visa is only 12 months but the employer can extend it if you prove exemplary performance, which seems like a good deal. I can also apply for a student visa and take some courses there. This would all be at least two years off anyway; I need to pay down my car a bit and save up for the move, which is by no accounts cheap.

So these are some questions I have been mulling over that I was hoping some of you guys over there could help with.

1. VEGETARIAN FOODS/FAKE MEAT. When I was in the UK, I think that everything but the Coke had either beef, lamb or pork in it. I know that in the last 10 years there has been a big upsurgence in vegetarianism worldwide, leading to more readily available foods. Particularly, in the US we have veggie burgers, fake meat, etc. A lot of the stuff I cook I use fake meat. Wouldn't be that big a deal to not have it in my diet but it wouldn't hurt to have it there.

2. MEXICAN FOOD. I gathered from another thread here this is not very common in the UK. Just to reiterate, is this true? If so I'm going to waste lots and lots of $$$ buying stuff from mexgrocer.com

3. AMERICAN SENTIMENT. Most of the British people I meet here have no issue with the US whatsoever but then they also are travelling here. When I was in the UK, people seemed very interested in talking to my dad and I and asking about the US everywhere we went (at some points, like in line at a Burger King in Stratford, it was almost annoying), so I have always been under the impression that things are okay. But then I've spoken to increasing numbers of Americans who have travelled there who said they got treated poorly sometimes because of their nationality, and a few of the Germans who work at my hotel also said that when they worked in the UK there was a good deal of anti-US sentiment. Not that this would really stop me, but, I wanted to know how true it was.

4. PETS. Are parrots reasonably common in the UK? Because if I go, even if it's just for a year, my pet parrot Theo is comin' too. I want to make sure vets specialising in parrots are reasonably common.

5. CARS. Ideally, if I end up there for more than a year I'd like to ship out my Jetta; thankfully the UK is pretty lax on vehicle imports, unlike the US, where it's borderline impossible to ship over a foreign car. But, if that doesn't happen, I'll probably end up buying either a motorcycle or a small car of some sort; even if I'm in London I want to be able to check out the rest of the UK. I see ads for cars that say that "MOT" needs to be payed, and I gather that this is a bigger issue with older cars (which is what I'll probably get; I'm not forking over 10,000 pounds for a car i'll have to leave behind). What exactly is this, and in the US we have sites like cars.com and autotrader.com, is there something sililar in the UK where i can put in a postcode and go searching so I can get an idea for how much cars are going for?

6. APARTMENTS. Kind of like above, are there some websites out there that are good for finding a place to crash while I'm there? I'm thinking either London or Stratford, probably.

7. AMPS. I can bring over my guitar(s), but, it's kind of pointless to spend money shipping over my JC120 when the plug on it doesn't even work. How much are Vox's and AC30's over there?

thanks guys. and maybe we can get together while i'm there and hang out for a while, that'd be cool.

Akira
07-18-2005, 05:22 PM
1. VEGETARIAN FOODS/FAKE MEAT. When I was in the UK, I think that everything but the Coke had either beef, lamb or pork in it. I know that in the last 10 years there has been a big upsurgence in vegetarianism worldwide, leading to more readily available foods. Particularly, in the US we have veggie burgers, fake meat, etc. A lot of the stuff I cook I use fake meat. Wouldn't be that big a deal to not have it in my diet but it wouldn't hurt to have it there.

2. MEXICAN FOOD. I gathered from another thread here this is not very common in the UK. Just to reiterate, is this true? If so I'm going to waste lots and lots of $$$ buying stuff from mexgrocer.com

3. AMERICAN SENTIMENT. Most of the British people I meet here have no issue with the US whatsoever but then they also are travelling here. When I was in the UK, people seemed very interested in talking to my dad and I and asking about the US everywhere we went (at some points, like in line at a Burger King in Stratford, it was almost annoying), so I have always been under the impression that things are okay. But then I've spoken to increasing numbers of Americans who have travelled there who said they got treated poorly sometimes because of their nationality, and a few of the Germans who work at my hotel also said that when they worked in the UK there was a good deal of anti-US sentiment. Not that this would really stop me, but, I wanted to know how true it was.

4. PETS. Are parrots reasonably common in the UK? Because if I go, even if it's just for a year, my pet parrot Theo is comin' too. I want to make sure vets specialising in parrots are reasonably common.

