Best of the Best

[XChris557]

Who's the best Guitarist from every style of music u can think of - Metal,Death,doom,NU,prog,hardcore,hard rock,rock,blues,70's - anything rock

[Hammurabi]

Metal- John Lowery (formerly of Marilyn Manson). He has also played with David Lee Roth and Les Paul (the man, not just his guitars) and just recently released a solo album entitled "Vertigo".

Death- Jean-Claude Van Damme. Yes, the greatest white martial artist plays guitar. He uses a Buddha amp, just for reference. I don't think he plays metal, but no other guitarist is as badass as he is so I think he earns the 'Death' category award.

Rock- Rhoads

Alt Rock- Petrucci

Attitude/Drinking award- Yngwie

Most impressive guitarist to watch- Batio

[Raskolnikov]

Jean-Claude Van Damme. Yes, the greatest white martial artist plays guitar.
You're kidding, right?

[XChris557]

Death- Jean-Claude Van Damme. Yes, the greatest white martial artist plays guitar. He uses a Buddha amp, just for reference. I don't think he plays metal, but no other guitarist is as badass as he is so I think he earns the 'Death' category award.

R U SERIOUS haha - what r some songs of his lol

[Hammurabi]

R U SERIOUS haha - what r some songs of his lol

He doesn't play professionally.

Rasky- when I say greatest I simply mean looks the coolest while doing it.

[XChris557]

He doesn't play professionally.

Rasky- when I say greatest I simply mean looks the coolest while doing it.

well how do i hear him see him or whatever - i'm up for a lauph -

[PonyOne]

i like Danny Gatton for blues.

otherwise and even still, i don't think there's a "best" guitarist out there.

[justinhunt]

Its hard to say whos the best guitarist when it comes to any genre of music because every artist arranges their music differently. And theres a difference between being able to shred like a maniac and make music sound so good it brings a tear to your eye BUT

blues id say Eric Clapton or B.B. King. (who doesnt automatically know tears in heaven when they hear it or the thrill is gone). listen to riding with the king if youre a blues fan

classic rock id give it to Jimmy Page (stairway to heaven is such a good god damn song) and Led Zeppelin rocks man.

country i hand it to Mr. Guitar Chet Atkins (tenderly and imagine are great songs)

bluegrass Earl Scruggs is mindblowing although he plays a banjo

Yngwie can shred like a maniac.

And if you think Jean-Claude's the best white martial artist, you havent seen George W. get to drinking and tangoing with Saddam in his holding cell.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

jean claude van damme.... never thought I would hear that... but um... for metal... I can't think of their names right now, but the 2 guitarists for the band "lamb of god" I love that band. also, the guitarist(s) for opeth are pretty darn good too

[Hammurabi]

And if you think Jean-Claude's the best white martial artist, you havent seen George W. get to drinking and tangoing with Saddam in his holding cell.

Saddam would break him in half. Bush is soft, Saddam is an animal.

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

Saddam would break him in half. Bush is soft, Saddam is an animal.

Yeah,saddam has had plenty of 'sparring' sessions with his own various captives i'm sure(with their hands tied up).

Rock-angus/rhoads(can't decide)

Metal-Hmmm...Andy Larouche(King Diamond)

Death-Muhammed Suicmez(the current undisputed king of death metal.No one even comes close to his skill or songwriting...no one)

And van damm isn't crap for a martial artist.Blood sport is one of my favorite movies,but van damm is just a ballet dancer.And the real 'frank dux' is a phony as well.He has no military record e.c.t.

[Hammurabi]

Yeah,saddam has had plenty of 'sparring' sessions with his own various captives i'm sure(with their hands tied up).

You have to admit it's much better exercise than sitting at a desk all day.

Jean could kick all y'all critic's arses.

