Guitar Tricks - Poll: I'd like EVERYBODY to respond to this if possible

BadHorsie

03-30-2001, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by Bardsley
I know I would never be able to do what they are doing.

For God's sake don't ever say that again. It really makes me mad to hear people say crap like that. I even used to say that and now I think of how idiodic it sounded. Let me take you back in time for a second. Six years ago and still going through puberty I was jammin' at my buds house and listening to "Kill 'Em All". I remember hearing Kirk solo and saying, "Wow! That guy plays so fast, I'll never be able to do that,". Yep, that's right. I used to think Kirk Hammet was a god. Anyway, just know that these musicians are not more talented than anyone else. Everyone has something to offer that no one else has. Being an individual is a lot more important than hoping you can play like someone else anyway. By the way Bof... CRAZY a$$ guitar playing man! Real nice.

BadHorsie

03-30-2001, 10:29 PM

Whoops! Almost forgot about the original question at hand. No, I don't really like Yngwie all that much. Personally I'd much rather listen to a violin if he's going to use the guitar like one.

[Edited by BadHorsie on 03-30-2001 at 11:33 PM]

Raskolnikov

03-30-2001, 10:31 PM

I think you just hit the nail on the head. Sure, we all have our idols, and we all are probably our harshest critcs, but we all have something to offer. We all put things together in a way that nobody else will, and I have faith that some day people will be listening to some of us saying "my god, I'll never be that good..."
The cycle repeats folks, that's just the way it works.

aeroslash

03-30-2001, 10:32 PM

Yes! I am the first to admit it!
He has and still does inspire greatly, even though its not extremely difficult stuff, he just always has something new up his sleeves!

He is very talented!

Bofatron

03-31-2001, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by BadHorsie
Originally posted by Bardsley
I know I would never be able to do what they are doing.

For God's sake don't ever say that again. It really makes me mad to hear people say crap like that. I even used to say that and now I think of how idiodic it sounded. Let me take you back in time for a second. Six years ago and still going through puberty I was jammin' at my buds house and listening to "Kill 'Em All". I remember hearing Kirk solo and saying, "Wow! That guy plays so fast, I'll never be able to do that,". Yep, that's right. I used to think Kirk Hammet was a god. Anyway, just know that these musicians are not more talented than anyone else. Everyone has something to offer that no one else has. Being an individual is a lot more important than hoping you can play like someone else anyway. By the way Bof... CRAZY a$$ guitar playing man! Real nice.

BadHorsie, nice post man. I know. The great ones (whoever that might be) set goals for us not obstacles. Excellent observation. And I'm glad to see you got the disk. I wondered. Thanks for the compliment.

Stay Frosty

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Fender Man

04-02-2001, 03:09 PM

I love Yngwie, and you peolpe can't say you don't want to play like him. I'd rather play like Hendrix, Page, Slash, or Angus Young, But I wouldn't mind being able to play like Yngwie. Yngwie rocks.

Christoph

04-02-2001, 10:55 PM

If I could turn a nob or push a button on my guitar and be able to play Yngwie style just like that, then I might do it from time to time. But I'm not going to practice my ass off trying to learn to play like him.

Yeah, I think I can say that I don't want to play like Yngwie. I wouldn't mind it, but I'm not gunna go out of my way to learn, because in the end it's all just the same harmonic minor scale-running anyway.

jake sommers

04-03-2001, 01:31 AM

i think yngwie is all that and a fish sandwich, but i don't think i'd like to play like him, if i could i would only use it like every now and then just to show people i can play like that. But i'd rather sound like clapton or vai, not actually mimicing them, but if i could steal someone's talent and put in a ball and use it at my own dicresion it would be those to guys.

EdmaD

04-03-2001, 04:56 AM

I think Yngwie is a good guitar player. There are a lot people that can play like him but his music is a good inspiration.

Brian Black

04-03-2001, 09:17 AM

I haven't listened to that much of his stuff, but he seems more technical than I like. His music isn't as emotional as someone like Clapton. But no doubt about it, the guy can play. It is a very difficult style, but one I'd rather listen to than feebly attempt to play.