5. CARS. Ideally, if I end up there for more than a year I'd like to ship out my Jetta; thankfully the UK is pretty lax on vehicle imports, unlike the US, where it's borderline impossible to ship over a foreign car. But, if that doesn't happen, I'll probably end up buying either a motorcycle or a small car of some sort; even if I'm in London I want to be able to check out the rest of the UK. I see ads for cars that say that "MOT" needs to be payed, and I gather that this is a bigger issue with older cars (which is what I'll probably get; I'm not forking over 10,000 pounds for a car i'll have to leave behind). What exactly is this, and in the US we have sites like cars.com and autotrader.com, is there something sililar in the UK where i can put in a postcode and go searching so I can get an idea for how much cars are going for?

6. APARTMENTS. Kind of like above, are there some websites out there that are good for finding a place to crash while I'm there? I'm thinking either London or Stratford, probably.

7. AMPS. I can bring over my guitar(s), but, it's kind of pointless to spend money shipping over my JC120 when the plug on it doesn't even work. How much are Vox's and AC30's over there?

thanks guys. and maybe we can get together while i'm there and hang out for a while, that'd be cool.

1. Although i'm not a vegetarian myself, I have quite a few friends who are, so I would gather that there is substancial selection of vegetarian food available in the U.K.

2. I haven't seem many stores dedicated to on the spot fresh mexican food, although you can buy it pre-packaged.

3. Stay away from most of the north of the country and you'll be fine I should think. Newquay (and most areas around there), in Cornwall is a very friendly place, I went there once on holiday for a week, I loved it, the social environment was awesome. Of course I lack first hand experience of ALOT of places in the U.K., but what i can say is don't go to Grimsby, Hull, or Cleethorpes. EVER.

4. Hmm, I wouldn't see why not. There's the U.K's only Parrot Sanctuary somewhere in my county. I think there are bound to be vets that can help you and your parrot.

5. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/ :p

6. Not too sure on that one, might be worth doing a google.co.uk search.

7. From what i've gathered, expensive. You could always import your stuff over here and spend £5 on a plug converter.

I hope that helps out in some way or another.

Dr_simon
07-18-2005, 06:50 PM
Hey Pony, sorry to here about you and the missis. Life goes on mate !!

1. VEGETARIAN FOODS/FAKE MEAT.
Easy, I was a vegetarian for 5 years or so. You just have to ask or read the label if you are not sure.

2. MEXICAN FOOD. Authentic will be hard but TexMex is everywhere, there are two or three national chains I can think of. Personally I don't think they are brilliant but hey, why not diversify especially if you are in London, you can get really authentic food from all over the world. Check out Brick Lane in London for Indian (and Kahns http://www.khansrestaurant.com/mainpage.php) just fantastic !!

3. AMERICAN SENTIMENT. Don't wax lyrical about how wonderful GWB is and you will be OK !!

4. PETS. This will be difficult as you may have to go through a period of 6 months quarantine. Id have a scoot round the internet to find out more.

5. CARS.You may end up having to pay import duty and VAT so this could also be a problem. I think like the pet issue you will be able to find out what you need to know from the British Governments web site

6. APARTMENTS will be expensive. The UK housing market has gone through the roof in the last 4 years. Also keep an eye on exchange rates they have dipped as low as two bucks to the pound recently. this make trips to the UK payed for with dollars very expensive. Apartments can be found in estate agents (realtors) offices or in the back of local papers.

7. AMPS. Bring guitars but not amps. UK wall voltage is 240 V at 13 amps cycling at 50 Hz so unless a bit of kit says it is rated for that input, don't plug it in, even with an adapter !! In most cases you will need a step up transformer not a wall plug adapter.

8. Cell phones, get an orange phone that does pay as you talk, they are relatively cheep and very useful !!

9. UK pints are bigger than US pints...8 pints is a night out !!

Any thing I can do to help just let me know !!

Grambo
07-18-2005, 07:35 PM
Hi Pony, sorry to hear about the Chic - plenty more fish...........
I would be a Vegetarian if it was easier, but Britain is not that well geared up for it - too much money in meat.
The British weather is changing - we're experiencing milder wetter winters and hotter Summers: the latest is - that melting polar icecaps will incease freshwater in the sea altering the Gulf stream - making the UK a lot colder !!
If your lookng for work I would head for the Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch area, there's stacks of hotels and they enjoy the best weather in the country.
The biggest guitar gear shops seem to be in Essex.
On rainy days I play guitar

PonyOne
07-18-2005, 09:03 PM
thanks for all the info guys...

i'm actually a huge fan of indian food and would love to try some of the UK restaurants since you have a huge indian population. the chinese there was pretty damn good, IIRC.

i'm kind of bummed about the pet thing.... it wouldn't make sense to go through six months of separation if i was only there for a year (i'd heard it was a month). i wonder if there's a way you can have a vet sign off or something, i'll have to check.

i'll look at everything you guys suggested and post back if i think of any new stuff.