[PonyOne]

i took martial arts courses for a long time and if you think i'm going to tell van damme he sucks at playing guitar to his face your nuts!!! the guy is not the best martial artist out there but he did get famous for a reason, and like most other celebs, he has the financial resources to spend all his time working out and taking martial arts, probably with some of the best teachers $$$ can buy.

and in regards to bush vs. saddam: let's think... rich prep school kid who's had (literally) everything handed to him versus guy who had access to te finest and sickest torture equipment CIA money can buy... well, at this point all he's got going for him is that he's a 5th dan black belt in *totally nuts* but in their prime my paycheck goes to Saddam.

[Raskolnikov]

i took martial arts courses for a long time and if you think i'm going to tell van damme he sucks at playing guitar to his face your nuts!!! the guy is not the best martial artist out there but he did get famous for a reason, and like most other celebs, he has the financial resources to spend all his time working out and taking martial arts, probably with some of the best teachers $$$ can buy.
Give him a Charlie Horse on his right leg... without it he's useless.

Go ahead, count left leg kicks vs right leg kicks next time you watch one of his movies. It's downright comical.

[PonyOne]

he'll fall to my special indian burn move.

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

he'll fall to my special indian burn move.

LMAO!

Van Damm is no fighter.He is an actor in good shape...heck,I could wreck him in a real encounter.He would try to square off or something as I strike first and straight blast him into a full shred.

He would be shouting "Matai!" or something as I destroy his eyes and disfigure his face.

Oh yeah,'Best of the best' is a good movie too.Part 2 was as well....havn't seen that in ages.If only tae kwon do actually did that in real life.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

Van Damm is no fighter.He is an actor in good shape...heck,I could wreck him in a real encounter.He would try to square off or something as I strike first and straight blast him into a full shred.

He would be shouting "Matai!" or something as I destroy his eyes and disfigure his face.
uh huh... and I could beat up jackie chan blindfolded with my hands tied behind my back, and with roller skates on my feet... while he is given all the weapons he could ever want

[justinhunt]

Saddam probably gets fed a loaf of bread every couple days or so after his daily shock therapy treatment. Bush probably hangs him upside down and uses him for a punching bag.

[Hammurabi]

uh huh... and I could beat up jackie chan blindfolded with my hands tied behind my back, and with roller skates on my feet... while he is given all the weapons he could ever want


Jackie Chan (actually born Chan Kong-sang) is a fascinating guy. He removes live land mines from third world countries for charity and he could whoop up on anyone here easily even though he's over 50, but I don't think he plays guitar.

Chuck- Jean would tear you a new one. I very much doubt he fights irl like he does in movies.

[alucard0941]

I think IM the best guitarist

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

Chuck- Jean would tear you a new one. I very much doubt he fights irl like he does in movies.

Heh,thats my point...he dosn't know how to fight in real life.I would 'hope' he didn't try any movie stuff otherwise I would die laughing.If he made any of his signature sounds I would croak!

I would bet money that if a mugger/random attacker went after van dam,he would push,shove and throw punches from his shoulder or mabey a roundhouse to the assailents ass.Actually,I can picture him trying to run away and the attacker grabbing his shirt taking him down.No time to prep for the 'match' or think about form...when it all hits the fan,van damm would be a victim...

And jean couldn't tear anything except his pants while doing a split...

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

I very much doubt he would try to fight like he does in the movies, but he's fricken huge, and I'm positive that he at least knows how to throw a punch, and trust me, one punch from that guy and you are done chuck...

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

I'm sure he can throw wonderful,strong punch...from the waist or shoulder.What makes you think he could hit me?Because I'm not in the movies or don't have trophies or awards of some type?I'm not a recognized fighter?

Here are some links.

www.senshido.com


and for a decent 'skeptic' forum where anything flawed is bashed without hesitation...

www.bullshido.net

whoops

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

I'm not saying that you suck at fighting, I'm just saying that in t.v. shows and movies they often have some kind of huge bulky dude with fricken huge muscles versus some small speedy guy, and the small speedy guy usually wins... however, in real life, having big muscles doesn't really make you so slow that someone who was light and speedy, or had karate skills, could dodge every hit, and even if you did liand a few punches on him what makes you think that they'll cause very much damage? let's put it this way, when you are just walking down the street, and you see some dude with muscles that are equal to the size of jean claude van damme's would you pick a fight with him?