Lordathestrings

04-03-2001, 03:00 PM

'sorry, old son, he didn't impress me for more than the first half hour of the show. After the novelty wears off, it becomes same-old-same-old.

I don't care how many notes can be played in a bar of music.

I don't care how many sounds you can get out of your kit.

Play me some music... something that stirs my soul... something that expresses human emotion, and tells me a story.

Malmsteen leaves me numb and bored. He's one of the people that comes to mind when I mention that some guitarists developed Steve Vai's speed, but didn't learn his sense of melody.

Some people call this condition "playing too technically". What I call it, gets turned into **** on this website.

Willdridge

04-05-2001, 01:25 AM

I'd love to be able to have the technical ability Yngwie holds, but I wouldn't like to play his music or like him. Possesing the techniques as executing them as well as he does is an art in itself, but it's not why I continue to pick up the guitar.
So, inspired? Perhaps - only to be a good a technician. Moved? Not a chance - on a emotional level his music lacks something and its that special something that I think most of use want to give through our music.

bluesman36

04-08-2001, 07:15 PM

The only time I saw Malmsteen it was his 1st tour of the states,small clubs. It was at the Nectarene Ballroom in Ann Arbor Mi. His backup band was a group called Talas and their bassist, an unknown at the time,named Billy Sheehan
stole the show. That was inspiring. I like Blackmore over Malmsteen.

Christoph

04-08-2001, 10:12 PM

You guys are never gunna believe this, but Mr. Malmsteen himself is coming through my humble little town on April 21.

I suppose I should go see what he's got.

AtomicMassUnit

04-16-2001, 03:33 PM

I have Yngwie's video, that first one, and I watch it and it's really cool and he's a funny dude too, and for about ten minutes afterward i feel the need to play as fast as him. Then, i do, then i feel better.

As for putting his sort of technique to good use, that's difficult. (You should see how terrible the Blues section of his video is). He inspires me to keep up my chops, definitely, but that's about it.

Atomic

Christoph

04-16-2001, 04:26 PM

Yngwie plays the blues. Now that would be a sight to see.

Led Zeppelin

04-16-2001, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by jake sommers
i think yngwie is all that and a fish sandwich, but i don't think i'd like to play like him, if i could i would only use it like every now and then just to show people i can play like that. But i'd rather sound like clapton or vai, not actually mimicing them, but if i could steal someone's talent and put in a ball and use it at my own dicresion it would be those to guys.

I sortof agree with you in that yngwie is a graet guitarist but hasnt got as much soul behind his play as Clapton for example but I dont agree with your views about Vai. I think Vai is a smashing player aswell but Id lump him in the same basket as malmsteen perhaps along with a couple of them fish sandwiches you like so much. I could listen to both all day but I could listen to Claptn for the rest of my life if you know what I mean. Yeah Clapton is God.

BadHorsie

04-16-2001, 08:21 PM

For anyone who thinks Vai has no "soul" behind his playing: have you ever listened to "Tender Surrender", "For The Love Of God", "The Boy From Seattle", or "Windows To The Soul"? Just wondering because I hear a lot of people say that Vai doesn't play with emotion. Come on now people. Just because Vai came out of the '80s doesn't mean he doesn't play with just as much, if not more, emotion than everyone's favorite blues players'. For an example of what I'm talking about just check out the "Martian Love Secrets" part of his website. http://www.vai.com/LittleBlackDots/mls.html . I really shouldn't have to post this but I'm sick of all the Clapton fanatics talking about "soul" like you can't have it if you don't play the blues. In fact, "soul" should be different for each person. One person playing soulfully could sound "bluesy" while another man's could be something totally off the wall (ie.- Bofatron) :). Just remember to keep your minds open people. After all, this is music we're talking about.

The Ferret

04-19-2001, 07:51 AM

I've never even heard ANYTHING by Yngwie Malmsteen.