PonyOne
07-18-2005, 10:01 PM
Oh, Doc, I was looking online and found this page http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/quarantine/pets/index.htm it looks like the US was added to a list of contries that allow pets to travel freely, and birds are one of the animals that are okayed. It looks like from LA they only allow helper animals, but, I can travel from Boston (where my parents are anyway) to the UK with him on British Airways. I'd need to figure out where on the plane; I'd be wary of him being in the cargo hold (i wouldn't want him to freeze), but I could probably figure something else.

Worst comes to worst I can cruise from New York on a Cunard ship :D

Cryptic Excretions
07-18-2005, 10:32 PM
Well, I don't know anything about travelling, vegetarianism, UK, shipping, dating/breaking up, or anything else you mentioned so the best I can do is offer my condolences. I guess from what I've apparantly recently learned, Mountain Dew isn't abundant over there, so stash up if that's your thing.

PonyOne
07-18-2005, 10:50 PM
Well, I don't know anything about travelling, vegetarianism, UK, shipping, dating/breaking up, or anything else you mentioned so the best I can do is offer my condolences. I guess from what I've apparantly recently learned, Mountain Dew isn't abundant over there, so stash up if that's your thing.
the last time i had mountain doo i got a headache and thought i was going to vomit, pass out face down in it, and die like Hendrix.

the loss of Venice Beach will probably be enough.

6strngs_2hmbkrs
07-19-2005, 12:32 AM
I don't live in England, so, I can't really answer any of your questions. but, I do want to say that I'm sorry to hear about you and your girl. after 6 years you must've been pretty darn attached to her by then. I'm very sorry to hear that.

hunter60
07-19-2005, 08:41 PM
Sorry to hear about your breakup. I can relate. Divorced after a six year marriage. I'll tell you what a good friend told me, it will all come together and make perfect sense in time. He said that it could take up to five years to feel 100% again and I scoffed (like you are, I'm sure) but he was right. It did take me about 5 years to feel like my old self. It takes a lot out of you. It really does. The only advice I would offer is this; don't forget to allow yourself an opportunity to grieve over it. You'll feel better in the long run.

I hope you manage to get to the UK. Sometimes, a change of scenery is just what the good doctor recommends.

sigment frued
07-19-2005, 09:23 PM
since you were 15!!
jesus really makes you think.......
im 16 and have been going out with my girl for a almost a year now (august 15th is the annerversery ooo teenagers in love eehh!!)
london,london,london!!!! it's a pretty big place if you narrow it down tell me were you were in london and i'll see if i was any close to you.
sailsbury was the name of my school in london, but i only went there for a year.regardless you really have lived out your life and have done alot of things that people have not and will not ever experience in there lifetime so your pretty lucky in that aspect (but then the girl thing cancels that out, sorry about that)

as soon as i finish school me and a couple of friends might travel down to morroco and the east coast of america (when you live in london alot of your life it becomes pretty ****) and i hope to experience even half of what you have.

PonyOne
07-19-2005, 11:03 PM
hunter,

believe me, it's good to know there are people out there that understand; i know there are lots, and i feel like i got off easy; we can still talk, we're still okay in eachothers' presence. it's scary on the one hand, and on the other, it's kind of exciting. i don't know.

i guess part of the problem i have is that things did go on for so long that the person i was when we started dating way back in 1999 is so far from who i am now... i was just a kid. so i don't really know if i'll ever actually go back to who i was, or even if that'd be a good thing... i'm a way more evenhanded person than i was then; i managed to wrangle my teenage angst down, and even when i got the news about all this, i tried to stay as cool about it as i could. granted at first this wasn't easy by a long shot; yeah, there was yelling. i chucked a coke bottle into a concrete wall so hard it blew up. but after that little outburst i cooled myself down and i've been mostly cool since.

sigmund,

being a teenager in love is actually a good thing. the only advice i can hand down to you is that no matter what horrible things may or may not happen, the most important thing to remember is that you do have your whole life in front of you. i remember one of the things that pissed me off more than anything was when i was a teenager and a girl jilted me, and people around me would be like "oh, you're just kids." like when you're young you don't get hurt. so ride that wave of love as long as you can, and if it ever stops, then just be happy for the experience you had.

when i was in London, i stayed at a hostel near St. Paul's Cathedral; i don't know what that area would be considered? i walked a whole load of London.... this is a chronic thing to me, i will walk aimlessly if unchecked. as soon as my g/f leaves for Boston on August 3rd, i'll probably do a lot more of it... my friend Owen and i used to walk from one end of Boston to the other just because we didn't have anything better to do.