[Hammurabi]

What makes you think he could hit me?Because I'm not in the movies or don't have trophies or awards of some type?I'm not a recognized fighter?


I think he could kill you not by any fault of your own but simply because he really is a good fighter. He's been doing Shotokan karate since he was ten years old. When he was 18 he was the middleweight tournament champion of the European Professional Karate Association.

[XChris557]

I fight with my ...wait

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

I fight with my ...wait
that's gotta be painful

[XChris557]

that's gotta be painful

U get used to it

[Jolly McJollyson]

blues id say Eric Clapton or B.B. King. (who doesnt automatically know tears in heaven when they hear it or the thrill is gone). listen to riding with the king if youre a blues fan
Over Buddy Guy or Muddy Waters? Doubt it.

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

lol,would I pick a fight with a guy with big muscles?NO...would I pick a fight with a guy half my size?NO...why niether?Because I don't pick fights at all.

People who pick fights(besides being insecure punks)are weak and look for victims...they don't look for challenges unless they'er filled with some 'liquid courage'(beer/stupidity).

Shotokan...neat name,belts,image and cool looking moves.Jean has a wall full of belts and awards no doubt.But it isn't going to get him out of a RNC.He is trained to score points,not survive a full contact encounter with no points,saftey,help or doctors standing by.

Ok,heres something a little different...would I get in a ring with van damm in a kickboxing match?Well,I would(that would be exciting),but would I win?I would get taken to the cleaners if I squared of with him in some tournament setting where there are rules,rounds,refs and corner men.If I tried to best him at his 'style' he would lay me out.

[XChris557]

People who pick fights(besides being insecure punks)are weak and look for victims...they don't look for challenges unless they'er filled with some 'liquid courage'(beer/stupidity).



Or people who just like to fight and so they purposely blow the small things up to fight the person wether the win or loose ....they just want to fight :D

[kingdavid]

...He is trained to score points,not survive a full contact encounter with no points,saftey,help or doctors standing by...
And how are those points scored? By spitting into someone's face? :D
We know that's not the answer.
Did you watch the last olympics?
There was a game I saw, Tae Kwon Do. Helmets and all. Doctors by the truck load. And yes, they were playing for points.
Dude here acts like he's pushed to the edge of the circle, his opponent moves in for the kill (I think if you step out of the circle you are out, or lose a lot of points). Suddenly, dude jumps, spins, and delivers this mutha***** of a kick to would-be killer's head, would-be killer's helmet flys off his head. He is out cold. Game over.
That may have been done for points, but my bet is that if it happened to you in a "real" combat situation, your response would not be any different from would-be killer's.
And by the, a "normal" kick to the body earns a point. A kick to the head, on the other hand, earns 3. These "for points" dudes can kick ass outside the ring just as much as inside. In fact, they probably kick less in the ring coz they have to follow rules, but in a " real" combat situation, kicking, for example, below the belt, is perfectly legal. Ouch!! :eek:

[Raskolnikov]

And how are those points scored? By spitting into someone's face? :D
We know that's not the answer.
Did you watch the last olympics?
There was a game I saw, Tae Kwon Do. Helmets and all. Doctors by the truck load. And yes, they were playing for points.
Dude here acts like he's pushed to the edge of the circle, his opponent moves in for the kill (I think if you step out of the circle you are out, or lose a lot of points). Suddenly, dude jumps, spins, and delivers this mutha***** of a kick to would-be killer's head, would-be killer's helmet flys off his head. He is out cold. Game over.
That may have been done for points, but my bet is that if it happened to you in a "real" combat situation, your response would not be any different from would-be killer's.
And by the, a "normal" kick to the body earns a point. A kick to the head, on the other hand, earns 3. These "for points" dudes can kick ass outside the ring just as much as inside. In fact, they probably kick less in the ring coz they have to follow rules, but in a " real" combat situation, kicking, for example, below the belt, is perfectly legal. Ouch!! :eek:
There's a lot of different scoring systems, though and with them come different levels of contact that are allowed.

