SCREAMO music

[SoulDistortion]

I'm sick of hearing of people that listen to 'as I lay dying', and all those bands that claim to be producing music but just scream to cover up for their lack of vocal talent. If you don't agree with my watch this flash video to put in perspective how dumb this "music" is. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/flash/growl.html

[Akira]

Hate to dissapoint you, but the music for that vid in that link isn't screamo.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Also hate to argue, but to say that a screamer isn't talented is like saying a painter that uses water color isn't talented. It's what you do with what you have and yes there is a skill to singing, screaming and growling. To be able to continually do such a strenous style on your vocal chords without causing severe damage takes a lot of breathing exercises and practice. It can take a lot out of you to keep doing so, so imagine the live performances where they have to perform song after song like that. It's not always easy and takes as much dedication as any other craft. That being said, I don't like as I lay dying.

Editor's note: I hadn't initially seen the video when I posted this. This is after I watched it and that music is so completely far away from screamo dude. In my opinion, that music grabs screamo by the balls and rips them right off... and in some cases even eats them and/or the person they were originally attached to. That being said, I'd be lying if I didn't laugh my ass off at the video. Generalized, but who cares. Funny concept. Or maybe I liked it because I liked the song... who knows. I approve.

[aschleman]

I'm not a fan of any type of music that I can't atleast tell what they are saying...However, I respect every band/group/singer as an artist. Art is something people do to be individuals and not to be like everyone else. The people that really bug me are the ones that make records just to sell them... Example... Hillary Duff and Lindsey Lohan. I don't like that kind of music but other people do. That's fine by me. I do know one thing... Cyptic is right, I tried to scream/growl lyrics one time, you know, just messing around... and I could barely talk the next day. I have respect for anyone that can create something from nothing, no matter the quality or style...

[Leedogg]

That video was hilarious. Why didn't I think of something like that. It's not my style of music, but think about how disappointing it would be if we took the entire spectrum of music and only focused on one little bit and made everyone like it.

I kind of like having music that I feel is my own. Aside from you guys, most people don't know who Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie, Eric Johnson, Petrucci, etc are. I like it that way.

[Jolly McJollyson]

I'm sick of hearing of people that listen to 'as I lay dying', and all those bands that claim to be producing music but just scream to cover up for their lack of vocal talent. If you don't agree with my watch this flash video to put in perspective how dumb this "music" is. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/flash/growl.html
That song would be SO COOL with real vocals.

[PonyOne]

if that music is screamo then Tool is Christian Praise.

screamo is more like The Blood Brothers... people even classify Refused as screamo nowadays which I think isn't totally correct, but, whatever.

screamo is more like emo lyrics, but rather than the lead singer whining, s/he yells. so your song can be a letter to your girlfriend about how you tried to make it to the Sunny Day Real Estate show but your Vespa broke down and none of the stupid hicks in the area would give you a ride so you missed it and it really wasn't your fault thus she has no right to leave you, you'd just scream it.

[CW14]

I'm sick of hearing of people that listen to 'as I lay dying', and all those bands that claim to be producing music but just scream to cover up for their lack of vocal talent. If you don't agree with my watch this flash video to put in perspective how dumb this "music" is. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/flash/growl.html

Why does it bother you what other people listen to? Their musical preference is just as valid as yours.
You may not like it, but they are not untalented.

I'm not saying I like that stuff though...

[SoulDistortion]

Why does it bother you what other people listen to? Their musical preference is just as valid as yours.
You may not like it, but they are not untalented.

I'm not saying I like that stuff though...

It bothers me for the same reason that it may bother you when somone listens to britney spears. I mean you and I both know that that music goes through so much digital processing and correction that the final product is completley different than what was originally produced.