i specifically being in Soho, Chinatown, Picadilly Circus, Trafalger Square and that whole area; IIRC it's all fairly close, right? We also walked the area around king's cross, from St. Paul's to the Tower of London, and up and down the thames for about 2 or so hours on both sides. walking is probably the best way to experience cities IMHO, since you have the opportnity to stop into shops, etc.

i've had some cool experiences but don't worry, it won't be hard to have as many travels as me. I've travelled across the US 4 times by car and it's a lot of fun; i recommend the experience to any who can manage it. Route 66 is pretty cool. My friend Owen and I are actually planning on doing a big road trip/photojournal either this winter or the fall after next through the southwest and up Route 66 to Chicago and doing a big photojournal of abandoned architecture and buildings; lots of cool stuff like that on Route 66, and lots more on the outskirts of Chicago.

ren
07-20-2005, 02:15 AM
I live in the UK, and want to go the other way.... Spent a month in CA not long ago, and enjoyed life far more there.

Thing is, it's near on impossible to get in without investing $1million in something as far as I can tell.... argh!

Everything in London is relatively close with tubes everywhere, and I've been vegetarian for all 28 years of my life, and I ain't starved yet - I'm sure you'll be fine... Remember the summer only lasts for 3 days here though :D

6strngs_2hmbkrs
07-20-2005, 02:44 AM
I live in the UK, and want to go the other way.... Spent a month in CA not long ago, and enjoyed life far more there.

Thing is, it's near on impossible to get in without investing $1million in something as far as I can tell.... argh!
what part of CA were you in? and by investing $1 million, do you mean getting a house? cause not all houses here are a million dollars... maybe in hollywood/LA area... but up here in the san fransisco bay area, you could probably get one in the $400,000-$500,000 price range.

ren
07-20-2005, 02:57 AM
what part of CA were you in? and by investing $1 million, do you mean getting a house? cause not all houses here are a million dollars... maybe in hollywood/LA area... but up here in the san fransisco bay area, you could probably get one in the $400,000-$500,000 price range.

Sorry - this is gonna head a bit off topic...

I was in a town called Laguna Beach - very nice, laid back. The houses there are very expensive, but the $1m reference was that I've been trying to figure out how I can come live in the US - hate the UK weather.

The lottery is unlikely, but also not open to UK residents, I don't have any relatives - don't know an american woman I could blag into marrying me (and my missus of 8 years probably wouldn't be impressed anyway), and I work freelance so have no employer to sponsor me.

The only route I could see was the 'economic migrant' move, which involves investing $1m in a company in the US from what I can see. To be honest, I may not fully understand this, so advice appreciated if any of you know - Maybe Doc Simon can help, having made the move some time ago?

I hate the fact it can snow in summer, and that we only get a week tops of decent weather per year....

Akira
07-20-2005, 03:22 AM
I hate the fact it can snow in summer, and that we only get a week tops of decent weather per year....

Seems like that week went by earlier this month. Damn.

PonyOne
07-20-2005, 06:30 PM
socal's real estate market is a bubble; mark my words, it's going to pop. when houses in Compton that are falling apart are marketed as "starter homes" and cost $600,000, there is no way things will stay the same.

everyone and their mom have tried the real estate market here... some people have made money... but all these retards who are spending three quarters of a million on a one bedroom condo in Santa Monica are going to bawling their eyes out the next time there's an earthquake and the value of the place plummets; the value will be back down to what it's worth, and they're still going to have $900,000 left on their loan... oh well, 10 years down the line maybe inflation will catch up to it.

laguna beach is gorgeous, and the people there are pretty nice as well. it's got a lot of retirees and older folks, so the nightlife isn't as good as it is in my area but that's not to say it isn't a beautiful place. i worked with a guy who had a home there overlooking the beach... he bought it in the 70's for around $100k :eek: and when he got it appraised it was well in excess of a million. lucky guy...

you may want to look at a site like www.workpermit.com, they have a US section. there are plenty of ways to get into the US, especially if you come from a country like the UK (we have many more issues with people immigrating from Latin America than we do Europe or Asia).

sigment frued
07-21-2005, 06:27 PM
first of all thanks for the advice,

secondly i know soho pretty well and kings cross( had a few bad experences there) but still i love it!! in chinatown doou know where the mcdonalds is there? cause there a pub called the tucan bar there a i got my first pint in there when i was 11!!!

if you have any pointers around america when i go traveling there that would be of help cause i really want to do this!!!
hahhahah