From what you described there, it was full contact, but they were keeping score in case nobody was knocked out. Under different rules, it can be purely by point with nothing harder than a tap allowed.

[3rd_degreeburn]

yeah I don't care too much for the point sparring but its not always taps and sissy hits...sometimes you get into it and really start hitting them hard but controlled to an extent..adrenaline rush I guess.. I saw at one our tournaments a black belt hook kicked a kid in the head, knocked him out cold...I dont remember if he was disqualified for excessive contact or what not but it was cool to watch
We have been doing full contact training )for this tournament coming up) at my dojo and my sensei is always telling us not hit too hard but enough to make him feel it and to use control, but when you get all into it and your having fun its hard to control..Im guessing he doesnt want one of us to get seriously hurt, o well still fun
At Mr Oyamas Japanese Knockdown Tournament, in one of the full contact matches, it was one of our crazy Japanese guy and some other guy which I will call tim so you dont get confused. Well the Japanese guy went to kick tim straight in the stomach, well tim put his hands down like an idiot so the japanese guy leaped in the air and kneed Tim dead in the face (its legal to knee and kick to the face at this tournament but illegal to punch to the face because its easier to punch someone in the face rather than kick,knee them to the face I guess..not too sure)
the Japanese guy shattered the left side of Tims face, poor guy had to have emergency reconstructive surgery..just trying to say that not all martial arts are sissy taps and that we dont know how to take real hard blows to the body like in real situations...not saying that anyone said that.

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

but my bet is that if it happened to you in a "real" combat situation

And what are the odds of that guy pulling that same move off in an random encounter on the street.You can practice 'the flaming dragon kick' for 20 years in a dojo/gym but when you are attacked outside where the positioning,weather,surfaces,innocent standbys,crowded rooms/halls and infinite variables exist,the chances of you pulling it off are slim.

Not to mention,fine motor skills go out the window...that fancy sidekick in the gym looks like crap and when your opponent isn't fighting the way you trained for you'll get injured or worse.

3rd_degree...knees are devastating...especially on people who drop there hands.

[PonyOne]

well from what i know about martial arts and from having done it, you have the "brawl" mentality people who believe that all martial arts training goes out the window once you get into an alley/street/bar fight and you have the martial artists who think that they can drop anyone like a stone.

i've seen guys who are white or orange belts drop a hardened street thug, and i've seen guys going solely on instinct knock the snot out of brown and black belts. there really is no saying what it is that's gonna happen, because each person is different and each fight is different.

i remember the second or third time i sparred when i was like 9, i was going up against a kid who was a couple years older than me and bigger, and i was blocking most of his moves successfully, and landing my hits right. he was getting frustrated and pissed, so, he did a sweep and knocked me clear on my ass; my head hit the floor harder than anything. he got in deep crap because it was an "illegal move" in that we hadn't been taught it; he'd seen the sempai and sensei using it in sparring and decided he'd do it too since he was losing. they don't let you do moves you've jsut seen because you can do it wron gand seriously hurt someone; i got back up and roundhoused him to the floor (that was always my best move, or one of them at least) and the sensei broke us up. my parents took me to the hospital at the urging of the sensei and i didn't get in trouble because the move i used was legal. the other kid had to sit out from sparring for 3 months, and his dad was pissed at him for being "a coward." the whole thing with sparring is that you work with someone your own speed and can focus on the moves you've been taught; not pull some random crap to "win."

the street is different. i've been in fights where i just swept the guy's leg, spun him onto his stomach and tackled him to subdue him; fights where i didn't use a single move because i was busy lifting a chair or blunt object, and fights where i used a section of a kata to beat "the toughest guy in school." you really can't tell and you need to be prepared.

that said when you get into the adult world, the fact of the matter is that generally speaking, you won't need to use the martial arts stuff that you studied so hard. yeah, isht happens but the truth is that fights really don't occur as regularly as they do in school. welcome to society. it's not acceptable. that said i've been in probably three or four out and out fights and there have been more times that i've used my knowledge to get someone who was beating someone else off of them. and i'll tell you, one of those situations it was against two guys who were known brawlers and i don't think i've ever drawn so much blood in my life; it was almost entirely shotokan/TKD/JKD moves i know.