Don't laugh. :( I feel bad enough as it is. ;)

Tornado

04-19-2001, 03:21 PM

VAI did it for me!!!!!!!! :D

Tornado

04-19-2001, 03:27 PM

ditto on badhorsie, vai has TONS of emotion. Tender surrender, touching tounges, sisters, for the love of god, the wall of light, mellisa's garden, call it sleep, hand on heart,call it sleep, boston rain melody, Christmas time is hear (althought he didn't write it but he played it with alot of emotion!!) I could go on for days.

[Edited by Tornado on 04-19-2001 at 05:58 PM]

jake sommers

04-19-2001, 04:20 PM

Yo that's kinda mean man.

Tornado

04-19-2001, 04:59 PM

sorry i just kinda got worked up with all the clapton fanatics.

Joseph

04-19-2001, 09:44 PM

A lot of people feel discouraged by Yngwies music, and with a defensive re-action they turn away in disbelief. But when I listen to his stuff, I feel inspired to try a little bit harder at the end of the week, (in finding my sweet spot.) What definitely inspires me is the fact that this guy has stayed true to his killer instincts all of these years despite what others deem acceptable. This guy should be an inspiration to many musicians around the world, showing its more important to make history with with your music instead of selling out record stores. That its important to get in touch with your inner feelings as to what inspires you to pick up the instrument every day. There are so many musicians who fold and cater to whats considered to be cool, but Yngwies pushing all of the buttons, and gets a kick out of it...

-Joseph

Starwood81

04-20-2001, 02:41 PM

Yngwie was good back in the day ...but I think Joe Stump now takes it to a new level than Yngwie...people say that Stump is a Ynwie clone but there some stuff Joe does on the "Rapid Fire Rondo" album that Yngwie can't do....unless he practices them for a while. I think Joe Stump takes it to the next level than Yngwie.

Fender Man

04-20-2001, 08:09 PM

Yngwie's most recent album "War to End all Wars." It is a different that his stuff, but it's pretty good. Have any of you heard it?

Starwood81

04-20-2001, 08:44 PM

Yes I have the song "crucify" is pretty good

Christoph

04-22-2001, 11:35 PM

Concert was post-poned!!! So much for seeing Yngwie . . .

BadHorsie

04-23-2001, 05:18 PM

If Yngwie could sell out, I'm sure he would. After all, the guy was in Alcatraz. If you guys don't think that 90% of the 80s' metal bands weren't complete sellouts (or just really uninventive) you've obviously gone crazy.

Joseph

04-23-2001, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by BadHorsie
If Yngwie could sell out, I'm sure he would. After all, the guy was in Alcatraz. If you guys don't think that 90% of the 80s' metal bands weren't complete sellouts (or just really uninventive) you've obviously gone crazy.

Well, its safe to ay that for every good musician, there are a million copy cats, but throughout the eighties there were really a lot of musicians who played with passion and orifginallity, despite the look that was emulated to no end. You know a lot of people spend too miuch time focusing on the look that was so very common in he eighties, that they refuse to ackowledge the fct that a lot of those musicians really did play their hearts out, slaving over their guitar solos until they rewached satisfaction. I cant remember the last time I heard a good guitar solo, at least one that required more than thre or four notes. I'm not saying that its the complexity that makes a song good, but its all about effort, and some people have got it nd others don't.

You know a lot of the times we look at a musician from a distance and we assume that they would just do anything for a buck, and I'll admit that there were a lot of bands throughout the eighties who were beginning to forget about what was important, because everything was becoming one big competition. But its really hard for anyone to assess the intentions of others, unless you're in their shoes. Ive been following Yngwies career for a long time, and I respect his work ethic, once he found the type of music that he was comfortable with he did everything he could to let his potential shine. As musicians, we are all given the chance to conform to whatever is deemed acceptable at the moment, and for a lot of us our integrity can be bought for a price, but when you really love the type of music that you're making, once you create your own rules, its really hard to breake them...

-Joseph

howie50

04-25-2001, 05:02 PM

I don't know what Bofatron means by run to the woodshed (I'm British) but I get his drift (I think), Ynwie's records just make me want to run anywhere out of range of the CD player they're on. He should be made to stay in Sweden, maybe that's why the Swedish suicide rate is amongst the highest in the world. Too many notes Yngwie!!!!