Doing breathing exercise to practice screaming takes endurance but lets be real, does it really bring joy to your ears to hear somone sing like they are going to cough up their own lung? To me it is very tasteless and talentless. How can you get the meaning of the song in the lyrics if you want even understand it? And the video that I posted may not be screamo but they still scream and growl in the song just like screamo does. Point being that even though screaming in a song and calling it words may take practice, its a waste of talent. Its such a waste because these screamo bands have such good guitar and riffs and it is horribly tainted by this SCREAMING, its like pouring red whine on beatiful white carpet. Why do breathing exercises to practice screaming when you can practice ACTUALLY SINGING LIKE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO. I respect everyones opinion but to me it screamo is the STUPIDEST genre of music since rap.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/flash/growl.html

"CLEAR YIR THROAT FOR VS 2!!!" LOL!!! :p

[Raskolnikov]

How can you get the meaning of the song in the lyrics if you want even understand it?
I have less trouble understanding Blood Brothers (and Dying Fetus and Scissorfight, for that matter) than I do Bob Dylan.

Why listen to Finntroll or tune into Radio Darvish when I don't even speak the langauges that the songs are being sung in?


To me, music is music and screaming/growled vocals are just another dynamic and asthetic tool in a band's pallet. It can be done poorly and it can be done badly. However, I'm not about to write off a band for doing it until I've heard them do their thing because, frankly, if I did do that sort of thing, I would have never exposed myself to a lot of outstanding music.

[Andrew Sa]

take a listen to bands like Atreyu and The Used, then qucikly change your mind about vocalists that scream!

speaking of the whole screamo/emo thing, what do you guys think of Fighstar?

[Akira]

does it really bring joy to your ears to hear somone sing like they are going to cough up their own lung?

To some people it might...

I respect everyones opinion but to me it screamo is the STUPIDEST genre of music since rap.


Well obviously you don't respect peoples opinions if you go to call a certain genre of music stupid. :p

It's not like you have to listen to that sort of music, you're not being forced to listen to it, so it's no big deal really. Sure, it can get annoying when you turn on a music channel and find that nearly every song sounds the same, but I learnt to just close my ears to it all.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Doing breathing exercise to practice screaming takes endurance but lets be real, does it really bring joy to your ears to hear somone sing like they are going to cough up their own lung?
www.metal-archives.com has 9144 death metal bands alone registered in their databse. There are also more bands registered in the death metal category than there are in any other individual genre. The second closest is black metal with 7891.


How can you get the meaning of the song in the lyrics if you want even understand it?
You don't have to understand lyrics to understand the music, so what's it matter? Is someone else's verbal translation of music really that important to you? And some of the bands have really stupid lyrics so it's not always a bad thing that you can't understand them.


Its such a waste because these screamo bands have such good guitar and riffs and it is horribly tainted by this SCREAMING, its like pouring red whine on beatiful white carpet.
So if I was to make a song that I felt was perfect in its final form and I was 100% happy with what I'd done, but it because I growled I'm wasting my time and talent? Despite the fact that I'm still able to talk to my friends right after I growl.


Why do breathing exercises to practice screaming when you can practice ACTUALLY SINGING LIKE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO. I respect everyones opinion but to me it screamo is the STUPIDEST genre of music since rap.

Let's single that out. "ACTUALLY SINGING LIKE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO". Beg your pardon, but I don't think it's in the constitution that people have to sing instead of growl. And I think we've already been over the rap thing, so spare us that one and leave it out.

[Renisenb]

To me it's just a matter of taste... simple as that.

I actually kind of like some screaming in certain songs. Fuel's song "Down" has just enough screaming that it's pretty darn cool. I also like "What if" by Creed... I love how he keeps screaming "What if, what if, what if I?"
To me it has to be mixed in just right, and there absolutely must be heavy guitar to balance everything out IMO.

One thing I really don't go for, however, is Cannibal Corpses. One of my friends likes them... all I can say is whew... now if anyone takes the cake for the most deep growl/screaming music, they do. Period.

[CW14]

It bothers me for the same reason that it may bother you when somone listens to britney spears.
Sure, Britney Spears bothers me, but it doesn't bother me that some people like it.

I respect everyones opinion but to me it screamo is the STUPIDEST genre of music since rap.
That sentence contradicts itself.

[SoulDistortion]

www.metal-archives.com has 9144 death metal bands alone registered in their databse. There are also more bands registered in the death metal category than there are in any other individual genre. The second closest is black metal with 7891.
It seems to me you are attempting to say this "WELL LOOK man! death metal is popular, everyone likes it" Well excuse me but look at rap today, everyone likes it, does that mean its good music? of course not, you are being nieve by using that as an example.