3rddegree, make sure you focus on that control in the sparring; anyone can throw a punch that "hurts" but if you can learn to land a kick to someone's head that just kisses their ear and land four punches that feel like taps, then if you need to use it... that person's gonna be feeling it. and back when i was in jr high/high school, i stopped plenty of fights by "almost" landing a hit on someone and stopping short; if someone is messing with you and won't stop and the next thing they know, they're getting really familiar with the tread pattern of a DocMarten but their face is intact, they are way more apt to just "let it be" and you're less apt to be hauled off by the cops.

there's a dojo a few blocks away and i'd like to go back at some point. we'll see.

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

Good post ponyone.

Ive ended fights by...

*Diffusing fights(the BEST way to walk away untouched,obviously and the first thing you should try to do.Speech and de-escalating can work in some situations like where there is 3 or more people and the odds are stacked.Should always be the first effort you make)

*Top mount and right punch

*Standard front headlock/choke and strikes to the kidneys(after an attempted takedown)

*Right hook,left hook(two seperate occasions)

and thats it...nothing special.In sparring,stong front kicks always beat a roundhouse in my experience.The time it takes for a strong roundhouse to arrive is longer than a straight front kick/push kick to the gut.

[PonyOne]

i always had an advantage in being a lefty; people instinctively guard right for a right hook and i'd play that up, and get a nasty left punch in instead. also most people on the street expect a swing; in martial arts you go straight, and a good straight punch is harder to deflect that a movement that's already heading on a curve (all you have to do to deflect it is help the curve along). to get enough force to make a swing count, you have to get some weight into it, and so, if you deflect it, the person who threw it's balance is done for.

i started out in shotokan and then took tae kwan do, and began learning some jeet kune do before quitting, so, i'm pretty good at kicking. believe me, back when i was still practicing, i could get in a nasty roundhouse in the time it took most people to get a straight kick out. in the dojo i of course practiced barefoot and on my own i practiced wearing boots. i have huge feet (US 14EE) and i could and still can make a kick count. i always like roundhouse because of the tortional movement that got more force behind it while still keeping your body balanced. it also is more apt to knock an opponent sideways, which is harder to scramble back up from than if you just knocked them backwards with a straight kick.

[PonyOne]

another thing that just popped into my head...

think of the proverbial girl who "doesn't want to be a victim." one of her firends' older sister got raped and she's worried that someday some guy is going to pull her into an alley. so she starts carrying mace and a whistle but then realizes that won't work on everybody, and what if the guy comes at her with a knife before help arrives? so she starts taking self defense courses; Krav Maga, Tae Kwan Do, etc.

after a few years she's a few belts up and a veritable walking tank with breasts. one night she's walking back from a club when a guy approaches her. her instincts start racing and when the guy steps in front of her and raises his arm she lands a kick to his balls, knees his face and elbows the back of his neck. he's totally unonscious and there's blood everywhere. she goes to blow her whistle but the group of bystanders about 10 feet away are already on their cell phones with the cops. it turns out the guy was asking her what time it was and the bystanders were his church group. he goes to the hospital with a fractured skull and neck, and she goes to jail.

or the guy who spends all his time practicing shooting his gun and reading military handbooks on combat, subscribes to every soldier/weapon magazine under the sun and carries a .40 USP with a laser sight and two spare clips "just in case." one day he blows away three kids who were wearing Fubu because they were "about to mug him" (and you know, when someone is trying to mug you the appropriate way to deal with it is not only to unload 8 bullets into them but then chase down their friends and shoot them, too). the kids were actually all 14 and were doing a fundraiser for their 8th grade trip, and it just so happened that they were standing over him to ask because they were on a subway and Self Defense Man was sitting down.