Willdridge

04-26-2001, 01:31 AM

Ummm...."Run to the woodshed" is actually more of a British saying than anywhere else really...It means get off to work. In a guitarists' case in means sitting down with your guitar and practising like crazy...Not get as far away as possible...

donnie_k

04-26-2001, 07:26 PM

Answer to question, no. But I am impressed with his skill and technique. I don't aspire to be like anyone in particular, but to be proficient in my own style and to try new things.

gnugod

04-28-2001, 04:42 PM

nope again but he is a true master of his style,the guy who really melted my brain an sent me running was joe satriani. but really to play an develope my own style an reflect my influences in my play style.

gary

MarlonB

05-01-2001, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by Bofatron
Yes or no, did Yngwie Malmsteen's guitar playing/records/ whatever inspire you to run back to the woodshed?

No!! Why should it? That's his style of playing and it ain't my type. So I don't really get discouraged by his skill. I prefer EVH, SRV, and Steve Vai.

Steal Duck

05-09-2001, 05:56 AM

I would like to have Yngwies tecknique cause if I had, I would sound much better than he does!

gnugod

05-09-2001, 04:09 PM

so much for your own technical mastery just jump right on throught to ego

fingers

05-14-2001, 12:56 PM

I been playing longer than he's been alive. No I didn't runn for the woodshed. There's always gonna be better players, differnt styles, and its not really gonna matter one way or another. You just gotta do what you want. If I worried about all the players better than me, I'd never lay down another lick. Making music shouldn't ever be some sort of comptetition. Do your thing and be content.

Bardsley

05-14-2001, 08:16 PM

I know what you mean though Steal Duck. Don't you hate it when you see someone with amazing technical skill, who has no creativity whatsoever? There have been a couple of times I have seen someone and thought "If only I was that skilled, I would put much greater use to it", it's pretty silly I guess, and I don't feel like that aobut Ywngie, but I still think it sometimes.

Joseph

05-15-2001, 07:46 PM

Youshouldn;t take anything away from Yngwie, hes an amazing musician who relys on his instincts and the love for music. There aren't many musicians today who can wholeheartedly claim that the overall sounds is their primary motivation, surpassing financial benfits.:eek: Everytime I listen a Yngwie Malmsteen (compositional rock song,) the sounds take me back to certain moments in my lifetime, and (whenever you successfully complete a Yngwie song on guitar, the overall feeling is amazing, (where you feel you can almost do anything..)

-Joseph

raymond james

05-18-2001, 10:42 AM

When I first heard Yngwie play back in the early 80's I was awstruck. I had never heard anything like it. His speed was really border line neck breaking. I spend a lot of time learning how to do that setting the frets to fire, then spent even more time undoing it. You see when I first got into Yngwie I already played pretty well, I was one of the two top guitar players in school. I had a cool bluesy thing going on, at least until I tried to be someone I wasn't. I played with the speed when I needed it until I started to cope Yngwie then couldn't slow down, everthing I did was done at these crazy speeds, it got boring real fast. I spent the next year undoing the shredder in me to get back the magic I had, and still to this day when I get nerveous I have to be careful because I tend to play faster. So heed the warning on the wood shed door "Be careful what you carry in it may follow you out."

BluesShredder

05-22-2001, 04:33 PM

One Malmsteen is already enough, but his instrumentals are great,have you heard his the Concerto Suite for electric guitar? not many guitarists can compose music like that
if he would only composed just instrumentals...

Blues Shredder

johnny5

05-23-2001, 12:38 AM

damn there are alot of posts just about this won bad ass guy haha!

johnny5

05-23-2001, 12:41 AM

he's music is f**king awesome and **** but he is one of my so called idols or whatever it would'nt really hurt you know just to play some of he's songs but he's a great guitar player :)

PlayLikeDavid

05-23-2001, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by BadHorsie
Whoops! Almost forgot about the original question at hand. No, I don't really like Yngwie all that much. Personally I'd much rather listen to a violin if he's going to use the guitar like one.