You don't have to understand lyrics to understand the music, so what's it matter? Is someone else's verbal translation of music really that important to you? And some of the bands have really stupid lyrics so it's not always a bad thing that you can't understand them.
If I dont understand the lyrics than is their even ANY POINT in writiting words to a song?! no the point of lyrics is defeated and lyrics are a LARGE portion of a songs meaning. Sometimes lyrics are they only thing that keeps a band afloat. If you think that lyrics aren't important you obviously havent done your homework.

So if I was to make a song that I felt was perfect in its final form and I was 100% happy with what I'd done, but it because I growled I'm wasting my time and talent? Despite the fact that I'm still able to talk to my friends right after I growl.
I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to convey here but it seems to me you are running out of points against me. If I havent come up with at least 1 point to show you how Bad this genre of music is then you need to open yourself to my opinion more. I can't really open myself to your opinion because I just cant, no matter how hard I try, discover why you are arguing this point.

Let's single that out. "ACTUALLY SINGING LIKE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO". Beg your pardon, but I don't think it's in the constitution that people have to sing instead of growl. And I think we've already been over the rap thing, so spare us that one and leave it out.

What came first, singing or growling? (singing) What sounds better? (singing) What takes more time to perfect? (singing) What is understandable? (singing) What can contain variety and allow the singer to insert his own personallity into the words he speaks? (singing) If there was a constitution of music then yes it certainly would include Rule #1. You must at least make an attempt to sing, if you can not sing then do not give up and start doing godzilla impressions, keep practicing you may get it some day.

I appologize if I have offended you in someway, I have presendted you with my hardcore opinion as well as HARDCORE FACTS. If you have to make a response to defend ANYTHING MORE on this matter than you obviously do not have the ability to LEARN. :rolleyes:

[alucard0941]

Dude, if you want to win the argument, just dont post. The more you post, the more people will get pissed. If I were you, I would just leave and let people argue to among themselves.
I vision this getting locked

[Cryptic Excretions]

I know it's long, but read it all. I read everything you wrote.

It seems to me you are attempting to say this "WELL LOOK man! death metal is popular, everyone likes it" Well excuse me but look at rap today, everyone likes it, does that mean its good music? of course not, you are being nieve by using that as an example.
No, what I'm saying is look at how many people create that style of music. If no one wanted to hear it then why would there be so many people playing it? Why would bands like Morbid Angel and Cannibal Corpse have gone platinum? If no one wanted to hear it then none of them would be making a living off it.


If I dont understand the lyrics than is their even ANY POINT in writiting words to a song?! no the point of lyrics is defeated and lyrics are a LARGE portion of a songs meaning. Sometimes lyrics are they only thing that keeps a band afloat. If you think that lyrics aren't important you obviously havent done your homework.
If I don't think lyrics are important then I don't know what I'm talking about? Have you ever enjoyed an instrumental song? Have you ever considered how a song was structured together and how people harmonize instead of worrying about what someone else is saying? ****, why listen to Satriani? All he does is instrumentals(sic), so why bother if he doesn't have anything to say? I look at lyrics on a similar level to a song, but I don't need lyrics that I can understand, relate to, or even consider to enjoy a song. Most of the CDs I have I couldn't recite one lyric. Why's that? Because I'm just not that worried about it.


I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to convey here but it seems to me you are running out of points against me. If I havent come up with at least 1 point to show you how Bad this genre of music is then you need to open yourself to my opinion more. I can't really open myself to your opinion because I just cant, no matter how hard I try, discover why you are arguing this point.
That's the thing, all you've come up with are opinions. When you give me factual information that death metal is a waste of my time and talent then I will reconsider, but until then I will continue to enjoy listening and playing death metal. I know why I'm arguing. It's because I am a loyal death metal fan and to say that I'm talentless because I'm involved in a genre you don't approve of is complete balderdash. I'm not the greatest, but I've dedicated my entire life to making myself as good as I can... and death metal plays a big part in that. The initial point I was getting at was that you're saying that regardless of my sweeping, my taps, my harmonies, solos, everything I put into my techniques to make it as I see fit, it's a waste of my talent because you don't like it. That's a complete load and you, like previously stated, contradict yourself when you say you can respect others' opinions. So let me get that last bit straight. I need to open up to your opinion because you lack the ability to open up to mine? You don't even know what all I listen to. You know I like death metal so far. What else do I know about me through generalizations?