people who prepare too much often open themselves to the very problems they seek to defend themselves from because they read the danger and conflict into every situation they're in. i know that i can probably win a fight against the bulk of the people out there but if some guy starts cussing me out because i said something to my girlfriend and he thinks i said he's ugly, i'll let him go ahead and think that he yelled me into submission. because one of two things is gonna happen: either i'm going to throw it back at him and we'll get into a shouting match and i'll put him in the hospital and have to spend the next 4 hours talking to cops let alone deal with the emotions that run after you royally mess someone up plus the fear of a lawsuit or the cops blaiming me or he's going to be that paranoid SOB and i'm going to end up in the hospital or dead.

aggression is nothing to be proud of or to be. all it does is get you in trouble and whether it's today or ten years from now, at some point, you'll pay.

[Raskolnikov]

I almost always used to spar lefty even though I'm right handed and legged. Part of it was that I could get my right leg up faster and hit harder with it off the front than I could with my left, partially because it put people off.

The other thing was, I could land a NASTY inverted round which people who weren't used to me NEVER expected.

One time at a tournament as I was setting it up for a break, my instructor caught some of judges whispering amongst themselves "he'll never break it with that." He chuckled at them then said something like "you wanna bet?" to them.

I made the break on my first try.

[XChris557]

All u need these days is a handgun and yer protected fer life

"hey man give me yer money"

BAM
and then run away so his homies dont get u

[PonyOne]

All u need these days is a handgun and yer protected fer life

"hey man give me yer money"

BAM
and then run away so his homies dont get u
yeah. unless the other guys shoots/stabs you first.

the whole "i got a gun so i'm safe" mentality is just flawed. you're better served spending your time figuring out how to avoid the situation in the first place (i.e. staying out of unsafe areas and not looking like a prime target, either because you look weak or you look blinged out or both) than learning to shoot a gun.

[Hammurabi]

All u need these days is a handgun and yer protected fer life

"hey man give me yer money"

BAM
and then run away so his homies dont get u

You've obviously never used a handgun. Handguns are usually only useful for self defense if there's a healthy distance between you and your target, which requires you to see the confrontation coming well in advance.

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

And the moral of the story is...

http://www.limestonemedia.com/funny-video/video/cops_and_guns1.mov

very,very funny.Even funnier that this guy is DEA...

anyway,yeah,if you have a gun and feel that your all set,then your dead wrong.You can't shoot someone for taking a swing at you(unless you want jail time to buff up and 'stretch out').Unless its a deadly situation(multiple attackers and no escape or someone else with a weapon and again,no escape or help nearby)you will be looking at some time...

"officer,they attacked me"...Officer replies "ok,calm down...did you try to get away?"....see ya!

[GibsonFreak]

I agree with him, there isnt really a best guitarist for overall.

[6strngs_2hmbkrs]

And the moral of the story is...

http://www.limestonemedia.com/funny-video/video/cops_and_guns1.mov

very,very funny.Even funnier that this guy is DEA...

anyway,yeah,if you have a gun and feel that your all set,then your dead wrong.You can't shoot someone for taking a swing at you(unless you want jail time to buff up and 'stretch out').Unless its a deadly situation(multiple attackers and no escape or someone else with a weapon and again,no escape or help nearby)you will be looking at some time...

"officer,they attacked me"...Officer replies "ok,calm down...did you try to get away?"....see ya!
was that movie supposed to have sound? I couldn't hear anything, but it looked hella funny!!!!!

[chucklivesoninmyheart]

Yeah,its supposed to have sound...he say's roughly this.

"Not more than a week ago a kid,not even 16,was killed playing with a gun"

"This is an unloaded gun.This is a glock 40,I'm the only in the room special enough to *bang!*"

yep...he is special indeed.