[Edited by BadHorsie on 03-30-2001 at 11:33 PM]

I was just wondering where you got your user name BadHorsie. Is it that you especially like the Bad Horsie wah pedal or are you actually Steve Vai? :confused:

I have listened to Yngwie over the years and have admired his technique and unique style. However, like you, I do not aspire to be like him or any other guitarist. I aspire to be like myself. That keeps me real.;)

space ace

05-24-2001, 07:03 PM

Yes Yngwie is an amazing guitarist between him and Satch those are probably the two most incredible technical guitarists. But there is not enough soul behind their playing, Clapton or Beck now there's two real guitarists.

BadHorsie

05-24-2001, 10:26 PM

Enough with this "only blues players play with soul" stuff. And to answer PlayLikeDavid's question: actually, I just like the song.

Kirk Hammett is God

05-24-2001, 10:39 PM

I hate to say it, but I hadn't heard of this guy until a couple months ago. I don't even see how that is possible, he is an amazing guitarist.

I had decided right when I started playing guitar that I wanted to do fast and heavy pieces. Then I heard Yngwie, and it really inspired me and gave me more respect for classical music. Now my goal is to create excellent musical pieces that have more than just speed and heavy distortion.

Zeppelin

05-25-2001, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by BadHorsie
Enough with this "only blues players play with soul" stuff.

i must disagree with you on this one.. altough i think steve vai is a great player, his only song i've ever heard that had really good feeling is for the love of god, and in other songs altough he's doinf great things it really doesnt played with soul like a blues solo... i mean really fast players can't play with the true blues feel, because they mostly just run up and down on a freat board, while blues people like jimmy page are not so speedy, and sometimes even sloppy but they doing all the bends and vibratos stuff, that i dont hear in vai, malmsteen and other fast players music.. for example i once heard a concert of malmsteen, from leningrad and he was doing a blues solo on one of the tracks, and it was speedy and cool, but it was soul-less, he was just putting hundreds of notes in a short solo, and then none of the notes has any meaning,and its not blues anymore....

i know that all i wrote is probably long and meaningless, but it's a fact - non blues based players, and especialy shredders dont play with soul

BadHorsie

05-25-2001, 10:53 AM

So let me get this right Zeppelin: Playing the blues consists of bends and vibrato? Playing with soul means bending and using vibrato? So in order to play with soul, you have to play the blues? Now, to me, that seems a little one sided. Just because you bend a note means that your playing with soul? If you think that the only "soulful" song of Vai's is "For The Love Of God" you haven't listened to much. One of the reasons why I listen to Vai is because of his soulfulness. I've seen the guy play before and if he doesn't really play with soul than he deserves an Oscar for his performance. One more time, just to make it perfectly clear: In order to play with soul, you have to bend notes?!?!

Zeppelin

05-25-2001, 11:48 AM

no, being soulful doesnt mean only using bends and vibratos, but it's part of it... speedy players dont use those much, and that's why you can hear only meaningless notes all the time... it reminds me of the piano, actually, where you can't do all the stuff you can do with a guitar.. it's hard to me to explain myself but in guitar playig there's a term called feel, which is something that certain people have and others dont.. i can't tell you exactly what it is, but part of it is how you playing.. and i think that when you mostly concentrate on speed you loose big part of it, for example in the stairway solo, there is a part made of thriads or whatever it called, it's played on the 15,13 frest on the B string and the 14 fret on the G string, and when page plays it he's doing it with a bend of the 15 fret, and this is a part with a great feel, but if someone like vai would be doing that solo, probably the bend was left out, and instead we would get a faster playing, but the triad was loosing its meaning...

it's really hard to explain exactly what i mean by bends, and vibratos, but i trully believe that blues based guitar is the only soulfull guitar playing.. yet it's only my opinion

Willdridge

05-25-2001, 12:26 PM

I agree with Zep's point that shredders don't come over soulful (they may play with it, but it's difficult to get it when there's three-hundread notes in a solo, huh?) but I've don't think blues players are the only soulful players. There're are a lot of rockers who's solo epp with as much meaningful notes as King, Clapton, Page. Brian May instantly comes to mind, Satriani has his moments, although often few and far between. Then of course you've got people like Knofler, Johnson. And what about all those jazz guitarists, country, folk. I've heard many solo guitar pieces that've moved me.
Blues players are not the sole (no pun intend) owners of soulful player. Sure, it's mostly their domain, but it's not owned by them.
Anyone agree?....