What came first, singing or growling? (singing) What sounds better? (singing) What takes more time to perfect? (singing) What is understandable? (singing) What can contain variety and allow the singer to insert his own personallity into the words he speaks? (singing) If there was a constitution of music then yes it certainly would include Rule #1. You must at least make an attempt to sing, if you can not sing then do not give up and start doing godzilla impressions, keep practicing you may get it some day.
What? Which came first? Gospel music or hip hop? Obviously gospel, but that doesn't make it right. Music is an evolving process and if we all kept taking the same route then music would get so watered down and it'd all be the same. I don't sing. I don't want to sing. I don't like singing. It's not something I have a remote interest in working on. I enjoy growling. It makes me feel good when I growl. I feel better about myself when I get deep and gutteral sound. It's not because I don't know how to get better at regular singing, it's because I don't like to sing the normal way. And why should I do something I don't have any care to do in music? It makes sense to me that if I don't want to be a good country guitarist then I shouldn't bother to learn the style. In essence it's the same thing. Why waste time perfecting a craft that I have no desire to use?


I appologize if I have offended you in someway, I have presendted you with my hardcore opinion as well as HARDCORE FACTS. If you have to make a response to defend ANYTHING MORE on this matter than you obviously do not have the ability to LEARN. :rolleyes:
opinions and facts don't work in the same sentance. They're opposites. You can't prove your opinions while proving facts at the same time. It's just contradicting. As far as I'm concerned, the only "hardcore fact" you've proven is that you don't know the difference between As I Lay Dying, Screamo, and Death Metal.

Try joining the debate team in your school dude. Try telling them that if they rebuttle they lack the ability to learn. It's how a debate goes. You voice your opinion and the others react as they see fit. It's a debate. A simple debate on opinions. So when you respond to my views it's ok, but when I respond to you I lack the ability to learn? Isn't that a tad biased for something based around opinions? I don't even know where to start on the comment about my ability to learn. Coming from someone that doesn't know what I do for a living, what I do with my guitar, or anything else that really doesn't hurt my feelings. But saying such a statement in this context puts you under the same umbrella. And I'll spare you the "why" question and tell you that it's because you pass off your opinions as fact and accuse others of not knowing what they're talking about and just loft a statement like "you obviously do not have the ability to LEARN. :rolleyes:" into the fray like you have some sort of key to all the knowlege in the world.

Editor's note: Dear god that's long.

[PonyOne]

i may as well jump into the melee.
It seems to me you are attempting to say this "WELL LOOK man! death metal is popular, everyone likes it" Well excuse me but look at rap today, everyone likes it, does that mean its good music? of course not, you are being nieve by using that as an example.
i don't really like death metal as much as other genres although like most genres, it has its moments and its great performers. it's like anything else; say you've just moved from central Africa and have never heard of rock but someone wants to take you to a rock show. they take you to see a band composed of 15 year old kids who have collectively been playing for less than a year and have no natural aptitude for the form but they have paid a lot of money for lessons, so they have these boring, limp-wristed formulaic songs that make your skin crawl. you go "screw that" and go back to listening to djembe music.

a week later you are riding in someone's car and they're playing this heavenly sounding piece that just fills you with emotion. you ask who it is and they say "Led Zeppelin." you ask what type of music it is, and they say "rock." hmm. maybe this rock thing isn't so bad.

i think the point he's trying to make is that different types of music speak to different people, and with that many people into it and performing it, even if it isn't your favorite style, it can't all be bad, and just saying "it all blows" based on a few songs isn't right. personally, i hate Rage Against The Machine, and so i'll say that "rage sucks (IMHO)" but that doesn't mean i'll discount all political music.

If I dont understand the lyrics than is their even ANY POINT in writiting words to a song?! no the point of lyrics is defeated and lyrics are a LARGE portion of a songs meaning. Sometimes lyrics are they only thing that keeps a band afloat. If you think that lyrics aren't important you obviously havent done your homework.
maybe you don't understand, does that mean that the person singing it doesn't understand? and obvously some people do understand it, whether they literally understand the lyrics he's growling or they enderstand the emotions he's trying to convey. i don't speak German but the song Tanz Mit Laibach by Laibach is a pretty awesome song. i don't need to know exactly what he's saying because it's a good song and that's that.

to me the bulk of these bands with a lead singer screaming gutterally just sound like uninteresting formulaic "hard" crap with some guy doing a Cookie Monster impression over a few drop chords and a well-rehearsed sweep and some double pedalling; fast, loud, and out of control is not my scene. but i've also heard some that really hit me and was some really awesome stuff.

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to convey here but it seems to me you are running out of points against me. If I havent come up with at least 1 point to show you how Bad this genre of music is then you need to open yourself to my opinion more. I can't really open myself to your opinion because I just cant, no matter how hard I try, discover why you are arguing this point.
we had someone else on this forum a couple months back lead us into a debate about "how much rap sucked" and how it was a lesser form of art than rock, and he got debated into a corner, yet he still insisted that at the very least he'd made some good points, and even though everything he said got ripped up by eight different people, insisted that no one had proven him wrong yet.

if he would have at some point stopped being a 'tard and said "okay, i guess you're right, i don't understand, just like there are kids in Compton who wouldn't understand any of the bands i like." anyone who tries to justify saying an entire genre of music just plain SUCKS, case closed, can never win a debate for one simple reason: appreciation of art is a matter of opinion and preference. i think Jackson Pollack was an overrated mediocre blowhard but you know what, i seem to be in the minority and there is an active art community that will pay millions upon millions for his artwork. i think Daniel Clowes is a great artist and most people would disregard him as an "illustrator" who "just draws comics."

the only answer that matters is your own. if you want to ask why it is that a certain band does a certain thing so that you can know, by all means, do. if you want to come in and say something just sucks and that's that, you're setting yourself to get reamed in a debate.

What came first, singing or growling? (singing) What sounds better? (singing) What takes more time to perfect? (singing) What is understandable? (singing) What can contain variety and allow the singer to insert his own personallity into the words he speaks? (singing) If there was a constitution of music then yes it certainly would include Rule #1. You must at least make an attempt to sing, if you can not sing then do not give up and start doing godzilla impressions, keep practicing you may get it some day.
unless you don't believe in evolution in which case i don't value your opinion on the matter anyway, then growling came first. speaking and singing takes articulation which is a hell of a lot more difficult than growling. if you notice i said something about some guy doing Cookie Monster impressions over "formulaic 'hard' crap" and yes, i generally do not like or appreciate the genre you're talking about. at the same time i have songs like "Your Kid Is Deformed" and "Recycling Is Gay" by G.G. Allin's band (i can't type the name here) which are really just him going "ammamammaraamma meeeeeeerrrr, mrflfromlmrrrrmrrrmrrr... YOUR KID IS DEFORMED! (OI OI OI)" so i do have some appreciation for it.

i have a parrot that makes these crazy noises that to most seem unintelligible but somehow, i know what he's saying, and he'll be sitting on my shoulder and make a certain sting of noises that i know mean "i want some fruit" or "i want some of your food." i don' texpect most people to know what he means, but i do, and i'm right 100% of the time. i don't know how or why, but, that's the way it is.

who knows how or why a certain type of music sounds good or bad to us? to some people the sound of a 350 V8 is beautiful and to other's it's obnoxious. to some the sound of a baby crying is beautiful, to other's it's annoying. it's just opinion, and the second you try to make your opinion the definitive point for anyone but yourself, you're wrong.

I appologize if I have offended you in someway, I have presendted you with my hardcore opinion as well as HARDCORE FACTS. If you have to make a response to defend ANYTHING MORE on this matter than you obviously do not have the ability to LEARN. :rolleyes:
so... you put down the hardcore fact that it's someone yelling/screaming/growling, and the hardcore fact that you don't like it? okay. no one has an issue with that. but if one of your hardcore reasons is that it's dumb, and someone disagrees, and they give you reasons that they like it, to which you respond "well maybe you like it but does that make it good? it's still dumb" then they aren't necessarily the only one who can't learn.