Zeppelin

05-25-2001, 12:55 PM

yeah i agree with you, especialy when talking about brian may, who can't be called soul-less for sure. but it's their domain as you said, and when comparing to shredders they are surley the owners of the soul playing

LuigiCabrini

05-25-2001, 05:12 PM

Urgh I have to agree with badhorsie on this one. Speed is irrelevent. I personally am not crazy about Vai's music, (sometimes i like it, but often not) but it's not just because it's fast. I think that Vai is often overindulgent, and disregards this listener, but I do give him credit for being an impressive musician (he transcribed zappa tunes!)
To say that speedy players can't play with soul, well first of all your discounting pretty much all classical players. I doubt that you have much knowledge of the genre, so it's not fair to dismiss them automatically. And yes, it's possible to play with feeling even if you're not improvising.
I like blues players, but I would never limit myself to listening only to blues. I listen to a lot of jazz players (Barney Kessel is my fave this week, check him out you'll be pleased,) and the best ones have all the feel of the great blues players, they just use it differently. As for shred players playing with feeling, it depends on how you define shred. If shred means music that is about the technique, not the music, then i think they can't play with feeling, but that's a stupid definition isn't it?
Guys like Satriani are often called shred, but he plays blues wonderfully, if you've ever heard his self titled album you know. He doesn't sound like Buddy Guy; he does his own thing, but it's still blues and its still soulfull. One could say that John Mclauhglin shreds, and his music is some of the most interesting, experimental stuff ever made.
To say that soulfull playing is limited to 12 bar I IV V progressions, that once you break a certain speed barrier that you're not playing with feeling anymore, it's ludicrous and missing the point of music just as much as guys who like music just because it's difficult and fast.

Zeppelin

05-25-2001, 05:54 PM

i think that every man should stand for himself, for example rithcie blackmore was one of the fastes players in the 70's but some of his songs, are played with feel that not too much people can play with, and i think that for another example yngwie malmsteen, who is known as a man that is heavy influenced by blackmore, didnt take the part of the feel from blackmore and put higher speed, and amount of notes instead

Willdridge

05-26-2001, 04:19 AM

Compared to shredders, I think most people could be said to have soul though. I think the reason shredders don't get any soul across is because it's difficult to give each note it's own "character" when the next one's coming so fast. You can't use vibrato or bend on every single note because it'll slow you down so much, which isn't what you want is it.
I think the thing that's caught Yngwie is now he doesn't know how to do anything else. I'll admit I've not heard any of his new stuff, so maybe I'm wrong and he's slowing down in his old age, but I doubt it. I think when you devote your life to shreddering, or at least you become rich and famous for shredder, it's hard to change and go for the more soulful approach. I know people've done it, but I don't think it was easy for them.
I'm beginning to think though most people aren't really all the inspired to play like Yngwie...

Zeppelin

05-26-2001, 04:56 AM

I've heard many times people saying: "anyone can play fast, but only the best can play slow" now in some cases it's not true because i'm sure not anyone can play really really fast, but i think it's really much harder to build a slow solo, with a small amounts of notes, than to build just a up and down solo, that will have 1000 notes, but all of them will be meaningless

Willdridge

05-26-2001, 08:05 AM

Believe it or not, it is harder to play slow and stay in time. I know it sounds crazy but the reason is most people a tempted to hit the next note just that little bit too soon. I think anyone with enough practise could play resonable fast and clean, and accurately, but ask that same person to play a solo involving about twenty notes and which relays on pauses, accents, etc. I think they may struggle for a while. It may sound a little crazy, but it's true.