[PonyOne]

Editor's note: Dear god that's long.
mine's longer ;)

[Raskolnikov]

G.G. Allin's band (i can't type the name here)
That would be The Murder Junkies.

[PonyOne]

well i can type AIDS Brigade as well and that won't get censored, but, i'm talking about the most famous incarnation...

kind of a profane version of "bottom-like vagina."

[Raskolnikov]

well i can type AIDS Brigade as well and that won't get censored, but, i'm talking about the most famous incarnation...

kind of a profane version of "bottom-like vagina."
A.C.?


They never backed up GG. They DID take their name from a GG Allin song, however.

[Akira]

Well, in conclusion, SoulDistortion got slaughtered. Hopefully he can see that and we can all just leave that there. :)

[Cryptic Excretions]

mine's longer ;)

Blast you... oh well... what was I expecting from the king himself?

[PonyOne]

They never backed up GG. They DID take their name from a GG Allin song, however.
d'oh. oh well.

AIDS brigade is bad enough for one performer.

[Cryptic Excretions]

A.C.?


They never backed up GG. They DID take their name from a GG Allin song, however.
Actually the way the band got their name was the originator of the band (Seth something or another) wrote down all the profane words he could think of and started combining all of them to see if he could find any with a special ring to it and the GG Allen song was just coincidental. That's what I read anyway so, what do I know?

[Raskolnikov]

Actually the way the band got their name was the originator of the band (Seth something or another) wrote down all the profane words he could think of and started combining all of them to see if he could find any with a special ring to it and the GG Allen song was just coincidental. That's what I read anyway so, what do I know?
That could be, but I have trouble imagining Boston-based Seth Putnam being unaware of New Hampshire-born GG Allin's work.

[x0o_BurnOut_o0x]

OW, Sorry for ur luck Social D. Its rather funny, almost all the threads that start off with "[insert genre]music SUCKS" , the creator of that particular thread most of the time gets burned. And to make matters even more curious its by the same couple people over and over. Id hate to be the one PonyOne, or Rask comes down on.

[Renisenb]

I like debating stuff... it's interesting... but can't we all just get along? :D

[SoulDistortion]

OK cryptic you are trying WAAAAAAAAAY to hard, you will always think the sky is red. Frankly I give up. One last thing...

I enjoy growling. It makes me feel good when I growl.
LOL whatever you like.... :confused:

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

What came first, singing or growling? (singing) What sounds better? (singing) What takes more time to perfect? (singing) What is understandable? (singing) What can contain variety and allow the singer to insert his own personallity into the words he speaks? (singing)
What came first? (singing I suppose came first, but that doesn't necessarily make it better) What sounds better? (this is really a matter of opinion, you can't say that singing sounds better) What takes more time to perfect? (probably take equal amounts of time) What is understandable? (well, that song that you posted may not have been understandable, but that doesn't mean that the entire genre of music isn't understandable, take a look at a band called "lamb of god") What can contain variety and allow the singer to insert his own personallity into the words he speaks? (well, there is definate variety in both kinds of music, and thoughts and feeling can just as easily be put into either style)

I must also say that not all death metal isn't understandable. there are several bands out there that can scream/growl and you can still understand the lyrics... personally, I don't like music where they don't actually say anything, and they just scream (like in the link you posted) but you can't hate the entire genre for the few bands that do do that. also, sometimes the music is understandable, but you just can't make it out the first time through, I honestly don't understand what a lot of singers are saying the first time I hear the song...

you know, if you are going to diss metal, you might as well diss classical music too... they are almost all instrumental, and when they do have singing, it's not usually lyrics, just singing random noises and sounds.

[Cryptic Excretions]

I see this thread is still going strong. Ah... well, I've put my 2 cents in plenty of times over. I'm done with it all.

[SoulDistortion]

I see this thread is still going strong. Ah... well, I've put my 2 cents in plenty of times over. I'm done with it all.

Indeed you have, have you seen your 2 cents as effective on anyones opinions or do you think it was a waste of time? Don't think im some vicious monster out to shoot down anyone with a different opinoin than me. I guess i could call it a good debate :confused: Anyways, I see most of this as wasted time and effort because you are stubborn and I am stubborn, its like 2 500 pound men playing tug of war.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Indeed you have, have you seen your 2 cents as effective on anyones opinions or do you think it was a waste of time? Don't think im some vicious monster out to shoot down anyone with a different opinoin than me. I guess i could call it a good debate :confused: Anyways, I see most of this as wasted time and effort because you are stubborn and I am stubborn, its like 2 500 pound men playing tug of war.
I don't consider it wasted or put to good use. It was a debate and debates are always going back and forth. Over all, I'm really not worried about it, I just kept going because it involved something that interests me therefore my opinion applied. I put my two cents in on the rap debate, but stopped posting for 2 reasons.
1) I was proven wrong in every way possible
2) I don't listen to rap, so what do I know about it that's worth contributing?
I listen to death metal and know the style well, so I can honestly put my thoughts in and make something of it. But if your worried about wasting time in a debate then steer clear because everyone's putting the same amount into it and it all goes to the same place... Opinions. And no matter how a debate goes, people still leave with their own opinions. Ah, but hell, a good debate is always fun is it not?

[GuitarPsy]

*crashes in*

hate to dissapoint you Soul but I agree with everything Cryptic or PonyOne said, and I haven't seen one good argument from your side, mostly opinions, while it appeared to me that you judge on wrong information or experience with the genre (metal, with a singer who happends to growl, in this case)

and before you begin judging me about being a deathmetalfan, I enjoy any kind of music, from rock to rap to deathmetal and from shakira to the soundtrack of star wars

*crashes out*? :p

[SoulDistortion]

I don't consider it wasted or put to good use. It was a debate and debates are always going back and forth. Over all, I'm really not worried about it, I just kept going because it involved something that interests me therefore my opinion applied. I put my two cents in on the rap debate, but stopped posting for 2 reasons.
1) I was proven wrong in every way possible
2) I don't listen to rap, so what do I know about it that's worth contributing?
I listen to death metal and know the style well, so I can honestly put my thoughts in and make something of it. But if your worried about wasting time in a debate then steer clear because everyone's putting the same amount into it and it all goes to the same place... Opinions. And no matter how a debate goes, people still leave with their own opinions. Ah, but hell, a good debate is always fun is it not?

Yes i guess so but i felt like i was running uphill because this thread is basically only attracting deathmetal fans in here. I basically got gangbanged by everyone and i will say that no one got anywhere with anything, i still have my opinion you still have yours.

[Cryptic Excretions]

Yes i guess so but i felt like i was running uphill because this thread is basically only attracting deathmetal fans in here. I basically got gangbanged by everyone and i will say that no one got anywhere with anything, i still have my opinion you still have yours.
You didn't attract just death metal fans. Most of the people that posted hardly even listen to death metal. At least from what I read. You mostly just attracted people that understand what goes into that type of music.

[PonyOne]

total number of death metal CD's in my collection: 0

total number of death metal songs in my iTunes: 0

i'm listening to Jaqueline by Franz Ferdinand as i write this... oops... it just turned over into Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood by the Animals.

i'm just so personally devoted to music and art that i really can't stand it when anyone says that an entire genre of music or art "sucks." i get into it because i feel that obviously anyone who feels so strongly about a certain type of music is also personally vested in it as well, they just are doing themselves and the world a big disservice by discounting and entire genre encompassing thousands upon thousands of songs.

again i think RATM blows donkeys, but, if i decided that all political rock sucks as a result, i would hate one of my favorite bands, Refused. if i decided that all ska sucked, i wouldn't be listening to Nigel by Hepcat right now (great freakin song). see my point?

[SoulDistortion]

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In spite of the difference of opinions I made this in a tribute to all music that uses the guitar as a crutial instrament.

[Katoomba]

I really don't like this genre of music but have been lucky enough to come across some of it where the screaming has been removed or recorded without the screaming. A lot of the backing music is very, very good but to my ear it is ruined by the screaming.